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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 23, 2013 3:06:55 GMT 1, This is a little more interesting than most other Banksy pieces that were scooped up off the street. I don't think anyone would argue that if he paints something on a wall, the building owner owns it. But this time he left a sculpture that he built with his own materials on someone's property. Legally, the property owner had no right to sell it. If someone parks their car in your driveway without their permission, you can't just claim ownership and sell it. On the other hand, Banksy would have to reveal his identity to claim ownership. So this guy got away grand larceny.
This is a little more interesting than most other Banksy pieces that were scooped up off the street. I don't think anyone would argue that if he paints something on a wall, the building owner owns it. But this time he left a sculpture that he built with his own materials on someone's property. Legally, the property owner had no right to sell it. If someone parks their car in your driveway without their permission, you can't just claim ownership and sell it. On the other hand, Banksy would have to reveal his identity to claim ownership. So this guy got away grand larceny.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 3:20:20 GMT 1, Well I for one really like this piece and was blown away when I first saw it. Has Banksy ever done anything quite like this before? I like that Sphinxes were generally put in front of important places to guard them.Loving this placement. Can't help but take it as a statement on Egypt's political situation too and the 'everything but the kitchen sphinx' and 'no turn unstoned' titles say to me that Egypt is fucked if they do and fucked if they don't.Not a healthy spring in this country yet. Insha'Allah they'll get it right. The titles could also be about all the different mediums Banksy has used for the show. Gotta mention D*Face too though.Can't help it.
Well I for one really like this piece and was blown away when I first saw it. Has Banksy ever done anything quite like this before? I like that Sphinxes were generally put in front of important places to guard them.Loving this placement. Can't help but take it as a statement on Egypt's political situation too and the 'everything but the kitchen sphinx' and 'no turn unstoned' titles say to me that Egypt is fucked if they do and fucked if they don't.Not a healthy spring in this country yet. Insha'Allah they'll get it right. The titles could also be about all the different mediums Banksy has used for the show. Gotta mention D*Face too though.Can't help it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 3:39:38 GMT 1, And when POW does its line-up-the-night-before-for-the-new-Banksy release in the US of A, these folks (and the local residents charging $20 for the beaver photo opp, etc.,) will be to thank for the Queue Jumper Grey type extra print run.
And when POW does its line-up-the-night-before-for-the-new-Banksy release in the US of A, these folks (and the local residents charging $20 for the beaver photo opp, etc.,) will be to thank for the Queue Jumper Grey type extra print run.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by aldoxzx on Oct 23, 2013 4:10:57 GMT 1, This is a little more interesting than most other Banksy pieces that were scooped up off the street. I don't think anyone would argue that if he paints something on a wall, the building owner owns it. But this time he left a sculpture that he built with his own materials on someone's property. Legally, the property owner had no right to sell it. If someone parks their car in your driveway without their permission, you can't just claim ownership and sell it. On the other hand, Banksy would have to reveal his identity to claim ownership. So this guy got away grand larceny. This was on public property, so it was free for the taking to whoever wanted/had the balls.
This is a little more interesting than most other Banksy pieces that were scooped up off the street. I don't think anyone would argue that if he paints something on a wall, the building owner owns it. But this time he left a sculpture that he built with his own materials on someone's property. Legally, the property owner had no right to sell it. If someone parks their car in your driveway without their permission, you can't just claim ownership and sell it. On the other hand, Banksy would have to reveal his identity to claim ownership. So this guy got away grand larceny. This was on public property, so it was free for the taking to whoever wanted/had the balls.
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randomname
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 23, 2013 4:41:35 GMT 1, This is a little more interesting than most other Banksy pieces that were scooped up off the street. I don't think anyone would argue that if he paints something on a wall, the building owner owns it. But this time he left a sculpture that he built with his own materials on someone's property. Legally, the property owner had no right to sell it. If someone parks their car in your driveway without their permission, you can't just claim ownership and sell it. On the other hand, Banksy would have to reveal his identity to claim ownership. So this guy got away grand larceny. This was on public property, so it was free for the taking to whoever wanted/had the balls.
Putting it on public property doesn't make it any more up for grabs. I park my car on a public street every day. That doesn't mean it's free for anyone else to take and sell. It's probably no different than in you found a wallet full of cash with no ID. Legally, you're supposed to give it to the police. If no one claims it within a certain timeframe, it becomes abandoned property and you can claim it.
This is a little more interesting than most other Banksy pieces that were scooped up off the street. I don't think anyone would argue that if he paints something on a wall, the building owner owns it. But this time he left a sculpture that he built with his own materials on someone's property. Legally, the property owner had no right to sell it. If someone parks their car in your driveway without their permission, you can't just claim ownership and sell it. On the other hand, Banksy would have to reveal his identity to claim ownership. So this guy got away grand larceny. This was on public property, so it was free for the taking to whoever wanted/had the balls. Putting it on public property doesn't make it any more up for grabs. I park my car on a public street every day. That doesn't mean it's free for anyone else to take and sell. It's probably no different than in you found a wallet full of cash with no ID. Legally, you're supposed to give it to the police. If no one claims it within a certain timeframe, it becomes abandoned property and you can claim it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Stinky Pete on Oct 23, 2013 4:45:40 GMT 1, apologies in advance
now the sexual urge of the camel is greater than anyone thinks at the height of the mating season it decided to roger the sphinx now the sexual parts of this lady are sunk neath the sands of the Nile hence the hump on the back of the camel and the sphinx's inscrutable smile
thanks for that, public school education, (sorry it just popped up from when i last heard it in 1982)
apologies in advance
now the sexual urge of the camel is greater than anyone thinks at the height of the mating season it decided to roger the sphinx now the sexual parts of this lady are sunk neath the sands of the Nile hence the hump on the back of the camel and the sphinx's inscrutable smile
thanks for that, public school education, (sorry it just popped up from when i last heard it in 1982)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 23, 2013 4:45:46 GMT 1, This was on public property, so it was free for the taking to whoever wanted/had the balls. Putting it on public property doesn't make it any more up for grabs. I park my car on a public street every day. That doesn't mean it's free for anyone else to take and sell. It's probably no different than in you found a wallet full of cash with no ID. Legally, you're supposed to give it to the police. If no one claims it within a certain timeframe, it becomes abandoned property and you can claim it. not trying to get into a debate but i'm curious as to how any of us knows that the statue was or wasn't on public property.
This was on public property, so it was free for the taking to whoever wanted/had the balls. Putting it on public property doesn't make it any more up for grabs. I park my car on a public street every day. That doesn't mean it's free for anyone else to take and sell. It's probably no different than in you found a wallet full of cash with no ID. Legally, you're supposed to give it to the police. If no one claims it within a certain timeframe, it becomes abandoned property and you can claim it. not trying to get into a debate but i'm curious as to how any of us knows that the statue was or wasn't on public property.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 23, 2013 4:52:51 GMT 1, Putting it on public property doesn't make it any more up for grabs. I park my car on a public street every day. That doesn't mean it's free for anyone else to take and sell. It's probably no different than in you found a wallet full of cash with no ID. Legally, you're supposed to give it to the police. If no one claims it within a certain timeframe, it becomes abandoned property and you can claim it. not trying to get into a debate but i'm curious as to how any of us knows that the statue was or wasn't on public property. I don't know if it was on public or private property. Everything I've seen would seem to indicate it was on private property. Either way, I don't think someone can legally take and sell it. But unless Banksy claims it, whoever took it won't be charged with anything.
Putting it on public property doesn't make it any more up for grabs. I park my car on a public street every day. That doesn't mean it's free for anyone else to take and sell. It's probably no different than in you found a wallet full of cash with no ID. Legally, you're supposed to give it to the police. If no one claims it within a certain timeframe, it becomes abandoned property and you can claim it. not trying to get into a debate but i'm curious as to how any of us knows that the statue was or wasn't on public property. I don't know if it was on public or private property. Everything I've seen would seem to indicate it was on private property. Either way, I don't think someone can legally take and sell it. But unless Banksy claims it, whoever took it won't be charged with anything.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by heathunter881 on Oct 23, 2013 4:53:42 GMT 1, public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not.
public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 23, 2013 5:01:06 GMT 1, public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not.
I trust you but, what if it were private property and the owner of that property is the one who decided to remove it from said property?
Again, not trying to debate nor argue; only point out the rampant a) lack of information and b) misinformation floating around.
public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. I trust you but, what if it were private property and the owner of that property is the one who decided to remove it from said property? Again, not trying to debate nor argue; only point out the rampant a) lack of information and b) misinformation floating around.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by heathunter881 on Oct 23, 2013 5:11:51 GMT 1, public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. I trust you but, what if it were private property and the owner of that property is the one who decided to remove it from said property? Again, not trying to debate nor argue; only point out the rampant a) lack of information and b) misinformation floating around. the property owner has the right to remove/claim anything from their property. it's the same concept as blocking someone's driveway. the property owner can tow your car anytime of the day.
public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. I trust you but, what if it were private property and the owner of that property is the one who decided to remove it from said property? Again, not trying to debate nor argue; only point out the rampant a) lack of information and b) misinformation floating around. the property owner has the right to remove/claim anything from their property. it's the same concept as blocking someone's driveway. the property owner can tow your car anytime of the day.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 23, 2013 5:19:58 GMT 1, public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. That's not the case. If the owner can be identified, you're required to turn the property over to the police.
Every state has laws requiring the return of money or property if the owner is recognizable. This means that if you found money in a wallet you must return it; otherwise it is theft. The same goes for a bank bag that might have fallen off an armored truck. If you can locate the owner, you must return the money to its rightful owner or to the police. If you choose to keep found money when you know who the rightful owner is, it would be considered theft.
www.ehow.com/way_5750828_do-found-money-street_.html#ixzz2iVnGNZNQ
public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. That's not the case. If the owner can be identified, you're required to turn the property over to the police. Every state has laws requiring the return of money or property if the owner is recognizable. This means that if you found money in a wallet you must return it; otherwise it is theft. The same goes for a bank bag that might have fallen off an armored truck. If you can locate the owner, you must return the money to its rightful owner or to the police. If you choose to keep found money when you know who the rightful owner is, it would be considered theft.www.ehow.com/way_5750828_do-found-money-street_.html#ixzz2iVnGNZNQ
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 23, 2013 5:23:19 GMT 1, See it's a lot of conjecture and what's being argued over is so vaguely defined and unconfirmed that this is sorta a moot conversation "innit"*
*british accent invasion
See it's a lot of conjecture and what's being argued over is so vaguely defined and unconfirmed that this is sorta a moot conversation "innit"*
*british accent invasion
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by heathunter881 on Oct 23, 2013 5:24:46 GMT 1, public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. That's not the case. If the owner can be identified, you're required to turn the property over to the police. Every state has laws requiring the return of money or property if the owner is recognizable. This means that if you found money in a wallet you must return it; otherwise it is theft. The same goes for a bank bag that might have fallen off an armored truck. If you can locate the owner, you must return the money to its rightful owner or to the police. If you choose to keep found money when you know who the rightful owner is, it would be considered theft.www.ehow.com/way_5750828_do-found-money-street_.html#ixzz2iVnGNZNQ IF the owner can be identified. Clearly this isn't the case with Banky pieces.
public property is public property. if someone finds a wallet on the street it's up to the person that found it to either report it to the cops or do whatever they please. if the sculpture wasn't on public property trust me someone would have bum rushed the people loading the damn thing. the streets don't give a flying f what's legal or not. That's not the case. If the owner can be identified, you're required to turn the property over to the police. Every state has laws requiring the return of money or property if the owner is recognizable. This means that if you found money in a wallet you must return it; otherwise it is theft. The same goes for a bank bag that might have fallen off an armored truck. If you can locate the owner, you must return the money to its rightful owner or to the police. If you choose to keep found money when you know who the rightful owner is, it would be considered theft.www.ehow.com/way_5750828_do-found-money-street_.html#ixzz2iVnGNZNQIF the owner can be identified. Clearly this isn't the case with Banky pieces.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by mac on Oct 23, 2013 5:31:10 GMT 1, They're not even selling the main piece. They're just selling a couple of rocks from the bottom....crazy. Loving the description the seller gives...
"Original piece of Banksy art sculpture. I did not remove this from the sculpture it fell off it was lying in front of it there are no other rocks around here that look like this. Actually it isn't a rock it's a chunk of smashed up concrete. About 4" x 3.5" x 1.5". It is definitely part of the installation piece. Check pics, I have proof"
I think Banksy must have been outside my flat because there is a load of smashed up concrete lying around and no other rocks around here look similar. Will sell bigger pieces for half the price of ebay concrete seller man if anyone is interested...
They're not even selling the main piece. They're just selling a couple of rocks from the bottom....crazy. Loving the description the seller gives... "Original piece of Banksy art sculpture. I did not remove this from the sculpture it fell off it was lying in front of it there are no other rocks around here that look like this. Actually it isn't a rock it's a chunk of smashed up concrete. About 4" x 3.5" x 1.5". It is definitely part of the installation piece. Check pics, I have proof" I think Banksy must have been outside my flat because there is a load of smashed up concrete lying around and no other rocks around here look similar. Will sell bigger pieces for half the price of ebay concrete seller man if anyone is interested...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by heathunter881 on Oct 23, 2013 5:39:04 GMT 1, wish someone buys that and gets owned. i have no sympathy for morons with deep pockets.
wish someone buys that and gets owned. i have no sympathy for morons with deep pockets.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by jam on Oct 23, 2013 5:41:11 GMT 1, Back now to something more positive as I eagerly await the return of the rats. A beaver will no longer suffice this late in the campaign, a rat or two please. Beavers are fat rodents... probably the closest thing we'll see to rats (aside from the CP Spray Art sale).
Back now to something more positive as I eagerly await the return of the rats. A beaver will no longer suffice this late in the campaign, a rat or two please. Beavers are fat rodents... probably the closest thing we'll see to rats (aside from the CP Spray Art sale).
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 23, 2013 5:48:36 GMT 1, That's not the case. If the owner can be identified, you're required to turn the property over to the police. Every state has laws requiring the return of money or property if the owner is recognizable. This means that if you found money in a wallet you must return it; otherwise it is theft. The same goes for a bank bag that might have fallen off an armored truck. If you can locate the owner, you must return the money to its rightful owner or to the police. If you choose to keep found money when you know who the rightful owner is, it would be considered theft.www.ehow.com/way_5750828_do-found-money-street_.html#ixzz2iVnGNZNQIF the owner can be identified. Clearly this isn't the case with Banky pieces. The owner can be identified. Refer to my original post where I said Bansky would have to reveal himself to claim ownership of the piece. Regardless, the law require you turn over found property to the police if that possibility exists. Which is the case here.
That's not the case. If the owner can be identified, you're required to turn the property over to the police. Every state has laws requiring the return of money or property if the owner is recognizable. This means that if you found money in a wallet you must return it; otherwise it is theft. The same goes for a bank bag that might have fallen off an armored truck. If you can locate the owner, you must return the money to its rightful owner or to the police. If you choose to keep found money when you know who the rightful owner is, it would be considered theft.www.ehow.com/way_5750828_do-found-money-street_.html#ixzz2iVnGNZNQIF the owner can be identified. Clearly this isn't the case with Banky pieces. The owner can be identified. Refer to my original post where I said Bansky would have to reveal himself to claim ownership of the piece. Regardless, the law require you turn over found property to the police if that possibility exists. Which is the case here.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 23, 2013 5:50:18 GMT 1, .
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by doniturb on Oct 23, 2013 5:55:58 GMT 1, I trust you but, what if it were private property and the owner of that property is the one who decided to remove it from said property? Again, not trying to debate nor argue; only point out the rampant a) lack of information and b) misinformation floating around. the property owner has the right to remove/claim anything from their property. it's the same concept as blocking someone's driveway. the property owner can tow your car anytime of the day. I am a lawyer and reading this it is pretty clear that you are making this up as you go along. Nothing you have stated is accurate law.
I trust you but, what if it were private property and the owner of that property is the one who decided to remove it from said property? Again, not trying to debate nor argue; only point out the rampant a) lack of information and b) misinformation floating around. the property owner has the right to remove/claim anything from their property. it's the same concept as blocking someone's driveway. the property owner can tow your car anytime of the day. I am a lawyer and reading this it is pretty clear that you are making this up as you go along. Nothing you have stated is accurate law.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 23, 2013 6:30:23 GMT 1, Donuturb is quite right...I am not a lawyer but what most people forget is that the law is not simple and it is not black or white. There are a huge amount of connotations before it is decided who had and does have rights to ownership of the piece. Eg Banksy could have a claim, the woman who bought it could have a claim, there is the guy who sold it did he have the right to sell it, if on public ground the council/local govt could have a claim, if on private property - the guy who sold it did he own the land or rent it eg does the land owner have a claim......but none of it matters unless someone makes a claim then the law will decide.
And that is how Doniturb affords his art collection
Donuturb is quite right...I am not a lawyer but what most people forget is that the law is not simple and it is not black or white. There are a huge amount of connotations before it is decided who had and does have rights to ownership of the piece. Eg Banksy could have a claim, the woman who bought it could have a claim, there is the guy who sold it did he have the right to sell it, if on public ground the council/local govt could have a claim, if on private property - the guy who sold it did he own the land or rent it eg does the land owner have a claim......but none of it matters unless someone makes a claim then the law will decide.
And that is how Doniturb affords his art collection
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by iamzero on Oct 23, 2013 6:55:08 GMT 1, I thought it's know as theft by finding here in the UK? I guess someone has to claim to item for that to be enforced... Likely to happen?
I thought it's know as theft by finding here in the UK? I guess someone has to claim to item for that to be enforced... Likely to happen?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 23, 2013 7:05:34 GMT 1, I thought it's know as theft by finding here in the UK? I guess someone has to claim to item for that to be enforced... Likely to happen? Yes it's a bit like the NYPD graffiti thing unless a building owner complains they do not cacare ain't see anything happening here. When all this hulla balloo dies down it will be worth f'all. No one will want it but will be touted around for $150k I reckon may be more but there will be no takers.
the unclear ownership and possible claims is also one of the reasons why the main auction houses will not touch these type of pieces
I thought it's know as theft by finding here in the UK? I guess someone has to claim to item for that to be enforced... Likely to happen? Yes it's a bit like the NYPD graffiti thing unless a building owner complains they do not cacare ain't see anything happening here. When all this hulla balloo dies down it will be worth f'all. No one will want it but will be touted around for $150k I reckon may be more but there will be no takers. the unclear ownership and possible claims is also one of the reasons why the main auction houses will not touch these type of pieces
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 8:03:05 GMT 1, Guys guys guys... who cares? Banksy cleaned out his trash from his last remodel, The piece is gone, Some chick payed big bucks for a pile of bricks and nobody got hurt. Let's go! Can't wait to see what Banksy has in store for us today!
Guys guys guys... who cares? Banksy cleaned out his trash from his last remodel, The piece is gone, Some chick payed big bucks for a pile of bricks and nobody got hurt. Let's go! Can't wait to see what Banksy has in store for us today!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 23, 2013 8:07:11 GMT 1, Those are not fans who took today's Banksy. The guy who took it had no idea who Banksy was. I blame the fans who are the first on site telling everyone and their mom how much the works are worth. It also could have been some random opportunist fan that also just realized this is a piece he could take and hired some guys in the area real fast. I still blame most of this on the Mob of Fans who flock to these pieces daily and educate the people on the dollar aspect of the work instead of the art aspect of it.
Another stupid post from you. Nothing to do with the media hyping this show? If people had been on the forum they would know these street peices are almost unsellable. No auction house will touch them.
Those are not fans who took today's Banksy. The guy who took it had no idea who Banksy was. I blame the fans who are the first on site telling everyone and their mom how much the works are worth. It also could have been some random opportunist fan that also just realized this is a piece he could take and hired some guys in the area real fast. I still blame most of this on the Mob of Fans who flock to these pieces daily and educate the people on the dollar aspect of the work instead of the art aspect of it. Another stupid post from you. Nothing to do with the media hyping this show? If people had been on the forum they would know these street peices are almost unsellable. No auction house will touch them.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 23, 2013 8:09:23 GMT 1, So you blame the very people in which the show is intended for?...the fans? Surely without the fans this show means nothing?...it would have gone unnoticed, no one would have cared. You can't blame the fans for being excited, it's you, the media who spin the value side of the story, the news whips up the frenzy and an unscrupulous few see the pound signs appear in the air. ย You sound more and more bitter with every post. Haha bitter I could care less if this Banksy was defaced or taken or lived on untouched. I am just jumping in a conversation where people are trying to blame the people taking this sculpture. I think the Mob of Fans are the reason for this, its an opinion I have not stake in this so I have zero reason to be bitter. I have nothing against people treking to see the pieces I am sure there are plenty that really appreciate the work, Yet if they where smart they might be more tight lipped about the value of the artwork if they want it to stay insitu.
If they have a TV they know the value. Do you really think they come to this site for information?
So you blame the very people in which the show is intended for?...the fans? Surely without the fans this show means nothing?...it would have gone unnoticed, no one would have cared. You can't blame the fans for being excited, it's you, the media who spin the value side of the story, the news whips up the frenzy and an unscrupulous few see the pound signs appear in the air. ย You sound more and more bitter with every post. Haha bitter I could care less if this Banksy was defaced or taken or lived on untouched. I am just jumping in a conversation where people are trying to blame the people taking this sculpture. I think the Mob of Fans are the reason for this, its an opinion I have not stake in this so I have zero reason to be bitter. I have nothing against people treking to see the pieces I am sure there are plenty that really appreciate the work, Yet if they where smart they might be more tight lipped about the value of the artwork if they want it to stay insitu. If they have a TV they know the value. Do you really think they come to this site for information?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 23, 2013 8:18:00 GMT 1, Haha bitter I could care less if this Banksy was defaced or taken or lived on untouched. I am just jumping in a conversation where people are trying to blame the people taking this sculpture. I think the Mob of Fans are the reason for this, its an opinion I have not stake in this so I have zero reason to be bitter. I have nothing against people treking to see the pieces I am sure there are plenty that really appreciate the work, Yet if they where smart they might be more tight lipped about the value of the artwork if they want it to stay insitu. If they have a TV they know the value. Do you really think they come to this site for information? What are you talking about coming to this site, not sure what you are referring to. Yet you seem to be following my posts lately and keep trying to take shots at me. All good here, Anything Else? If you want to engage in some sort of debate lets begin, PM works for me or you can derail this thread if you like.
Haha bitter I could care less if this Banksy was defaced or taken or lived on untouched. I am just jumping in a conversation where people are trying to blame the people taking this sculpture. I think the Mob of Fans are the reason for this, its an opinion I have not stake in this so I have zero reason to be bitter. I have nothing against people treking to see the pieces I am sure there are plenty that really appreciate the work, Yet if they where smart they might be more tight lipped about the value of the artwork if they want it to stay insitu. If they have a TV they know the value. Do you really think they come to this site for information? What are you talking about coming to this site, not sure what you are referring to. Yet you seem to be following my posts lately and keep trying to take shots at me. All good here, Anything Else? If you want to engage in some sort of debate lets begin, PM works for me or you can derail this thread if you like.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by antigrav on Oct 23, 2013 8:21:38 GMT 1, I'm becoming more aware of how quickly the relevance of time passes during this residencey.
We hunger for a new piece to be revealed each morning and once it manifests itself, the interludes between each twinstabook picture/post reflect a millennium. When actually only minutes have passed.
Remember that snarky comment on font choices and New York accents? The box truck delivering a nightly diorama of calm? The tattered balloon holding steady on a Brooklyn wall? The enterprising young men who rose up to curate a depiction of an urban beaver? Concrete confessionals, stealthy-authentic originals, banzai treed Geisha spanners and Brazilian collaborations. Kids banging on Siamese connections and industrial Sphinxes. And that was all just within the past 2 weeks-es.
I, for one, love this experience.
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I'm becoming more aware of how quickly the relevance of time passes during this residencey.
We hunger for a new piece to be revealed each morning and once it manifests itself, the interludes between each twinstabook picture/post reflect a millennium. When actually only minutes have passed.
Remember that snarky comment on font choices and New York accents? The box truck delivering a nightly diorama of calm? The tattered balloon holding steady on a Brooklyn wall? The enterprising young men who rose up to curate a depiction of an urban beaver? Concrete confessionals, stealthy-authentic originals, banzai treed Geisha spanners and Brazilian collaborations. Kids banging on Siamese connections and industrial Sphinxes. And that was all just within the past 2 weeks-es.
I, for one, love this experience.
1-800-656-4271 #9
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 23, 2013 8:30:34 GMT 1, I blame the fans who are the first on site telling everyone and their mom how much the works are worth. It also could have been some random opportunist fan that also just realized this is a piece he could take and hired some guys in the area real fast. I still blame most of this on the Mob of Fans who flock to these pieces daily and educate the people on the dollar aspect of the work instead of the art aspect of it. Another stupid post from you. Nothing to do with the media hyping this show? If people had been on the forum they would know these street peices are almost unsellable. No auction house will touch them. Im ok with the name calling, you can call me or my posts whatever you feel is right. You have to do what you have to do to get your point across I guess. Ill write my response as I can form a sentence to respond. Media is hyping the show you are correct, I dont see media flocking in full force like they did the first few days. The first contact is usually the fans, thus my humble opinion which in this case turned out to be wrong. Im ok with being wrong, when you are making guesses and opinions from another location your bound to be wrong once in awhile. I stand behind my belief that some fans are unintentionally effecting the preservation of the works, yet it could be also that everyone is reading the papers and watching TV. I have read thoroughly and followed the owners comments from the beginning not many knew who the artist was till told from the fans, not the media. In this case a Banksy hunter was already out looking to make a deal with the someone, an owner, someone with the balls to take the work and they got what they wanted. I cant blame this one on anyone or anything besides greed.
As far as the auction house you are correct at this point but that could change and these new pieces could be something that could change that due to the fact the provenance is and has already been confirmed. Hypothetically an auction house could take a chance on selling these without a COA, or they could end up like most deals private sales undisclosed to the public. Either way this thing will be sold one day, thats my opinion. I speak from what I feel is correct if you dont like my tone then ignore my posts or find a way to engage in some conversation and debate with me as how and why I am incorrect. I have no problem being wrong, Im arguing one side of an argument, my tone is going to be persuasive its how I do most things If I actually take my time to respond at all.
I blame the fans who are the first on site telling everyone and their mom how much the works are worth. It also could have been some random opportunist fan that also just realized this is a piece he could take and hired some guys in the area real fast. I still blame most of this on the Mob of Fans who flock to these pieces daily and educate the people on the dollar aspect of the work instead of the art aspect of it. Another stupid post from you. Nothing to do with the media hyping this show? If people had been on the forum they would know these street peices are almost unsellable. No auction house will touch them. Im ok with the name calling, you can call me or my posts whatever you feel is right. You have to do what you have to do to get your point across I guess. Ill write my response as I can form a sentence to respond. Media is hyping the show you are correct, I dont see media flocking in full force like they did the first few days. The first contact is usually the fans, thus my humble opinion which in this case turned out to be wrong. Im ok with being wrong, when you are making guesses and opinions from another location your bound to be wrong once in awhile. I stand behind my belief that some fans are unintentionally effecting the preservation of the works, yet it could be also that everyone is reading the papers and watching TV. I have read thoroughly and followed the owners comments from the beginning not many knew who the artist was till told from the fans, not the media. In this case a Banksy hunter was already out looking to make a deal with the someone, an owner, someone with the balls to take the work and they got what they wanted. I cant blame this one on anyone or anything besides greed. As far as the auction house you are correct at this point but that could change and these new pieces could be something that could change that due to the fact the provenance is and has already been confirmed. Hypothetically an auction house could take a chance on selling these without a COA, or they could end up like most deals private sales undisclosed to the public. Either way this thing will be sold one day, thats my opinion. I speak from what I feel is correct if you dont like my tone then ignore my posts or find a way to engage in some conversation and debate with me as how and why I am incorrect. I have no problem being wrong, Im arguing one side of an argument, my tone is going to be persuasive its how I do most things If I actually take my time to respond at all.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 8:48:02 GMT 1, I think it's fair to say there are numerous influencing factors as to why a piece would get taken, not least banksy making it possible and it being part of the reason for its creation... imo
I think it's fair to say there are numerous influencing factors as to why a piece would get taken, not least banksy making it possible and it being part of the reason for its creation... imo
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