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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Apr 29, 2022 7:51:31 GMT 1,
1. Post the close-up photos you were sent — including of the QR code, the BNG identification number, and Diana's face — and let's have a look.
2. What does the eBay seller, dimet57, have to say about appearing to have sold two of these framed tenners in the space of 23 days (on 3 April as well as 26 April 2022, UK time), using identical photos for both listings?
3. What is immediately clear from the eBay and Catawiki listings you posted is that the accompanying photos feature neither the same framed tenner, nor the same Lazarides letter.
eBay*
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4. Presumably, Bottleneck Gallery in Brooklyn, the logical first port of call, will have had some comments about this. What did the gallery say when you made contact?
5. See also the Banksy Di-Tenner Real/Fake Comparison thread*, especially from page 5 onwards.
1. Post the close-up photos you were sent — including of the QR code, the BNG identification number, and Diana's fa ce — and let's have a look. 2. What does the eB ay seller, dimet57, have to say about appearing to have sold two of these framed tenners in the space of 23 days (on 3 April as well as 26 April 2022, UK time), using identical photos for both listings? 3. What is immediately clear from the eB ay and Cata wiki listings you posted is that the accompanying photos feature neither the same framed tenner, nor the same La zarides letter. eBay*Catawiki*4. Presumably, Bottleneck Gallery in Brooklyn, the logical first port of call, will have had some comments about this. What did the gallery say when you made contact? 5. See also the Banksy Di-Tenner Real/Fake Comparison thread *, especially from page 5 onwards.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by nsd on Apr 29, 2022 10:39:44 GMT 1, Thanks so much! Great point RE the two sales within a month.
They told me they purchased in 2019, so I have asked if they have held on to it since. I'll then flag this duplicate sale in 2021 and see their reaction.
I've reached out the the gallery, but I think I know my answer. There's way too much doubt for me to purchase this now, things just aren't adding up.
These are the pictures they sent - the landing page on the QR code is legit, at least they put effort in haha.
Thanks so much! Great point RE the two sales within a month. They told me they purchased in 2019, so I have asked if they have held on to it since. I'll then flag this duplicate sale in 2021 and see their reaction. I've reached out the the gallery, but I think I know my answer. There's way too much doubt for me to purchase this now, things just aren't adding up. These are the pictures they sent - the landing page on the QR code is legit, at least they put effort in haha.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Apr 29, 2022 13:06:29 GMT 1, Thanks so much! Great point RE the two sales within a month. They told me they purchased in 2019, so I have asked if they have held on to it since. I'll then flag this duplicate sale in 2021 and see their reaction. I've reached out the the gallery, but I think I know my answer. There's way too much doubt for me to purchase this now, things just aren't adding up. These are the pictures they sent - the landing page on the QR code is legit, at least they put effort in haha.
Thank you for posting the photos you received from the eBay seller, dimet57.
In case you decide to follow up again with Bottleneck Gallery, check whether the same BNG identification number (BNG101528) may possibly have been used twice — for two different framed Di‑Faced Tenners, with two different QR codes.
And if the answer is "No", ask the staff for their thoughts on which of the items below look either authentic or fake:
BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from eBay*
BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from Catawiki*
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Regarding the eBay tenner itself, there follows a cropped area (focusing on Diana's head) of the photo you just provided.
Unfortunately, the resolution isn't high enough to confirm whether that tenner is authentic:
For future reference, below is an in-focus, high‑res photo of Diana's head from a genuine Di‑Faced Tenner. The photo was taken in natural light and zooms in ever‑closer on the left eye (her right).
Note in particular the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) that are visible from the offset lithography printing process.
These dots will not appear as clearly on counterfeit tenners produced by a digital printer:
Thanks so much! Great point RE the two sales within a month. They told me they purchased in 2019, so I have asked if they have held on to it since. I'll then flag this duplicate sale in 2021 and see their reaction. I've reached out the the gallery, but I think I know my answer. There's way too much doubt for me to purchase this now, things just aren't adding up. These are the pictures they sent - the landing page on the QR code is legit, at least they put effort in haha. Thank you for posting the photos you received from the eB ay seller, dimet57. In case you decide to follow up again with Bottleneck Gallery, check whether the same BNG identification number ( BNG101528) may possibly have been used twice — for two different framed Di‑Faced Tenners, with two different QR codes. And if the answer is "No", ask the staff for their thoughts on which of the items below look either authentic or fake: BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from eBay*BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from Catawiki*__________ Regarding the eB ay tenner itself, there follows a cropped area (focusing on Diana's head) of the photo you just provided. Unfortunately, the resolution isn't high enough to confirm whether that tenner is authentic: For future reference, below is an in-focus, high‑res photo of Diana's head from a genuine Di‑Faced Tenner. The photo was taken in natural light and zooms in ever‑closer on the left eye (her right). Note in particular the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) that are visible from the offset lithography printing process. These dots will not appear as clearly on counterfeit tenners produced by a digital printer:
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by stuckeyc on Apr 29, 2022 13:19:26 GMT 1, The qr sticker looks a little askew. BNG is pretty meticulous. I know mine is affixed perfectly square. Could be just the pic angle but...
The qr sticker looks a little askew. BNG is pretty meticulous. I know mine is affixed perfectly square. Could be just the pic angle but...
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by nsd on Apr 29, 2022 23:53:02 GMT 1, Thanks guys. Yeah the BNG gallery said they couldn't provide details on who/when this serial was purchased, but they did say the photo on catawiki wasn't theirs as the sticker was at a stupid angle.
Thanks guys. Yeah the BNG gallery said they couldn't provide details on who/when this serial was purchased, but they did say the photo on catawiki wasn't theirs as the sticker was at a stupid angle.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by nsd on Apr 30, 2022 0:01:23 GMT 1, The issue I have is I can't be sure that even the photos they have on the ebay listing is what I will receive, even if there's is a real one! Especially as they listed the same item a few weeks prior. Bowing out of this one - I may pull the trigger from Laz at some point for 2k GBP.
The issue I have is I can't be sure that even the photos they have on the ebay listing is what I will receive, even if there's is a real one! Especially as they listed the same item a few weeks prior. Bowing out of this one - I may pull the trigger from Laz at some point for 2k GBP.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Apr 30, 2022 7:27:20 GMT 1, The issue I have is I can't be sure that even the photos they have on the ebay listing is what I will receive, even if there's is a real one! Especially as they listed the same item a few weeks prior. Bowing out of this one - I may pull the trigger from Laz at some point for 2k GBP.
You have good reason at least to be wary.
Of potential concern is something I just noticed with the eBay-listing photos (item number 403612144862*, for which you were the winning bidder on 26 April, UK time).
These show a framed tenner and Lazarides letter that are different to the ones featured in the post-auction follow-up photos you received from the eBay seller.
Listing photo for eBay item number 403612144862 (plus cropped close-up)
Two follow-up photos sent by the eBay seller (2nd photo rotated and cropped)
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Also worth considering is the feedback dimet57 has received as an eBay seller.
Their feedback shows 13 previous sales, all in the last six months, and all for postcards with sale prices ranging from £1.00 to £1.80*.
Now, that isn't damning per se, but it would be consistent with the type of framework typically put in place in the lead up to an exit scam.
The issue I have is I can't be sure that even the photos they have on the ebay listing is what I will receive, even if there's is a real one! Especially as they listed the same item a few weeks prior. Bowing out of this one - I may pull the trigger from Laz at some point for 2k GBP. You have good reason at least to be wary. Of potential concern is something I just noticed with the eBay-listing photos (item number 403612144862 *, for which you were the winning bidder on 26 April, UK time). These show a framed tenner and La zarides letter that are different to the ones featured in the post-auction follow-up photos you received from the eB ay seller. Listing photo for eBay item number 403612144862 (plus cropped close-up)Two follow-up photos sent by the eBay seller (2nd photo rotated and cropped)__________ Also worth considering is the feedback dimet57 has received as an eB ay seller. Their feedback shows 13 previous sales, all in the last six months, and all for postcards with sale prices ranging from £1.00 to £1.80 *. Now, that isn't damning per se, but it would be consistent with the type of framework typically put in place in the lead up to an exit scam.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by nsd on Apr 30, 2022 10:35:36 GMT 1, You're very right, the stickers aren't quite in the same spacing. Great eye.
I did question the history of small purchases, they said 'I've sold higher value, they just never left feedback'. Huge flag!
This might be a stupid question (I'm new to all this), but the Lazarides store is a/the trusted source, is that correct? It feels like if I want one of these it's probably not a good idea to try and save a couple hundred bucks if I can never be sure of the origins or authenticity...
You're very right, the stickers aren't quite in the same spacing. Great eye.
I did question the history of small purchases, they said 'I've sold higher value, they just never left feedback'. Huge flag!
This might be a stupid question (I'm new to all this), but the Lazarides store is a/the trusted source, is that correct? It feels like if I want one of these it's probably not a good idea to try and save a couple hundred bucks if I can never be sure of the origins or authenticity...
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by inefficiency of on Apr 30, 2022 10:40:52 GMT 1, You're very right, the stickers aren't quite in the same spacing. Great eye. I did question the history of small purchases, they said 'I've sold higher value, they just never left feedback'. Huge flag! This might be a stupid question (I'm new to all this), but the Lazarides store is a/the trusted source, is that correct? It feels like if I want one of these it's probably not a good idea to try and save a couple hundred bucks if I can never be sure of the origins or authenticity...
Legit and authentic ones are still out there, but you’ve got to keep doing what your doing, due diligence is imperative for these. (As with any work that lacks official provenance). In regards to the Laz store, you pay the premium for a guaranteed legit one.
You're very right, the stickers aren't quite in the same spacing. Great eye. I did question the history of small purchases, they said 'I've sold higher value, they just never left feedback'. Huge flag! This might be a stupid question (I'm new to all this), but the Lazarides store is a/the trusted source, is that correct? It feels like if I want one of these it's probably not a good idea to try and save a couple hundred bucks if I can never be sure of the origins or authenticity... Legit and authentic ones are still out there, but you’ve got to keep doing what your doing, due diligence is imperative for these. (As with any work that lacks official provenance). In regards to the Laz store, you pay the premium for a guaranteed legit one.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Oscar123 on May 16, 2022 21:09:08 GMT 1, Does anyone have a framed di faced tenner with matching hologram and letter of provenance by Lazarides.
Ideally in the UK.
I have a few pieces I could trade,
DM if interested
Does anyone have a framed di faced tenner with matching hologram and letter of provenance by Lazarides.
Ideally in the UK.
I have a few pieces I could trade,
DM if interested
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on Jun 30, 2022 20:24:32 GMT 1, Only just seen this post about the tenners for sale. I guess they all sold? Please let me know if still available. Thanks.
Only just seen this post about the tenners for sale. I guess they all sold? Please let me know if still available. Thanks.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Elephants and Castles on Jul 1, 2022 1:40:18 GMT 1, Hello Everyone,
I'm helping my friend sell x3 of his single Di-Faced Tenners that he has acquired over the years from different sources. (These are not ones from Laz with COA but from the POW Days).
Happy to give extremely close-up's of them to show the CMYK 4 color Process and any other info. needed.
Located in LA and seller is looking for $1300 each inc. shipping.
If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask me. Cheers
Hello Everyone,
I'm helping my friend sell x3 of his single Di-Faced Tenners that he has acquired over the years from different sources. (These are not ones from Laz with COA but from the POW Days).
Happy to give extremely close-up's of them to show the CMYK 4 color Process and any other info. needed.
Located in LA and seller is looking for $1300 each inc. shipping.
If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask me. Cheers
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Elephants and Castles on Jul 2, 2022 20:57:26 GMT 1, Hi All, have 1 of these left now. Thanks for all the interest. Any questions please just PM me here cheers
Hi All, have 1 of these left now. Thanks for all the interest. Any questions please just PM me here cheers
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by MGK1 on Jul 10, 2022 14:58:19 GMT 1, Still have one available, do send me a PM if you're interested.
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Still have one available, do send me a PM if you're interested.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by nick42 on Jul 25, 2022 2:22:09 GMT 1, Laz’s website says all of the tenners have sold out following the recent sale. Something tells me a stash will be found in a few months, perhaps a vault sale, at double price.
Laz’s website says all of the tenners have sold out following the recent sale. Something tells me a stash will be found in a few months, perhaps a vault sale, at double price.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by moron on Jul 25, 2022 16:29:08 GMT 1, Could be sold out regarding this tax year or any other reason.
Laz not flooding the market by releasing too many for sale?
Could be sold out regarding this tax year or any other reason.
Laz not flooding the market by releasing too many for sale?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by MGK1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:45:29 GMT 1, Two Banksy Difaced Tenners for sale
They came from Steve Lazarides during the time I worked for Lazarides Gallery.
They don't come with a COA (the price reflects this I think) but I will provide proof of my employment at Lazarides and a letter documenting the provenance.
I also have plenty of references who can also confirm that these are the real deal.
London based - happy for these to be compared to those on a COA if anyone wants to do an in-person deal.
Happy to also send hi-res images that show the CMYK dots to any interested parties.
Can also ship no problem.
£1000 each.
Two Banksy Difaced Tenners for sale They came from Steve Lazarides during the time I worked for Lazarides Gallery. They don't come with a COA (the price reflects this I think) but I will provide proof of my employment at Lazarides and a letter documenting the provenance. I also have plenty of references who can also confirm that these are the real deal. London based - happy for these to be compared to those on a COA if anyone wants to do an in-person deal. Happy to also send hi-res images that show the CMYK dots to any interested parties. Can also ship no problem. £1000 each.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by MGK1 on Jul 31, 2022 12:00:11 GMT 1, Happy to accept offers - they could be £800 each if that tempts anyone?
Also heading to NY soon if anyone wants to do a USD deal
Happy to accept offers - they could be £800 each if that tempts anyone?
Also heading to NY soon if anyone wants to do a USD deal
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on Aug 4, 2022 18:22:20 GMT 1, I recently bought a tenner with a Laz COA through a reputable gallery (it's in Brighton). Here's a pic. However, anyone have any experience with the COAs? I was wondering if they are hand-signed or just pre-printed. The signature on mine appears to have been printed.
I recently bought a tenner with a Laz COA through a reputable gallery (it's in Brighton). Here's a pic. However, anyone have any experience with the COAs? I was wondering if they are hand-signed or just pre-printed. The signature on mine appears to have been printed.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by StickOut on Aug 5, 2022 8:10:40 GMT 1, Hi, I bought a tenner direct from Laz Emporium a little under a year ago and the letter of provenance looks to be hand signed. I have seen varying versions of the letters though over the years.
Hi, I bought a tenner direct from Laz Emporium a little under a year ago and the letter of provenance looks to be hand signed. I have seen varying versions of the letters though over the years.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on Aug 8, 2022 18:12:41 GMT 1, Thanks for the reply. I guess the main thing is the tenner looks right. I've seen enough fakes to know. Signature on mine does appear printed (unless it was written so finely that it's not marked the paper). Anyone else have what looks like a printed signature on a Laz Emporium COA?
Thanks for the reply. I guess the main thing is the tenner looks right. I've seen enough fakes to know. Signature on mine does appear printed (unless it was written so finely that it's not marked the paper). Anyone else have what looks like a printed signature on a Laz Emporium COA?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on Aug 9, 2022 19:00:18 GMT 1, Re tenners and COAs, are we still agreed that the fakes are easy to spot if you look close enough (sometimes you need to look pretty close, but eventually the detail is lost up close) and that if it looks like the image provided by member hnkpnk (see pic) then it's genuine? There's a whole discussion here on the subject of how to verify tenners. urbanartassociation.com/thread/124752/banksy-tenner-real-fake-comparison?page=6
For info, I have one bought from Prescription Art Gallery with a Laz COA. I agree, the COA is probably worthless, so it's just seeing the detail in the image that matters, and then the provenance to some degree.
Re tenners and COAs, are we still agreed that the fakes are easy to spot if you look close enough (sometimes you need to look pretty close, but eventually the detail is lost up close) and that if it looks like the image provided by member hnkpnk (see pic) then it's genuine? There's a whole discussion here on the subject of how to verify tenners. urbanartassociation.com/thread/124752/banksy-tenner-real-fake-comparison?page=6For info, I have one bought from Prescription Art Gallery with a Laz COA. I agree, the COA is probably worthless, so it's just seeing the detail in the image that matters, and then the provenance to some degree.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Daniel Silk on Aug 10, 2022 5:27:56 GMT 1, Do people believe that they are coming from the original edition printed at one time, or is it more likely they had been printed in new batches over the years or even just printed as and when needed in basically an unlimited edition? If you believe it's just one edition, how many do you think were printed? And how many have already been sold?
Do people believe that they are coming from the original edition printed at one time, or is it more likely they had been printed in new batches over the years or even just printed as and when needed in basically an unlimited edition? If you believe it's just one edition, how many do you think were printed? And how many have already been sold?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Aug 10, 2022 10:12:51 GMT 1, I am thinking of selling my BNG framed tenner, with full provenance, including the purchase email from BNG. What’s the going rate these days for one with solid provenance?
I am thinking of selling my BNG framed tenner, with full provenance, including the purchase email from BNG. What’s the going rate these days for one with solid provenance?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Aug 10, 2022 10:28:24 GMT 1, Do people believe that they are coming from the original edition printed at one time, or is it more likely they had been printed in new batches over the years or even just printed as and when needed in basically an unlimited edition? If you believe it's just one edition, how many do you think were printed? And how many have already been sold? I think just one massive print run, many, many thousands. As for how many are now being sold with Laz provenance, whether from BNG or from Laz Gallery, my guess would be in the several thousands. As they are not numbered we will never know.
Do people believe that they are coming from the original edition printed at one time, or is it more likely they had been printed in new batches over the years or even just printed as and when needed in basically an unlimited edition? If you believe it's just one edition, how many do you think were printed? And how many have already been sold? I think just one massive print run, many, many thousands. As for how many are now being sold with Laz provenance, whether from BNG or from Laz Gallery, my guess would be in the several thousands. As they are not numbered we will never know.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Sam Am on Aug 10, 2022 11:11:23 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he going to throw £1M off a building (ETTGS) so that calculates 100,000.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he going to throw £1M off a building (ETTGS) so that calculates 100,000.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by JD on Aug 22, 2022 7:37:18 GMT 1, What’s the current value for a private sale with a Laz letter ?
Thanks JD
What’s the current value for a private sale with a Laz letter ?
Thanks JD
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by disturbart on Aug 22, 2022 18:36:02 GMT 1, Does anyone know why Laz has stopped selling the Di-Faced tenners? I think its been marked as SOLD OUT for a few weeks now hasn't it???
Does anyone know why Laz has stopped selling the Di-Faced tenners? I think its been marked as SOLD OUT for a few weeks now hasn't it???
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