sgolby
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Everybody okay in paris?, by sgolby on Jan 7, 2015 22:38:08 GMT 1, Most definitely. Education IS the way forward.... Especially from a grassroots level. BUT for those who it is already too late & are hell bent on destroying all manner of freedom in the western world (especially), isn't it time to fight fire with fire? Hence my opinion that it's time to involve THEIR families now. Why should innocents be the only ones to suffer? Let those guilty of such atrocities know what it's like to lose a loved one too. Not saying it's the right answer but it would certainly make them stop and think if the consequences were severe enough. I believe national service for each and every country would have many positive effects. Would increase education, give discipline, bolster armed forces and its reservists as well as promote greater respect amongst civilians (once they've left their service duties). Something I know little about though so I'll stop there. Those guilty of cowardice acts against law abiding, peaceful people should face capital punishment. Little financial burden on the taxpayer and serves as a warning to others to not follow on a path that threatens the happiness of others. This is a melting pot of a debate. I've voiced my opinion and mine alone. I'm far from racist, I'm far from any thought pattern like that BUT I do believe in an eye for an eye. Fairness amongst everyone. If you live by the sword, be prepared to die by it... My friend, unfortunately I can hear the words you are saying being whispered and taught by extremist leaders throughout the world... Do you think innocents killed by drones, or mortars or guns, or starved by tyrants do not harbor your above feelings toward the western world... do you not see the cycle of violence perpetuated by the philosophy you seem to subscribe to?
Most definitely. Education IS the way forward.... Especially from a grassroots level. BUT for those who it is already too late & are hell bent on destroying all manner of freedom in the western world (especially), isn't it time to fight fire with fire? Hence my opinion that it's time to involve THEIR families now. Why should innocents be the only ones to suffer? Let those guilty of such atrocities know what it's like to lose a loved one too. Not saying it's the right answer but it would certainly make them stop and think if the consequences were severe enough. I believe national service for each and every country would have many positive effects. Would increase education, give discipline, bolster armed forces and its reservists as well as promote greater respect amongst civilians (once they've left their service duties). Something I know little about though so I'll stop there. Those guilty of cowardice acts against law abiding, peaceful people should face capital punishment. Little financial burden on the taxpayer and serves as a warning to others to not follow on a path that threatens the happiness of others. This is a melting pot of a debate. I've voiced my opinion and mine alone. I'm far from racist, I'm far from any thought pattern like that BUT I do believe in an eye for an eye. Fairness amongst everyone. If you live by the sword, be prepared to die by it... My friend, unfortunately I can hear the words you are saying being whispered and taught by extremist leaders throughout the world... Do you think innocents killed by drones, or mortars or guns, or starved by tyrants do not harbor your above feelings toward the western world... do you not see the cycle of violence perpetuated by the philosophy you seem to subscribe to?
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 7, 2015 23:05:08 GMT 1, Which philosophy do I subscribe to? The eye for an eye one? Maybe it isn't the way but it's a way we haven't tried yet. Or tell me what IS the answer then?
I know all about innocents being killed by drones and even their own tyrannical, corrupt governments. I used to be a fundraiser (a very good one too!) for Oxfam Emergency Response and our main focus was what was happening in Syria. The best we ever did for Oxfam was during Ramadan in Preston where Muslims give a contribution of their wealth called Zakat. It was Summer, the streets were full of charitable people and the message we gave was simple - people need basic things for survival. No mention of war was mentioned, no mention of who was right/wrong was spoken of. We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world.
Terrorists, regardless of where they're from do not share such sentiments and are only full of apathy.
Terrorists in my mind are spineless. Do they attack military or government targets only? No, they attack the environment/s that Joe Bloggs and his family frequents. You can't defend guns & other devices with words or the greatest will in the world...
Which philosophy do I subscribe to? The eye for an eye one? Maybe it isn't the way but it's a way we haven't tried yet. Or tell me what IS the answer then?
I know all about innocents being killed by drones and even their own tyrannical, corrupt governments. I used to be a fundraiser (a very good one too!) for Oxfam Emergency Response and our main focus was what was happening in Syria. The best we ever did for Oxfam was during Ramadan in Preston where Muslims give a contribution of their wealth called Zakat. It was Summer, the streets were full of charitable people and the message we gave was simple - people need basic things for survival. No mention of war was mentioned, no mention of who was right/wrong was spoken of. We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world.
Terrorists, regardless of where they're from do not share such sentiments and are only full of apathy.
Terrorists in my mind are spineless. Do they attack military or government targets only? No, they attack the environment/s that Joe Bloggs and his family frequents. You can't defend guns & other devices with words or the greatest will in the world...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Lroy on Jan 7, 2015 23:31:00 GMT 1, Anyway they are going to catch the " terrorists " , 3 little delinquents ( one has18 and the two others , brothers of 30 ) . They have their adresses and identity ... 3 little bastards , ex wankers , that became last year jihadists...
Anyway they are going to catch the " terrorists " , 3 little delinquents ( one has18 and the two others , brothers of 30 ) . They have their adresses and identity ... 3 little bastards , ex wankers , that became last year jihadists...
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Balboa
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Balboa on Jan 7, 2015 23:34:41 GMT 1, If these people don't like our way of life, why can't they just stop trying to kill the rest of us and f**k off to somewhere that has the way of life they want? [ What on earth are you on about? This place is f**king depressing. I don't see what's so confusing. They should stop trying to impose their way of life on us and go somewhere they'd perhaps be more happy.
If these people don't like our way of life, why can't they just stop trying to kill the rest of us and f**k off to somewhere that has the way of life they want? [ What on earth are you on about? This place is f**king depressing. I don't see what's so confusing. They should stop trying to impose their way of life on us and go somewhere they'd perhaps be more happy.
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LAZAKY
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Everybody okay in paris?, by LAZAKY on Jan 7, 2015 23:40:17 GMT 1, My country, freedom and and free speech has been attacked today... and that's terrible! I don't want to be involved in your debate guys, my only though is that we all need to stay together against that kind of act, cause today was Paris but those peoples seems to be ready to attack anybody anywhere, those killers do not represent Muslim or Islam, those guys are just insane! So don't be scared and please don't try to stigmatize a community, just raise your fist and say no to that kind of act! #jesuischarlie
My country, freedom and and free speech has been attacked today... and that's terrible! I don't want to be involved in your debate guys, my only though is that we all need to stay together against that kind of act, cause today was Paris but those peoples seems to be ready to attack anybody anywhere, those killers do not represent Muslim or Islam, those guys are just insane! So don't be scared and please don't try to stigmatize a community, just raise your fist and say no to that kind of act! #jesuischarlie
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Manymen2345
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Manymen2345 on Jan 7, 2015 23:48:04 GMT 1, French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence.
How many are killed in a day by usa drones?
The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England.
#jesuischarlie
French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence.
How many are killed in a day by usa drones?
The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England.
#jesuischarlie
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pollywaffle
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Everybody okay in paris?, by pollywaffle on Jan 7, 2015 23:56:14 GMT 1, Just woke up to hear this story and its very scary stuff. Thoughts are with everyone involved with it. It hits home a little harder seeing what happened here in Sydney a couple of weeks ago.
Just woke up to hear this story and its very scary stuff. Thoughts are with everyone involved with it. It hits home a little harder seeing what happened here in Sydney a couple of weeks ago.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 8, 2015 0:07:10 GMT 1, French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Well if it does happen in England anytime soon we've plenty of well versed people (few on here) who can go and give them a hug with their well wishes of 'Love & Peace'...
Maybe once they've all hugged it out, they'll change their ways and stop their psychotic ways, maybe even join the forum and start collecting art
To your above comment - ISIS is a war machine spreading venomous hatred. More so than anything we've ever experienced. Winston Churchill even had his own views on Islam. Would the forum turn on him for his views were he a member? If those 75 ISIS FIGHTERS hadn't have been killed, how many innocents would they in turn go on to slaughter for their westernised way of life?
No war is justified but if every world leader is FOR the new threat we face in ISIS, maybe you should let your vote do the talking and get someone in power, and lobby other governments to stop their oh so terrible war against a bunch of cowardice, spineless, murderers who can only kill the defenceless.
I tried to stay away from this thread but I've been accused this evening of being out of order, well I think you're living in a dream world and we all need to pray that there is an end to all this lunacy one day...
French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Well if it does happen in England anytime soon we've plenty of well versed people (few on here) who can go and give them a hug with their well wishes of 'Love & Peace'...
Maybe once they've all hugged it out, they'll change their ways and stop their psychotic ways, maybe even join the forum and start collecting art
To your above comment - ISIS is a war machine spreading venomous hatred. More so than anything we've ever experienced. Winston Churchill even had his own views on Islam. Would the forum turn on him for his views were he a member? If those 75 ISIS FIGHTERS hadn't have been killed, how many innocents would they in turn go on to slaughter for their westernised way of life?
No war is justified but if every world leader is FOR the new threat we face in ISIS, maybe you should let your vote do the talking and get someone in power, and lobby other governments to stop their oh so terrible war against a bunch of cowardice, spineless, murderers who can only kill the defenceless.
I tried to stay away from this thread but I've been accused this evening of being out of order, well I think you're living in a dream world and we all need to pray that there is an end to all this lunacy one day...
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curiousgeorge
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Everybody okay in paris?, by curiousgeorge on Jan 8, 2015 0:19:11 GMT 1, French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Well if it does happen in England anytime soon we've plenty of well versed people (few on here) who can go and give them a hug with their well wishes of 'Love & Peace'...
Maybe once they've all hugged it out, they'll change their ways and stop their psychotic ways, maybe even join the forum and start collecting art
To your above comment - ISIS is a war machine spreading venomous hatred. More so than anything we've ever experienced. Winston Churchill even had his own views on Islam. Would the forum turn on him for his views were he a member? If those 75 ISIS FIGHTERS hadn't have been killed, how many innocents would they in turn go on to slaughter for their westernised way of life?
No war is justified but if every world leader is FOR the new threat we face in ISIS, maybe you should let your vote do the talking and get someone in power, and lobby other governments to stop their oh so terrible war against a bunch of cowardice, spineless, murderers who can only kill the defenceless.
I tried to stay away from this thread but I've been accused this evening of being out of order, well I think you're living in a dream world and we all need to pray that there is an end to all this lunacy one day…
Hate to burst that bubble you live in but the world can only be fixed with Love and Peace(throw tolerance in as well) Hatred/ignorance/revenge has got us into this mess.To suggest people who understand this fundamental aspect of life as tree-huggers is plain rude.
What happens if we round up the families of those involved and put them through a meat grinder??
What happens if we round 'em all up, stick 'em in a field and bomb the bastards?
Just curious…
BTW I had a L8 postcode as a child and don't feel the need to spout absolute bollacks
French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Well if it does happen in England anytime soon we've plenty of well versed people (few on here) who can go and give them a hug with their well wishes of 'Love & Peace'...
Maybe once they've all hugged it out, they'll change their ways and stop their psychotic ways, maybe even join the forum and start collecting art
To your above comment - ISIS is a war machine spreading venomous hatred. More so than anything we've ever experienced. Winston Churchill even had his own views on Islam. Would the forum turn on him for his views were he a member? If those 75 ISIS FIGHTERS hadn't have been killed, how many innocents would they in turn go on to slaughter for their westernised way of life?
No war is justified but if every world leader is FOR the new threat we face in ISIS, maybe you should let your vote do the talking and get someone in power, and lobby other governments to stop their oh so terrible war against a bunch of cowardice, spineless, murderers who can only kill the defenceless.
I tried to stay away from this thread but I've been accused this evening of being out of order, well I think you're living in a dream world and we all need to pray that there is an end to all this lunacy one day…
Hate to burst that bubble you live in but the world can only be fixed with Love and Peace(throw tolerance in as well) Hatred/ignorance/revenge has got us into this mess.To suggest people who understand this fundamental aspect of life as tree-huggers is plain rude. What happens if we round up the families of those involved and put them through a meat grinder?? What happens if we round 'em all up, stick 'em in a field and bomb the bastards? Just curious… BTW I had a L8 postcode as a child and don't feel the need to spout absolute bollacks
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urbanflik
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Everybody okay in paris?, by urbanflik on Jan 8, 2015 0:24:49 GMT 1, If the earths life span was measured as the length of the M25, humans have been around for the equivalent of just 7 meters. It's crazy to imagine that we have concocted so many religions, ideologies, and general relishious driven madness in such a short period of time. Some people believe their god created earth, Adam / eve, Mohammed, satan...whatever. Everyone has their right to believe but it's just profound how we've got ourselves into this mess in such a short space of time. Life is beautiful but brutal as well. We will hopefully look back many many years from now in disgust at how our race could have ended up behaving likee that just like we look back at holicaust or similar.
I hope our friends in Paris recover strong.
If the earths life span was measured as the length of the M25, humans have been around for the equivalent of just 7 meters. It's crazy to imagine that we have concocted so many religions, ideologies, and general relishious driven madness in such a short period of time. Some people believe their god created earth, Adam / eve, Mohammed, satan...whatever. Everyone has their right to believe but it's just profound how we've got ourselves into this mess in such a short space of time. Life is beautiful but brutal as well. We will hopefully look back many many years from now in disgust at how our race could have ended up behaving likee that just like we look back at holicaust or similar.
I hope our friends in Paris recover strong.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 8, 2015 0:27:19 GMT 1, Funny that as I went to school and lived in L8 too. We lived there in the 80's right after the riots. My nan lived there, my auntie during the riots... And? Want a medal? You're not a Scouser as you would've said. And therefore would share a fairly similar sentiment to me of reality!
I don't understand which 'BOLLACKS' you lay claim to be spouting. If you're going to deliver a sucker punch to someone, at least learn how to spell properly first so that your delivery can have maximum effect But you 'my friend' (I use that term loosely) ARE indeed talking b0ll0cks!
SO take your Love, Peace & Tolerance (which I believe in greatly too!) & go to this type of people you so wish to defend. Everyone will only be looking at your decapitation on the internet soon after.
It's not about rudeness or ignorance now - this is keyboard warriors like yourself who don't live in the real world and think everything can be sorted with great rhetoric... Sadly, reality bites you on the @rse sometimes
Funny that as I went to school and lived in L8 too. We lived there in the 80's right after the riots. My nan lived there, my auntie during the riots... And? Want a medal? You're not a Scouser as you would've said. And therefore would share a fairly similar sentiment to me of reality! I don't understand which 'BOLLACKS' you lay claim to be spouting. If you're going to deliver a sucker punch to someone, at least learn how to spell properly first so that your delivery can have maximum effect But you 'my friend' (I use that term loosely) ARE indeed talking b0ll0cks! SO take your Love, Peace & Tolerance (which I believe in greatly too!) & go to this type of people you so wish to defend. Everyone will only be looking at your decapitation on the internet soon after. It's not about rudeness or ignorance now - this is keyboard warriors like yourself who don't live in the real world and think everything can be sorted with great rhetoric... Sadly, reality bites you on the @rse sometimes
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 0:31:00 GMT 1, Time for you to step away from the computer
Time for you to step away from the computer
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 8, 2015 0:32:00 GMT 1, Time for you to step away from the computer
It sure is sad what people do for likes on here...
Time for you to step away from the computer
It sure is sad what people do for likes on here...
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curiousgeorge
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Everybody okay in paris?, by curiousgeorge on Jan 8, 2015 0:40:29 GMT 1, Tried reason and logic. I'll keep it super simple for you.. These are genuine questions too
What happens if we round up the families of those involved and put them through a meat grinder??
What happens if we round 'em all up, stick 'em in a field and bomb the bastards?
What do the two things above fix??
Defending ISIS militants for not agreeing with you…
Tried reason and logic. I'll keep it super simple for you.. These are genuine questions too
What happens if we round up the families of those involved and put them through a meat grinder??
What happens if we round 'em all up, stick 'em in a field and bomb the bastards?
What do the two things above fix??
Defending ISIS militants for not agreeing with you…
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dreadnatty
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Everybody okay in paris?, by dreadnatty on Jan 8, 2015 0:42:58 GMT 1, French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Just wondering how you would suggest to deal with ISIS? Shall people just stand by and watch them take over towns/cities/countries killing thousands(many of which are fellow Muslims),enslaving/raping women/children and forcing the rest to live under Sharia?
French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Just wondering how you would suggest to deal with ISIS? Shall people just stand by and watch them take over towns/cities/countries killing thousands(many of which are fellow Muslims),enslaving/raping women/children and forcing the rest to live under Sharia?
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 0:47:29 GMT 1, French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Just wondering how you would suggest to deal with ISIS? Shall people just stand by and watch them take over towns/cities/countries killing thousands(many of which are fellow Muslims),enslaving/raping women/children and forcing the rest to live under Sharia?
The new Bombing campaign has really stopped all these 'terrorist' attacks eh
French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie Just wondering how you would suggest to deal with ISIS? Shall people just stand by and watch them take over towns/cities/countries killing thousands(many of which are fellow Muslims),enslaving/raping women/children and forcing the rest to live under Sharia? The new Bombing campaign has really stopped all these 'terrorist' attacks eh
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iamzero
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Everybody okay in paris?, by iamzero on Jan 8, 2015 0:47:59 GMT 1, I reckon we should tell Kim Jong Un that Isis called him a massive girl.
I reckon we should tell Kim Jong Un that Isis called him a massive girl.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 0:48:12 GMT 1, Time for you to step away from the computer
It sure is sad what people do for likes on here...
Yes bad robot is all about the likes
Time for you to step away from the computer
It sure is sad what people do for likes on here...
Yes bad robot is all about the likes
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Everybody okay in paris?, by t3c on Jan 8, 2015 0:48:16 GMT 1, French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie It already did, 52 Londoners lost their lives to suicide bombers who targeted the London Underground & buses during morning rush hour back in 7/7/05
French war place killed 75 Isis members . Isis killed 12 french citizens. Violence begets more violence. How many are killed in a day by usa drones? The world is slowly becoming a scary place. Pray such barbaric act doesn't happen in England. #jesuischarlie It already did, 52 Londoners lost their lives to suicide bombers who targeted the London Underground & buses during morning rush hour back in 7/7/05
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chads007
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Everybody okay in paris?, by chads007 on Jan 8, 2015 0:48:56 GMT 1, Liverpool you're part of the problem I would try and debate this with you but you really need to broaden your knowledge base first. Save your hatred for another day and maybe give a minutes silence to those effected on BOTH sides (ie. Those killed by war (on terror) too). Not hatred from me - only sympathies to the families who've lost loved ones.
WHERE do you read hatred? I'm simply stating MY VIEW, which a lot of people agree with too but don't voice it for this exact reaction.
Think the 'hatred' came from referencing a whole 'race' 'back to own countries' 'eye for an eye' 'family. ..meat grinders'.
What do the families have to do with the criminals involved?
Will there be world order if you inflict further pain or suffering?
Liverpool you're part of the problem I would try and debate this with you but you really need to broaden your knowledge base first. Save your hatred for another day and maybe give a minutes silence to those effected on BOTH sides (ie. Those killed by war (on terror) too). Not hatred from me - only sympathies to the families who've lost loved ones.
WHERE do you read hatred? I'm simply stating MY VIEW, which a lot of people agree with too but don't voice it for this exact reaction.
Think the 'hatred' came from referencing a whole 'race' 'back to own countries' 'eye for an eye' 'family. ..meat grinders'. What do the families have to do with the criminals involved? Will there be world order if you inflict further pain or suffering?
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dreadnatty
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Everybody okay in paris?, by dreadnatty on Jan 8, 2015 0:50:22 GMT 1, Just wondering how you would suggest to deal with ISIS? Shall people just stand by and watch them take over towns/cities/countries killing thousands(many of which are fellow Muslims),enslaving/raping women/children and forcing the rest to live under Sharia? The new Bombing campaign has really stopped all these 'terrorist' attacks eh Ill ask again - what do you propose we do?
Just wondering how you would suggest to deal with ISIS? Shall people just stand by and watch them take over towns/cities/countries killing thousands(many of which are fellow Muslims),enslaving/raping women/children and forcing the rest to live under Sharia? The new Bombing campaign has really stopped all these 'terrorist' attacks eh Ill ask again - what do you propose we do?
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 8, 2015 0:54:40 GMT 1, Reason & logic? Is that what questioning someone is? Erm, okay then! You're very Curious indeed!
IF we do to the families of the cowards who want to kill innocent PEOPLE LIKE US, hopefully it'd have a profound and lasting effect on them that serves as a deterrent to not commit such atrocities in the future.
Maybe then when we're all on an even playing field, where everyone abides by the rules, we can then all sit down and discuss difference to build a Utopia. Until then, sadly the only language violence understands is violence in retaliation. No amount if discussion/prayer will save you from it.
Who mentioned sticking them in a field and bombing the bastards? Not I... IF two Scousers want to fight, two Cockneys want to fight, two Amercians, two Russians etc (you get the picture) then let them do it. Away from where innocents could be brought into it like the elderly, young - could be my kids who are walking past with me and my partner and they get caught in the melee. Any innocent or defenceless person really which we all are, against an anonymous plotter with an agenda of hatred that is to cause death only. Exactly the same method of thinking that these terrorists are getting innocent people caught up in their political statements.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE I'M WRONG?! To ask for something more than what is currently being done? It won't happen. Yet you berate me for voicing an opinion. Are you a terrorist, or in this case Jihadist sympathiser that wishes to eradicate free speech now?! Maybe we're not so different after all, albeit on different sides of the fence with our opinions...
Reason & logic? Is that what questioning someone is? Erm, okay then! You're very Curious indeed!
IF we do to the families of the cowards who want to kill innocent PEOPLE LIKE US, hopefully it'd have a profound and lasting effect on them that serves as a deterrent to not commit such atrocities in the future.
Maybe then when we're all on an even playing field, where everyone abides by the rules, we can then all sit down and discuss difference to build a Utopia. Until then, sadly the only language violence understands is violence in retaliation. No amount if discussion/prayer will save you from it.
Who mentioned sticking them in a field and bombing the bastards? Not I... IF two Scousers want to fight, two Cockneys want to fight, two Amercians, two Russians etc (you get the picture) then let them do it. Away from where innocents could be brought into it like the elderly, young - could be my kids who are walking past with me and my partner and they get caught in the melee. Any innocent or defenceless person really which we all are, against an anonymous plotter with an agenda of hatred that is to cause death only. Exactly the same method of thinking that these terrorists are getting innocent people caught up in their political statements.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE I'M WRONG?! To ask for something more than what is currently being done? It won't happen. Yet you berate me for voicing an opinion. Are you a terrorist, or in this case Jihadist sympathiser that wishes to eradicate free speech now?! Maybe we're not so different after all, albeit on different sides of the fence with our opinions...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 8, 2015 0:59:27 GMT 1,
It sure is sad what people do for likes on here...
Yes bad robot is all about the likes
Sorry to break this to you but you've placed 1,667 posts using a wrongly spelt forum name...
It sure is sad what people do for likes on here...
Yes bad robot is all about the likes
Sorry to break this to you but you've placed 1,667 posts using a wrongly spelt forum name...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Nick on Jan 8, 2015 1:04:13 GMT 1, Reason & logic? Is that what questioning someone is? Erm, okay then! You're very Curious indeed! IF we do to the families of the cowards who want to kill innocent PEOPLE LIKE US, hopefully it'd have a profound and lasting effect on them that serves as a deterrent to not commit such atrocities in the future. reading your posts i am shocked. You absolutely need to step away from your PC.
What you are somehow missing is that the families of these extremists are often innocents themselves, forced into marriage, and who may possess completely different ideologies. Suggesting we kill them as retribution is copying the exact mantra that these people hold themselves. Violance on this level will solve nothing. If ISIS members can be wiped out somehow that is a different argument, as they need stopping. Suggesting we meat grinder their families....the words of a fool.
Reason & logic? Is that what questioning someone is? Erm, okay then! You're very Curious indeed! IF we do to the families of the cowards who want to kill innocent PEOPLE LIKE US, hopefully it'd have a profound and lasting effect on them that serves as a deterrent to not commit such atrocities in the future. reading your posts i am shocked. You absolutely need to step away from your PC. What you are somehow missing is that the families of these extremists are often innocents themselves, forced into marriage, and who may possess completely different ideologies. Suggesting we kill them as retribution is copying the exact mantra that these people hold themselves. Violance on this level will solve nothing. If ISIS members can be wiped out somehow that is a different argument, as they need stopping. Suggesting we meat grinder their families....the words of a fool.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by sgolby on Jan 8, 2015 1:07:51 GMT 1, Which philosophy do I subscribe to? The eye for an eye one? Maybe it isn't the way but it's a way we haven't tried yet. Or tell me what IS the answer then? I know all about innocents being killed by drones and even their own tyrannical, corrupt governments. I used to be a fundraiser (a very good one too!) for Oxfam Emergency Response and our main focus was what was happening in Syria. The best we ever did for Oxfam was during Ramadan in Preston where Muslims give a contribution of their wealth called Zakat. It was Summer, the streets were full of charitable people and the message we gave was simple - people need basic things for survival. No mention of war was mentioned, no mention of who was right/wrong was spoken of. We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world. Terrorists, regardless of where they're from do not share such sentiments and are only full of apathy. Terrorists in my mind are spineless. Do they attack military or government targets only? No, they attack the environment/s that Joe Bloggs and his family frequents. You can't defend guns & other devices with words or the greatest will in the world... Please do not confuse my statement with an accusation. Were i accusing you, i would not have said "seem to subscribe to." All i am saying is that violence is cyclical, but so too can peace. What makes peace more difficult to maintain is that when force is used to maintain peace it must be done with restraint or we risk becoming the beast.
I applaud your work with oxfam, and applaud "We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world." Even more.
An eye for an eye only leads to two blind men fighting one another without seeing the other as his equal....
Once we begin to lose sight of this, we become the beasts, and when i read your earlier words that is the way i felt.
I am a New Yorker, and on 9/11 all i wanted to do was grab a gun and go kill muslims. When bombs are lobbed into southern israel, meters from my families homes, i want to grab a gun and go kill palestinians. However, i remind myself that i must find the strength not to. I must differentiate between the beast and it's home or i become the beast myself. When this happens the terrorists win, because then i become a blind man fighting another blind mand, unable to see the beauty that is that man... Unable to see that he is my brother, but is blind to see it. So i must hug him, and make him feel that i am his brother...
i do not fault you for your feelings. I do not hate you. I simply ask that you recognize that we can all become the beast, however if we do, then all we will do is devour one another, and we will never see beauty again...
Which philosophy do I subscribe to? The eye for an eye one? Maybe it isn't the way but it's a way we haven't tried yet. Or tell me what IS the answer then? I know all about innocents being killed by drones and even their own tyrannical, corrupt governments. I used to be a fundraiser (a very good one too!) for Oxfam Emergency Response and our main focus was what was happening in Syria. The best we ever did for Oxfam was during Ramadan in Preston where Muslims give a contribution of their wealth called Zakat. It was Summer, the streets were full of charitable people and the message we gave was simple - people need basic things for survival. No mention of war was mentioned, no mention of who was right/wrong was spoken of. We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world. Terrorists, regardless of where they're from do not share such sentiments and are only full of apathy. Terrorists in my mind are spineless. Do they attack military or government targets only? No, they attack the environment/s that Joe Bloggs and his family frequents. You can't defend guns & other devices with words or the greatest will in the world... Please do not confuse my statement with an accusation. Were i accusing you, i would not have said "seem to subscribe to." All i am saying is that violence is cyclical, but so too can peace. What makes peace more difficult to maintain is that when force is used to maintain peace it must be done with restraint or we risk becoming the beast. I applaud your work with oxfam, and applaud "We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world." Even more. An eye for an eye only leads to two blind men fighting one another without seeing the other as his equal.... Once we begin to lose sight of this, we become the beasts, and when i read your earlier words that is the way i felt. I am a New Yorker, and on 9/11 all i wanted to do was grab a gun and go kill muslims. When bombs are lobbed into southern israel, meters from my families homes, i want to grab a gun and go kill palestinians. However, i remind myself that i must find the strength not to. I must differentiate between the beast and it's home or i become the beast myself. When this happens the terrorists win, because then i become a blind man fighting another blind mand, unable to see the beauty that is that man... Unable to see that he is my brother, but is blind to see it. So i must hug him, and make him feel that i am his brother... i do not fault you for your feelings. I do not hate you. I simply ask that you recognize that we can all become the beast, however if we do, then all we will do is devour one another, and we will never see beauty again...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by sgolby on Jan 8, 2015 1:16:43 GMT 1, The new Bombing campaign has really stopped all these 'terrorist' attacks eh Ill ask again - what do you propose we do? I propose that we do so in a way that not only destroys, but also builds... When we bomb in a vaccuum that is filled with one message, we only amplify that message... Not easy, but possible... Possible only if we accept that inso doing we will risk economic and physical security...
The new Bombing campaign has really stopped all these 'terrorist' attacks eh Ill ask again - what do you propose we do? I propose that we do so in a way that not only destroys, but also builds... When we bomb in a vaccuum that is filled with one message, we only amplify that message... Not easy, but possible... Possible only if we accept that inso doing we will risk economic and physical security...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 1:24:24 GMT 1, Banksy on Hebdo
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Everybody okay in paris?, by dreadnatty on Jan 8, 2015 1:33:52 GMT 1, Ill ask again - what do you propose we do? I propose that we do so in a way that not only destroys, but also builds... When we bomb in a vaccuum that is filled with one message, we only amplify that message... Not easy, but possible... Possible only if we accept that inso doing we will risk economic and physical security... Agree. Ultimately the problem will never be completely resolved unless it comes from within(the ~1.6billion Muslims). Radicals need to be marginalized/ostracized and removed from positions of power/education/leadership by fellow Muslims. Until that happens it will remain ugly IMO.
Ill ask again - what do you propose we do? I propose that we do so in a way that not only destroys, but also builds... When we bomb in a vaccuum that is filled with one message, we only amplify that message... Not easy, but possible... Possible only if we accept that inso doing we will risk economic and physical security... Agree. Ultimately the problem will never be completely resolved unless it comes from within(the ~1.6billion Muslims). Radicals need to be marginalized/ostracized and removed from positions of power/education/leadership by fellow Muslims. Until that happens it will remain ugly IMO.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 8, 2015 1:34:17 GMT 1, Which philosophy do I subscribe to? The eye for an eye one? Maybe it isn't the way but it's a way we haven't tried yet. Or tell me what IS the answer then? I know all about innocents being killed by drones and even their own tyrannical, corrupt governments. I used to be a fundraiser (a very good one too!) for Oxfam Emergency Response and our main focus was what was happening in Syria. The best we ever did for Oxfam was during Ramadan in Preston where Muslims give a contribution of their wealth called Zakat. It was Summer, the streets were full of charitable people and the message we gave was simple - people need basic things for survival. No mention of war was mentioned, no mention of who was right/wrong was spoken of. We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world. Terrorists, regardless of where they're from do not share such sentiments and are only full of apathy. Terrorists in my mind are spineless. Do they attack military or government targets only? No, they attack the environment/s that Joe Bloggs and his family frequents. You can't defend guns & other devices with words or the greatest will in the world... Please do not confuse my statement with an accusation. Were i accusing you, i would not have said "seem to subscribe to." All i am saying is that violence is cyclical, but so too can peace. What makes peace more difficult to maintain is that when force is used to maintain peace it must be done with restraint or we risk becoming the beast. I applaud your work with oxfam, and applaud "We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world." Even more. An eye for an eye only leads to two blind men fighting one another without seeing the other as his equal.... Once we begin to lose sight of this, we become the beasts, and when i read your earlier words that is the way i felt. I am a New Yorker, and on 9/11 all i wanted to do was grab a gun and go kill muslims. When bombs are lobbed into southern israel, meters from my families homes, i want to grab a gun and go kill palestinians. However, i remind myself that i must find the strength not to. I must differentiate between the beast and it's home or i become the beast myself. When this happens the terrorists win, because then i become a blind man fighting another blind mand, unable to see the beauty that is that man... Unable to see that he is my brother, but is blind to see it. So i must hug him, and make him feel that i am his brother... i do not fault you for your feelings. I do not hate you. I simply ask that you recognize that we can all become the beast, however if we do, then all we will do is devour one another, and we will never see beauty again... The best and most resonating post in this whole thread. I hear you and wish it could done. It won't happen though as ISIS have guns - we wouldn't get close enough to try and hug him to embrace him as a brother, as we'd be slain. All for our beliefs as Westerners.
There is no quick solution to this. Wish I knew but if Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jnr and all the other great speakers couldn't solve all problems present in their day, little people like myself cannot
Which philosophy do I subscribe to? The eye for an eye one? Maybe it isn't the way but it's a way we haven't tried yet. Or tell me what IS the answer then? I know all about innocents being killed by drones and even their own tyrannical, corrupt governments. I used to be a fundraiser (a very good one too!) for Oxfam Emergency Response and our main focus was what was happening in Syria. The best we ever did for Oxfam was during Ramadan in Preston where Muslims give a contribution of their wealth called Zakat. It was Summer, the streets were full of charitable people and the message we gave was simple - people need basic things for survival. No mention of war was mentioned, no mention of who was right/wrong was spoken of. We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world. Terrorists, regardless of where they're from do not share such sentiments and are only full of apathy. Terrorists in my mind are spineless. Do they attack military or government targets only? No, they attack the environment/s that Joe Bloggs and his family frequents. You can't defend guns & other devices with words or the greatest will in the world... Please do not confuse my statement with an accusation. Were i accusing you, i would not have said "seem to subscribe to." All i am saying is that violence is cyclical, but so too can peace. What makes peace more difficult to maintain is that when force is used to maintain peace it must be done with restraint or we risk becoming the beast. I applaud your work with oxfam, and applaud "We simply asked that everyone has a right to a fair chance of survival/happiness in this world." Even more. An eye for an eye only leads to two blind men fighting one another without seeing the other as his equal.... Once we begin to lose sight of this, we become the beasts, and when i read your earlier words that is the way i felt. I am a New Yorker, and on 9/11 all i wanted to do was grab a gun and go kill muslims. When bombs are lobbed into southern israel, meters from my families homes, i want to grab a gun and go kill palestinians. However, i remind myself that i must find the strength not to. I must differentiate between the beast and it's home or i become the beast myself. When this happens the terrorists win, because then i become a blind man fighting another blind mand, unable to see the beauty that is that man... Unable to see that he is my brother, but is blind to see it. So i must hug him, and make him feel that i am his brother... i do not fault you for your feelings. I do not hate you. I simply ask that you recognize that we can all become the beast, however if we do, then all we will do is devour one another, and we will never see beauty again... The best and most resonating post in this whole thread. I hear you and wish it could done. It won't happen though as ISIS have guns - we wouldn't get close enough to try and hug him to embrace him as a brother, as we'd be slain. All for our beliefs as Westerners.
There is no quick solution to this. Wish I knew but if Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jnr and all the other great speakers couldn't solve all problems present in their day, little people like myself cannot
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