petro
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by petro on Feb 28, 2014 2:49:42 GMT 1, yeah bad news/ worse thing with this is unfortunately its probably someone that has been in your house before so they know where the print is exactly and just went straight for it My thoughts exactly.
yeah bad news/ worse thing with this is unfortunately its probably someone that has been in your house before so they know where the print is exactly and just went straight for it My thoughts exactly.
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Damien
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Damien on Feb 28, 2014 2:53:29 GMT 1, hopefully you'll get enough on the insurance to buy another one, good news that it was insured
hopefully you'll get enough on the insurance to buy another one, good news that it was insured
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dotdot
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by dotdot on Feb 28, 2014 9:18:27 GMT 1, Sorry to hear this , certainly makes everyone think about who what why.
As others have said if you're , as I'm sure you are , all registered with pow etc the work won't appear at auction... As they wont deal with a work without pc .. But it may appear on the bay with a lowish bin , so be weary out there people !!
Otherwise I do hope you get it back and ,again , hope your kids and other half are safe and not thinking of moving as a result of this...
All the best
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Sorry to hear this , certainly makes everyone think about who what why.
As others have said if you're , as I'm sure you are , all registered with pow etc the work won't appear at auction... As they wont deal with a work without pc .. But it may appear on the bay with a lowish bin , so be weary out there people !!
Otherwise I do hope you get it back and ,again , hope your kids and other half are safe and not thinking of moving as a result of this...
All the best
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Poster Bob
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Poster Bob on Feb 28, 2014 10:57:10 GMT 1, Thieves that would know that this is valuable would be aware that police and victims monitor Ebay for stolen items and bit list it. Everything he posted makes it sound like steal to order. The easiest way to sell it would be to remove it from the frame, tube it, and ship it to a foreign country with a large art market like China where a buyer wouldn't even know to ask for a COA and has more money than sense.
Thieves that would know that this is valuable would be aware that police and victims monitor Ebay for stolen items and bit list it. Everything he posted makes it sound like steal to order. The easiest way to sell it would be to remove it from the frame, tube it, and ship it to a foreign country with a large art market like China where a buyer wouldn't even know to ask for a COA and has more money than sense.
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floubi
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by floubi on Feb 28, 2014 11:14:28 GMT 1, I'm sorry to hear that... good you have a good insurance . Keep us posted if POW comes back to you with a good news!
I'm sorry to hear that... good you have a good insurance . Keep us posted if POW comes back to you with a good news!
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chads007
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by chads007 on Feb 28, 2014 11:21:30 GMT 1, yeah bad news/ worse thing with this is unfortunately its probably someone that has been in your house before so they know where the print is exactly and just went straight for it My thoughts exactly.
Bet it makes people weary about mentioning what they own especially if they know where you live
Op-any 'friends' or work colleagues seen it recently or commented on value recently?
yeah bad news/ worse thing with this is unfortunately its probably someone that has been in your house before so they know where the print is exactly and just went straight for it My thoughts exactly. Bet it makes people weary about mentioning what they own especially if they know where you live Op-any 'friends' or work colleagues seen it recently or commented on value recently?
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stylus
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by stylus on Feb 28, 2014 12:44:04 GMT 1, Really sad to hear. I hope you either manage to recover the print, or the insurance comes good.
The crazy prices that Banksys fetch nowadays makes a collection as much of a liability as it is an asset. A big part of me wishes that the secondary market prices matched the original release prices. Not so that I could hoover up lots of prints cheaply, but so that the value didn't matter... it could just be about the art. But I dream...
Really sad to hear. I hope you either manage to recover the print, or the insurance comes good.
The crazy prices that Banksys fetch nowadays makes a collection as much of a liability as it is an asset. A big part of me wishes that the secondary market prices matched the original release prices. Not so that I could hoover up lots of prints cheaply, but so that the value didn't matter... it could just be about the art. But I dream...
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by dbm on Mar 1, 2014 3:02:39 GMT 1, Sorry for your loss!
I sincerely hope it is recovered in original condition and returned to you in the very near future!! And the F**k who took it gets his up and comings!
Sorry for your loss!
I sincerely hope it is recovered in original condition and returned to you in the very near future!! And the F**k who took it gets his up and comings!
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spaceshrew
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by spaceshrew on Mar 2, 2014 10:17:23 GMT 1, I've just watched my neighbours CCTV footage, unreal shows the theft as clear as day.
He waits for my wife to leave, then turns up outside my house, he's in a Europecar hire van,
one guy, he gets out with a crowbar in hand, 57 seconds later leaves with Stop and Search nothing else.
Targeted, very professional, and he had time to take more, so it looks like it's stolen to order, he even shut the dinning room door behind him to stop the dog running out.
I live in a row of terrace houses, no hesitation where he was going.
If i can find a way to upload this i will, i have to say it's heart breaking to watch him leaving with my print.
You can see the man and the van, Police now have a way to trace him, and hopefully find out who ordered my print.
I've just watched my neighbours CCTV footage, unreal shows the theft as clear as day.
He waits for my wife to leave, then turns up outside my house, he's in a Europecar hire van,
one guy, he gets out with a crowbar in hand, 57 seconds later leaves with Stop and Search nothing else.
Targeted, very professional, and he had time to take more, so it looks like it's stolen to order, he even shut the dinning room door behind him to stop the dog running out.
I live in a row of terrace houses, no hesitation where he was going.
If i can find a way to upload this i will, i have to say it's heart breaking to watch him leaving with my print.
You can see the man and the van, Police now have a way to trace him, and hopefully find out who ordered my print.
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Cornish Crayon
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 2, 2014 10:37:37 GMT 1, That's a huge leap in the right direction buddy, makes me sick think in somebody who knew it was there thought it was ok to help themselves
That's a huge leap in the right direction buddy, makes me sick think in somebody who knew it was there thought it was ok to help themselves
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rillo
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by rillo on Mar 2, 2014 10:40:47 GMT 1, You should register the loss here. If it ever comes up for sale in the future and someone checks the register it will be flagged as stolen with your name on file.
www.artloss.com/en
You should register the loss here. If it ever comes up for sale in the future and someone checks the register it will be flagged as stolen with your name on file. www.artloss.com/en
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spaceshrew
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by spaceshrew on Mar 7, 2014 11:47:02 GMT 1, Update on my stolen print.
PC and POW have been great, they're on full alert to anything suspicious, they got back to me straight away, and were very concerned.
The insurance broker i use Brownhill, have been equally good, the policy is with 'AXA art'. They have got back to me within a week to say they will pay to replace my print, and cover the cost of reframing it. I have to say i wouldn't insure with anyone else after this faultless service.
Update on my stolen print.
PC and POW have been great, they're on full alert to anything suspicious, they got back to me straight away, and were very concerned.
The insurance broker i use Brownhill, have been equally good, the policy is with 'AXA art'. They have got back to me within a week to say they will pay to replace my print, and cover the cost of reframing it. I have to say i wouldn't insure with anyone else after this faultless service.
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eschiff
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by eschiff on Mar 7, 2014 11:49:07 GMT 1, that's great news man! Also, selfishly, nice to hear Brownhill have been good as I insure with them as well. Are they paying what the piece was declared at on the policy or its true replacement value (if those aren't the same).
that's great news man! Also, selfishly, nice to hear Brownhill have been good as I insure with them as well. Are they paying what the piece was declared at on the policy or its true replacement value (if those aren't the same).
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spaceshrew
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by spaceshrew on Mar 7, 2014 11:57:15 GMT 1, Thanks!
The true replacement value, though i guess prices are changing all the time at the moment, and only going in one direction. I just hope i can find one soon.
They are excellent you should rest assured , genuinely concerned and wanted to help put this nightmare behind us as soon as possible.
Thanks!
The true replacement value, though i guess prices are changing all the time at the moment, and only going in one direction. I just hope i can find one soon.
They are excellent you should rest assured , genuinely concerned and wanted to help put this nightmare behind us as soon as possible.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by spaceshrew on Mar 7, 2014 12:21:40 GMT 1, It's a simple policy that blanket covers all your art up to a certain price bracket, in 50k chunks i think. You don't need to individually name works.
For example 50k would be aprox ยฃ300, 100k would be ยฃ400 and so on.
I guess it depends on where you live, i really would never be without insurance after this, you never think it'll happen to you.
It's a simple policy that blanket covers all your art up to a certain price bracket, in 50k chunks i think. You don't need to individually name works.
For example 50k would be aprox ยฃ300, 100k would be ยฃ400 and so on.
I guess it depends on where you live, i really would never be without insurance after this, you never think it'll happen to you.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by minibear on Mar 7, 2014 14:13:54 GMT 1, Great news OP.
Great news OP.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by fairplay1974 on Mar 7, 2014 14:33:03 GMT 1, SS this sucks big time and I really feel for you and your family having your home violated in such a way by such scum.... But I also tip my hat to you for that way you've handled it, shared the story and passed on very useful information should anyone else on this board ever be unfortunate enough to have similar happen to them.
SS this sucks big time and I really feel for you and your family having your home violated in such a way by such scum.... But I also tip my hat to you for that way you've handled it, shared the story and passed on very useful information should anyone else on this board ever be unfortunate enough to have similar happen to them.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 10:55:22 GMT 1, I've just watched my neighbours CCTV footage, unreal shows the theft as clear as day. He waits for my wife to leave, then turns up outside my house, he's in a Europecar hire van, one guy, he gets out with a crowbar in hand, 57 seconds later leaves with Stop and Search nothing else. Targeted, very professional, and he had time to take more, so it looks like it's stolen to order, he even shut the dinning room door behind him to stop the dog running out. I live in a row of terrace houses, no hesitation where he was going. If i can find a way to upload this i will, i have to say it's heart breaking to watch him leaving with my print. You can see the man and the van, Police now have a way to trace him, and hopefully find out who ordered my print.
In light of recent posts, I was reminded of this terrible incident.
Just wondering how the police got on with the caseโฆ they should have caught someone shouldn't they?
I hope you've been able to replace what was lost but it seems you had it coveredโฆ better than most.
ALTHOUGH... I don't have much faith in the police after a dental appointment card was left at a girlfriends place by a burglar... but somehow they never caught the burglar?!!?
I've just watched my neighbours CCTV footage, unreal shows the theft as clear as day. He waits for my wife to leave, then turns up outside my house, he's in a Europecar hire van, one guy, he gets out with a crowbar in hand, 57 seconds later leaves with Stop and Search nothing else. Targeted, very professional, and he had time to take more, so it looks like it's stolen to order, he even shut the dinning room door behind him to stop the dog running out. I live in a row of terrace houses, no hesitation where he was going. If i can find a way to upload this i will, i have to say it's heart breaking to watch him leaving with my print. You can see the man and the van, Police now have a way to trace him, and hopefully find out who ordered my print. In light of recent posts, I was reminded of this terrible incident. Just wondering how the police got on with the caseโฆ they should have caught someone shouldn't they? I hope you've been able to replace what was lost but it seems you had it coveredโฆ better than most. ALTHOUGH... I don't have much faith in the police after a dental appointment card was left at a girlfriends place by a burglar... but somehow they never caught the burglar?!!?
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Dr Plip
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Dr Plip on Jun 29, 2014 14:03:20 GMT 1, The only logic I can see in this is that they wanted a original to copy? Was the original expencive or hard to get in the beginning? I don't know about its original cost, but I believe it was both expensive and hard to get at the time it was stolen. But mainly expensive.
The only logic I can see in this is that they wanted a original to copy? Was the original expencive or hard to get in the beginning? I don't know about its original cost, but I believe it was both expensive and hard to get at the time it was stolen. But mainly expensive.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 15:33:46 GMT 1, Mhm, I googled the image. It is with many details, blurry and very fine drawn lines. Not easy to copy through a picture. My guess is they needed a original to scan, and copy. Probably on total different location on earth, there are very good copys sold as originals at gallerys maybe even. I think most people agree on here - me included - that it was a steal-to-order. Someone knew it was there, wanted it, and didn't care about the COA or anything. They paid some thugs with a van to break into the house and take it, and now it's on that person's wall in his/her weird private shrine.
Really terrible story. Really. I hope everything has gotten better.
Mhm, I googled the image. It is with many details, blurry and very fine drawn lines. Not easy to copy through a picture. My guess is they needed a original to scan, and copy. Probably on total different location on earth, there are very good copys sold as originals at gallerys maybe even. I think most people agree on here - me included - that it was a steal-to-order. Someone knew it was there, wanted it, and didn't care about the COA or anything. They paid some thugs with a van to break into the house and take it, and now it's on that person's wall in his/her weird private shrine. Really terrible story. Really. I hope everything has gotten better.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 16:53:05 GMT 1, But so strange? It would cost someone to order one that way? Who with money would like to have a stolen piece? I don't get it. Really really strange. Why order just that specific one? There are plenty for sale, at different cost. I meant it was likely someone local who saw the piece in the house, and wanted it. Someone without enough money to buy a Banksy, but with enough money to pay off two robbers to snatch it from the house.
Paying robbers costs probably $100-200, whereas paying for a S&S at the time was probably around $4,000.
But so strange? It would cost someone to order one that way? Who with money would like to have a stolen piece? I don't get it. Really really strange. Why order just that specific one? There are plenty for sale, at different cost. I meant it was likely someone local who saw the piece in the house, and wanted it. Someone without enough money to buy a Banksy, but with enough money to pay off two robbers to snatch it from the house. Paying robbers costs probably $100-200, whereas paying for a S&S at the time was probably around $4,000.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 17:19:05 GMT 1, It is still a stolen print. A Banksy on the wall will draw attention to it. Who would like attention for a stolen one. Pay burglares? Just for a image that can't see the daylight. Still think the motive would be money, a stolen print wont make that money. The same people that buy/are interested in all other stolen art. I.e. a drug kingpin with a stolen Rembrandt on the wall, people like that. Usually the type of people/place where the fact that it's stolen doesn't even matter, as long as it's real. Unfortunate, but it happens and those people/places exist.
I know this sounds ridiculous, but look at WWII - happened everywhere.
It is still a stolen print. A Banksy on the wall will draw attention to it. Who would like attention for a stolen one. Pay burglares? Just for a image that can't see the daylight. Still think the motive would be money, a stolen print wont make that money. The same people that buy/are interested in all other stolen art. I.e. a drug kingpin with a stolen Rembrandt on the wall, people like that. Usually the type of people/place where the fact that it's stolen doesn't even matter, as long as it's real. Unfortunate, but it happens and those people/places exist. I know this sounds ridiculous, but look at WWII - happened everywhere.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 17:40:03 GMT 1, Of course. But these are prints. Not ireplaclable originals from someone dead by long? Yeah, so probably a low-level criminal who can't afford to fund a museum-level art heist, but wants a Banksy print on his wall so he throws guys a few hundred to steal one and bring it to him/her.
That's the only way I see it making sense - they wouldn't be able to make any substantial money on the print by selling it to anyone, since everyone would know it's stolen or think it's fake due to lack of provenance. The only way the theft makes sense really is if it was stolen for personal use (example, if you do the math, a $4,000 print at the time wouldn't get any more than $2,000 on the secondary market if it was stolen; if they were after $2,000 they would've taken other things probably).
Basically, IMO, someone saw the print in the house and wanted it for him/herself. That person paid people to break into the house and take it, and bring it to him/her, probably for a few hundred bucks. Really, the fact that it's a print is what makes me think it was for personal use, rather than black market resale or anything, since black market resale value for a stolen print like that, I imagine, would be less than the other valuables in the house that the person didn't steal.
Of course. But these are prints. Not ireplaclable originals from someone dead by long? Yeah, so probably a low-level criminal who can't afford to fund a museum-level art heist, but wants a Banksy print on his wall so he throws guys a few hundred to steal one and bring it to him/her. That's the only way I see it making sense - they wouldn't be able to make any substantial money on the print by selling it to anyone, since everyone would know it's stolen or think it's fake due to lack of provenance. The only way the theft makes sense really is if it was stolen for personal use (example, if you do the math, a $4,000 print at the time wouldn't get any more than $2,000 on the secondary market if it was stolen; if they were after $2,000 they would've taken other things probably). Basically, IMO, someone saw the print in the house and wanted it for him/herself. That person paid people to break into the house and take it, and bring it to him/her, probably for a few hundred bucks. Really, the fact that it's a print is what makes me think it was for personal use, rather than black market resale or anything, since black market resale value for a stolen print like that, I imagine, would be less than the other valuables in the house that the person didn't steal.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by spaceshrew on Jul 9, 2014 19:27:36 GMT 1, Quick update for you all on my stolen print. Basically the Poilce did have a suspect, but sadly could not place them to the crime, and yes they've been to my house and are on this forum and will be even reading this, beware folks.
Since this happened all my Banksy's are in a secure storage, where they'll stay until i move one day, taken the pleasure out of it all to be honest. The wife won't let me have any in the house anymore, we have kids and this has really traumastised them.
Quick update for you all on my stolen print. Basically the Poilce did have a suspect, but sadly could not place them to the crime, and yes they've been to my house and are on this forum and will be even reading this, beware folks. Since this happened all my Banksy's are in a secure storage, where they'll stay until i move one day, taken the pleasure out of it all to be honest. The wife won't let me have any in the house anymore, we have kids and this has really traumastised them.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 19:35:38 GMT 1, Thats so bad, if they are reading karma will catch up with you, assholes. Its a shame you cant name but they'll get their own soon enough. Sorry fella
Thats so bad, if they are reading karma will catch up with you, assholes. Its a shame you cant name but they'll get their own soon enough. Sorry fella
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Fะฏ on Jul 9, 2014 19:38:31 GMT 1, Quick update for you all on my stolen print. Basically the Poilce did have a suspect, but sadly could not place them to the crime, and yes they've been to my house and are on this forum and will be even reading this, beware folks. Since this happened all my Banksy's are in a secure storage, where they'll stay until i move one day, taken the pleasure out of it all to be honest. The wife won't let me have any in the house anymore, we have kids and this has really traumastised them. Maybe show this to @sceptic
urbanartassociation.com/thread/118354/banksy-prints
deleted his post with his address in but its still online on a record.
Quick update for you all on my stolen print. Basically the Poilce did have a suspect, but sadly could not place them to the crime, and yes they've been to my house and are on this forum and will be even reading this, beware folks. Since this happened all my Banksy's are in a secure storage, where they'll stay until i move one day, taken the pleasure out of it all to be honest. The wife won't let me have any in the house anymore, we have kids and this has really traumastised them. Maybe show this to @sceptic urbanartassociation.com/thread/118354/banksy-printsdeleted his post with his address in but its still online on a record.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Coach on Jul 9, 2014 19:40:31 GMT 1, Gutted for you. That's really sad.
Gutted for you. That's really sad.
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Blakeies
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Blakeies on Jul 9, 2014 19:51:46 GMT 1, Thats so bad, if they are reading karma will catch up with you, assholes. Its a shame you cant name but they'll get their own soon enough. Sorry fella
I'd just name them...
Thats so bad, if they are reading karma will catch up with you, assholes. Its a shame you cant name but they'll get their own soon enough. Sorry fella I'd just name them...
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Dr Plip
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Dr Plip on Jul 9, 2014 19:52:26 GMT 1, With the CCTV, the rental van, etc, I was hoping you'd get some justice at the end of this. Really awful. There are some scumbags out there.
With the CCTV, the rental van, etc, I was hoping you'd get some justice at the end of this. Really awful. There are some scumbags out there.
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STOLEN STOP AND SEARCH 71/500, by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 19:59:46 GMT 1, With the CCTV, the rental van, etc, I was hoping you'd get some justice at the end of this. Really awful. There are some scumbags out there.
On hereโฆ.
With the CCTV, the rental van, etc, I was hoping you'd get some justice at the end of this. Really awful. There are some scumbags out there. On hereโฆ.
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