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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 19, 2014 18:44:43 GMT 1, Are you inferring that Banksy has all / any control over the aftermarket sales on his works Hesta?, for example the original works that regularly come up for offer at auction houses?, and to a lesser extent the prints that come up for sale through Galleries?.
If not then just what does he have control over apart from the street works he does?.
What in your opinion does the Banksy Trading machine control if anything?.
Just asking.
Maybe run your theories past his PR? (lol).
Are you inferring that Banksy has all / any control over the aftermarket sales on his works Hesta?, for example the original works that regularly come up for offer at auction houses?, and to a lesser extent the prints that come up for sale through Galleries?.
If not then just what does he have control over apart from the street works he does?.
What in your opinion does the Banksy Trading machine control if anything?.
Just asking.
Maybe run your theories past his PR? (lol).
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:07:47 GMT 1, I don't see how Banksy can control anything except works he sells directly to the public at fixed prices. In fact, I assume he thinks its rediculous that his art sells for crazy prices to us morons 
I don't see how Banksy can control anything except works he sells directly to the public at fixed prices. In fact, I assume he thinks its rediculous that his art sells for crazy prices to us morons |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by gatecrasher on May 19, 2014 19:16:25 GMT 1, As I understand it a well loved artist from Bristol chose to save a community based youth project from closure by way of donating an artwork authenticated by a note to a volunteer called Denis that has dedicated 36 years.....yes 36 years of his life to running a very successful club for local youth. I personally don't think trading standards & or EU Directorate Commissions .....blah blah blah are anything to do with it and neither should they be ...... there is no can of worms and Banksy certainly hasn't opened one...... you did. Have a heart - it was a super cool gesture and doesn't need any legal jargon to discredit it. Hello forum I don't doubt Banksy's philanthropic intentions, but besides being a "well loved artist" he also runs a highly successful company. The point I'm trying to make, perhaps badly, is that there is a tranche of his work already in public ownership that is practically worthless because he refuses to acknowledge it is by him. In strictly business terms it would be in his interest to refuse to authenticate anything beyond his control because it would dilute the value of stock that he presently controls and will create in the future. In the past he has been able to justify this refusal by claiming it would leave him open to prosecution. The can he's opened is that he can't use that pretext any longer.
He doesn't need to admit didly until he's been read his rights .. the one that says "you have the right to remain silent" or his fifth amendment if he's in the US of A.
Being prosecuted because you won't admit to something that might get you prosecuted is something out of "1984"
I guess I've seen as many episodes of "Law and Order" as you hesta
As I understand it a well loved artist from Bristol chose to save a community based youth project from closure by way of donating an artwork authenticated by a note to a volunteer called Denis that has dedicated 36 years.....yes 36 years of his life to running a very successful club for local youth. I personally don't think trading standards & or EU Directorate Commissions .....blah blah blah are anything to do with it and neither should they be ...... there is no can of worms and Banksy certainly hasn't opened one...... you did. Have a heart - it was a super cool gesture and doesn't need any legal jargon to discredit it. Hello forum I don't doubt Banksy's philanthropic intentions, but besides being a "well loved artist" he also runs a highly successful company. The point I'm trying to make, perhaps badly, is that there is a tranche of his work already in public ownership that is practically worthless because he refuses to acknowledge it is by him. In strictly business terms it would be in his interest to refuse to authenticate anything beyond his control because it would dilute the value of stock that he presently controls and will create in the future. In the past he has been able to justify this refusal by claiming it would leave him open to prosecution. The can he's opened is that he can't use that pretext any longer. Most of this work was done on privately owned property and could be classed as criminal damage, which is a prosecutable offence. He doesn't need to admit didly until he's been read his rights .. the one that says "you have the right to remain silent" or his fifth amendment if he's in the US of A. Being prosecuted because you won't admit to something that might get you prosecuted is something out of "1984" I guess I've seen as many episodes of "Law and Order" as you hesta |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:23:26 GMT 1, Thats the thing though hesta, nobody can prove banksy did them unless he admits it, anyone could do banksy stencil or buy a premade one off the net and slap it up anywhere, its in public, its just not possible. Its like a drug dealer storing his drugs on the other side of his fence to his garden, anyone could have put it there, they need to be caught in the act.
Thats the thing though hesta, nobody can prove banksy did them unless he admits it, anyone could do banksy stencil or buy a premade one off the net and slap it up anywhere, its in public, its just not possible. Its like a drug dealer storing his drugs on the other side of his fence to his garden, anyone could have put it there, they need to be caught in the act.
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:28:55 GMT 1, Thats the thing though hesta, nobody can prove banksy did them unless he admits it, anyone could do banksy stencil or buy a premade one off the net and slap it up anywhere, its in public, its just not possible. Its like a drug dealer storing his drugs on the other side of his fence to his garden, anyone could have put it there, they need to be caught in the act. 
Thats the thing though hesta, nobody can prove banksy did them unless he admits it, anyone could do banksy stencil or buy a premade one off the net and slap it up anywhere, its in public, its just not possible. Its like a drug dealer storing his drugs on the other side of his fence to his garden, anyone could have put it there, they need to be caught in the act. if I'm ever at Castle Gallery, I'll be looking to see if there are any fences around |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:32:57 GMT 1, Thats the thing though hesta, nobody can prove banksy did them unless he admits it, anyone could do banksy stencil or buy a premade one off the net and slap it up anywhere, its in public, its just not possible. Its like a drug dealer storing his drugs on the other side of his fence to his garden, anyone could have put it there, they need to be caught in the act. if I'm ever at Castle Gallery, I'll be looking to see if there are a ny fences around
lol not talking from experience it was just the 1st comparison came in to my head
Thats the thing though hesta, nobody can prove banksy did them unless he admits it, anyone could do banksy stencil or buy a premade one off the net and slap it up anywhere, its in public, its just not possible. Its like a drug dealer storing his drugs on the other side of his fence to his garden, anyone could have put it there, they need to be caught in the act. if I'm ever at Castle Gallery, I'll be looking to see if there are a ny fences around lol not talking from experience it was just the 1st comparison came in to my head |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:40:16 GMT 1, I doubt that anyone in their right mind would press charges against Banksy if he made a stencil on their wall or property. His art is a commodity and would anyone complain if someone chucked a bundle of money in their garden or glued a few thousand removable dollars on their wall?
I doubt that anyone in their right mind would press charges against Banksy if he made a stencil on their wall or property. His art is a commodity and would anyone complain if someone chucked a bundle of money in their garden or glued a few thousand removable dollars on their wall?
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by mojo on May 19, 2014 23:33:42 GMT 1, It just doesn't sound very rock n roll ......d'ya get me? Not really. Like most successful rock'n'rollers he has lawyers, business managers and publicists et al. He's a trading company.
Absolutely anybody can cut a stencil and go out and spray a wall, if they are so inclined. Maybe not quite as well as Banksy although many people do and some are extremely good at it. Way back in 2002 Creative Review published a DIY stencil kit, the Banksy rat stencil that was included started showing up all over the place, I've seen it on walls, doors, street signs, traffic cones et al. Since then many people have sussed how to copy other Banksy images, most are sold knowingly as copies and have been for over a decade although unfortunately some must have been sold on and there's no telling who the street pieces are actually put up by. Pest Control was set up to curb this problem therefore there shouldn't be an issue with authenticity of personal gifts or artworks originally intended for sale. Nowadays the street pieces are generally authenticated by press release although still could be put up by anyone. The moral of the story is don't buy anything without COA especially old broken vandalized walls that once had a Banksy on that faded away so badly some random person had to repaint the entire thing before they hired a swanky hotel to try and sell it.
It just doesn't sound very rock n roll ......d'ya get me? Not really. Like most successful rock'n'rollers he has lawyers, business managers and publicists et al. He's a trading company. Yes, and it appears they're all doing a very good job. Absolutely anybody can cut a stencil and go out and spray a wall, if they are so inclined. Maybe not quite as well as Banksy although many people do and some are extremely good at it. Way back in 2002 Creative Review published a DIY stencil kit, the Banksy rat stencil that was included started showing up all over the place, I've seen it on walls, doors, street signs, traffic cones et al. Since then many people have sussed how to copy other Banksy images, most are sold knowingly as copies and have been for over a decade although unfortunately some must have been sold on and there's no telling who the street pieces are actually put up by. Pest Control was set up to curb this problem therefore there shouldn't be an issue with authenticity of personal gifts or artworks originally intended for sale. Nowadays the street pieces are generally authenticated by press release although still could be put up by anyone. The moral of the story is don't buy anything without COA especially old broken vandalized walls that once had a Banksy on that faded away so badly some random person had to repaint the entire thing before they hired a swanky hotel to try and sell it. |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by johnnyh on May 20, 2014 1:01:10 GMT 1, Of course what people have to remember is that no one wants to catch or complain about Banksy as
when they get one their happy. It's now not often they appear so no one is complaining including
councils etc who send blokes out to protect it. Unlike for example TOX who network rail were
desperate to catch and do. Because of his tag when caught pieces he did not admit to though were
attributed to him. As that was actually part of his defence. EINE spoke for him on this point. TOX said anyone could have done these. EINE was an expert for him and commented they were easy and not complicated so anyone could do them as they were not Banksy's. He was however found guilty and sent down for a decent amount of time as I remember. One of the most prolific taggers in the UK ever
caused the creation of the TOX piece tat appeared just after the case.
So not the same but just an interesting point...I hope!! Ok ok well at least a nice pic!!!
Of course what people have to remember is that no one wants to catch or complain about Banksy as when they get one their happy. It's now not often they appear so no one is complaining including councils etc who send blokes out to protect it. Unlike for example TOX who network rail were desperate to catch and do. Because of his tag when caught pieces he did not admit to though were attributed to him. As that was actually part of his defence. EINE spoke for him on this point. TOX said anyone could have done these. EINE was an expert for him and commented they were easy and not complicated so anyone could do them as they were not Banksy's. He was however found guilty and sent down for a decent amount of time as I remember. One of the most prolific taggers in the UK ever caused the creation of the TOX piece tat appeared just after the case. So not the same but just an interesting point...I hope!! Ok ok well at least a nice pic!!! |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by sommguy on May 20, 2014 3:51:13 GMT 1, what ever happened to personal property laws? If i place an original piece of art on a wall, like wee used to do in chicago. people would not steal it. photo it yes, but not vandalize and not steal. so I ask the question: If i place my property on a wall, and someone takes it, is it theft or did i abandon it?
what ever happened to personal property laws? If i place an original piece of art on a wall, like wee used to do in chicago. people would not steal it. photo it yes, but not vandalize and not steal. so I ask the question: If i place my property on a wall, and someone takes it, is it theft or did i abandon it?
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 20, 2014 9:59:02 GMT 1, Not really. Like most successful rock'n'rollers he has lawyers, business managers and publicists et al. He's a trading company. Pest Control was set up to curb this problem therefore there shouldn't be an issue with authenticity of personal gifts or artworks originally intended for sale.
Not really. Like most successful rock'n'rollers he has lawyers, business managers and publicists et al. He's a trading company. Pest Control was set up to curb this problem therefore there shouldn't be an issue with authenticity of personal gifts or artworks originally intended for sale. Alas not true - they pick and choose who and what they grant COA's for |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 20, 2014 11:33:37 GMT 1, Pest Control was set up to curb this problem therefore there shouldn't be an issue with authenticity of personal gifts or artworks originally intended for sale. Alas not true - they pick and choose who and what they grant COA's for Is that right Joe, I thought any works intended for sale would get coa regardless of who was applying, also I believed any gift prints would get coa as long as the person applying was the person the print was gifted to. is this not the case? Have you heard of PC not issuing a coa because they didn't want the person applying to get one? If that's the case I'd better start sending a case of wine now and again or I'm shot if they take a disliking to me. Ps PC are great!!!
Pest Control was set up to curb this problem therefore there shouldn't be an issue with authenticity of personal gifts or artworks originally intended for sale. Alas not true - they pick and choose who and what they grant COA's for Is that right Joe, I thought any works intended for sale would get coa regardless of who was applying, also I believed any gift prints would get coa as long as the person applying was the person the print was gifted to. is this not the case? Have you heard of PC not issuing a coa because they didn't want the person applying to get one? If that's the case I'd better start sending a case of wine now and again or I'm shot if they take a disliking to me. Ps PC are great!!!
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by johnnyh on May 20, 2014 11:59:46 GMT 1, Think what he means Andy is that there are some works that ne could say should not be COA'd but have been.
Do not know of any genuine prints of the editions or canvases at shows etc that have not been.
Think there are pieces that were at shows so not street pieces that cannot get COA's likewise as they were not intended for sale or resale etc. Show prop type material etc
Think what he means Andy is that there are some works that ne could say should not be COA'd but have been.
Do not know of any genuine prints of the editions or canvases at shows etc that have not been.
Think there are pieces that were at shows so not street pieces that cannot get COA's likewise as they were not intended for sale or resale etc. Show prop type material etc
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 20, 2014 15:37:40 GMT 1, I know someone who has been waiting over 2 years for a CoA on an EDITIONED print!!!
I also know of a lot of gifted pieces that DID get COA's - if the face don't fit you ain't getting shit!!!
I know someone who has been waiting over 2 years for a CoA on an EDITIONED print!!!
I also know of a lot of gifted pieces that DID get COA's - if the face don't fit you ain't getting shit!!!
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 20, 2014 15:55:30 GMT 1, He must have been a naughty boy making him wait over 2 years, wonder what he did to piss them off so much. Gift print coas only become an issue if the coa isn't with the print once it leaves the original recipient, unless like you said they haven't played by the rules or something to that effect.
He must have been a naughty boy making him wait over 2 years, wonder what he did to piss them off so much. Gift print coas only become an issue if the coa isn't with the print once it leaves the original recipient, unless like you said they haven't played by the rules or something to that effect.
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Happy Shopper on May 20, 2014 15:59:23 GMT 1, Isn't it policy that COAs can be given to the original recipient of gift prints?
Makes sense if you think about it...
There's no number to assign a name to, so backdoor prints could be given a fake signature and gift print marks, and who'd know the difference?
Isn't it policy that COAs can be given to the original recipient of gift prints?
Makes sense if you think about it...
There's no number to assign a name to, so backdoor prints could be given a fake signature and gift print marks, and who'd know the difference?
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 20, 2014 16:46:52 GMT 1, Isn't it policy that COAs can be given to the original recipient of gift prints? Makes sense if you think about it... There's no number to assign a name to, so backdoor prints could be given a fake signature and gift print marks, and who'd know the difference?
No strict policy as such, I wouldnt think.
Isn't it policy that COAs can be given to the original recipient of gift prints? Makes sense if you think about it... There's no number to assign a name to, so backdoor prints could be given a fake signature and gift print marks, and who'd know the difference? No. No strict policy as such, I wouldnt think. |
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Mobile Lovers - Has Banksy Opened A Can Of Worms?, by Deleted on May 20, 2014 17:27:22 GMT 1, Anyone hungry?
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