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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 15:33:36 GMT 1, Disgraceful, if they were marketed as coming with a COA, then they should come with one. I ordered a couple of tshirts and expected them with a COA. I was going to gift them to someone. BNE is a joke, I will never take this guy seriously or support anything he does again. The artists should be informed that associating with this character isn't a good idea for them or their supporters. I will possibly ask for a refund after they arrive when I don't have a COA, bait and switch!!! Fair enough, its been so long that I had lost track of what i'm actually getting at this point. If they don't come with a COA I can live without that and can see the validity in the idea of the tshirt being worn to bring attention to the cause. I think I ordered an Invader t shirt and a Banksy tshirt. Well I thought it was a Banksy shirt but will wait and see what it is. 
Disgraceful, if they were marketed as coming with a COA, then they should come with one. I ordered a couple of tshirts and expected them with a COA. I was going to gift them to someone. BNE is a joke, I will never take this guy seriously or support anything he does again. The artists should be informed that associating with this character isn't a good idea for them or their supporters. I will possibly ask for a refund after they arrive when I don't have a COA, bait and switch!!! Fair enough, its been so long that I had lost track of what i'm actually getting at this point. If they don't come with a COA I can live without that and can see the validity in the idea of the tshirt being worn to bring attention to the cause. I think I ordered an Invader t shirt and a Banksy tshirt. Well I thought it was a Banksy shirt but will wait and see what it is. I hear ya. I wouldn't be surprised if I opened the package and a KwangHo Shin book fell out. |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 15:36:49 GMT 1, Totally agree it does smell rat fishy but so far all he can be accused of is bad communication.
If for example he only gives a percentage to the charity, I don't care what he says or anyone else says. It's riding on the charity to make money and get publicity.
The charity wins and so does he which in todays world is considered acceptable.
If he says that a ltd edition of 100 shirts will be produced and sold and because of demand produces and sells say an extra hundred and keeps all the money.
Technically it's fraud but hard to prove unless everyone who paid for a t shirt decided to post a pic or comment on a Facebook group etc.
If he says that the T shirts will be sold in unlimited numbers all depending on demand and for each one sold the charity gets a percentage, then thats a good policy.
It is slightly insulting to buyers to say that the first 100 get a certificate but others buyers don't also because if copies are produced and sold later, no one will know which are the genuine charity shirts.
Totally agree it does smell rat fishy but so far all he can be accused of is bad communication.
If for example he only gives a percentage to the charity, I don't care what he says or anyone else says. It's riding on the charity to make money and get publicity.
The charity wins and so does he which in todays world is considered acceptable.
If he says that a ltd edition of 100 shirts will be produced and sold and because of demand produces and sells say an extra hundred and keeps all the money.
Technically it's fraud but hard to prove unless everyone who paid for a t shirt decided to post a pic or comment on a Facebook group etc.
If he says that the T shirts will be sold in unlimited numbers all depending on demand and for each one sold the charity gets a percentage, then thats a good policy.
It is slightly insulting to buyers to say that the first 100 get a certificate but others buyers don't also because if copies are produced and sold later, no one will know which are the genuine charity shirts.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Invaded 420 on Apr 24, 2014 15:42:15 GMT 1, So the reason the coa got pulled was the charity didnt want it to seem like it was an official colab by havin there name on it. Which we know as bne took it upon himself to do work an donate to the charity. That's fair enough! all this problem the charity now has with bne is because of that buccy dude trolling and stirring shit. Thank god that charity water excepted the donation still after investigating. Goodness will always prevail. Fair play to bne! Cant wait for my ts
So the reason the coa got pulled was the charity didnt want it to seem like it was an official colab by havin there name on it. Which we know as bne took it upon himself to do work an donate to the charity. That's fair enough! all this problem the charity now has with bne is because of that buccy dude trolling and stirring shit. Thank god that charity water excepted the donation still after investigating. Goodness will always prevail. Fair play to bne! Cant wait for my ts
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Faile/BNE shirt, by balibob on Apr 24, 2014 15:42:44 GMT 1, The whole thing was just a big mess from the start, glad I was not involved in any way. As for the tee shirt, I would be tempted to throw it in the bin and just move on.
The whole thing was just a big mess from the start, glad I was not involved in any way. As for the tee shirt, I would be tempted to throw it in the bin and just move on.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Invaded 420 on Apr 24, 2014 15:45:48 GMT 1, Already some mad head got one on bay for 116£ in America. Some people have no shame
Already some mad head got one on bay for 116£ in America. Some people have no shame
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 15:47:53 GMT 1, So the reason the coa got pulled was the charity didnt want it to seem like it was an official colab by havin there name on it. Which we know as bne took it upon himself to do work an donate to the charity. That's fair enough! all this problem the charity now has with bne is because of that buccy dude trolling and stirring s**t. Thank god that charity water excepted the donation still after investigating. Goodness will always prevail. Fair play to bne! Cant wait for my ts It's a huge charity with tens of millions in donations.
I had a look at the people behind it, some hedge fund guy and similar types.
I'm sure it's legit and the money goes to the people that need it for water.
So the reason the coa got pulled was the charity didnt want it to seem like it was an official colab by havin there name on it. Which we know as bne took it upon himself to do work an donate to the charity. That's fair enough! all this problem the charity now has with bne is because of that buccy dude trolling and stirring s**t. Thank god that charity water excepted the donation still after investigating. Goodness will always prevail. Fair play to bne! Cant wait for my ts It's a huge charity with tens of millions in donations.
I had a look at the people behind it, some hedge fund guy and similar types.
I'm sure it's legit and the money goes to the people that need it for water.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:19:00 GMT 1, Really, how many times does this guy need to scam you before you realize he's a scammer? He only wants to make money, as evidenced by... let me think... everything he does. He uses the charity platform as a business model, not as any sort of attempt to 'give back.' This is why he most likely sells 5x as many shirts as the run size and pockets all the extra cash.
But yeah, I guess a guy who did all of the below seems legit on the art/giving back to the people front:
1. Faked a collaboration with an artist.
2. Attempted to guilt buyers from refunding by citing charity once fake collaboration was revealed.
3. Flouts as charity-based organization, when only 10% of profits are donated to charity. This differs from no other corporate entity; they do it for tax write-offs.
4. T-shirt business model (sketchiest model ever, absolutely no way of tracking run count or authenticity; essentially the more you print, the more profit you make due to production cost, so it encourages printing over the run size).
5. He sells three random products that are almost completely unrelated; one of which is lip balm.
6. Faile (legitimate artist) said he was sending COAs with his t-shirt, and BNE (distributor) did not, even when there is photo evidence that the COAs exist. Purposes cited have varied (shirts were not meant to be collected, charity did not want to be included); none of which make any sense when given more than a second's thought.
7. Everything he has done has been on the back of someone else.
Those are the only types of people I trust; it works erry time.
Really, how many times does this guy need to scam you before you realize he's a scammer? He only wants to make money, as evidenced by... let me think... everything he does. He uses the charity platform as a business model, not as any sort of attempt to 'give back.' This is why he most likely sells 5x as many shirts as the run size and pockets all the extra cash.
But yeah, I guess a guy who did all of the below seems legit on the art/giving back to the people front:
1. Faked a collaboration with an artist.
2. Attempted to guilt buyers from refunding by citing charity once fake collaboration was revealed.
3. Flouts as charity-based organization, when only 10% of profits are donated to charity. This differs from no other corporate entity; they do it for tax write-offs.
4. T-shirt business model (sketchiest model ever, absolutely no way of tracking run count or authenticity; essentially the more you print, the more profit you make due to production cost, so it encourages printing over the run size).
5. He sells three random products that are almost completely unrelated; one of which is lip balm.
6. Faile (legitimate artist) said he was sending COAs with his t-shirt, and BNE (distributor) did not, even when there is photo evidence that the COAs exist. Purposes cited have varied (shirts were not meant to be collected, charity did not want to be included); none of which make any sense when given more than a second's thought.
7. Everything he has done has been on the back of someone else.
Those are the only types of people I trust; it works erry time.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:23:57 GMT 1, looks like the image disappeared off of Faile's IG account.... would love to know their take on all of this
looks like the image disappeared off of Faile's IG account.... would love to know their take on all of this
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Invaded 420 on Apr 24, 2014 16:24:43 GMT 1, Did you not read the charities statement wen all this started? They even said they did t want there name involved as it wasn't an official collab. Lol obviously not gonna explain the rest as we keep goin round in circles. I brought shirts. Im gettin shirts. At no point have i ever felt scammed. Thats far from the word i would choose. I've made my thoughts known an I stand by the guy. Simple as.
Did you not read the charities statement wen all this started? They even said they did t want there name involved as it wasn't an official collab. Lol obviously not gonna explain the rest as we keep goin round in circles. I brought shirts. Im gettin shirts. At no point have i ever felt scammed. Thats far from the word i would choose. I've made my thoughts known an I stand by the guy. Simple as.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Invaded 420 on Apr 24, 2014 16:27:40 GMT 1, Felt scammed when that buccy guy didn't tell everyone his 'official' news till after the drop. Like he wanted one over on everyone. Obviously not the case but that's the only person that made me personally feel scammed.
Felt scammed when that buccy guy didn't tell everyone his 'official' news till after the drop. Like he wanted one over on everyone. Obviously not the case but that's the only person that made me personally feel scammed.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:30:07 GMT 1, Did you not read the charities statement wen all this started? They even said they did t want there name involved as it wasn't an official collab. Lol obviously not gonna explain the rest as we keep goin round in circles. I brought shirts. Im gettin shirts. At no point have i ever felt scammed. Thats far from the word i would choose. I've made my thoughts known an I stand by the guy. Simple as.
Any rational person would know that a person who bought that shirt would love to have one of those COAs (they almost look better than the shirt)
Did you not read the charities statement wen all this started? They even said they did t want there name involved as it wasn't an official collab. Lol obviously not gonna explain the rest as we keep goin round in circles. I brought shirts. Im gettin shirts. At no point have i ever felt scammed. Thats far from the word i would choose. I've made my thoughts known an I stand by the guy. Simple as. Yeah, but I also know common sense. Just cross out their name with black marker and send along the COA with a note explaining why it's crossed out. Any rational person would know that a person who bought that shirt would love to have one of those COAs (they almost look better than the shirt) |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:30:55 GMT 1, Felt scammed when that buccy guy didn't tell everyone his 'official' news till after the drop. Like he wanted one over on everyone. Obviously not the case but that's the only person that made me personally feel scammed.
I also found that odd.
Felt scammed when that buccy guy didn't tell everyone his 'official' news till after the drop. Like he wanted one over on everyone. Obviously not the case but that's the only person that made me personally feel scammed. I also found that odd. |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Invaded 420 on Apr 24, 2014 16:50:48 GMT 1, Did you not read the charities statement wen all this started? They even said they did t want there name involved as it wasn't an official collab. Lol obviously not gonna explain the rest as we keep goin round in circles. I brought shirts. Im gettin shirts. At no point have i ever felt scammed. Thats far from the word i would choose. I've made my thoughts known an I stand by the guy. Simple as. Yeah, but I also know common sense. Just cross out their name with black marker and send along the COA with a note explaining why it's crossed out. Any rational person would know that a person who bought that shirt would love to have one of those COAs (they almost look better than the shirt)
well maybe it was a joint decision by faile and bne to pull it then its not exactly bne's fault is it. It's buccys for tarnishing it as a scam an forcing charitywater to investigate an then not want there name directly tied into it. You may know common sense but that doesn't mean you have it
Did you not read the charities statement wen all this started? They even said they did t want there name involved as it wasn't an official collab. Lol obviously not gonna explain the rest as we keep goin round in circles. I brought shirts. Im gettin shirts. At no point have i ever felt scammed. Thats far from the word i would choose. I've made my thoughts known an I stand by the guy. Simple as. Yeah, but I also know common sense. Just cross out their name with black marker and send along the COA with a note explaining why it's crossed out. Any rational person would know that a person who bought that shirt would love to have one of those COAs (they almost look better than the shirt) well maybe it was a joint decision by faile and bne to pull it then its not exactly bne's fault is it. It's buccys for tarnishing it as a scam an forcing charitywater to investigate an then not want there name directly tied into it. You may know common sense but that doesn't mean you have it |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by vinzc on Apr 24, 2014 18:57:24 GMT 1, invaded-no disrespect intended my man, but you seem to be a strong defender.
Obviously no one here knows what the real story is, and all is speculation...But it's really no mystery that how this all went down, one disaster after the next, and all of the misleading/ self-serving information disseminated and then countered / corrected by the artists, is flat out shady.
There's no doubt in my mind that in an effort to make it right, Faile tried to set the story straight and go the extra mile (which they didn't need to do)...only to be countered by what is, in my opinion, complete shit / nonsensical response from BNE.
Everything that occurred here is a complete question mark. None of it makes sense.
The only thing that would make sense to me at this point would be if BNE and laminate were run by the same group.
invaded-no disrespect intended my man, but you seem to be a strong defender.
Obviously no one here knows what the real story is, and all is speculation...But it's really no mystery that how this all went down, one disaster after the next, and all of the misleading/ self-serving information disseminated and then countered / corrected by the artists, is flat out shady.
There's no doubt in my mind that in an effort to make it right, Faile tried to set the story straight and go the extra mile (which they didn't need to do)...only to be countered by what is, in my opinion, complete shit / nonsensical response from BNE.
Everything that occurred here is a complete question mark. None of it makes sense.
The only thing that would make sense to me at this point would be if BNE and laminate were run by the same group.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by shaunyboy on Apr 24, 2014 19:36:00 GMT 1, Thanks for your inquiry regarding the donation that BNE originally made to charity: water on March 22, 2014. We’ve been in contact with PayPal and wanted to provide you with an update.
BNE’s donation to charity: water was flagged by PayPal as an unauthorized payment and upon further review subsequently reversed by PayPal. charity: water is no longer in possession of this donation.
We are not in direct communication with BNE, but PayPal has informed us that they was working with BNE in the case of any refund requests.
Please let us know of any further questions and you can email BNE at info@bne.org with questions regarding payment and/or refunds.
Thanks for your inquiry regarding the donation that BNE originally made to charity: water on March 22, 2014. We’ve been in contact with PayPal and wanted to provide you with an update.
BNE’s donation to charity: water was flagged by PayPal as an unauthorized payment and upon further review subsequently reversed by PayPal. charity: water is no longer in possession of this donation.
We are not in direct communication with BNE, but PayPal has informed us that they was working with BNE in the case of any refund requests.
Please let us know of any further questions and you can email BNE at info@bne.org with questions regarding payment and/or refunds.
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 19:50:15 GMT 1, uh oh. this is going to start a shit storm
uh oh. this is going to start a shit storm
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Invaded 420 on Apr 24, 2014 20:39:12 GMT 1, Everyone is free too there own opinion an I stick by mine : ) good day to you all
Everyone is free too there own opinion an I stick by mine : ) good day to you all
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Dungle on Apr 24, 2014 21:42:21 GMT 1, Everyone is free too there own opinion an I stick by mine : ) good day to you all
the Faile statement and water charity statement make that pretty clear
Everyone is free too there own opinion an I stick by mine : ) good day to you all It's a scam and had Ben from the start. the Faile statement and water charity statement make that pretty clear |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Unica on Apr 24, 2014 23:15:19 GMT 1, Ok I may have lost the plot but am I correct that the Invader, Obey and Faile t-shirts the money went to the charity and the Banksy t-shirt (sorry surprise collaboration t-shirt) the money isn't?
Ok I may have lost the plot but am I correct that the Invader, Obey and Faile t-shirts the money went to the charity and the Banksy t-shirt (sorry surprise collaboration t-shirt) the money isn't?
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Faile/BNE shirt, by dave5150 on Apr 24, 2014 23:17:19 GMT 1, Ok I may have lost the plot but am I correct that the Invader, Obey and Faile t-shirts the money went to the charity and the Banksy t-shirt (sorry surprise collaboration t-shirt) the money isn't?
Spot on! Looks like the plot wasn't lost - just misplaced?
Ok I may have lost the plot but am I correct that the Invader, Obey and Faile t-shirts the money went to the charity and the Banksy t-shirt (sorry surprise collaboration t-shirt) the money isn't? Spot on! Looks like the plot wasn't lost - just misplaced? |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by .dappy on Apr 24, 2014 23:26:52 GMT 1,
... not quite ... You can go to the char:water/BNE website ... some money is shown as being raised c$13.1k and only c$3.7k actually donated.
... this is for their (BNE) #1st campaign and #2nd campaign - shep and then #3rd artists4water.
... working off mob so unable to post link but it is the one that BNE themselves gave in their reply to a forum member v recently on the other thread .... try this:
my.charitywater.org/bne
... not quite ... You can go to the char:water/BNE website ... some money is shown as being raised c$13.1k and only c$3.7k actually donated. ... this is for their (BNE) #1st campaign and #2nd campaign - shep and then #3rd artists4water. ... working off mob so unable to post link but it is the one that BNE themselves gave in their reply to a forum member v recently on the other thread .... try this: my.charitywater.org/bne |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Coach on Apr 24, 2014 23:56:19 GMT 1, ... not quite ... You can go to the char:water/BNE website ... some money is shown as being raised c$13.1k and only c$3.7k actually donated. ... this is for their (BNE) #1st campaign and #2nd campaign - shep and then #3rd artists4water. ... working off mob so unable to post link but it is the one that BNE themselves gave in their reply to a forum member v recently on the other thread .... try this: my.charitywater.org/bne
You could make a seperate donation. I bought the collab t shirt and made a seperate additional donation.
I think having read all this I will open a dispute for the t shirt. As the t shirt donation has been returned.
But I'm assuming the seperate donations went to the charity. Is that not right? I shall be doubly upset if the charity didn't get that either. I just don't know.
... not quite ... You can go to the char:water/BNE website ... some money is shown as being raised c$13.1k and only c$3.7k actually donated. ... this is for their (BNE) #1st campaign and #2nd campaign - shep and then #3rd artists4water. ... working off mob so unable to post link but it is the one that BNE themselves gave in their reply to a forum member v recently on the other thread .... try this: my.charitywater.org/bneYou could make a seperate donation. I bought the collab t shirt and made a seperate additional donation. I think having read all this I will open a dispute for the t shirt. As the t shirt donation has been returned. But I'm assuming the seperate donations went to the charity. Is that not right? I shall be doubly upset if the charity didn't get that either. I just don't know. |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 0:03:57 GMT 1, ... not quite ... You can go to the char:water/BNE website ... some money is shown as being raised c$13.1k and only c$3.7k actually donated. ... this is for their (BNE) #1st campaign and #2nd campaign - shep and then #3rd artists4water. ... working off mob so unable to post link but it is the one that BNE themselves gave in their reply to a forum member v recently on the other thread .... try this: my.charitywater.org/bneYou could make a seperate donation. I bought the collab t shirt and made a seperate additional donation. I think having read all this I will open a dispute for the t shirt. As the t shirt donation has been returned. But I'm assuming the seperate donations went to the charity. Is that not right? I shall be doubly upset if the charity didn't get that either. I just don't know.
... not quite ... You can go to the char:water/BNE website ... some money is shown as being raised c$13.1k and only c$3.7k actually donated. ... this is for their (BNE) #1st campaign and #2nd campaign - shep and then #3rd artists4water. ... working off mob so unable to post link but it is the one that BNE themselves gave in their reply to a forum member v recently on the other thread .... try this: my.charitywater.org/bneYou could make a seperate donation. I bought the collab t shirt and made a seperate additional donation. I think having read all this I will open a dispute for the t shirt. As the t shirt donation has been returned. But I'm assuming the seperate donations went to the charity. Is that not right? I shall be doubly upset if the charity didn't get that either. I just don't know. After buying the Invader shirts, I also made a separate donation. I believe, if I remember correctly, the separate donations went to a link directly to the water charity's web site. I could be wrong though. |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by .dappy on Apr 25, 2014 0:10:08 GMT 1,
... you are OK coach, the separate donations went straight to the charity.
even more worrying ...
... quote directly from BNE website:
'We never had an official relationship or partnership with the (water) charity.'
... you are OK coach, the separate donations went straight to the charity.
even more worrying ...
... quote directly from BNE website:
'We never had an official relationship or partnership with the (water) charity.'
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 0:52:01 GMT 1, wow I am seriously getting pissed off now. I tried posting on his IG to summarize the scam (over 100 shirts sold etc) and he deleted my post and blocked me
For the record, I have no horse in this race - I was refunded a long time ago... just trying to warn others who might not be reading this forum
wow I am seriously getting pissed off now. I tried posting on his IG to summarize the scam (over 100 shirts sold etc) and he deleted my post and blocked me
For the record, I have no horse in this race - I was refunded a long time ago... just trying to warn others who might not be reading this forum
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 0:55:04 GMT 1, he's also apparently not letting ANYONE comment on his FB page. any way else to warn people on a massive scale?
i don't mind that I didn't get a shirt, or mind that my time was wasted, but I do mind that he's scamming people, both people in it for the shirt and people who genuinely bought the shirt to support the charity
he's also apparently not letting ANYONE comment on his FB page. any way else to warn people on a massive scale?
i don't mind that I didn't get a shirt, or mind that my time was wasted, but I do mind that he's scamming people, both people in it for the shirt and people who genuinely bought the shirt to support the charity
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Rubys on Apr 25, 2014 3:31:02 GMT 1, Everyone just needs to move on and stop crying that they aren't receiving a piece of paper with their shirts.
No coa, more than 100 shirts printed. Who cares, grow up. /endthread
Everyone just needs to move on and stop crying that they aren't receiving a piece of paper with their shirts.
No coa, more than 100 shirts printed. Who cares, grow up. /endthread
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 3:57:41 GMT 1, Everyone just needs to move on and stop crying that they aren't receiving a piece of paper with their shirts. No coa, more than 100 shirts printed. Who cares, grow up. /endthread
Everyone just needs to move on and stop crying that they aren't receiving a piece of paper with their shirts. No coa, more than 100 shirts printed. Who cares, grow up. /endthread like i said - I don't care bout the shirts or COA's. I care that BNE used both his customers and the charity to exploit for personal gain |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Dungle on Apr 25, 2014 6:08:44 GMT 1, Everyone just needs to move on and stop crying that they aren't receiving a piece of paper with their shirts. No coa, more than 100 shirts printed. Who cares, grow up. /endthread like i said - I don't care bout the shirts or COA's. I care that BNE used both his customers and the charity to exploit for personal gain
Everyone just needs to move on and stop crying that they aren't receiving a piece of paper with their shirts. No coa, more than 100 shirts printed. Who cares, grow up. /endthread like i said - I don't care bout the shirts or COA's. I care that BNE used both his customers and the charity to exploit for personal gain He was always doing that. He's a business not a charity. Hence why he makes 10 k and donates 3 k on the t shirts. That's if he sold 100, when in fact he probably sold 1000's |
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Faile/BNE shirt, by Coach on Apr 25, 2014 8:27:31 GMT 1, ... you are OK coach, the separate donations went straight to the charity. even more worrying ... ... quote directly from BNE website: 'We never had an official relationship or partnership with the (water) charity.'
Thank you dappy. Good to know.
... you are OK coach, the separate donations went straight to the charity. even more worrying ... ... quote directly from BNE website: 'We never had an official relationship or partnership with the (water) charity.'
Thank you dappy. Good to know. |
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