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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 11:41:36 GMT 1, dotdotdot... recently there seems to be a bit of a buzz going on about this Dotdotdot fella. Lots of hype and sell out releases. Prices going up up up.....
I have received offers of dotdotdot trades almost everyday for the last few weeks and i have also seen countless dotdotdot for sale threads on the forum.
so why are people buying this stuff if nobody wants to keep them??? and what makes people think everyone else would want their dotdotdot in exchange for good works by well established artists??
I really don't want to be rude about any artist or art but come on whats going on.
just in case its not clear i don't own any dotdotdot stuff and don't wish to.
dotdotdot... recently there seems to be a bit of a buzz going on about this Dotdotdot fella. Lots of hype and sell out releases. Prices going up up up.....
I have received offers of dotdotdot trades almost everyday for the last few weeks and i have also seen countless dotdotdot for sale threads on the forum.
so why are people buying this stuff if nobody wants to keep them??? and what makes people think everyone else would want their dotdotdot in exchange for good works by well established artists??
I really don't want to be rude about any artist or art but come on whats going on.
just in case its not clear i don't own any dotdotdot stuff and don't wish to.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by erik on Dec 29, 2013 11:53:39 GMT 1, After the success with Dolk the Norwegian marked is flooded with new stencil artists and the collectors/traders go for them hoping to repeat the story...
After the success with Dolk the Norwegian marked is flooded with new stencil artists and the collectors/traders go for them hoping to repeat the story...
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 13:34:38 GMT 1, True, but some may genuinely like the prints and images. Yes i do own a DDD. And no, it's not for sale
True, but some may genuinely like the prints and images. Yes i do own a DDD. And no, it's not for sale
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 29, 2013 13:40:26 GMT 1, After the success with Dolk the Norwegian marked is flooded with new stencil artists and the collectors/traders go for them hoping to repeat the story... big misconception that its norway driving the market, napoleon sold 3rd best in norway.
norway is slow on online releases as there not used to things selling out in minutes but thats changing quick.
dot deserves the success he is getting his street work over in LA, norway etc has been excellent and refreshing.
anyone who has a canvas will tell you they're painted very well with acrylic backgrounds etc and they are supper impressive in the flesh.
you either like it or you do not, i love norway stencil art obviously, ever since i seen puppy love on pow years ago...
After the success with Dolk the Norwegian marked is flooded with new stencil artists and the collectors/traders go for them hoping to repeat the story... big misconception that its norway driving the market, napoleon sold 3rd best in norway. norway is slow on online releases as there not used to things selling out in minutes but thats changing quick. dot deserves the success he is getting his street work over in LA, norway etc has been excellent and refreshing. anyone who has a canvas will tell you they're painted very well with acrylic backgrounds etc and they are supper impressive in the flesh. you either like it or you do not, i love norway stencil art obviously, ever since i seen puppy love on pow years ago...
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Warm Gun on Dec 29, 2013 13:59:37 GMT 1, I've no doubt that his execution is of a high standard and I did quite like the Napoleon print but personally I find the majority of his images dull, tired, humourless and uninspiring, blokes in balaclavas holding guns in different situations...yawn. I certainly don't see this as 'refreshing'. He'll be doing skulls and butterflies next. I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that people are using the forum hype that surrounds him to try and blag a better print in an trade (I noticed one cheeky member hoping to swap a dot dot dot for a Banksy!), We've seen it many times before with other artists.
I've no doubt that his execution is of a high standard and I did quite like the Napoleon print but personally I find the majority of his images dull, tired, humourless and uninspiring, blokes in balaclavas holding guns in different situations...yawn. I certainly don't see this as 'refreshing'. He'll be doing skulls and butterflies next. I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that people are using the forum hype that surrounds him to try and blag a better print in an trade (I noticed one cheeky member hoping to swap a dot dot dot for a Banksy!), We've seen it many times before with other artists.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Limited Prints on Dec 29, 2013 15:27:29 GMT 1, True, but some may genuinely like the prints and images. Yes i do own a DDD. And no, it's not for sale Same sentiments J, No doubt Dolk paved the way for this pricing but supply and demand right.....I like the thief and napoleon image. Certain people look at the world a certain way. I think most of dots work is based on sarcasm. I like the idea of a Major historical figure who's know for being his own downfall wearing a paper hat, A dunce hat would of been to obvious. Old school bun..... and thief....I think that's every art collectors dream...a half blank canvas where someone is stealing art....fucking hilarious......I like dot dare I say more thank Dolk....(but im a sarcastic arshole...)I do think Norway has upped the pricing no doubt...just check out finno (and that Norwegian forum who's name escapes me begins with Kun) 5-6 thousand($) for TR. and 3-4 for PP and Zooicide. Rat-king just sold a TR in the last weeks at 500,000 yen plus shipping and taxes that has to be closer to 5,300-5,400 hundred. ( was that u DOC.... haha)...any way...I like my dot's and do not plan on selling them...I see the hype your referring to but think that's more good images coming out with less competition and filling a void in the market....but that's MHO
True, but some may genuinely like the prints and images. Yes i do own a DDD. And no, it's not for sale Same sentiments J, No doubt Dolk paved the way for this pricing but supply and demand right.....I like the thief and napoleon image. Certain people look at the world a certain way. I think most of dots work is based on sarcasm. I like the idea of a Major historical figure who's know for being his own downfall wearing a paper hat, A dunce hat would of been to obvious. Old school bun..... and thief....I think that's every art collectors dream...a half blank canvas where someone is stealing art....fucking hilarious......I like dot dare I say more thank Dolk....(but im a sarcastic arshole...)I do think Norway has upped the pricing no doubt...just check out finno (and that Norwegian forum who's name escapes me begins with Kun) 5-6 thousand($) for TR. and 3-4 for PP and Zooicide. Rat-king just sold a TR in the last weeks at 500,000 yen plus shipping and taxes that has to be closer to 5,300-5,400 hundred. ( was that u DOC.... haha)...any way...I like my dot's and do not plan on selling them...I see the hype your referring to but think that's more good images coming out with less competition and filling a void in the market....but that's MHO
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by kultur on Dec 29, 2013 17:57:21 GMT 1, I do not have any pieces by ... but this happens at least a couple times a year with different artists on the publicity train. Only time will tell if it is real, and most people selling/ trading right now are trying to capitalize on the success.
The free ... giveaway by black apple - i havent seen such a response on the forum in years. I doubt they were all multiple accounts.
I do not have any pieces by ... but this happens at least a couple times a year with different artists on the publicity train. Only time will tell if it is real, and most people selling/ trading right now are trying to capitalize on the success.
The free ... giveaway by black apple - i havent seen such a response on the forum in years. I doubt they were all multiple accounts.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 20:37:58 GMT 1, thanks for the responses, agreed the giveaway was great thing to do for the forum.
i just faile to understand all the dotdotdot hype, especially when there are so many buyers trying to gret rid of their purchase a week or two after release. I am not exaggerating in the slightist when i say i have never been offered so many trades by so many people want to get rid of their newly purchased dotdotdot.
thanks for the responses, agreed the giveaway was great thing to do for the forum.
i just faile to understand all the dotdotdot hype, especially when there are so many buyers trying to gret rid of their purchase a week or two after release. I am not exaggerating in the slightist when i say i have never been offered so many trades by so many people want to get rid of their newly purchased dotdotdot.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by aladdinsane on Dec 30, 2013 2:03:50 GMT 1, i just faile to understand all the dotdotdot hype You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him.
Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has?
i just faile to understand all the dotdotdot hype You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has?
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Gentle Mental on Dec 30, 2013 4:31:21 GMT 1, i like dotdotdot.
he's still finding his way and is getting better every time.
too much hype might destroy mojo to produce.
dran has gone sooo quiet. and i think the hype (and huge influx of cash? maybe?) has something to do with it.
so please settle down people. let the man grow his skills and so our eyes can enjoy more visual pleasures.
i like dotdotdot.
he's still finding his way and is getting better every time.
too much hype might destroy mojo to produce.
dran has gone sooo quiet. and i think the hype (and huge influx of cash? maybe?) has something to do with it.
so please settle down people. let the man grow his skills and so our eyes can enjoy more visual pleasures.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 10:20:12 GMT 1, i just faile to understand all the dotdotdot hype You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has? "So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him."
so TO BE CLEAR i had a for trade thread with some stuff i wanted to trade, dface, faile, eelus, dolk. and i never asked for specific trades just let me know what you have... and i have been offered dotdotdot a million times even on other forums, facebook and ebay all dotdotdot.
if his shit is so greeeeeeat why does everyone want to get rid of it??
"So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has?"
faile- last print release was excellent no problems with purchasing, 27 colour screen print £330 shipped to london
dface dtail- good release, good size and quality £300.
hush last print £275 good price, good print, good artist.
as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it.
hope that answers your questions.
i just faile to understand all the dotdotdot hype You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has? "So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him." so TO BE CLEAR i had a for trade thread with some stuff i wanted to trade, dface, faile, eelus, dolk. and i never asked for specific trades just let me know what you have... and i have been offered dotdotdot a million times even on other forums, facebook and ebay all dotdotdot. if his shit is so greeeeeeat why does everyone want to get rid of it?? "So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has?" faile- last print release was excellent no problems with purchasing, 27 colour screen print £330 shipped to london dface dtail- good release, good size and quality £300. hush last print £275 good price, good print, good artist. as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 10:24:54 GMT 1, as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up.
maybe you could fold your dotdotdot prints into a paper hats and rock it for new years eve. please post pics if anyone decides to do that.
as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up.
maybe you could fold your dotdotdot prints into a paper hats and rock it for new years eve. please post pics if anyone decides to do that.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by FЯ on Dec 30, 2013 11:15:00 GMT 1, You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has? "So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him." so TO BE CLEAR i had a for trade thread with some stuff i wanted to trade, dface, faile, eelus, dolk. and i never asked for specific trades just let me know what you have... and i have been offered dotdotdot a million times even on other forums, facebook and ebay all dotdotdot. if his s**t is so greeeeeeat why does everyone want to get rid of it?? "So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has?" faile- last print release was excellent no problems with purchasing, 27 colour screen print £330 shipped to london dface dtail- good release, good size and quality £300. hush last print £275 good price, good print, good artist. as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions. Eh.
the dot dot dot prints are £100 when released and far superior in print quality to that dface print to be honest. not seen the hush, but i assumed his stuff was giglee. You cant compare faile printing to dot dot dot... Why would the napoleon print need to be 27 screens.
your argument is invalid.
You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has? "So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him." so TO BE CLEAR i had a for trade thread with some stuff i wanted to trade, dface, faile, eelus, dolk. and i never asked for specific trades just let me know what you have... and i have been offered dotdotdot a million times even on other forums, facebook and ebay all dotdotdot. if his s**t is so greeeeeeat why does everyone want to get rid of it?? "So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has?" faile- last print release was excellent no problems with purchasing, 27 colour screen print £330 shipped to london dface dtail- good release, good size and quality £300. hush last print £275 good price, good print, good artist. as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions. Eh. the dot dot dot prints are £100 when released and far superior in print quality to that dface print to be honest. not seen the hush, but i assumed his stuff was giglee. You cant compare faile printing to dot dot dot... Why would the napoleon print need to be 27 screens. your argument is invalid.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 11:31:54 GMT 1, which part of my arguement is invalid please??
i never compared paper or print quality once.maybe your referring to the last bit
"as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up"
bit of a reference to that person who wanted to trade their dotdotdot for a banksy.
not trying to start an arguement but some good discussion would be nice. calling other people opinions invalid is just ignorant.
which part of my arguement is invalid please??
i never compared paper or print quality once.maybe your referring to the last bit
"as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up"
bit of a reference to that person who wanted to trade their dotdotdot for a banksy.
not trying to start an arguement but some good discussion would be nice. calling other people opinions invalid is just ignorant.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 11:43:49 GMT 1, i think you'll find the hush print was a 12 Colour Screen print on 300gsm Somerset White Satin with 1 varnish Gloss UV. i have 5 hush prints all screen printed and great quality.
i think you'll find the hush print was a 12 Colour Screen print on 300gsm Somerset White Satin with 1 varnish Gloss UV. i have 5 hush prints all screen printed and great quality.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 30, 2013 12:15:51 GMT 1, i think you'll find the hush print was a 12 Colour Screen print on 300gsm Somerset White Satin with 1 varnish Gloss UV. i have 5 hush prints all screen printed and great quality. and printed in the same place as the dot prints and same paper, so quality not a issue here just you don't like his images which is fine, i just think a lot of people do.
i find getting his work is very hard and i would buy more work esp canvases pm me with offers.....
i think you'll find the hush print was a 12 Colour Screen print on 300gsm Somerset White Satin with 1 varnish Gloss UV. i have 5 hush prints all screen printed and great quality. and printed in the same place as the dot prints and same paper, so quality not a issue here just you don't like his images which is fine, i just think a lot of people do. i find getting his work is very hard and i would buy more work esp canvases pm me with offers.....
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by FЯ on Dec 30, 2013 17:14:25 GMT 1, which part of my arguement is invalid please?? i never compared paper or print quality once.maybe your referring to the last bit "as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up" bit of a reference to that person who wanted to trade their dotdotdot for a banksy. not trying to start an arguement but some good discussion would be nice. calling other people opinions invalid is just ignorant. Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source.
and lastly. You smell.
which part of my arguement is invalid please?? i never compared paper or print quality once.maybe your referring to the last bit "as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up" bit of a reference to that person who wanted to trade their dotdotdot for a banksy. not trying to start an arguement but some good discussion would be nice. calling other people opinions invalid is just ignorant. Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by aladdinsane on Dec 30, 2013 17:19:15 GMT 1, You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has? as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions. It does and doesn't answer the question. Maybe the question was actually rhetorical. I am cool with you not being a fan of a specific artist but to make a thread to just bash the artist because of your personal taste is kind of silly. I figured your answer was 'I was open to all trades' but again Dot had two successful print releases in the last month so of course there are people who bought a 'hot' print strictly to stuff into a flat file and use it to trade flip something they wanted. Have you been on the forums long? This is not new and has happened to every artist who's had the slightest bit of popularity and has happened with every artist on your list. Your whole argument for the thread is everyone wants to get rid of it which is simply not the case. Again not trying to convert you to like an artist just confused to the point of your thread. I assume now it's just to try to diminish the popularity of an artist because he's not doing work you find appealing.
Faile sells at a price dictated by the market. They for years have been in demand till they started pricing in a way to combat the flipping. Yet the Faile 150 series was all over eBay and the forums when they releases this year. But every artist you listed at some point was in some sort of forum saturation and in the case of Hush if you're into the whole wide eye big titted anime girl thing I could see totally not liking the stuff Dot does so that does help answer my question.
You said you"fail to understand the Dot hype" and if that's the case you're just ignoring the some people are in it for the money and some for the art. If the print you were being offered was the new Faile print that would be OK because you like the artist. Dot won't be the first or the last to be in everyone's trade flip list.
Most of your point is made based on your personal dislike more then the fact some people have purchased an artist to flip. I respect your opinion and the forums are full of them but not everyone wants to get rid of them and not all of his sh*t is great. But don't kid yourself everyone of those people who have prints from Dot know exactly what they want to do with it. They want to use it to leverage an increase over what they paid either through trade flip or sale.
You could remove Dot's name there and insert 95% of artists who are followed on the forums. But I'd rather the work Dot is doing over a massive amount of the stuff being flogged here. I'd start another thread with Stik's name in the subject but I think there's a few of those threads from the last few months. So to be clear, you don't like Dot yet strangely people keep offering to sell you stuff from Dot? I just find it rather hard to understand why people would constantly offer you Dot in trade without you actually wanting work from him. Plenty of people buy to resell and even more buy because they like and want to keep the image on their walls. It's not that it comes off rude but it's ignorant because YOU don't like something and have been offered work from the artist YOU don't understand the hype? So what artists do you buy that you deem worthy of the hype or the buzz Dot has? as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions. It does and doesn't answer the question. Maybe the question was actually rhetorical. I am cool with you not being a fan of a specific artist but to make a thread to just bash the artist because of your personal taste is kind of silly. I figured your answer was 'I was open to all trades' but again Dot had two successful print releases in the last month so of course there are people who bought a 'hot' print strictly to stuff into a flat file and use it to trade flip something they wanted. Have you been on the forums long? This is not new and has happened to every artist who's had the slightest bit of popularity and has happened with every artist on your list. Your whole argument for the thread is everyone wants to get rid of it which is simply not the case. Again not trying to convert you to like an artist just confused to the point of your thread. I assume now it's just to try to diminish the popularity of an artist because he's not doing work you find appealing. Faile sells at a price dictated by the market. They for years have been in demand till they started pricing in a way to combat the flipping. Yet the Faile 150 series was all over eBay and the forums when they releases this year. But every artist you listed at some point was in some sort of forum saturation and in the case of Hush if you're into the whole wide eye big titted anime girl thing I could see totally not liking the stuff Dot does so that does help answer my question. You said you"fail to understand the Dot hype" and if that's the case you're just ignoring the some people are in it for the money and some for the art. If the print you were being offered was the new Faile print that would be OK because you like the artist. Dot won't be the first or the last to be in everyone's trade flip list. Most of your point is made based on your personal dislike more then the fact some people have purchased an artist to flip. I respect your opinion and the forums are full of them but not everyone wants to get rid of them and not all of his sh*t is great. But don't kid yourself everyone of those people who have prints from Dot know exactly what they want to do with it. They want to use it to leverage an increase over what they paid either through trade flip or sale.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 18:06:49 GMT 1, which part of my arguement is invalid please?? i never compared paper or print quality once.maybe your referring to the last bit "as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up" bit of a reference to that person who wanted to trade their dotdotdot for a banksy. not trying to start an arguement but some good discussion would be nice. calling other people opinions invalid is just ignorant. Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell. why do people think that others would want to swap their MORE EXPENSIVE print by long established artists for a £100 dotdotdot???
that was the point i was trying to make, sorry for misunderstanding.
which part of my arguement is invalid please?? i never compared paper or print quality once.maybe your referring to the last bit "as someone else said on another thread, artists like banksy had to start at the bottom selling stuff for £20 ect, these guys come into the scene and want to sell their stuff for hundreds or thousand with not much to back it up" bit of a reference to that person who wanted to trade their dotdotdot for a banksy. not trying to start an arguement but some good discussion would be nice. calling other people opinions invalid is just ignorant. Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell. why do people think that others would want to swap their MORE EXPENSIVE print by long established artists for a £100 dotdotdot??? that was the point i was trying to make, sorry for misunderstanding.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 18:10:29 GMT 1, as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions. It does and doesn't answer the question. Maybe the question was actually rhetorical. I am cool with you not being a fan of a specific artist but to make a thread to just bash the artist because of your personal taste is kind of silly. I figured your answer was 'I was open to all trades' but again Dot had two successful print releases in the last month so of course there are people who bought a 'hot' print strictly to stuff into a flat file and use it to trade flip something they wanted. Have you been on the forums long? This is not new and has happened to every artist who's had the slightest bit of popularity and has happened with every artist on your list. Your whole argument for the thread is everyone wants to get rid of it which is simply not the case. Again not trying to convert you to like an artist just confused to the point of your thread. I assume now it's just to try to diminish the popularity of an artist because he's not doing work you find appealing. Faile sells at a price dictated by the market. They for years have been in demand till they started pricing in a way to combat the flipping. Yet the Faile 150 series was all over eBay and the forums when they releases this year. But every artist you listed at some point was in some sort of forum saturation and in the case of Hush if you're into the whole wide eye big titted anime girl thing I could see totally not liking the stuff Dot does so that does help answer my question. You said you"fail to understand the Dot hype" and if that's the case you're just ignoring the some people are in it for the money and some for the art. If the print you were being offered was the new Faile print that would be OK because you like the artist. Dot won't be the first or the last to be in everyone's trade flip list. Most of your point is made based on your personal dislike more then the fact some people have purchased an artist to flip. I respect your opinion and the forums are full of them but not everyone wants to get rid of them and not all of his sh*t is great. But don't kid yourself everyone of those people who have prints from Dot know exactly what they want to do with it. They want to use it to leverage an increase over what they paid either through trade flip or sale. " I am cool with you not being a fan of a specific artist but to make a thread to just bash the artist because of your personal taste is kind of silly."
all i am doing is discussing the dotdotdot phenomenon, not bashing the artists at all just the muppets that think they could swap one for a banksy print.
as far as i can see some people have dotdotdot stuff and dont know what to do with it. hope that answers your questions. It does and doesn't answer the question. Maybe the question was actually rhetorical. I am cool with you not being a fan of a specific artist but to make a thread to just bash the artist because of your personal taste is kind of silly. I figured your answer was 'I was open to all trades' but again Dot had two successful print releases in the last month so of course there are people who bought a 'hot' print strictly to stuff into a flat file and use it to trade flip something they wanted. Have you been on the forums long? This is not new and has happened to every artist who's had the slightest bit of popularity and has happened with every artist on your list. Your whole argument for the thread is everyone wants to get rid of it which is simply not the case. Again not trying to convert you to like an artist just confused to the point of your thread. I assume now it's just to try to diminish the popularity of an artist because he's not doing work you find appealing. Faile sells at a price dictated by the market. They for years have been in demand till they started pricing in a way to combat the flipping. Yet the Faile 150 series was all over eBay and the forums when they releases this year. But every artist you listed at some point was in some sort of forum saturation and in the case of Hush if you're into the whole wide eye big titted anime girl thing I could see totally not liking the stuff Dot does so that does help answer my question. You said you"fail to understand the Dot hype" and if that's the case you're just ignoring the some people are in it for the money and some for the art. If the print you were being offered was the new Faile print that would be OK because you like the artist. Dot won't be the first or the last to be in everyone's trade flip list. Most of your point is made based on your personal dislike more then the fact some people have purchased an artist to flip. I respect your opinion and the forums are full of them but not everyone wants to get rid of them and not all of his sh*t is great. But don't kid yourself everyone of those people who have prints from Dot know exactly what they want to do with it. They want to use it to leverage an increase over what they paid either through trade flip or sale. " I am cool with you not being a fan of a specific artist but to make a thread to just bash the artist because of your personal taste is kind of silly." all i am doing is discussing the dotdotdot phenomenon, not bashing the artists at all just the muppets that think they could swap one for a banksy print.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by pcant on Dec 30, 2013 19:06:30 GMT 1, Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell. why do people think that others would want to swap their MORE EXPENSIVE print by long established artists for a £100 dotdotdot??? that was the point i was trying to make, sorry for misunderstanding. I think I've figured it out what you're asking. I don't CARE that the Dolk I traded for a dotdotdot is more expensive, that isn't why I bought the art in the first place. (and what does "established" mean here: does that mean "can command higher price"?) I swapped them because I had the Dolk, I wanted the dotdotdot instead and I missed out on the drop. Value isn't all in the price (climbs onto soapbox), art's value should be in how much you enjoy it, not what you can resell it for. So if you think a piece is worth more to you because it's got a higher resale value, you're doing it wrong.
Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell. why do people think that others would want to swap their MORE EXPENSIVE print by long established artists for a £100 dotdotdot??? that was the point i was trying to make, sorry for misunderstanding. I think I've figured it out what you're asking. I don't CARE that the Dolk I traded for a dotdotdot is more expensive, that isn't why I bought the art in the first place. (and what does "established" mean here: does that mean "can command higher price"?) I swapped them because I had the Dolk, I wanted the dotdotdot instead and I missed out on the drop. Value isn't all in the price (climbs onto soapbox), art's value should be in how much you enjoy it, not what you can resell it for. So if you think a piece is worth more to you because it's got a higher resale value, you're doing it wrong.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by FЯ on Dec 30, 2013 19:14:21 GMT 1, Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell. why do people think that others would want to swap their MORE EXPENSIVE print by long established artists for a £100 dotdotdot??? that was the point i was trying to make, sorry for misunderstanding. So your talking money rather than art.
thats fine, but just remember that it is a fickle market. One day dotdotdot might outsell manga tits. Then it will be the more expensive print. it is swings and roundabouts - if your a speculator you might take the risk and trade up for a newcomer.
just saying.
Yes you were comparing print quality - which is a non issue. Artists can print 80 pissing screens, it makes no odds to the image. You were also comparing price, which you were also wrong on as all of those you quoted cost more than any dot dot dot print from source. and lastly. You smell. why do people think that others would want to swap their MORE EXPENSIVE print by long established artists for a £100 dotdotdot??? that was the point i was trying to make, sorry for misunderstanding. So your talking money rather than art. thats fine, but just remember that it is a fickle market. One day dotdotdot might outsell manga tits. Then it will be the more expensive print. it is swings and roundabouts - if your a speculator you might take the risk and trade up for a newcomer. just saying.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by dotdot on Dec 30, 2013 20:02:23 GMT 1, still at the end of the day..
if someone thinks it's great as art then yes go for it - you'll frame and put it on the wall.
to the others.. over the road .. well ... you'll find out soon enough what it's worth.
couple of years ago .. it was ... well where do i start... ? far be it for me to go over old ground.
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still at the end of the day..
if someone thinks it's great as art then yes go for it - you'll frame and put it on the wall.
to the others.. over the road .. well ... you'll find out soon enough what it's worth.
couple of years ago .. it was ... well where do i start... ? far be it for me to go over old ground.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by aladdinsane on Dec 30, 2013 20:25:56 GMT 1, all i am doing is discussing the dotdotdot phenomenon, not bashing the artists at all just the muppets that think they could swap one for a banksy print. You think Dot sales/resales is a phenom? I think you need to stick around on the forums a bit longer. He's not even the most overhyped artist of 2013 here let alone a phenomenon.
Also you're talking about the ONE person who offered to trade his Dot canvas for a Banksy print on the forums? A canvas he probably paid a few thousand quid for not £100. The post he took down instantly when he realized it was a dumb offer and that was that?
all i am doing is discussing the dotdotdot phenomenon, not bashing the artists at all just the muppets that think they could swap one for a banksy print. You think Dot sales/resales is a phenom? I think you need to stick around on the forums a bit longer. He's not even the most overhyped artist of 2013 here let alone a phenomenon. Also you're talking about the ONE person who offered to trade his Dot canvas for a Banksy print on the forums? A canvas he probably paid a few thousand quid for not £100. The post he took down instantly when he realized it was a dumb offer and that was that?
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 22:26:46 GMT 1, phenomenon= sarcasm
And referring to the banksy swap deal and countless offers I have had of dotdotdot in trades.
phenomenon= sarcasm
And referring to the banksy swap deal and countless offers I have had of dotdotdot in trades.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by graffuturism on Dec 31, 2013 0:07:52 GMT 1, Interesting topic and one that even though maybe negative in nature brings up some good points not only about this artist but other artists as well that maybe are on fire in the print release sense. Maybe the Gallery knows best as he has stated he is buying Dot Dot images still, or maybe someone like nuart can chime in to the canon of the artist. I have never been one to judge an artist by what he sells, there are plenty of shit successful artists. I take other professionals opinions and I haven't heard a good enough argument in his favor yet except that those that hold his work more hold it for flipping and up selling for profit then actual sentiment for the image. There was one person talking about the artwork being appreciated as such which know one can argue is a invalid reason to own someones art, yet that person isnt trying to sell it or flip it either which brings the original question that I haven't seen been answered yet. Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say.
If speculating then it seems Dot dot is a great commodity according to your answers to the question, yet if collecting I am not sure that is the case as I take it from your answers as well. I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. I dont have those answers as this is not my expertise, but maybe someone on the forum does and you guys can have a more civil discussion that involves actual opinion based on your beliefs about art not Money. Money always exists as a part of art, but in my opinion should never enter ones decision in accumulating it.
Interesting topic and one that even though maybe negative in nature brings up some good points not only about this artist but other artists as well that maybe are on fire in the print release sense. Maybe the Gallery knows best as he has stated he is buying Dot Dot images still, or maybe someone like nuart can chime in to the canon of the artist. I have never been one to judge an artist by what he sells, there are plenty of shit successful artists. I take other professionals opinions and I haven't heard a good enough argument in his favor yet except that those that hold his work more hold it for flipping and up selling for profit then actual sentiment for the image. There was one person talking about the artwork being appreciated as such which know one can argue is a invalid reason to own someones art, yet that person isnt trying to sell it or flip it either which brings the original question that I haven't seen been answered yet. Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say. If speculating then it seems Dot dot is a great commodity according to your answers to the question, yet if collecting I am not sure that is the case as I take it from your answers as well. I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. I dont have those answers as this is not my expertise, but maybe someone on the forum does and you guys can have a more civil discussion that involves actual opinion based on your beliefs about art not Money. Money always exists as a part of art, but in my opinion should never enter ones decision in accumulating it.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 3:56:18 GMT 1, Interesting topic and one that even though maybe negative in nature brings up some good points not only about this artist but other artists as well that maybe are on fire in the print release sense. Maybe the Gallery knows best as he has stated he is buying Dot Dot images still, or maybe someone like nuart can chime in to the canon of the artist. I have never been one to judge an artist by what he sells, there are plenty of s**t successful artists. I take other professionals opinions and I haven't heard a good enough argument in his favor yet except that those that hold his work more hold it for flipping and up selling for profit then actual sentiment for the image. There was one person talking about the artwork being appreciated as such which know one can argue is a invalid reason to own someones art, yet that person isnt trying to sell it or flip it either which brings the original question that I haven't seen been answered yet. Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say. If speculating then it seems Dot dot is a great commodity according to your answers to the question, yet if collecting I am not sure that is the case as I take it from your answers as well. I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. I dont have those answers as this is not my expertise, but maybe someone on the forum does and you guys can have a more civil discussion that involves actual opinion based on your beliefs about art not Money. Money always exists as a part of art, but in my opinion should never enter ones decision in accumulating it.
" I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. "
"Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say."
thanks so much for contributing graffuturism. To be honest i feel like i am trading down if i was trading for a dotdotdot and nobody has given me any reason to think otherwise.
My aim was to understand what i was missing here about dotdotdot that so many people seem to get... but it doesn't seem like many people know why they are buying except to speculate. most think i should jump on the bandwagon and speculate also but thats never been my aim i don't like this dotdotdot stuff personally but was open to being shown that my judgement was incorrect but this has done nothing but reaffirm my initial feelings.
Interesting topic and one that even though maybe negative in nature brings up some good points not only about this artist but other artists as well that maybe are on fire in the print release sense. Maybe the Gallery knows best as he has stated he is buying Dot Dot images still, or maybe someone like nuart can chime in to the canon of the artist. I have never been one to judge an artist by what he sells, there are plenty of s**t successful artists. I take other professionals opinions and I haven't heard a good enough argument in his favor yet except that those that hold his work more hold it for flipping and up selling for profit then actual sentiment for the image. There was one person talking about the artwork being appreciated as such which know one can argue is a invalid reason to own someones art, yet that person isnt trying to sell it or flip it either which brings the original question that I haven't seen been answered yet. Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say. If speculating then it seems Dot dot is a great commodity according to your answers to the question, yet if collecting I am not sure that is the case as I take it from your answers as well. I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. I dont have those answers as this is not my expertise, but maybe someone on the forum does and you guys can have a more civil discussion that involves actual opinion based on your beliefs about art not Money. Money always exists as a part of art, but in my opinion should never enter ones decision in accumulating it. " I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. " "Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say." thanks so much for contributing graffuturism. To be honest i feel like i am trading down if i was trading for a dotdotdot and nobody has given me any reason to think otherwise. My aim was to understand what i was missing here about dotdotdot that so many people seem to get... but it doesn't seem like many people know why they are buying except to speculate. most think i should jump on the bandwagon and speculate also but thats never been my aim i don't like this dotdotdot stuff personally but was open to being shown that my judgement was incorrect but this has done nothing but reaffirm my initial feelings.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by pcant on Dec 31, 2013 4:48:51 GMT 1, No one can convince you to like the print/canvas if you don't. Not sure what you were looking for in the way of convincing. Lots of prints are bought as speculation (look at most recent Faile releases), but that doesn't mean that no one likes the image, or that you should like it more if it cost more. It is indeed true, as you say, that you would feel like you were "trading down" to get a dotdotdot, but you don't like his work anyway, so why would you take one in trade? I guess I'm having trouble figuring out what you're looking for here. Are you looking for someone to tell you why you should like his work? No one but you can tell you that. I like the image. I like it enough to trade another piece of art for it. As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting the piece for my wall that I want and giving up something someone else wants more. Seems pretty straightforward, and whether you like the print enough to make the same deal is irrelevant.
No one can convince you to like the print/canvas if you don't. Not sure what you were looking for in the way of convincing. Lots of prints are bought as speculation (look at most recent Faile releases), but that doesn't mean that no one likes the image, or that you should like it more if it cost more. It is indeed true, as you say, that you would feel like you were "trading down" to get a dotdotdot, but you don't like his work anyway, so why would you take one in trade? I guess I'm having trouble figuring out what you're looking for here. Are you looking for someone to tell you why you should like his work? No one but you can tell you that. I like the image. I like it enough to trade another piece of art for it. As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting the piece for my wall that I want and giving up something someone else wants more. Seems pretty straightforward, and whether you like the print enough to make the same deal is irrelevant.
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by BKBOI on Dec 31, 2013 6:00:50 GMT 1, This will answer OP's question....
Nov 1, 2013 6:09:52 GMT -5 All Rights Destroyed said: This (until now) secret Dot Dot Dot piece was recently revealed in Nydalen in Oslo. Estimated value; over 100.000 NOK, about 16.000 USD.
Read more at www.splitcitymagazine.com (PS: Google translated text)
This will answer OP's question.... Nov 1, 2013 6:09:52 GMT -5 All Rights Destroyed said: This (until now) secret Dot Dot Dot piece was recently revealed in Nydalen in Oslo. Estimated value; over 100.000 NOK, about 16.000 USD. Read more at www.splitcitymagazine.com (PS: Google translated text)
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Dotdotdot... why are people buying this???, by FЯ on Dec 31, 2013 10:29:44 GMT 1, Interesting topic and one that even though maybe negative in nature brings up some good points not only about this artist but other artists as well that maybe are on fire in the print release sense. Maybe the Gallery knows best as he has stated he is buying Dot Dot images still, or maybe someone like nuart can chime in to the canon of the artist. I have never been one to judge an artist by what he sells, there are plenty of s**t successful artists. I take other professionals opinions and I haven't heard a good enough argument in his favor yet except that those that hold his work more hold it for flipping and up selling for profit then actual sentiment for the image. There was one person talking about the artwork being appreciated as such which know one can argue is a invalid reason to own someones art, yet that person isnt trying to sell it or flip it either which brings the original question that I haven't seen been answered yet. Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say. If speculating then it seems Dot dot is a great commodity according to your answers to the question, yet if collecting I am not sure that is the case as I take it from your answers as well. I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. I dont have those answers as this is not my expertise, but maybe someone on the forum does and you guys can have a more civil discussion that involves actual opinion based on your beliefs about art not Money. Money always exists as a part of art, but in my opinion should never enter ones decision in accumulating it. " I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. " "Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say." thanks so much for contributing graffuturism. To be honest i feel like i am trading down if i was trading for a dotdotdot and nobody has given me any reason to think otherwise. My aim was to understand what i was missing here about dotdotdot that so many people seem to get... but it doesn't seem like many people know why they are buying except to speculate. most think i should jump on the bandwagon and speculate also but thats never been my aim i don't like this dotdotdot stuff personally but was open to being shown that my judgement was incorrect but this has done nothing but reaffirm my initial feelings. Kopite, i think you initially tried to get an anti-dot dot dot thread going but you have found yourself in a roundabout way explaining why you do not like his stuff.
Why not just say that, there is nothing wrong with it.
why do you need others to explain to you why people are buying? The answer to that is.... For many different reasons and all different from each other. If you prefer droopy manga tits, then stick to that. Buy what you like, not everyone else.
Interesting topic and one that even though maybe negative in nature brings up some good points not only about this artist but other artists as well that maybe are on fire in the print release sense. Maybe the Gallery knows best as he has stated he is buying Dot Dot images still, or maybe someone like nuart can chime in to the canon of the artist. I have never been one to judge an artist by what he sells, there are plenty of s**t successful artists. I take other professionals opinions and I haven't heard a good enough argument in his favor yet except that those that hold his work more hold it for flipping and up selling for profit then actual sentiment for the image. There was one person talking about the artwork being appreciated as such which know one can argue is a invalid reason to own someones art, yet that person isnt trying to sell it or flip it either which brings the original question that I haven't seen been answered yet. Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say. If speculating then it seems Dot dot is a great commodity according to your answers to the question, yet if collecting I am not sure that is the case as I take it from your answers as well. I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. I dont have those answers as this is not my expertise, but maybe someone on the forum does and you guys can have a more civil discussion that involves actual opinion based on your beliefs about art not Money. Money always exists as a part of art, but in my opinion should never enter ones decision in accumulating it. " I haven't heard enough arguments for the relevance of the artists work except in currency value as trade. Its a slippery slope one I am sure most speculators are ok with. The question still stands about the value of the artists work for now and the future, the real value not the economic value. What does an artist contribute to the scene and the genre as a whole, what separates this artist from his peers and brings to the conversation some great art. " "Why should kopite take the work of Dot Dot serious in trade, what is he missing that everyone else is getting. If as some of you say he should also trade in Dot Dot in order to trade up and get better artists work, or that he should jump on the bandwagon as well if there is one so to say." thanks so much for contributing graffuturism. To be honest i feel like i am trading down if i was trading for a dotdotdot and nobody has given me any reason to think otherwise. My aim was to understand what i was missing here about dotdotdot that so many people seem to get... but it doesn't seem like many people know why they are buying except to speculate. most think i should jump on the bandwagon and speculate also but thats never been my aim i don't like this dotdotdot stuff personally but was open to being shown that my judgement was incorrect but this has done nothing but reaffirm my initial feelings. Kopite, i think you initially tried to get an anti-dot dot dot thread going but you have found yourself in a roundabout way explaining why you do not like his stuff. Why not just say that, there is nothing wrong with it. why do you need others to explain to you why people are buying? The answer to that is.... For many different reasons and all different from each other. If you prefer droopy manga tits, then stick to that. Buy what you like, not everyone else.
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