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Early Banksy Art, by Alan Craig on Oct 31, 2019 10:33:48 GMT 1, Marvellous x
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Early Banksy Art, by met on Nov 1, 2019 17:23:58 GMT 1, Similar in style to the work he put up in 1999 at the Carlton Arms Hotel in NYC: [...] I love it when people come out and say he cant paint because of using stencils.. 20 years ago he was making work that's still better than 99% of his haters.
With this use of comparative language about making work, it sounds as if you're suggesting Ban ksy's art is disliked by a large number of his fellow artists. Although I'm unaware of many who've been openly critical, it would be interesting to hear the ones whose work you believe is better than Ban ksy's โ namely, which specific "hater" artists you place in the 1% category. This isn't about who I think is better or not, theres a known rift of graffiti artists hating on stencils and banksy in particular as it's not 'proper art' or 'he cant paint'. When the fact is that he was a top notch skilled writer long before he touched a stencil.
No worries, I misunderstood your initial post. My impression had been you'd compared Banksy's work against that of specific artist detractors to arrive at your conclusion.
The interest for me here was that (leaving aside unverifiable, general assertions sometimes made about the subject), I was aware of very few artists who've publicly criticised Banksy's work. So if there had been any particular names you were referring to, I'd have researched their art and made the comparison myself to see if our opinions aligned โ regarding both your 99% group and, of greater curiosity to me, the 1% group.
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As for the use of stencils being controversial within traditional graffiti culture, I don't believe anyone would disagree with you. We could also broaden this to cover the graffiti scene's ambivalence towards street art more generally, including legal murals.
That said, I have yet to personally witness graffiti writers deny that Banksy's work is "proper art". Many don't even refer to themselves as artists. [They may see themselves as just writers, taggers or vandals, who should be judged by different (or additional) criteria โ like prolificness, level of destruction caused, or the difficulty, risk and danger involved in getting up at certain locations.] The criticism I actually have seen expressed is that Banksy's stencil-based work is not proper graffiti โ this, however, being a different argument altogether.
With respect to "he can't paint", I've never heard this coming from another artist or writer. The closest would be self-deprecating remarks by Banksy himself regarding his own skill set. Or regular comments by non-artists about feet and hands not being his strong suit.
I donโt think any specific graffiti writers but as a whole I think the whole thing about being a stencil artist has been frowned upon by hardcore writers for years.
In relation to this point, I suspect we are all on the same page.
Similar in style to the work he put up in 1999 at the Carlton Arms Hotel in NYC: [...] I love it when people come out and say he cant paint because of using stencils.. 20 years ago he was making work that's still better than 99% of his haters.With this use of comparative language about making work, it sounds as if you're suggesting Ban ksy's art is disliked by a large number of his fellow artists. Although I'm unaware of many who've been openly critical, it would be interesting to hear the ones whose work you believe is better than Ban ksy's โ namely, which specific "hater" artists you place in the 1% category. This isn't about who I think is better or not, theres a known rift of graffiti artists hating on stencils and banksy in particular as it's not 'proper art' or 'he cant paint'. When the fact is that he was a top notch skilled writer long before he touched a stencil. No worries, I misunderstood your initial post. My impression had been you'd compared Ban ksy's work against that of specific artist detractors to arrive at your conclusion. The interest for me here was that (leaving aside unverifiable, general assertions sometimes made about the subject), I was aware of very few artists who've publicly criticised Ban ksy's work. So if there had been any particular names you were referring to, I'd have researched their art and made the comparison myself to see if our opinions aligned โ regarding both your 99% group and, of greater curiosity to me, the 1% group. __________ As for the use of stencils being controversial within traditional graffiti culture, I don't believe anyone would disagree with you. We could also broaden this to cover the graffiti scene's ambivalence towards str eet art more generally, including legal murals. That said, I have yet to personally witness graffiti writers deny that Ban ksy's work is "proper art". Many don't even refer to themselves as artists. [They may see themselves as just writers, taggers or vandals, who should be judged by different (or additional) criteria โ like prolificness, level of destruction caused, or the difficulty, risk and danger involved in getting up at certain locations.] The criticism I actually have seen expressed is that Ban ksy's stencil-based work is not proper graffiti โ this, however, being a different argument altogether. With respect to "he can't paint", I've never heard this coming from another artist or writer. The closest would be self-deprecating remarks by Ban ksy himself regarding his own skill set. Or regular comments by non-artists about feet and hands not being his strong suit. I donโt think any specific graffiti writers but as a whole I think the whole thing about being a stencil artist has been frowned upon by hardcore writers for years. In relation to this point, I suspect we are all on the same page. |
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Early Banksy Art, by met on Nov 1, 2019 17:47:42 GMT 1, Another from Leicester in the mid-90s. The elephant is very similar to the one he later did at the Carlton Arms Hotel in NYC in 1999:  [...]
That dog (?) tied to the front of the vehicle reminds me of Tom Hardy.
Another from Leicester in the mid-90s. The elephant is very similar to the one he later did at the Carlton Arms Hotel in NYC in 1999: [...] That dog (?) tied to the front of the vehicle reminds me of Tom Hardy. |
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Early Banksy Art, by met on Nov 1, 2019 17:58:49 GMT 1, Here's one of the Christmas cards I mentioned. Oh look another bloody elephant, and possibly one of the earliest versions of heavy weaponry from mid 90s. He mis-spelt weaponry early on, never a strong point... spelling: 
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@cozycurvature โ Thank you for posting all of your photos. I would probably never otherwise have seen this early work.
Here's one of the Christmas cards I mentioned. Oh look another bloody elephant, and possibly one of the earliest versions of heavy weaponry from mid 90s. He mis-spelt weaponry early on, never a strong point... spelling: __________ @cozycurvature โ Thank you for posting all of your photos. I would probably never otherwise have seen this early work. |
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Early Banksy Art, by cosmic on Nov 2, 2019 1:35:52 GMT 1, From 2002 L.A show. I'll dig some pics out - wherever they may be 
From 2002 L.A show. I'll dig some pics out - wherever they may be Awesome to see new stuff !! |
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Early Banksy Art, by tonysantos2001 on Nov 3, 2019 1:28:18 GMT 1, Small Burger King/Starving Child is (I believe) still owned by Laz, Napalm is owned by Damien Hurst.
Small Burger King/Starving Child is (I believe) still owned by Laz, Napalm is owned by Damien Hurst. |
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Early Banksy Art, by Rubberneck on Nov 3, 2019 11:01:22 GMT 1, Small Burger King/Starving Child is (I believe) still owned by Laz, Napalm is owned by Damien Hurst.
Whatโs the white thing in the foreground? Overhead projector?
Small Burger King/Starving Child is (I believe) still owned by Laz, Napalm is owned by Damien Hurst. Whatโs the white thing in the foreground? Overhead projector? |
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Early Banksy Art, by carly on Nov 3, 2019 12:42:54 GMT 1, Small ย Burger King/Starving Child is (I believe) still owned by Laz, Napalm is owned by Damien Hurst. Whatโs the white thing in the foreground? Overhead projector?
Yes a projector one was also used to paint the flower thrower in Palestine
Small ย Burger King/Starving Child is (I believe) still owned by Laz, Napalm is owned by Damien Hurst. Whatโs the white thing in the foreground? Overhead projector? Yes a projector one was also used to paint the flower thrower in Palestine |
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Early Banksy Art, by rjf76 on Nov 3, 2019 13:55:03 GMT 1, "Whatโs the white thing in the foreground? Overhead projector?" Looks like it as second photo shows one in use  
Just industrial strip lights I think?!
"Whatโs the white thing in the foreground? Overhead projector?" Looks like it as second photo shows one in use Just industrial strip lights I think?! |
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Early Banksy Art, by Laugh Now 10 on Nov 3, 2019 17:37:59 GMT 1,
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Early Banksy Art, by Rubberneck on Nov 4, 2019 13:33:32 GMT 1, Itโs the gangster grannies.
Itโs the gangster grannies.
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Early Banksy Art, by Rubberneck on Nov 5, 2019 20:25:56 GMT 1,
Not seen this one before
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Early Banksy Art, by Prescription Art on Nov 5, 2019 20:44:35 GMT 1,
I saw that in a prominent position at one of the art fairs in Miami last year. It looked like the fakest fake Banksy i had ever seen. Are you telling me it's actually real cosmic ?
I saw that in a prominent position at one of the art fairs in Miami last year. It looked like the fakest fake Banksy i had ever seen. Are you telling me it's actually real cosmic ? |
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Early Banksy Art, by Not 4 The Thril on Nov 5, 2019 20:59:40 GMT 1, I saw that in a prominent position at one of the art fairs in Miami last year. It looked like the fakest fake Banksy i had ever seen. Are you telling me it's actually real cosmic ?
signature is off, placement is off, the way the stencil is cut- even the piece its on is off.
but i am happy to be proven wrong!
I saw that in a prominent position at one of the art fairs in Miami last year. It looked like the fakest fake Banksy i had ever seen. Are you telling me it's actually real cosmic ? that is either fake as fake can be or extremely early on in his stenciling. signature is off, placement is off, the way the stencil is cut- even the piece its on is off. but i am happy to be proven wrong! |
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Early Banksy Art, by cosmic on Nov 5, 2019 21:25:19 GMT 1,  i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office? 
Been wanting to see that without the bin in the way also !!
i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office? "step into my office" Been wanting to see that without the bin in the way also !! |
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Early Banksy Art, by Prescription Art on Nov 5, 2019 21:31:45 GMT 1, I saw that in a prominent position at one of the art fairs in Miami last year. It looked like the fakest fake Banksy i had ever seen. Are you telling me it's actually real cosmic ? Dated 1995-1998
Even being that early i find that extremely surprising... i didnโt even consider that it could possibly be real!
I saw that in a prominent position at one of the art fairs in Miami last year. It looked like the fakest fake Banksy i had ever seen. Are you telling me it's actually real cosmic ? Dated 1995-1998 Even being that early i find that extremely surprising... i didnโt even consider that it could possibly be real! |
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Early Banksy Art, by JW on Nov 5, 2019 21:33:51 GMT 1, i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office? "step into my office" Been wanting to see that without the bin in the way also !!
Not great, but no bins!
www.artflakes.com/de/products/step-into-my-office-2
i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office? "step into my office" Been wanting to see that without the bin in the way also !! Not great, but no bins! www.artflakes.com/de/products/step-into-my-office-2 |
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Early Banksy Art, by hnkpnk on Nov 5, 2019 21:44:02 GMT 1, Even being that early i find that extremely surprising... i didnโt even consider that it could possibly be real!
Even being that early i find that extremely surprising... i didnโt even consider that it could possibly be real! Isn't the tag wrong for the period? Should be a capital "A" or one with an opening upper left. Or even a different font like the "robber kids"? The one used here is much later, no? |
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Early Banksy Art, by met on Nov 6, 2019 0:02:42 GMT 1,  i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office?
"Mr Pelling โ Step into my office..."
This is Banksy cheerfully goading Andrew Pelling*, in a "Catch me if you can" kind of way.
At the time, Pelling was chair of the Graffiti Investigative Committee at the Greater London Authority (GLA).
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The location is where Monkey Queen was later painted for Banksy's anti-Jubilee street party in May 2002, marking Elizabeth II's 50-year reign:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2018739.stm
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/05/32743.html?c=on
i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office?This is Banksy cheerfully goading Andrew Pelling*, in a "Catch me if you can" kind of way. At the time, Pelling was chair of the Graffiti Investigative Committee at the Greater London Authority (GLA). __________ The location is where Monkey Queen was later painted for Ban ksy's anti-Jubilee street party in May 2002, marking Elizabeth II's 50-year reign: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2018739.stmwww.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/05/32743.html?c=on |
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Early Banksy Art, by avec art on Nov 6, 2019 0:10:32 GMT 1, that is so good. I did not know about Mr Pelling. I imagine one of his underlings approaching him .. 'um Sir I've got some rather bad news for you...'
that is so good. I did not know about Mr Pelling. I imagine one of his underlings approaching him .. 'um Sir I've got some rather bad news for you...'
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Early Banksy Art, by Not 4 The Thril on Nov 6, 2019 0:11:09 GMT 1, i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office?This is Banksy cheerfully goading Andrew Pelling*, in a "Catch me if you can" kind of way. At the time, Pelling was chair of the Graffiti Investigative Committee at the Greater London Authority (GLA). __________ The location is where Monkey Queen was later painted for Ban ksy's anti-Jubilee street party in May 2002, marking Elizabeth II's 50-year reign: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2018739.stmwww.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/05/32743.html?c=on
this is what this forum is for!
i have seen this checkbook vandalism piece before but never the piece on the other wall- does anyone have a better pic of this one? step into my office?This is Banksy cheerfully goading Andrew Pelling*, in a "Catch me if you can" kind of way. At the time, Pelling was chair of the Graffiti Investigative Committee at the Greater London Authority (GLA). __________ The location is where Monkey Queen was later painted for Ban ksy's anti-Jubilee street party in May 2002, marking Elizabeth II's 50-year reign: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2018739.stmwww.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/05/32743.html?c=onLOVE IT! THANK YOU FOR THE INSIGHT! this is what this forum is for! |
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Early Banksy Art, by cosmic on Nov 6, 2019 22:25:22 GMT 1, Anyone Know where this was from please ?
Anyone Know where this was from please ? |
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Early Banksy Art, by hnkpnk on Nov 6, 2019 22:50:19 GMT 1, 
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Early Banksy Art, by hnkpnk on Nov 6, 2019 22:59:49 GMT 1, Absolutely awesome never seen this piece before ! I saw that in MOCO Amsterdam last month, but dismissed it as fake. Is it really a confirmed Banksy piece? The style is wrong especially for 2002. And I've never seen pictures of it before.
Absolutely awesome never seen this piece before ! I saw that in MOCO Amsterdam last month, but dismissed it as fake. Is it really a confirmed Banksy piece? The style is wrong especially for 2002. And I've never seen pictures of it before. I'll be damned. There it is in the background (to the left): |
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Early Banksy Art, by cosmic on Nov 6, 2019 23:14:19 GMT 1, nice spot hnkpnk !!!!!
another from that show
nice spot hnkpnk !!!!! another from that show |
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Early Banksy Art, by hnkpnk on Nov 6, 2019 23:25:02 GMT 1,  Little seen Banksy piece painted outside Cargo in Shoreditch back in 2000.
Little seen Banksy piece painted outside Cargo in Shoreditch back in 2000. From another angle: |
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Early Banksy Art, by jimmyjam on Nov 6, 2019 23:34:34 GMT 1,
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Early Banksy Art, by hnkpnk on Nov 6, 2019 23:56:24 GMT 1, Anyone Know where this was from please ? The boarding around the toilets at a festival. Probably Glastonbury.
Edit: You beat me with a few seconds. 
Anyone Know where this was from please ? The boarding around the toilets at a festival. Probably Glastonbury. It's been posted here before. And it says "Board X: Urban games. Clapham Common august 2000": Edit: You beat me with a few seconds. |
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