Think that price is insane! It's a hard sought-after print, but 1800 euro is way beyond what I think someone will pay for that. Had a look at the other prints they were selling, and over-all very overpriced.

But thanks for sharing the link!

You are right, it's very veeeery expensive but maybe price can be discuss because I doubt it will sells at that price....

Yes I think it is....

WTB a mint "scream"

not "hypnosis"
(I already posses this)


looking also for signed and sealed kits


offers with pics are welcome

Hi,

Does anyone have an opinion on how much Invaded Scream by Invader should go for these days (edition of 50)?  I've had a look around and recent sales vary a lot in price.  Also, what sort of premium (if any) would you attach to an AP?

I am fairly new to his work and I really like what I have seen but at the same time I am getting a feeling it is somewhat repetitive.  Would be interested in hearing people's thoughts... 

Cheers,

MV

I was offered one about 4 months ago for 1000GBP. If you are actively seeking, you might be a little worse off. Ultimately, I passed, but it sold reasonably quick at that price.

I may be wrong and would love to be corrected but in my eyes APs are, if anything, somewhat less valuable than a print numbered within the logged edition. By default I usually tend towards thinking the APs are somehow 'unfinished' or at the very least not the 'final' product.

Now I'm aware some artists will use the AP route as an opportunity to hand-finish a couple individual prints, making them 'unique' from the numbered edition but usually, if I don't see that type of thing mentioned, then I default to the prior thinking.

APs depend on the artist.  If you were for instance talking about Andy Warhol APs they are unique to the edition and all had different color and finishing techniques applied.  Some would suggest that his process for selecting the final version of the print had less to do with which was best and more to do with which was most easily replicated.  They are unique and carry a sizable premium.

I think that has long since gone by the wayside for most APs.  They are realy just part of the numbers edition and should be included in the overall view of the total edition size and given to the artist to sell directly.  Most people forget that there are also printers proofs and H.C.s floating about.  I think hors de commerce sort of fell out of vogue but if you are buying work from the 70s and 80s it is very common

As you say some artists hand embellish or sketch them to add some mystique but i am not aware of invader doing that. As said above, invader is worth exactly what you are willing to pay.  Some people think it is absolutely absurd to pay a penny for a tile mosaic worth less than a dollar in materials cost.  Other are literally willing to risk their lives climbing onto a bridge to steal one.  to each their own.

Link? I stated the price I was offered one for. Not sure how that is "way off" as it actually occurred in the time period stated.

Think the treads has been deleted by sellers, hypnosis is way cheaper to buy than the scream piece. I have searched all galleries for a while now and there are non for sale. But i can be wrong, offred a framed DALeast andrenalin-s and think 500£ in cash in trade for one, had no reply except bids for the Daleast.

im thinking that is likely not the case for anything with a sizable run, and almost certainly not for an artist that does not do their own printing.  In principle all giclees should be identical or they are misprints.  I tend to think of most people outsourcing their screen printing to a limited number of specialists these rather than burning screens and printing in house.  

Certainly some who do their own screens and maybe they keep the best as APs,but i dont think i can come up with a name of a currently working artis who does it that way.  Faile comes to mind as doing a lot of their printing in house and they likely have some true APs where they tried something interesting or different and decided against doing for the larger run due to time or cost issues, but i think that is rare rather than the norm

Who were you thinking of where that is the common practice?  I would think if they are selling imperfect prints as part of the regular edition (i.e. registration errors, or ink bleeds) we would be groaning about them as having crappy print quality

Any experimentation or variations done before the main run is printed would be Printer's Proofs. The artists generally pull out the Artist's Proofs when they sign the edition. 

With modern printing, all giclees should be identical. On screen prints, you sometimes have minor variations or flaws that get through. 

I suppose i am being a bit old school on this, and certainly the modern meaning of all of these terms is almost meaningless.  If you by direct from the artist and he does something extra too it i am willing to pay more, if it is exactly the same then it is worth exactly the same and more importantly the run  is equal to  numbered prints + aps + pps + hcs and gallery samples.  Most APs these days are just part of the run given to the artist to sell direct and keep the proceeds.  they are part of their total compensation package and are in no way proofs

In an old school sense my thinking is an Artist proof is a proof received by the artist from the printer used to approve the run or created by the artist to decide on the content of the final run if the artist does their own printing.  I think in most cases these were never destroyed unless they were deemed by the artist to be in some way substandard.  In a lot of cases they were better but to expensive, time consuming, prone to errors or required cleaning screens to frequently.  So if there are variants requested or designed by the artist those would all be AP.  

Printers proofs i think of as a true ephemera and almost always in some way imperfect.  In screen printing each layer and color mix will be test printed to create a proof.  I generally think of these as very imperfect but often beautiful at showing the printing process.  I really like them and take every opportunity to pick them up.  Usually they are marketed as test prints, but they are really printers proofs.  In giclee printing if you are testing for color saturation and testing paper stock there are real printers proofs, but most of them just look like substandard prints with too much bleed or substandard ink saturation due to coatings on the stock.  Super common when doing metallic prints or other specialized gloss prints.  Usually these are destroyed

But back on topic. The invader is still worth what you are willing to pay and if you want one good luck finding one because a lot of people would love to have it. Whatever you pay for it, it is safe to say it will be top dollar, there are no deals on this particular print. IF you by chance own one and your goal was to decide what to price it at i would start high and be prepared to come down if need be. Let buyers come to you because there are plenty of interested people.

I guess it all depends how much someone wants it would depend on the value