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Does it matter , an artist's attitude , by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 20:49:14 GMT 1, Would love to hear some allaboratoon on this point with Ai Wei Wei eg look at his Tate video on the Sunflower seeds this is. Ai Wei Wei himself www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/unilever-series-ai-weiwei/videoworkers paid less than a pound an hour rumour that much less than that. remember it was closed down at the Tate due to the dangers of breathing in the dust. There were also traces of lead in he seeds. Notice how not one person in the production has a protective mask both workers and the miners etc in the whole video not one mask but they are available and worn in most factories sureley Ai Wei Wei ethics and morals etc should extend to this. Or would it have put the price up notice throughout the video the use of water shots of streams etc. there seems no protection of the local water table and the water from the porcelain washing away including its lead and it's dust. Notice as it shows him parading around the workshop where the painting is being done. HE Struts the workers work head down speaking when spoken to by him the young girl who he thanks for painting so many seeds she says no need I got paid she earned. 2000-3000 rmb that's 2-300 pounds So one needs to look at the ethics and abuse of the art so loved which is portrayed at highlighting exploitation and yet involved a huge amount of exploitation in its production. this his video not the Chinese governments these are his workers that he parades around he sees nothing wrong with this at all so one does have to ask questions of him Listen to how he speaks during the video as the big benefactor giving to these poor people who have so little etch is very condescending belittling tone. The year of the seed production it's revenue was less than one. 40th of the towns porcelain revenue production so he was a bit of an exploiter rather than the big benefactor he makes out. Notice when he talks to the workers they just talk to him and give home the reverence of a big customer they earn money from him there is no love for him or his project every conversation and interaction on the video is about work and production. They are to small to be told the concept and give their views on the seeds just producers for the western piece of art he is making not nce does he ask their views or opinions What is also apparent here from the people working in their homes and the girl interviewed where she says did enough for 2-3000 rmb is that they are being paid piecemeal. Eg not only did he not pay his tax but he is not paying theirs either or their pension contribution or their healthcare. They are not officially employed by him therefore have no worker rights. He says he wants the work done in the home as traditional but think what he really means is cheap and off books. So he brings dangerous silica dust and lead containing paints into their homes where you can see food kitchens and children playing. Seems he shouts morals and rights but has little himself and cares little for these peoples rights. Isn't it funny that different people can get completely different meanings from the same thing. You're funny johnnyh. Hugs.
Would love to hear some allaboratoon on this point with Ai Wei Wei eg look at his Tate video on the Sunflower seeds this is. Ai Wei Wei himself www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/unilever-series-ai-weiwei/videoworkers paid less than a pound an hour rumour that much less than that. remember it was closed down at the Tate due to the dangers of breathing in the dust. There were also traces of lead in he seeds. Notice how not one person in the production has a protective mask both workers and the miners etc in the whole video not one mask but they are available and worn in most factories sureley Ai Wei Wei ethics and morals etc should extend to this. Or would it have put the price up notice throughout the video the use of water shots of streams etc. there seems no protection of the local water table and the water from the porcelain washing away including its lead and it's dust. Notice as it shows him parading around the workshop where the painting is being done. HE Struts the workers work head down speaking when spoken to by him the young girl who he thanks for painting so many seeds she says no need I got paid she earned. 2000-3000 rmb that's 2-300 pounds So one needs to look at the ethics and abuse of the art so loved which is portrayed at highlighting exploitation and yet involved a huge amount of exploitation in its production. this his video not the Chinese governments these are his workers that he parades around he sees nothing wrong with this at all so one does have to ask questions of him Listen to how he speaks during the video as the big benefactor giving to these poor people who have so little etch is very condescending belittling tone. The year of the seed production it's revenue was less than one. 40th of the towns porcelain revenue production so he was a bit of an exploiter rather than the big benefactor he makes out. Notice when he talks to the workers they just talk to him and give home the reverence of a big customer they earn money from him there is no love for him or his project every conversation and interaction on the video is about work and production. They are to small to be told the concept and give their views on the seeds just producers for the western piece of art he is making not nce does he ask their views or opinions What is also apparent here from the people working in their homes and the girl interviewed where she says did enough for 2-3000 rmb is that they are being paid piecemeal. Eg not only did he not pay his tax but he is not paying theirs either or their pension contribution or their healthcare. They are not officially employed by him therefore have no worker rights. He says he wants the work done in the home as traditional but think what he really means is cheap and off books. So he brings dangerous silica dust and lead containing paints into their homes where you can see food kitchens and children playing. Seems he shouts morals and rights but has little himself and cares little for these peoples rights. Isn't it funny that different people can get completely different meanings from the same thing. You're funny johnnyh. Hugs.
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Does it matter , an artist's attitude , by sin on Feb 11, 2014 21:34:44 GMT 1, im sorry, im not sure i get this whole "i have to like you as a person to collect your shit" conversation. Pollak was a coksucker by many accounts (for those of you sensative to language I mean a person who is meanspirited and off putting, not a suggestion that his sucked cock, is gay or that in anyway that is bad). I've heard the same of Rothko and many other artists. It just doesnt matter to me. They give me a ton of themselves through the work, why must i ask to be treated as an important part of their day because of it. Do I appreciate when it happens, yes, but just like with women I prefer when the interest in genuine and not just because I am paying them money. Making artist whores demeans them. Logan Hicks, who I have had the pleasure of working with in the past can be gruff, I'm sure I'm not the only person that has said that about Logan. However, I found the genuine treathment refreshing. I was working on project with him and Logan is a stud, he can organize a project well and he can execute really really well. I expect someone who is at the top of their game to be demanding and I dont expect him to wipe my ass because I purchased something from him. He gave me what I came for and that was great art. Smiles are free at mcdonalds.
im sorry, im not sure i get this whole "i have to like you as a person to collect your shit" conversation. Pollak was a coksucker by many accounts (for those of you sensative to language I mean a person who is meanspirited and off putting, not a suggestion that his sucked cock, is gay or that in anyway that is bad). I've heard the same of Rothko and many other artists. It just doesnt matter to me. They give me a ton of themselves through the work, why must i ask to be treated as an important part of their day because of it. Do I appreciate when it happens, yes, but just like with women I prefer when the interest in genuine and not just because I am paying them money. Making artist whores demeans them. Logan Hicks, who I have had the pleasure of working with in the past can be gruff, I'm sure I'm not the only person that has said that about Logan. However, I found the genuine treathment refreshing. I was working on project with him and Logan is a stud, he can organize a project well and he can execute really really well. I expect someone who is at the top of their game to be demanding and I dont expect him to wipe my ass because I purchased something from him. He gave me what I came for and that was great art. Smiles are free at mcdonalds.
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bmerel
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Does it matter , an artist's attitude , by bmerel on Feb 11, 2014 23:02:19 GMT 1, Well said, Sin. All in all , if you're GENUINE, that's all I personally care about. I hate bullshit and blubbery. Whatever you are , just be THAT.
Well said, Sin. All in all , if you're GENUINE, that's all I personally care about. I hate bullshit and blubbery. Whatever you are , just be THAT.
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johnnyh
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Does it matter , an artist's attitude , by johnnyh on Feb 12, 2014 18:27:58 GMT 1, Mike what you do not understand is China has a lot of employment laws all of which are designed to protect workers all the things in this video break them. You honestly believe the bit about work make a cup of tea etc. this is basically slave labour getting grandma's wives and children to produce. Seeds on the cheap.
The area does not have big unemployment problems etc. the ceramics industry there also has many modern production facilities.
Look at the vid they have big bags of those seeds. Look at the water at bless in his production vid this is not correct. You believe what you wish to believe but on the basis that this type of thing was one of his big campaigns when looking at the schools quite rightly he obviously knows much better than this. Likewise the wages he was paying were very low even by Chinese labour standards. Likewise employing people like this he paid none of their other dues as workers like their pension contributions. The women which they mainly were go no wage protection or payment if the became pregnant etc.
Look below the surface and you see a completely different picture.
Mike what you do not understand is China has a lot of employment laws all of which are designed to protect workers all the things in this video break them. You honestly believe the bit about work make a cup of tea etc. this is basically slave labour getting grandma's wives and children to produce. Seeds on the cheap.
The area does not have big unemployment problems etc. the ceramics industry there also has many modern production facilities.
Look at the vid they have big bags of those seeds. Look at the water at bless in his production vid this is not correct. You believe what you wish to believe but on the basis that this type of thing was one of his big campaigns when looking at the schools quite rightly he obviously knows much better than this. Likewise the wages he was paying were very low even by Chinese labour standards. Likewise employing people like this he paid none of their other dues as workers like their pension contributions. The women which they mainly were go no wage protection or payment if the became pregnant etc.
Look below the surface and you see a completely different picture.
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Does it matter , an artist's attitude , by dazarino on Feb 12, 2014 20:58:06 GMT 1, There's an artist who ripped off someone a good friend of mine knows. The artist ripped her off about ยฃ2k which she lent them (she thought they were friends) and blew it mainly on drugs. This artist sometimes posts on this forum but I will never buy from them. Me neither mate I hope he reads your post..the p*ick Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
There's an artist who ripped off someone a good friend of mine knows. The artist ripped her off about ยฃ2k which she lent them (she thought they were friends) and blew it mainly on drugs. This artist sometimes posts on this forum but I will never buy from them. Me neither mate I hope he reads your post..the p*ick Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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