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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pal-Art on Mar 6, 2019 21:51:53 GMT 1, The original price was around 60K right? 40K and 6K tax total 46K
The original price was around 60K right? 40K and 6K tax total 46K
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Gunny on Mar 6, 2019 22:07:57 GMT 1, Don't forget at 70k, it would be close to ยฃ100k for any buyer with buyers premium, that's double cost price. I would still think buyers will be weighing this up and making calls to Bonham's tomorrow, as at ยฃ100k it's a great price for an editioned original by the man. It's a really decent piece of art, just wrong timing, wrong auction house, wrong auction type and a hard sell as it's not that pretty! I would be surprised if you see any come to auction any time soon, which is good I think! Most probably there will be 2 or 3 touted around on the secondary by buyers desperate to get their money back - good time to buy!
Don't forget at 70k, it would be close to ยฃ100k for any buyer with buyers premium, that's double cost price. I would still think buyers will be weighing this up and making calls to Bonham's tomorrow, as at ยฃ100k it's a great price for an editioned original by the man. It's a really decent piece of art, just wrong timing, wrong auction house, wrong auction type and a hard sell as it's not that pretty! I would be surprised if you see any come to auction any time soon, which is good I think! Most probably there will be 2 or 3 touted around on the secondary by buyers desperate to get their money back - good time to buy!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 22:09:21 GMT 1, You can be certain the reserve was the low estimate in this case as it is most of the time. As the sales approach the houses will try to get consignors to lower their reserve below the low estimate for works with minimal interest. Obviously this consignor did not lower their reserve or it would have sold at 68 IF the 68 were a true bid. As a habit I always negate any bid on an unsold lot as they are more often than not simply a chandelier. Important to note that the houses have 30 days minimum to work the unsold lots for post sale bids where the consignor may or may not lower their reserve. I've even seen lots that went unsold at auction that sold post sale for more than the high estimate so anything can and does happen. Nice post lee3. I would think it was the house bidding as if it was a real bidder their not going to lose it for the extra 2 grand
I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68
sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k
seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay
also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term
You can be certain the reserve was the low estimate in this case as it is most of the time. As the sales approach the houses will try to get consignors to lower their reserve below the low estimate for works with minimal interest. Obviously this consignor did not lower their reserve or it would have sold at 68 IF the 68 were a true bid. As a habit I always negate any bid on an unsold lot as they are more often than not simply a chandelier. Important to note that the houses have 30 days minimum to work the unsold lots for post sale bids where the consignor may or may not lower their reserve. I've even seen lots that went unsold at auction that sold post sale for more than the high estimate so anything can and does happen. Nice post lee3. I would think it was the house bidding as if it was a real bidder their not going to lose it for the extra 2 grand I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by artearte on Mar 6, 2019 22:13:51 GMT 1, Don't forget at 70k, it would be close to ยฃ100k for any buyer with buyers premium, that's double cost price. I would still think buyers will be weighing this up and making calls to Bonham's tomorrow, as at ยฃ100k it's a great price for an editioned original by the man. It's a really decent piece of art, just wrong timing, wrong auction house, wrong auction type and a hard sell as it's not that pretty! I would be surprised if you see any come to auction any time soon, which is good I think! Most probably there will be 2 or 3 touted around on the secondary by buyers desperate to get their money back - good time to buy!
Donโt worry! Maybe next one will for for over 100k and you can have a good sleep.
Don't forget at 70k, it would be close to ยฃ100k for any buyer with buyers premium, that's double cost price. I would still think buyers will be weighing this up and making calls to Bonham's tomorrow, as at ยฃ100k it's a great price for an editioned original by the man. It's a really decent piece of art, just wrong timing, wrong auction house, wrong auction type and a hard sell as it's not that pretty! I would be surprised if you see any come to auction any time soon, which is good I think! Most probably there will be 2 or 3 touted around on the secondary by buyers desperate to get their money back - good time to buy! Donโt worry! Maybe next one will for for over 100k and you can have a good sleep.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 6, 2019 22:42:32 GMT 1, Nice post lee3. I would think it was the house bidding as if it was a real bidder their not going to lose it for the extra 2 grand I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots.
I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70. Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one.
I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k.
Like a dick head i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's .
Nice post lee3. I would think it was the house bidding as if it was a real bidder their not going to lose it for the extra 2 grand I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70. Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one. I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's .
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Unica on Mar 6, 2019 22:46:36 GMT 1, I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70. Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one. I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's . Are you able to ask them to remove the record of an unsold lot? I'd think they'd want it recorded so they can point it out to the next person who brings them a grappling hook in order to tame their expectations.
I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70. Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one. I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's . Are you able to ask them to remove the record of an unsold lot? I'd think they'd want it recorded so they can point it out to the next person who brings them a grappling hook in order to tame their expectations.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 6, 2019 22:50:20 GMT 1, It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70. Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one. I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's . Are you able to ask them to remove the record of an unsold lot? I'd think they'd want it recorded so they can point it out to the next person who brings them a grappling hook in order to tame their expectations. I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask
It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70. Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one. I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's . Are you able to ask them to remove the record of an unsold lot? I'd think they'd want it recorded so they can point it out to the next person who brings them a grappling hook in order to tame their expectations. I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Winter on Mar 6, 2019 23:39:23 GMT 1, It will be recorded on every website that has auction result data. I think a few more pages of this thread and it will be talked back up to a couple of hundred thousand!
It will be recorded on every website that has auction result data. I think a few more pages of this thread and it will be talked back up to a couple of hundred thousand!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by cest on Mar 7, 2019 3:32:50 GMT 1, I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70.ย Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one.ย ย ย I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head ย i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's .
Funny you say that about Bonhams and dali... About four years ago I picked up a Dali lithograph that no one wanted to bid on (reserve was high). I emailed them seeing if they would take post auction offers and the accepted mine. Think I got it shipped to the United States all in for $1,000. I'm sitting across from it now while I'm writing this.
I think its win win, glad it didn't got for the 68 sellers fees at say 10% they would have cleared 60, then the buyers fees at 30% around 20k. so the house would clear around 28k seller would be gutted if it had of hit 70k as he could get more for it on eBay also not sure as it didn't sell what happens in a year or so when another is chucked in to auction, does it show as not sold, or does it show the low estimate and not sold as its certainly tainted it short term It will stay in the Bonham's archives as unsold. If i was the seller i would be straight onto them to ask if they could remove it from the unsold lots. I really like these myself, but wrong auction house. Very surprised it didn't hit the 70.ย Really this won't do too much damage as it was too early to auction one. Sotheby's and Phillips have very different clients to Bonham's and i'd say that's where we will see the next one.ย ย ย I had a full set of 25 hand signed Dali lithographs with the original box. These were very large and most of the sets were broken up and sold single. (Rare to get the full set) To cut a long story short they were in Bonham's and on the day of the auction i got a call from them to ask would i drop the reserve to 8k. Like a dick head ย i did, and that's what they sold for. (no bids on the day) My one and only time to use Bonham's . Funny you say that about Bonhams and dali... About four years ago I picked up a Dali lithograph that no one wanted to bid on (reserve was high). I emailed them seeing if they would take post auction offers and the accepted mine. Think I got it shipped to the United States all in for $1,000. I'm sitting across from it now while I'm writing this.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by JJN on Mar 7, 2019 3:50:38 GMT 1, Are you able to ask them to remove the record of an unsold lot? I'd think they'd want it recorded so they can point it out to the next person who brings them a grappling hook in order to tame their expectations. I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is now "burned " all auction activity being genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid.
Are you able to ask them to remove the record of an unsold lot? I'd think they'd want it recorded so they can point it out to the next person who brings them a grappling hook in order to tame their expectations. I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is now "burned " all auction activity being genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Express Post on Mar 7, 2019 4:11:45 GMT 1, Not really burned. The buyer still makes money if they sell it for 60k
I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is nowย "burned " all auction activity beingย genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid.
Not really burned. The buyer still makes money if they sell it for 60k I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is nowย "burned " all auction activity beingย genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by juveniled on Mar 7, 2019 7:21:06 GMT 1, I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience.
I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Unica on Mar 7, 2019 8:49:50 GMT 1, My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum.
My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Carl Cashman on Mar 7, 2019 9:09:53 GMT 1, My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. What ever buyers do, please don't cut up the box ffs !!
If I'm dropping 35k on art... I want to hang it, not put it in a safety deposit box!. I turned down going halfs on a hook direct for this exact reason, even though I think in 5 years itl be a 200k piece.
My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. What ever buyers do, please don't cut up the box ffs !! If I'm dropping 35k on art... I want to hang it, not put it in a safety deposit box!. I turned down going halfs on a hook direct for this exact reason, even though I think in 5 years itl be a 200k piece.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by The Italian One on Mar 7, 2019 9:29:24 GMT 1, My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. if somebody will organise i'm in... i do not know how but i think there is a need of some contract or legal assistance
My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. if somebody will organise i'm in... i do not know how but i think there is a need of some contract or legal assistance
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by silvermyn on Mar 7, 2019 9:46:01 GMT 1, This is great. I think Iโll be able to get one after all. Try catawiki next week Or eBay perhaps
This is great. I think Iโll be able to get one after all. Try catawiki next week Or eBay perhaps
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silvermyn
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by silvermyn on Mar 7, 2019 10:01:51 GMT 1, And the winner was... Manty! Thank-You I am not happy being right, but if people dont know its for sale they will have a problem bidding on it have I mentioned how much I hate Bonhams? Don't blame Bonhams, it's the piece.
Many punters who bought prints at cost could pretty much be guaranteed to sell them for multiple times cost within a few hours, days or weeks. This expectation has transferred to anything Banksy bought from source at cost. It's not a realistic expecation, especially when you're buying something that is not to everyone's taste.
IMHO, no auction house could have sold this for over a ยฃ100k so (relatively) soon after release. Give it 5-10 years and the situation may be different but I don't see this at ยฃ300k for a looooooooooooong time.
And the winner was... Manty! Thank-You I am not happy being right, but if people dont know its for sale they will have a problem bidding on it have I mentioned how much I hate Bonhams? Don't blame Bonhams, it's the piece.
Many punters who bought prints at cost could pretty much be guaranteed to sell them for multiple times cost within a few hours, days or weeks. This expectation has transferred to anything Banksy bought from source at cost. It's not a realistic expecation, especially when you're buying something that is not to everyone's taste.
IMHO, no auction house could have sold this for over a ยฃ100k so (relatively) soon after release. Give it 5-10 years and the situation may be different but I don't see this at ยฃ300k for a looooooooooooong time.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by 19818914 on Mar 7, 2019 10:01:52 GMT 1, It seems like the works with young girls in them sell the best. However, I do remember a print in the Robin Williams Sotheby's sale that did rather well. It had the same gentleman hanging on the cross. But this time he had just come from a shopping trip.
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing this sculpture- is that what you call it?- in person but it seems like a much more substantial work of art than a print. I mean, what is a print anyway?
Even his smaller canvases can be quite dull. A simple spray of a Montana can over a stencil will run you quite a bit of cash. This work is bold, it's relevant to his passion project- Walled off Hotel- and will be sure to stir some conversation in my mother's basement.
While I was surprised to see it passed, I am excited to know that it's still accessible.
It seems like the works with young girls in them sell the best. However, I do remember a print in the Robin Williams Sotheby's sale that did rather well. It had the same gentleman hanging on the cross. But this time he had just come from a shopping trip.
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing this sculpture- is that what you call it?- in person but it seems like a much more substantial work of art than a print. I mean, what is a print anyway?
Even his smaller canvases can be quite dull. A simple spray of a Montana can over a stencil will run you quite a bit of cash. This work is bold, it's relevant to his passion project- Walled off Hotel- and will be sure to stir some conversation in my mother's basement.
While I was surprised to see it passed, I am excited to know that it's still accessible.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 7, 2019 10:14:57 GMT 1, So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy That's also my experience and I love them for that
So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy That's also my experience and I love them for that
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 7, 2019 10:21:53 GMT 1, This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!!
This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 7, 2019 10:25:57 GMT 1, I really donโt necessarily blame the auction house here I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and itโs context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what itโs trying to tell you. Iโm not into the blatant religious statement pieces but Iโd much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made. People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a Girl With Balloon print Of course the auction house can't be blamed ! It was well advertised and displayed. Bonhams is actually THE place to go if you're genuinely interested to buy a Banksy artworks you really like / want. Your chances to get it at a good price are in theory much higher than at Christie's or Sotheby's. However, when a piece is not appealing enough or with too high estimates then it just doesn't sell (ie. the Sex Pistols at Sotheby's). Quite simple really
I really donโt necessarily blame the auction house here I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and itโs context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what itโs trying to tell you. Iโm not into the blatant religious statement pieces but Iโd much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made. People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a Girl With Balloon print Of course the auction house can't be blamed ! It was well advertised and displayed. Bonhams is actually THE place to go if you're genuinely interested to buy a Banksy artworks you really like / want. Your chances to get it at a good price are in theory much higher than at Christie's or Sotheby's. However, when a piece is not appealing enough or with too high estimates then it just doesn't sell (ie. the Sex Pistols at Sotheby's). Quite simple really
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Winter on Mar 7, 2019 10:36:49 GMT 1, With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance.
With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Unica on Mar 7, 2019 10:48:43 GMT 1, With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance. I thought the same, it was painful to watch as the auctioneer attempted to solicit some bids for what seemed like an eternity, crickets!. I couldn't fault Bonhams on this. I'd think a few owners will have some explaining to their other halves after last night, as I'm sure a few stretched to purchase it when they won the opportunity to purchase them for ยฃ50k. "oh don't worry darling this will be worth ยฃ250k in a couple of years" I would think there will be a few quietly being offered soon, as it didn't turn out to be such a great flip and it's a lot of money to have tied up for the next few years as many will see the piece as burnt. I remember when they were being offered and I thought that's a lot of money for what it is.
With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance. I thought the same, it was painful to watch as the auctioneer attempted to solicit some bids for what seemed like an eternity, crickets!. I couldn't fault Bonhams on this. I'd think a few owners will have some explaining to their other halves after last night, as I'm sure a few stretched to purchase it when they won the opportunity to purchase them for ยฃ50k. "oh don't worry darling this will be worth ยฃ250k in a couple of years" I would think there will be a few quietly being offered soon, as it didn't turn out to be such a great flip and it's a lot of money to have tied up for the next few years as many will see the piece as burnt. I remember when they were being offered and I thought that's a lot of money for what it is.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Happy Shopper on Mar 7, 2019 10:58:54 GMT 1, Only just catching up with this. Seems odd that this didn't sell... but I guess it's appeal is slightly limited by the subject matter... especially for any rich buyers who are particularly religious (or worry about hanging it in their house and what their friends/relations might say).
Only just catching up with this. Seems odd that this didn't sell... but I guess it's appeal is slightly limited by the subject matter... especially for any rich buyers who are particularly religious (or worry about hanging it in their house and what their friends/relations might say).
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 11:48:55 GMT 1, I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience. I'm always surprised when people say "wrong auction house". In this day and age, art collectors monitor all the major auction houses. Do you care if the item you want is being sold by Sothebys or Phillips or Bonhams? I certainly don't. Why should I?
I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience. I'm always surprised when people say "wrong auction house". In this day and age, art collectors monitor all the major auction houses. Do you care if the item you want is being sold by Sothebys or Phillips or Bonhams? I certainly don't. Why should I?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 11:57:50 GMT 1, Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on.
Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Eton Groover on Mar 7, 2019 14:21:20 GMT 1, I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you.
Just for the record owner, this member thought it should go for ยฃ250k. So thereโs your starting point
I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. Just for the record owner, this member thought it should go for ยฃ250k. So thereโs your starting point
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:23:13 GMT 1, I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is now "burned " all auction activity being genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid. To be honest it looks like there were only house bids on it
I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is now "burned " all auction activity being genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid. To be honest it looks like there were only house bids on it
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:26:44 GMT 1, This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend?
This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:34:57 GMT 1, I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. That's not a punt, its a sure fire winner
I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. That's not a punt, its a sure fire winner
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