I don't think you're paying very close attention to what you're reading. The first section you quoted was in regards to the Banksy shirts, not the Ivader, Obey and Faile shirts. That's why it Says Banksy and not any of those other names.

To your comment, however, they very definitely were sold as limited edition shirts. When they didn't sell out immediately, people knew something was up, including Faile. They asked that COAs be included with the orders. They printed and mailed the COAs to BNE well in advance of him shipping them. He agreed to include the COAs and then didn't.

He claimed he didn't include them because he didn't feel comfortable using the water charity's name on the COA. This is despite the fact he used their name liberally on his website and social media before, during and after he refused to send the COAs. So if you believe that excuse, I don't know what else to tell you.

Printing and selling more shirts than the advertised limited quantity is fraud. That said, that wasn't the fraud I was referring to in my post, so let's move on.

Regarding the half assed shirt being fraud, I never said it was. In fact, if you read the very next sentence after the section you quoted, I said the opposite. It was dishonest and an all around dick move on his part, but probably doesn't cross the threshold of fraud.

As for refunds after the fact, he did not issue any refunds. A few members posted on here that they asked for refunds and were ignored. If you can point to anyone who asked for a refund and received it, I'd like to see it.

Regardless, collecting money in the name of a charity and then keeping it is fraud no matter how you spin it. Even if he did issue refunds when asked, it would still be fraud. If you don't believe me, go door to door collecting money for the Red Cross and keep it. Then when the police come knocking on your door try telling them you would have given the money back to anyone who asked.

... I think mr aldo should read the 80+ pages of the original thread of the continuing lies of the bloke ... ' I am going to get my friend who is homeless to do the design and help him out with some money' ... that soon changed as well ...   

urbanartassociation.com/thread/114733/banksy-bne-world-water-day

Perfectly describes BNE's modus operandi.

latest post on IG comment:

So I've just been informed that the print is actually by BNE himself. It's also the image posted here. Is that true @bnedotorg

It's very simple really and BNE should have published a few facts.

Facts being how much money was raised for the charity and what happened to the money.

Otherwise it looks like he is being evasive.

Also people have a right to know seing as it was a public campaign to raise money for charity.


The other stuff to do with merchandise and refunds is up to people who placed orders as to if they are happy with what they paid for or not.

I think you've got that backwards. There are plenty of facts to back up what little speculation is going around.

It's a fact he sold Faile, Obey and Invader shirts as "limited editions."

It's a fact Faile suspected he oversold their shirt and asked him to include COAs.

It's a fact he agreed to include them and then didn't.

It's a fact Faile said they would never partner with anyone else on charity work again and would only do charity work themselves.

It's a fact BNE claimed he was doing a shirt with Banksy.

It's a fact he sold hundreds of shirts at $100 a pop.

It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it.

It's a fact BNE said he was scammed in a series of bizarre and contradictory claims.

It's a fact BNE said he would partner with another artist and give all the money to charity.

It's a fact he never partnered with another artist.

It's a fact he ultimately didn't give the money to charity.

Based on all of those facts, myself and quite a few others have speculated that BNE is a lying piece of shit and has lined his own pockets in the name of charity. Come to think of it, that last bit isn't so much speculation as it is fact.

Just the facts Ma'am. Just the facts.

On Instagram fans (sic) have the nerves that crack! Collab(' ( where ? ) or not, we understand them, lol! That means what to make expecting people like this ?! Almost 3 months , time to deposit the money in the Bank and earn interests. This is not fair and is indefensible ! Whatever the issue. Very very bad print, sorry, trip.
To answer to Thomas the man who wrote : " It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it." ,
As for the Tee, he could say even if the # was before #not, via Jo Brooks or SAN, that there was really no collab at all...
Well, maybe he does not care anyway, and we understand him...

I almost never understand dodcoquelicot, but I almost always agree with him.

I don't get the attraction for someone who just slaps stickers with the letters BNE on everything?

Is it some kind of underground philosophy at work?

There again, I've seen worse shit in the Tate Modern and Turder prize.

I was paraphrasing, of course. His exact words were, "Banksy has not made any t-shirts for a water charity."

I interpret that to mean he didn't have anything to do with it. The only other possible interpretation I can think of (that a handful of people actually made) is that Banksy did have something to do with it and this was part of an elaborate hoax to reward people who cared more about giving to a charity than about getting a Banksy shirt.

Even if you thought that was the case at some point, I think it's fairly obvious by now that Banksy never had anything to do with it.

Yes and yes... I have seen pictures of the actual print, but i think it is only fair if the owner of the print posts them in this thread. If he/she wants to.......


Image on the print, signed by BNE

What gave people the idea that the image shown was not the print.
as soon as i saw it it was clear it was print. Its fugging awful.
rip off con artist.

An interesting thing to consider: The "banksy" tee was an (inferior) up-sell on the faile/invader/obey tees. This print was an inferior up-sell on the xbanksy tee. what's next? I'm guessing the allure of something even better, but that goes nowhere. I'm pretty sure sales books have been written about this, but BNE likely hasn't read them. He has an amazingly intuitive grasp of the fundamentals of social influence - see, for example, the foot in the door technique.