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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 3:52:40 GMT 1, All of this talk on these forums about the current Banksy prices/market had me thinking a lot about how these prints and pieces will transition over the coming decades. It is inevitable that Banksy will be taught in art history courses, even introductory ones, as he represents an entire movement in art.
Considering this, I can see how some of his prints may become more or less sought after than they previously were, based on their relation to his career (i.e. pieces that might be mentioned in an art history course, when going over the career or Banksy and his works). My guesses are the below, and the UP/DOWN means desirability, or how much people will be seeking the print compared to now [i.e. this doesn't mean lower prices]:
-Rude Copper --> UP UP
-Have A Nice Day --> UP
-Bomb Middle England --> SAME/UP
-Flower Thrower --> UP
-Queen Vic --> UP
-Weston Super Mare --> DOWN
-Happy Choppers --> SAME/UP
-Monkey Queen --> UP
-Turf War --> UP
-Golf Sale --> SAME/DOWN
-HMV --> SAME/DOWN
-Toxic Mary --> UP
-Laugh Now --> UP
-Bomb Hugger --> SAME/UP
-Flying Copper --> SAME
-Wrong War --> SAME
-Pulp Fiction --> SAME/DOWN
-Girl With Balloon --> UP
-Love Rat --> UP
-Gangsta Rat --> UP
-Placard Rats --> UP
-Napalm --> UP
-Christ --> Down
-I Fought The Law --> Down
-Radar Rat --> UP
-Kate Moss --> UP
-Grin Reaper --> DOWN
-CND Soldiers --> UP
-Jack and Jill --> DOWN
-Soup Cans --> DOWN
-Festival --> DOWN
-Sale Ends --> DOWN
-Grannies --> DOWN
-Applause --> DOWN
-Morons --> SAME/DOWN (depending on backlash due to content of image)
-Trolleys --> DOWN
-Flags --> DOWN
-Stop & Search --> UP/SAME
-Cans Festival --> UP (purely due to rarity)
-NOLA --> UP
-Very Little Helps --> DOWN
-Donuts --> DOWN
-No Ball Games --> DOWN
Feel free to lend your insight, call me insane, waste my time, all that.
All of this talk on these forums about the current Banksy prices/market had me thinking a lot about how these prints and pieces will transition over the coming decades. It is inevitable that Banksy will be taught in art history courses, even introductory ones, as he represents an entire movement in art.
Considering this, I can see how some of his prints may become more or less sought after than they previously were, based on their relation to his career (i.e. pieces that might be mentioned in an art history course, when going over the career or Banksy and his works). My guesses are the below, and the UP/DOWN means desirability, or how much people will be seeking the print compared to now [i.e. this doesn't mean lower prices]:
-Rude Copper --> UP UP
-Have A Nice Day --> UP
-Bomb Middle England --> SAME/UP
-Flower Thrower --> UP
-Queen Vic --> UP
-Weston Super Mare --> DOWN
-Happy Choppers --> SAME/UP
-Monkey Queen --> UP
-Turf War --> UP
-Golf Sale --> SAME/DOWN
-HMV --> SAME/DOWN
-Toxic Mary --> UP
-Laugh Now --> UP
-Bomb Hugger --> SAME/UP
-Flying Copper --> SAME
-Wrong War --> SAME
-Pulp Fiction --> SAME/DOWN
-Girl With Balloon --> UP
-Love Rat --> UP
-Gangsta Rat --> UP
-Placard Rats --> UP
-Napalm --> UP
-Christ --> Down
-I Fought The Law --> Down
-Radar Rat --> UP
-Kate Moss --> UP
-Grin Reaper --> DOWN
-CND Soldiers --> UP
-Jack and Jill --> DOWN
-Soup Cans --> DOWN
-Festival --> DOWN
-Sale Ends --> DOWN
-Grannies --> DOWN
-Applause --> DOWN
-Morons --> SAME/DOWN (depending on backlash due to content of image)
-Trolleys --> DOWN
-Flags --> DOWN
-Stop & Search --> UP/SAME
-Cans Festival --> UP (purely due to rarity)
-NOLA --> UP
-Very Little Helps --> DOWN
-Donuts --> DOWN
-No Ball Games --> DOWN
Feel free to lend your insight, call me insane, waste my time, all that.
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Banksy and Art History, by andyroo0312 on Aug 15, 2014 6:48:13 GMT 1, I think the prints that translate to all regardless of race,weath,location etc will be the ones that have longevity
for me prints like Donuts,Trolleys,Toxic Mary, All the Rats,Nola and many more I can't be arsed to write will because of the universal message prints like QV, WSM, BME, NBG,Turf Wars,and VLH are really only relevant to the UK crew so may not be so popular with the rest of the world but these are just the thoughts of a guy stuck at home with a groin injury and has anger issues 
I think the prints that translate to all regardless of race,weath,location etc will be the ones that have longevity for me prints like Donuts,Trolleys,Toxic Mary, All the Rats,Nola and many more I can't be arsed to write will because of the universal message prints like QV, WSM, BME, NBG,Turf Wars,and VLH are really only relevant to the UK crew so may not be so popular with the rest of the world but these are just the thoughts of a guy stuck at home with a groin injury and has anger issues |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 7:16:34 GMT 1, i personally am not a huge fan of turf war, but i think it will have longevity due to the history behind the print; it has more world reach than the typical eurocentric event. I agree with WSM, BME, NBG, VLH. I think QV will be seen as his 'subversive government' style, granted obviously more appealing to some. I personally am not put off by any of the Queen pieces, being an American; just different leaders.
i personally am not a huge fan of turf war, but i think it will have longevity due to the history behind the print; it has more world reach than the typical eurocentric event. I agree with WSM, BME, NBG, VLH. I think QV will be seen as his 'subversive government' style, granted obviously more appealing to some. I personally am not put off by any of the Queen pieces, being an American; just different leaders.
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Banksy and Art History, by Quinnster on Aug 15, 2014 7:30:33 GMT 1, In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show.
It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic....
( I do have one )
In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show.
It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic....
( I do have one )
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Banksy and Art History, by Trevorm on Aug 15, 2014 8:41:06 GMT 1, Oh well!
Only one of mine worth keeping then - better sell the others off cheap and quick I s'pose before they go into free fall
Oh well!
Only one of mine worth keeping then - better sell the others off cheap and quick I s'pose before they go into free fall
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 8:41:58 GMT 1, In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one )
Agree. Don't own one, but it does seem like one of those pieces that you can't teach a Banksy summary class without mentioning.
In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one ) Agree. Don't own one, but it does seem like one of those pieces that you can't teach a Banksy summary class without mentioning. |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 8:43:35 GMT 1, Oh well! Only one of mine worth keeping then - better sell the others off cheap and quick I s'pose before they go into free fall
Def don't mean that; I doubt prices will ever fall, let alone free fall. Maybe just flatten out more for some pieces than others in the long-run. This is purely theoretical, looking at it from an art history perspective.
Oh well! Only one of mine worth keeping then - better sell the others off cheap and quick I s'pose before they go into free fall Def don't mean that; I doubt prices will ever fall, let alone free fall. Maybe just flatten out more for some pieces than others in the long-run. This is purely theoretical, looking at it from an art history perspective. |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 8:54:28 GMT 1, In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one )
May Day Demonstrations 2000
In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one ) The original Turf War May Day Demonstrations 2000 |
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Banksy and Art History, by Quinnster on Aug 15, 2014 9:33:41 GMT 1, Oh well! Only one of mine worth keeping then - better sell the others off cheap and quick I s'pose before they go into free fall
Put the kettle on I'll be round for them this afternoon :-)
Oh well! Only one of mine worth keeping then - better sell the others off cheap and quick I s'pose before they go into free fall Put the kettle on I'll be round for them this afternoon :-) |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 10:08:40 GMT 1, In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one ) The original Turf War May Day Demonstrations 2000
In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one ) The original Turf War May Day Demonstrations 2000 Lovely. About 5.50 onwards... |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 10:16:22 GMT 1, They were the days - when anarchy was on the streets not in galleries
They were the days - when anarchy was on the streets not in galleries
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 10:32:48 GMT 1, Who was the bloke that did the turf?, think I read on here it was someones mate.
Who was the bloke that did the turf?, think I read on here it was someones mate.
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 10:37:16 GMT 1, Guy named James - he got sent to jail for that.
Guy named James - he got sent to jail for that.
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Banksy and Art History, by johnnyh on Aug 15, 2014 14:30:15 GMT 1, I think the prints that translate to all regardless of race,weath,location etc will be the ones that have longevity for me prints like Donuts,Trolleys,Toxic Mary, All the Rats,Nola and many more I can't be arsed to write will because of the universal message prints like QV, WSM, BME, NBG,Turf Wars,and VLH are really only relevant to the UK crew so may not be so popular with the rest of the world but these are just the thoughts of a guy stuck at home with a groin injury and has anger issues
All very well for the colonies to complain know it hurts that a small lad from old blights is so important.....but hey honey that's just the way it is. Turf war and Union jacks will always be popular with the rest of the world maybe just not a hit in the colonies with some.
But it's a bit like saying Warhols Mao is only popular with the Chinese and communists.
Love and kissesxxxxx
I think the prints that translate to all regardless of race,weath,location etc will be the ones that have longevity for me prints like Donuts,Trolleys,Toxic Mary, All the Rats,Nola and many more I can't be arsed to write will because of the universal message prints like QV, WSM, BME, NBG,Turf Wars,and VLH are really only relevant to the UK crew so may not be so popular with the rest of the world but these are just the thoughts of a guy stuck at home with a groin injury and has anger issues All very well for the colonies to complain know it hurts that a small lad from old blights is so important.....but hey honey that's just the way it is. Turf war and Union jacks will always be popular with the rest of the world maybe just not a hit in the colonies with some. But it's a bit like saying Warhols Mao is only popular with the Chinese and communists. Love and kissesxxxxx |
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Banksy and Art History, by daveart on Aug 15, 2014 14:44:17 GMT 1, to me the upward pressure will continue until it bumps into other alternatives.. ie. signed banksy gets to say $30K USD .. you have to consider whether you want a signed Banksy or a very nice signed Haring, lower end Warhol, Johns, etc. in the $10k - 20K space there is room to run up still under the other very big named artists. the day you are at auction and a signed Banksy Barcode sells for more than the Signed Warhol Zebra say.. that will be an interesting day. or quite possibly .. the warhols run up more opening more space underneat for other artists to appreciate and be the cost of a warhol 10 years past.. etc.. to me most of the Banksy images dont work in a high end living room, dining room , office.. so just not sure... could you spend that kind of money on something your wife hates? or go buy a very nice warhol that she loves. so, anyway, that's my thought on this.. things appreciate up to the point where the other options look more attractive.
funny thing for me ... i started buying banksy back in the day becuase i couldnt afford haring and warhol. i would be very happy at some point to trade banksy's for various haring and warhol prints in the future!
to me the upward pressure will continue until it bumps into other alternatives.. ie. signed banksy gets to say $30K USD .. you have to consider whether you want a signed Banksy or a very nice signed Haring, lower end Warhol, Johns, etc. in the $10k - 20K space there is room to run up still under the other very big named artists. the day you are at auction and a signed Banksy Barcode sells for more than the Signed Warhol Zebra say.. that will be an interesting day. or quite possibly .. the warhols run up more opening more space underneat for other artists to appreciate and be the cost of a warhol 10 years past.. etc.. to me most of the Banksy images dont work in a high end living room, dining room , office.. so just not sure... could you spend that kind of money on something your wife hates? or go buy a very nice warhol that she loves. so, anyway, that's my thought on this.. things appreciate up to the point where the other options look more attractive.
funny thing for me ... i started buying banksy back in the day becuase i couldnt afford haring and warhol. i would be very happy at some point to trade banksy's for various haring and warhol prints in the future!
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:41:08 GMT 1, There's a clip of the Turf War incident in this extremely entertaining documentary on netflix called 'The Antics Roadshow' - includes an interview with the guy who did it.
Also some nice Banksy clips, and others in there.
There's a clip of the Turf War incident in this extremely entertaining documentary on netflix called 'The Antics Roadshow' - includes an interview with the guy who did it.
Also some nice Banksy clips, and others in there.
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Banksy and Art History, by andyroo0312 on Aug 15, 2014 15:48:38 GMT 1, I think the prints that translate to all regardless of race,weath,location etc will be the ones that have longevity for me prints like Donuts,Trolleys,Toxic Mary, All the Rats,Nola and many more I can't be arsed to write will because of the universal message prints like QV, WSM, BME, NBG,Turf Wars,and VLH are really only relevant to the UK crew so may not be so popular with the rest of the world but these are just the thoughts of a guy stuck at home with a groin injury and has anger issues All very well for the colonies to complain know it hurts that a small lad from old blights is so important.....but hey honey that's just the way it is. Turf war and Union jacks will always be popular with the rest of the world maybe just not a hit in the colonies with some. But it's a bit like saying Warhols Mao is only popular with the Chinese and communists. Love and kissesxxxxx
I think the prints that translate to all regardless of race,weath,location etc will be the ones that have longevity for me prints like Donuts,Trolleys,Toxic Mary, All the Rats,Nola and many more I can't be arsed to write will because of the universal message prints like QV, WSM, BME, NBG,Turf Wars,and VLH are really only relevant to the UK crew so may not be so popular with the rest of the world but these are just the thoughts of a guy stuck at home with a groin injury and has anger issues All very well for the colonies to complain know it hurts that a small lad from old blights is so important.....but hey honey that's just the way it is. Turf war and Union jacks will always be popular with the rest of the world maybe just not a hit in the colonies with some. But it's a bit like saying Warhols Mao is only popular with the Chinese and communists. Love and kissesxxxxx I hear you sweet cheeks, I am actually London born but dad was wanted by MI6 thus we escaped, no ones complaining I was just thinking out loud I remember when VLH came out and most from outside the Uk were saying WTF is Tesco,s and once they were told the most common comment was ' well if it said Walmart I would be all over it' reason it really has no realevence to them just like NBG it was only the UK that came out with such a crazy thing (banning ball games at schools)for the rest of us it really holds no weight apart from being a pretty picture the meaning is lost and when people are dropping $10k-$20k I would think they would want the art to have some meaning to them unless they are just interested in telling everyone hey I own a Banksy, If none of this makes sense forgive me as I have just got in from the pub... God Bless The Queen..... |
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Banksy and Art History, by andyroo0312 on Aug 15, 2014 15:54:29 GMT 1, There's a clip of the Turf War incident in this extremely entertaining documentary on netflix called 'The Antics Roadshow' - includes an interview with the guy who did it. Also some nice Banksy clips, and others in there.
There's a clip of the Turf War incident in this extremely entertaining documentary on netflix called 'The Antics Roadshow' - includes an interview with the guy who did it. Also some nice Banksy clips, and others in there. Have you seen this one? Check it out
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Banksy and Art History, by andyroo0312 on Aug 15, 2014 16:00:30 GMT 1, There's a clip of the Turf War incident in this extremely entertaining documentary on netflix called 'The Antics Roadshow' - includes an interview with the guy who did it. Also some nice Banksy clips, and others in there.  Here is the Winston.. Turf Wars
There's a clip of the Turf War incident in this extremely entertaining documentary on netflix called 'The Antics Roadshow' - includes an interview with the guy who did it. Also some nice Banksy clips, and others in there. I am going for the 3 in a row post Here is the Winston.. Turf Wars |
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Banksy and Art History, by alittle on Aug 15, 2014 16:06:52 GMT 1, they are just interested in telling everyone hey I own a Banksy
Based on current pricing levels, isn't this what it has come to already?
they are just interested in telling everyone hey I own a Banksy Based on current pricing levels, isn't this what it has come to already? |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:04:50 GMT 1, Making a list of Banksy prints and art history reminds me of Pop song charts sort of where were you when Banksy released Soup Can etc.
Bit like I remember where I was when Birdy Song came out.
For the real Banksy art history.
Has Banksy ever made a colab with Damien Hirst?
Making a list of Banksy prints and art history reminds me of Pop song charts sort of where were you when Banksy released Soup Can etc.
Bit like I remember where I was when Birdy Song came out.
For the real Banksy art history.
Has Banksy ever made a colab with Damien Hirst?
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Banksy and Art History, by Hairbland on Aug 16, 2014 1:33:10 GMT 1, Making a list of Banksy prints and art history reminds me of Pop song charts sort of where were you when Banksy released Soup Can etc. Bit like I remember where I was when Birdy Song came out. For the real Banksy art history. Has Banksy ever made a colab with Damien Hirst?
Making a list of Banksy prints and art history reminds me of Pop song charts sort of where were you when Banksy released Soup Can etc. Bit like I remember where I was when Birdy Song came out. For the real Banksy art history. Has Banksy ever made a colab with Damien Hirst? Why do you bother? You have nothing to add, other than disgruntled art troll comments. |
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Banksy and Art History, by Wearology on Aug 16, 2014 1:37:06 GMT 1, The piece, called Keeping It Spotless, was an iconic one of Hirst's spot paintings, featuring one of Banksy's French maids stencils lifting the image to sweep dust. It was sold for $1,870,000 through Sotheby's auction house in New York City on Valentines Day in 2008.
(I found this article on the internet - I am not the author and the photo is not my image)
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The piece, called Keeping It Spotless, was an iconic one of Hirst's spot paintings, featuring one of Banksy's French maids stencils lifting the image to sweep dust. It was sold for $1,870,000 through Sotheby's auction house in New York City on Valentines Day in 2008. (I found this article on the internet - I am not the author and the photo is not my image) . |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 12:44:56 GMT 1, The piece, called Keeping It Spotless, was an iconic one of Hirst's spot paintings, featuring one of Banksy's French maids stencils lifting the image to sweep dust. It was sold for $1,870,000 through Sotheby's auction house in New York City on Valentines Day in 2008. (I found this article on the internet - I am not the author and the photo is not my image) .
Nice,
Regarding Banksy and art history and facts, I aske dthe question because a lot of people say that team Hirst was behind Banksy and for Banksy to colab with Hirst means they had been working together for a while and did Hirst open doors and push the prices up?
The piece, called Keeping It Spotless, was an iconic one of Hirst's spot paintings, featuring one of Banksy's French maids stencils lifting the image to sweep dust. It was sold for $1,870,000 through Sotheby's auction house in New York City on Valentines Day in 2008. (I found this article on the internet - I am not the author and the photo is not my image) .
Nice,
Regarding Banksy and art history and facts, I aske dthe question because a lot of people say that team Hirst was behind Banksy and for Banksy to colab with Hirst means they had been working together for a while and did Hirst open doors and push the prices up?
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Banksy and Art History, by hunter on Aug 16, 2014 13:01:06 GMT 1, Why do people consider NBG is only relevant to the UK? Works on many levels I would have thought. Same as saying NOLA is only relevant to New Orleans.
There was another Hirst/Banksy collab at the Bristol Museum show.
Why do people consider NBG is only relevant to the UK? Works on many levels I would have thought. Same as saying NOLA is only relevant to New Orleans.
There was another Hirst/Banksy collab at the Bristol Museum show.
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 13:10:18 GMT 1, Why do people consider NBG is only relevant to the UK? Works on many levels I would have thought. Same as saying NOLA is only relevant to New Orleans. There was another Hirst/Banksy collab at the Bristol Museum show. 
Why do people consider NBG is only relevant to the UK? Works on many levels I would have thought. Same as saying NOLA is only relevant to New Orleans. There was another Hirst/Banksy collab at the Bristol Museum show. |
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 13:17:20 GMT 1, vk.com/club392983
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 13:24:17 GMT 1, 
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Banksy and Art History, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 13:27:33 GMT 1, In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one ) I agree some poor guy got banged up for sticking a sod of turf on fat bastard Churchills head and Banksy made a print of it and made lots of money.
U cant beat capitalism and making art from social comments.
In banksy history Turf War is a icon up there with Rude Copper that was the name of his break through show. It might not be in high fasion like CYW or Nola but it's way more iconic.... ( I do have one ) I agree some poor guy got banged up for sticking a sod of turf on fat bastard Churchills head and Banksy made a print of it and made lots of money.
U cant beat capitalism and making art from social comments.
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