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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by johnnyh on Sept 16, 2014 20:59:28 GMT 1, Been a terrible day not eaten just got out of a Marathon meeting with a bunch of Smarties from the Hershey Estate agents. On the way to the flat had to dance as some Minstrels singing and giving it a Twirl at a StarBar and although I prefer M&M I needed a Boost so took a Time Out before taking a Double Decker to a Crunchy meeting with a client who was a Turkish Delight. Men maybe from Venus but she was definitely from Mars with a Yorkie on a lead so I treated her to a Picnic.
Then I stole a Galaxy
Been a terrible day not eaten just got out of a Marathon meeting with a bunch of Smarties from the Hershey Estate agents. On the way to the flat had to dance as some Minstrels singing and giving it a Twirl at a StarBar and although I prefer M&M I needed a Boost so took a Time Out before taking a Double Decker to a Crunchy meeting with a client who was a Turkish Delight. Men maybe from Venus but she was definitely from Mars with a Yorkie on a lead so I treated her to a Picnic.
Then I stole a Galaxy
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Dibbs 45 on Sept 16, 2014 21:02:43 GMT 1, That suit is from another galaxy
That suit is from another galaxy
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by .dappy on Sept 16, 2014 21:07:20 GMT 1,
... you're all just a fruit and nut case ...
* showing my age ...
... you're all just a fruit and nut case ...
* showing my age ...
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 21:12:32 GMT 1, The owners wifeโฆโฆ Cissy Wang
Great name!
The owners wifeโฆโฆ Cissy Wang
Great name!
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 21:34:06 GMT 1, ... you're all just a fruit and nut case ... * showing my age ...
... you're all just a fruit and nut case ... * showing my age ... Johnnyh is certainly showin his age, marathon, that must be 25 years ago, why they ever changed it to snickers ill never know, marathons much better! |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by johnnyh on Sept 17, 2014 0:20:30 GMT 1, ... you're all just a fruit and nut case ... * showing my age ... Johnnyh is certainly showin his age, marathon, that must be 25 years ago, why they ever changed it to snickers ill never know, marathons much better!
Just referring to a long meeting ... Don't know what you mean about showing my age!!!
Honest!!
Although these days happy that I can still remember things!!...........Just referring to a long meeting ... Don't know what you mean about showing my age!!!
Although these days to be fair...........happy that I still remember things!!
Ps....
Does anyone know how you edit a post??? 
... you're all just a fruit and nut case ... * showing my age ... Johnnyh is certainly showin his age, marathon, that must be 25 years ago, why they ever changed it to snickers ill never know, marathons much better! Just referring to a long meeting ... Don't know what you mean about showing my age!!! Honest!! Although these days happy that I can still remember things!!...........Just referring to a long meeting ... Don't know what you mean about showing my age!!! Although these days to be fair...........happy that I still remember things!! Ps.... Does anyone know how you edit a post??? |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by met on Sept 17, 2014 10:27:47 GMT 1, Sorry, no choc puns - I just think its really sad that we now live in a society where people report each other for minor little things like this. I know for a fact that I wouldnt have done so, just because I wouldnt want the chap (purple suit or not) to have lost his job. This is even more sad as the chap's pleas were ignored. I hope that the person who phoned his boss can sleep at night - I know that I wouldnt be able to, having caused someone to lose their job over a 50p bar of choc. Perhaps it was that same person who sold the story to he press too?
It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it.
The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity.
Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved.
Sorry, no choc puns - I just think its really sad that we now live in a society where people report each other for minor little things like this. I know for a fact that I wouldnt have done so, just because I wouldnt want the chap (purple suit or not) to have lost his job. This is even more sad as the chap's pleas were ignored. I hope that the person who phoned his boss can sleep at night - I know that I wouldnt be able to, having caused someone to lose their job over a 50p bar of choc. Perhaps it was that same person who sold the story to he press too? It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 10:50:18 GMT 1, Sorry, no choc puns - I just think its really sad that we now live in a society where people report each other for minor little things like this. I know for a fact that I wouldnt have done so, just because I wouldnt want the chap (purple suit or not) to have lost his job. This is even more sad as the chap's pleas were ignored. I hope that the person who phoned his boss can sleep at night - I know that I wouldnt be able to, having caused someone to lose their job over a 50p bar of choc. Perhaps it was that same person who sold the story to he press too? It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. 
Sorry, no choc puns - I just think its really sad that we now live in a society where people report each other for minor little things like this. I know for a fact that I wouldnt have done so, just because I wouldnt want the chap (purple suit or not) to have lost his job. This is even more sad as the chap's pleas were ignored. I hope that the person who phoned his boss can sleep at night - I know that I wouldnt be able to, having caused someone to lose their job over a 50p bar of choc. Perhaps it was that same person who sold the story to he press too? It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime, being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar, he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boy and told to buy them a 4 pack of galaxys and wash their car for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to help fund the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Trevorm on Sept 17, 2014 11:03:09 GMT 1, It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime, being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar, he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boy and told to buy them a 4 pack of galaxys and wash their car for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to help fund the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different Yes. Everybody's right.
It's all a shame - but you can't have an estate agent, or any other visitor, on trust, in your house taking things (stealing sounds harsh but I suppose that's what it was).
It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime, being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar, he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boy and told to buy them a 4 pack of galaxys and wash their car for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to help fund the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different Yes. Everybody's right.
It's all a shame - but you can't have an estate agent, or any other visitor, on trust, in your house taking things (stealing sounds harsh but I suppose that's what it was).
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by met on Sept 17, 2014 11:22:31 GMT 1, It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime, being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar, he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boy and told to buy them a 4 pack of galaxys and wash their car for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to help fund the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different
I do see your point, and the point coach was making, though my position differs.
For me, the punishment of being fired (as distinct from the public humiliation resulting from the press attention) does fit the crime of theft. The value of what was stolen isn't relevant.
Taking a separate example but with a similar principle, you might agree to lend me money. If I then refused to pay it back, it wouldn't matter whether the debt was for ยฃ10 or ยฃ10,000. The important thing would be my dishonesty towards you, not how much I owed.
Looking at it from the perspective of the estate agent's employer, this kind of incident is potentially disastrous. It results in a loss of client trust towards the agency and the other employees, a loss of goodwill. When reputation is everything, reputational damage can actually put a business out of business. This too is no small thing.
It was theft. The value, size or significance of the item stolen is irrelevant โ whether that be a bar of chocolate, the wee diamond ring that granny won't even miss because she's too senile to remember owning it, or some easily-replaceable sheet of paper with a bit of silly art on it. The issue at stake is a man's character, the kind of person they truly are. Can they be trusted? Are they honest? These are not minor little things. And we shouldn't be attempting to relativise integrity. Although the public outing of this estate agent was unnecessary and mean-spirited, his immediate dismissal was in my view well-deserved. You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime, being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar, he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boy and told to buy them a 4 pack of galaxys and wash their car for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to help fund the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different I do see your point, and the point coach was making, though my position differs. For me, the punishment of being fired (as distinct from the public humiliation resulting from the press attention) does fit the crime of theft. The value of what was stolen isn't relevant. Taking a separate example but with a similar principle, you might agree to lend me money. If I then refused to pay it back, it wouldn't matter whether the debt was for ยฃ10 or ยฃ10,000. The important thing would be my dishonesty towards you, not how much I owed. Looking at it from the perspective of the estate agent's employer, this kind of incident is potentially disastrous. It results in a loss of client trust towards the agency and the other employees, a loss of goodwill. When reputation is everything, reputational damage can actually put a business out of business. This too is no small thing. |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Coach on Sept 17, 2014 11:48:46 GMT 1, You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime,ย being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar,ย he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boyย and told to buy them aย 4 pack of galaxys and wash their carย for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to helpย fundย the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different ย I do see your point, and the point coach was making, though my position differs. For me, the punishment of being fired (as distinct from the public humiliation resulting from the press attention) does fit the crime of theft. The value of what was stolen isn't relevant. Taking a separate example but with a similar principle, you might agree to lend me money. Ifย I then refused to pay it back, it wouldn't matter whether the debt was for ยฃ10 or ยฃ10,000. The important thing would be my dishonesty towards you, not how much I owed. Looking at it from the perspective of the estate agent's employer, this kind of incident is potentially disastrous. It results in a lossย of client trust towards the agency and the other employees, a loss of goodwill. When reputation is everything, reputational damage can actually put a business out of business. This too is no small thing.
We will have to beg to differ.
I believe that the value of what was taken is relevant. As are many other factors, including breach of trust.
I agree it makes no difference to whether it is theft or not. That is a question of fact. I believe it makes a difference to the appropriate sanction.
But moreover my concern was the while sordid way in which I perceive this to have been handled. Including ignoring the chaps pleas, refusing to discuss it with him, getting him sacked and the then public humiliation in the press. All leaves a sour taste for me.
Now, if he had stolen something of value, for greed, it would be different imo.
That's all.
You are right, theft is theft but I guess the point Coach was making (maybe not?) is that the punishment should fit the crime,ย being fired is a bit strong for tea leafing a choc bar,ย he should've received a warning/stiff telling off for being a naughty boyย and told to buy them aย 4 pack of galaxys and wash their carย for a couple weeks, he didn't steal grannies wee diamond ring to flog on he nicked a feckin galaxy bar and scoffed it, if hed nicked the choc bar and sold it to little billy down the road to helpย fundย the purchase of a handgun to hold up the local post office then that would be different ย I do see your point, and the point coach was making, though my position differs. For me, the punishment of being fired (as distinct from the public humiliation resulting from the press attention) does fit the crime of theft. The value of what was stolen isn't relevant. Taking a separate example but with a similar principle, you might agree to lend me money. Ifย I then refused to pay it back, it wouldn't matter whether the debt was for ยฃ10 or ยฃ10,000. The important thing would be my dishonesty towards you, not how much I owed. Looking at it from the perspective of the estate agent's employer, this kind of incident is potentially disastrous. It results in a lossย of client trust towards the agency and the other employees, a loss of goodwill. When reputation is everything, reputational damage can actually put a business out of business. This too is no small thing. We will have to beg to differ. I believe that the value of what was taken is relevant. As are many other factors, including breach of trust. I agree it makes no difference to whether it is theft or not. That is a question of fact. I believe it makes a difference to the appropriate sanction. But moreover my concern was the while sordid way in which I perceive this to have been handled. Including ignoring the chaps pleas, refusing to discuss it with him, getting him sacked and the then public humiliation in the press. All leaves a sour taste for me. Now, if he had stolen something of value, for greed, it would be different imo. That's all. |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 11:50:40 GMT 1, On reflection I've changed my mind, I decided to put myself in the shoes of the owner of the galaxy bar and as I'm very fond of the smooth milkyness of galaxy especially with a cup of tea I would have been proper pissed especially if It was the only one and I'd purchased it with the specific goal of getting comfy on the sofa later that night to watch some prerecorded four in a bed once the chaos of a days work and evening getting kiddies to bed had settled, my whole day looks forward to that point of calm and that fecker with sticky fingers has left me feeling empty and unsatisfied, punishment deserved....cut the fkrs hands so he doesn't inflict the same devestation on any other galaxy bar owners!!!
I'm joking of course and I do see where you're coming from met, he was stupid and obviously didn't think too much about what he did.
On reflection I've changed my mind, I decided to put myself in the shoes of the owner of the galaxy bar and as I'm very fond of the smooth milkyness of galaxy especially with a cup of tea I would have been proper pissed especially if It was the only one and I'd purchased it with the specific goal of getting comfy on the sofa later that night to watch some prerecorded four in a bed once the chaos of a days work and evening getting kiddies to bed had settled, my whole day looks forward to that point of calm and that fecker with sticky fingers has left me feeling empty and unsatisfied, punishment deserved....cut the fkrs hands so he doesn't inflict the same devestation on any other galaxy bar owners!!!
I'm joking of course and I do see where you're coming from met, he was stupid and obviously didn't think too much about what he did.
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by met on Sept 17, 2014 12:41:51 GMT 1, I do see your point, and the point coach was making, though my position differs. For me, the punishment of being fired (as distinct from the public humiliation resulting from the press attention) does fit the crime of theft. The value of what was stolen isn't relevant. Taking a separate example but with a similar principle, you might agree to lend me money. If I then refused to pay it back, it wouldn't matter whether the debt was for ยฃ10 or ยฃ10,000. The important thing would be my dishonesty towards you, not how much I owed. Looking at it from the perspective of the estate agent's employer, this kind of incident is potentially disastrous. It results in a loss of client trust towards the agency and the other employees, a loss of goodwill. When reputation is everything, reputational damage can actually put a business out of business. This too is no small thing. We will have to beg to differ. I believe that the value of what was taken is relevant. As are many other factors, including breach of trust. I agree it makes no difference to whether it is theft or not. That is a question of fact. I believe it makes a difference to the appropriate sanction. But moreover my concern was the while sordid way in which I perceive this to have been handled. Including ignoring the chaps pleas, refusing to discuss it with him, getting him sacked and the then public humiliation in the press. All leaves a sour taste for me. Now, if he had stolen something of value, for greed, it would be different imo. That's all.
We do share similar views on the outing of this chap in the media. The exposure he's received was disproportionate and will be tough to recover from.
Though I also understand why the story was picked up so eagerly by the tabloids. It feeds and reinforces people's existing prejudices against estate agents. At least in the UK, we just love to hate them.
Interestingly, if this had taken place in the US, the notoriety gained from the chocolate bar theft might actually have opened up new career prospects for the man. I could imagine him being invited on all the late-night talk shows, hiring an agent, taking part in a reality television programme, and then being offered some (perhaps fashion-related) presenting job.
I do see your point, and the point coach was making, though my position differs. For me, the punishment of being fired (as distinct from the public humiliation resulting from the press attention) does fit the crime of theft. The value of what was stolen isn't relevant. Taking a separate example but with a similar principle, you might agree to lend me money. If I then refused to pay it back, it wouldn't matter whether the debt was for ยฃ10 or ยฃ10,000. The important thing would be my dishonesty towards you, not how much I owed. Looking at it from the perspective of the estate agent's employer, this kind of incident is potentially disastrous. It results in a loss of client trust towards the agency and the other employees, a loss of goodwill. When reputation is everything, reputational damage can actually put a business out of business. This too is no small thing. We will have to beg to differ. I believe that the value of what was taken is relevant. As are many other factors, including breach of trust. I agree it makes no difference to whether it is theft or not. That is a question of fact. I believe it makes a difference to the appropriate sanction. But moreover my concern was the while sordid way in which I perceive this to have been handled. Including ignoring the chaps pleas, refusing to discuss it with him, getting him sacked and the then public humiliation in the press. All leaves a sour taste for me. Now, if he had stolen something of value, for greed, it would be different imo. That's all. We do share similar views on the outing of this chap in the media. The exposure he's received was disproportionate and will be tough to recover from. Though I also understand why the story was picked up so eagerly by the tabloids. It feeds and reinforces people's existing prejudices against estate agents. At least in the UK, we just love to hate them. Interestingly, if this had taken place in the US, the notoriety gained from the chocolate bar theft might actually have opened up new career prospects for the man. I could imagine him being invited on all the late-night talk shows, hiring an agent, taking part in a reality television programme, and then being offered some (perhaps fashion-related) presenting job. |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Coach on Sept 17, 2014 13:00:55 GMT 1, I also think that the value of what is taken is reflected in the justice system. I doubt that the police will want to spend too much time investigating the alleged theft of goods worth less than ยฃ1. Even if they did, I doubt the cps would be too interested in taking it to trial, even if there was sufficient evidence. If I am right in these suggestions, it would seem that the "system" agrees that value is relevant.
I also think that the value of what is taken is reflected in the justice system. I doubt that the police will want to spend too much time investigating the alleged theft of goods worth less than ยฃ1. Even if they did, I doubt the cps would be too interested in taking it to trial, even if there was sufficient evidence. If I am right in these suggestions, it would seem that the "system" agrees that value is relevant.
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Ruggs on Sept 17, 2014 13:23:28 GMT 1, That purple suit does make him look like Willy Wonka... maybe he thought it was his? 
That purple suit does make him look like Willy Wonka... maybe he thought it was his? More like Willy Wanka! |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by met on Sept 17, 2014 14:04:57 GMT 1, I also think that the value of what is taken is reflected in the justice system. I doubt that the police will want to spend too much time investigating the alleged theft of goods worth less than ยฃ1. Even if they did, I doubt the cps would be too interested in taking it to trial, even if there was sufficient evidence. If I am right in these suggestions, it would seem that the "system" agrees that value is relevant.
That is correct. The legal and judicial systems are overburdened and will always look to prioritise.
Given the number of people and man-hours required to pursue a single case โ and the already excessive workloads of the police, CPS and courts โ distinctions are certainly made based on the values of thefts (e.g. which particular courts have jurisdiction, and whether it's even in the public interest to spend taxpayer funds investigating or prosecuting).
Concessions are therefore made on practical grounds and out of necessity. This is where practice in the system ceases to align with principle, and for good reason.
However, from a strictly moral point of view, I don't believe any value-based distinction is being acknowledged. The man who steals your chocolate bar is no less dishonest than the man who steals your car.
I also think that the value of what is taken is reflected in the justice system. I doubt that the police will want to spend too much time investigating the alleged theft of goods worth less than ยฃ1. Even if they did, I doubt the cps would be too interested in taking it to trial, even if there was sufficient evidence. If I am right in these suggestions, it would seem that the "system" agrees that value is relevant. That is correct. The legal and judicial systems are overburdened and will always look to prioritise. Given the number of people and man-hours required to pursue a single case โ and the already excessive workloads of the police, CPS and courts โ distinctions are certainly made based on the values of thefts (e.g. which particular courts have jurisdiction, and whether it's even in the public interest to spend taxpayer funds investigating or prosecuting). Concessions are therefore made on practical grounds and out of necessity. This is where practice in the system ceases to align with principle, and for good reason. However, from a strictly moral point of view, I don't believe any value-based distinction is being acknowledged. The man who steals your chocolate bar is no less dishonest than the man who steals your car. |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by Coach on Sept 17, 2014 15:01:12 GMT 1, I also think that the value of what is taken is reflected in the justice system. I doubt that the police will want to spend too much time investigating the alleged theft of goods worth less than ยฃ1. Even if they did, I doubt the cps would be too interested in taking it to trial, even if there was sufficient evidence. If I am right in these suggestions, it would seem that the "system" agrees that value is relevant. That is correct. The legal and judicial systems are overburdened and will always look to prioritise.ย Given the number of people and man-hours required to pursue a single case โ and the already excessive workloads of the police, CPS and courts โ distinctions are certainly made based on the values of thefts (e.g. which particular courts have jurisdiction, and whether it's even in the public interest to spend taxpayer funds investigating or prosecuting). Concessions are therefore made on practical grounds and out of necessity. This is where practice in the system ceases to align with principle, and for good reason. However, from a strictly moral point of view, I don't believe any value-based distinction is being acknowledged. The man who steals your chocolate bar is no less dishonest than the man who steals your car.
Met, I don't know that I agree that the system being overburdened is the reason that the alleged theft of a bar of chocolate would not be investigated or prosecuted. Though I have no reason to doubt your assertion that they are overburdened. I rather suspect that it would simply be regarded as too petty.
I also don't agree with your final paragraph. I think that there are varying degrees of dishonesty.
I guess that we shall just have to beg to differ.
At least we agree that the media coverage was unpleasant.
I also think that the value of what is taken is reflected in the justice system. I doubt that the police will want to spend too much time investigating the alleged theft of goods worth less than ยฃ1. Even if they did, I doubt the cps would be too interested in taking it to trial, even if there was sufficient evidence. If I am right in these suggestions, it would seem that the "system" agrees that value is relevant. That is correct. The legal and judicial systems are overburdened and will always look to prioritise.ย Given the number of people and man-hours required to pursue a single case โ and the already excessive workloads of the police, CPS and courts โ distinctions are certainly made based on the values of thefts (e.g. which particular courts have jurisdiction, and whether it's even in the public interest to spend taxpayer funds investigating or prosecuting). Concessions are therefore made on practical grounds and out of necessity. This is where practice in the system ceases to align with principle, and for good reason. However, from a strictly moral point of view, I don't believe any value-based distinction is being acknowledged. The man who steals your chocolate bar is no less dishonest than the man who steals your car. Met, I don't know that I agree that the system being overburdened is the reason that the alleged theft of a bar of chocolate would not be investigated or prosecuted. Though I have no reason to doubt your assertion that they are overburdened. I rather suspect that it would simply be regarded as too petty. I also don't agree with your final paragraph. I think that there are varying degrees of dishonesty. I guess that we shall just have to beg to differ. At least we agree that the media coverage was unpleasant. |
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Estate agent caught on spy camera stealing a Galaxy (bar), by dotdot on Sept 17, 2014 16:38:50 GMT 1, You see the problem with theft is several fold , rarely is it ... A one off.
Chances are this person has done this before therefore he was caught on the off chance.
Chances that this was a complete one off , are IMO close to zero.
If this guy was asked , has he ever stoln something in the past I think you'll find as above ...
Everyone knows a thief or at least knew one , it changes your view if and when you come across one.
The Leonard street gallery chap is a case in point , the person in that case likewise ... I doubt of the squeaky clean variety.. If you know otherwise , please advise us all.
One off is seldom the case , in business people try to move along , change their name whatever , the past is for some a scary place.
..in our wee bubble Jason zenga is another case , as is .. That other bloke , whose name escapes me , and the banksy fake crew ( met ..you know the ones? ) who .. I doubt will disappear forever.
You see the problem with theft is several fold , rarely is it ... A one off.
Chances are this person has done this before therefore he was caught on the off chance.
Chances that this was a complete one off , are IMO close to zero.
If this guy was asked , has he ever stoln something in the past I think you'll find as above ...
Everyone knows a thief or at least knew one , it changes your view if and when you come across one.
The Leonard street gallery chap is a case in point , the person in that case likewise ... I doubt of the squeaky clean variety.. If you know otherwise , please advise us all.
One off is seldom the case , in business people try to move along , change their name whatever , the past is for some a scary place.
..in our wee bubble Jason zenga is another case , as is .. That other bloke , whose name escapes me , and the banksy fake crew ( met ..you know the ones? ) who .. I doubt will disappear forever.
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