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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by funster on Feb 5, 2008 16:21:35 GMT 1, Pez, whats the large Neate like in the flesh?
Also, is Neate just 19 like Bonhams think (DOB 1988) - me thinks not 
Pez, whats the large Neate like in the flesh? Also, is Neate just 19 like Bonhams think (DOB 1988) - me thinks not |
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hlarmy
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hlarmy on Feb 5, 2008 16:26:57 GMT 1, Pez, whats the large Neate like in the flesh? Also, is Neate just 19 like Bonhams think (DOB 1988) - me thinks not
Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours...
Pez, whats the large Neate like in the flesh? Also, is Neate just 19 like Bonhams think (DOB 1988) - me thinks not Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours... |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by pezlow on Feb 5, 2008 16:28:52 GMT 1, The large neate is very good but I prefer the small piece. I believe Adam is 29 but I will stand corrected on that....
The large neate is very good but I prefer the small piece. I believe Adam is 29 but I will stand corrected on that....
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hlarmy
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hlarmy on Feb 5, 2008 16:35:40 GMT 1, Went along to the preview today. Bit of a mixed bunch really. Nice to see some older banksy canvasses in the flesh. Particularly liked the white laugh now canvas, although the big one is in pretty poor condition. Poor condition - I was amazed at how 'poor' the condition was? A reserve of ยฃ200k - ยฃ300k; given that the reserves seemed particularly low for most of the pieces (eg. ยฃ400 - ยฃ600 for Nick Walker's TMA - I wish!), what do you think this will fetch?
Went along to the preview today. Bit of a mixed bunch really. Nice to see some older banksy canvasses in the flesh. Particularly liked the white laugh now canvas, although the big one is in pretty poor condition. Poor condition - I was amazed at how 'poor' the condition was? A reserve of ยฃ200k - ยฃ300k; given that the reserves seemed particularly low for most of the pieces (eg. ยฃ400 - ยฃ600 for Nick Walker's TMA - I wish!), what do you think this will fetch? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Neate Michael on Feb 5, 2008 16:36:47 GMT 1, What time does the auction start? I work just by there, could pop along and bid on a ยฃ140k canvas... I wish!
What time does the auction start? I work just by there, could pop along and bid on a ยฃ140k canvas... I wish!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by pezlow on Feb 5, 2008 16:39:14 GMT 1, I think it starts at 7pm
I think it starts at 7pm
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by RBK on Feb 5, 2008 16:43:28 GMT 1, I think this auction is going to not make a difference one way or the other to our beloved 'genre'.
While there are some great pieces (Laugh Now, Neate, Kate Moss, Faile - London black & gold) the rest can easily be found on Ebay. Agree with Pezlow the Faile pieces are for the most part, poor.
Really shows the difference between a Sothebys auction.
I think this auction is going to not make a difference one way or the other to our beloved 'genre'.
While there are some great pieces (Laugh Now, Neate, Kate Moss, Faile - London black & gold) the rest can easily be found on Ebay. Agree with Pezlow the Faile pieces are for the most part, poor.
Really shows the difference between a Sothebys auction.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Feb 5, 2008 16:49:01 GMT 1, Pez, whats the large Neate like in the flesh? Also, is Neate just 19 like Bonhams think (DOB 1988) - me thinks not Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours...
If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!!
Pez, whats the large Neate like in the flesh? Also, is Neate just 19 like Bonhams think (DOB 1988) - me thinks not Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours... If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!! |
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hlarmy
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hlarmy on Feb 5, 2008 16:56:22 GMT 1, Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours... If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!!
That must have been one hell of a show - I didn't have the pleasure...
Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours... If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!! That must have been one hell of a show - I didn't have the pleasure... |
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funster
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by funster on Feb 5, 2008 16:57:30 GMT 1, Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours... If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!!
Some deja vu from the last Sotheby's auction going on in my head.
Can I but in here; I saw it this lunch time and thought it was stunning. Somewhat taken back by what it was painted on (cardboard) but a lovely piece, amazing colours... If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!! Some deja vu from the last Sotheby's auction going on in my head. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by seidbereit on Feb 5, 2008 16:57:49 GMT 1, Pezlow: I'm a bit curious (to say the least) about what you mean by "poor condition", can you elaborate for us please?
For me poor condition on a canvas would start somewhere around the "a bit grubby" mark, but I get the impression you mean something much worse, like torn or kicked-around poor. Thanks.
Pezlow: I'm a bit curious (to say the least) about what you mean by "poor condition", can you elaborate for us please?
For me poor condition on a canvas would start somewhere around the "a bit grubby" mark, but I get the impression you mean something much worse, like torn or kicked-around poor. Thanks.
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pezlow
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by pezlow on Feb 5, 2008 17:04:42 GMT 1, The big laugh now is on wood. It has various chips and stuff in it, plus holes where bits have been taken off it, it's pretty dirty too. All of which is I guess unsurprising given that it has been up in a bar for years. You can see some of these marks and things on the photos on the bonhams site but they are much more pronounced in the flesh.
You could argue it gives the piece character. This is all well and good but once you start putting pieces like this in to a sale and want ยฃ200k for it, it takes the piss. IMO of course.
The big laugh now is on wood. It has various chips and stuff in it, plus holes where bits have been taken off it, it's pretty dirty too. All of which is I guess unsurprising given that it has been up in a bar for years. You can see some of these marks and things on the photos on the bonhams site but they are much more pronounced in the flesh.
You could argue it gives the piece character. This is all well and good but once you start putting pieces like this in to a sale and want ยฃ200k for it, it takes the piss. IMO of course.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Feb 5, 2008 17:05:24 GMT 1, If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!! Some deja vu from the last Sotheby's auction going on in my head.
Is there?
If by large Neate you mean the gallery original (The Apprentice) then whilst it is very nice it was one of the weakest pieces in his show!!! Some deja vu from the last Sotheby's auction going on in my head. Is there? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by EHC on Feb 5, 2008 17:05:36 GMT 1, I think this auction is going to not make a difference one way or the other to our beloved 'genre'. While there are some great pieces (Laugh Now, Neate, Kate Moss, Faile - London black & gold) the rest can easily be found on Ebay. Agree with Pezlow the Faile pieces are for the most part, poor. Really shows the difference between a Sothebys auction.
I don't think so either. Not a real strong inventory or well rounded roster overall. Still makes for a somewhat interesting auction though.
I think this auction is going to not make a difference one way or the other to our beloved 'genre'. While there are some great pieces (Laugh Now, Neate, Kate Moss, Faile - London black & gold) the rest can easily be found on Ebay. Agree with Pezlow the Faile pieces are for the most part, poor. Really shows the difference between a Sothebys auction. I don't think so either. Not a real strong inventory or well rounded roster overall. Still makes for a somewhat interesting auction though. |
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funster
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by funster on Feb 5, 2008 17:06:12 GMT 1, Yes, becaue I didn't feel that the Suicide Bomber in the last auction was his strongest piece either 
Yes, becaue I didn't feel that the Suicide Bomber in the last auction was his strongest piece either |
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seidbereit
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by seidbereit on Feb 5, 2008 17:08:52 GMT 1, Thanks for the details pezlow. Should be very interesting to see how bidders perceive it.
Thanks for the details pezlow. Should be very interesting to see how bidders perceive it.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by BunnyBoiler on Feb 5, 2008 17:09:36 GMT 1, The Andrew McAttee is a nice one.
The Andrew McAttee is a nice one.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by pezlow on Feb 5, 2008 17:13:15 GMT 1, Can anyone confirm that the hammer price gets increased by VAT (for us mortal residents) plus a 20% buyers premium plus possibly 4% on Artists retained rights fee, so you have to mentally figure paying a number 41.5% higher than the amount called by the auctioneer?
Not quite. You only pay VAT on the buyers commission, not on the cost price. So if a piece sells for ยฃ1000 the buyers commission is ยฃ200 and you pay ยฃ35 vat on that
Can anyone confirm that the hammer price gets increased by VAT (for us mortal residents) plus a 20% buyers premium plus possibly 4% on Artists retained rights fee, so you have to mentally figure paying a number 41.5% higher than the amount called by the auctioneer? Not quite. You only pay VAT on the buyers commission, not on the cost price. So if a piece sells for ยฃ1000 the buyers commission is ยฃ200 and you pay ยฃ35 vat on that |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by fatherxmas on Feb 5, 2008 17:40:22 GMT 1, Kicks of @ 7
Im gonna be down there hopefully for 6.30 to register and hopefully spend a few pound.
Wish me luck
Kicks of @ 7
Im gonna be down there hopefully for 6.30 to register and hopefully spend a few pound.
Wish me luck
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by BunnyBoiler on Feb 5, 2008 17:44:29 GMT 1, Kicks of @ 7 Im gonna be down there hopefully for 6.30 to register and hopefully spend a few pound. Wish me luck
can anyone just register and go in?
Kicks of @ 7 Im gonna be down there hopefully for 6.30 to register and hopefully spend a few pound. Wish me luck can anyone just register and go in? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Bram on Feb 5, 2008 17:53:32 GMT 1, Well I think it'll be the best Tuesday night in this year. Better watching the auction than bloody Dot Cotton
Well I think it'll be the best Tuesday night in this year. Better watching the auction than bloody Dot Cotton
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by turkey on Feb 5, 2008 17:55:04 GMT 1, If you can get up to have a quick look its well worth it to see everything in the flesh...I have to agree though that some of the pieces are in poor condition, holes, rips, dents etc, but what struck me most was the actual presentation, it looked as though they'd had a team of 5 year olds putting their hands all over the glass on nearly every piece....it left me wondering how much actual respect they have for 'Urban Art' they're selling
If you can get up to have a quick look its well worth it to see everything in the flesh...I have to agree though that some of the pieces are in poor condition, holes, rips, dents etc, but what struck me most was the actual presentation, it looked as though they'd had a team of 5 year olds putting their hands all over the glass on nearly every piece....it left me wondering how much actual respect they have for 'Urban Art' they're selling
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Curley on Feb 5, 2008 17:58:55 GMT 1, The big laugh now is on wood. It has various chips and stuff in it, plus holes where bits have been taken off it, it's pretty dirty too. All of which is I guess unsurprising given that it has been up in a bar for years. You can see some of these marks and things on the photos on the bonhams site but they are much more pronounced in the flesh. You could argue it gives the piece character. This is all well and good but once you start putting pieces like this in to a sale and want ยฃ200k for it, it takes the piss. IMO of course.
Thats the one from The Ocean Rooms in Brighton.
He can buy me a drink later when he's sold that.
The big laugh now is on wood. It has various chips and stuff in it, plus holes where bits have been taken off it, it's pretty dirty too. All of which is I guess unsurprising given that it has been up in a bar for years. You can see some of these marks and things on the photos on the bonhams site but they are much more pronounced in the flesh. You could argue it gives the piece character. This is all well and good but once you start putting pieces like this in to a sale and want ยฃ200k for it, it takes the piss. IMO of course. Thats the one from The Ocean Rooms in Brighton. He can buy me a drink later when he's sold that. |
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hlarmy
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hlarmy on Feb 5, 2008 18:00:23 GMT 1, Well I think it'll be the best Tuesday night in this year. Better watching the auction than bloody Dot Cotton
I'll second that (although perhaps 'one of the best' rather than the 'best') 
My first live auction so can't wait - popped down earlier this afternoon - apparently they're expecting a very good turnout. Will be very interesting IMO... ;D
Well I think it'll be the best Tuesday night in this year. Better watching the auction than bloody Dot Cotton I'll second that (although perhaps 'one of the best' rather than the 'best') My first live auction so can't wait - popped down earlier this afternoon - apparently they're expecting a very good turnout. Will be very interesting IMO... ;D |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 5, 2008 18:03:07 GMT 1, Can this be watched on the internet like Sothebys
Can this be watched on the internet like Sothebys
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Bram
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Bram on Feb 5, 2008 18:07:06 GMT 1, Yip. Nice bottle of red, laptop and watch crazy people buying crazy art at crazy prices ;D
Now I've just gotta figure out where I left that ยฃ30k 
Yip. Nice bottle of red, laptop and watch crazy people buying crazy art at crazy prices ;D Now I've just gotta figure out where I left that ยฃ30k |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by funster on Feb 5, 2008 18:45:28 GMT 1, Last question Does anyone know if they will update this in real time? Yes, they will if its added to your selection online.
I might be wrong on this one, does anyone know if it is online?
Last question Does anyone know if they will update this in real time? Yes, they will if its added to your selection online. I might be wrong on this one, does anyone know if it is online? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by turkey on Feb 5, 2008 18:59:10 GMT 1, its not on line as far as I know......
its not on line as far as I know......
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by giiiant on Feb 5, 2008 20:01:14 GMT 1, its not on line as far as I know......
You can bid online so I'm guessing there are price updates
Guess we'll find out in a few minutes
its not on line as far as I know...... You can bid online so I'm guessing there are price updates Guess we'll find out in a few minutes |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Daniel Silk on Feb 5, 2008 20:02:48 GMT 1, its not on line as far as I know......
Its pretty poor if they don't add the final sale prices online Im still hoping ;D
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its not on line as far as I know...... Its pretty poor if they don't add the final sale prices online Im still hoping ;D Refresh |
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