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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 16:25:14 GMT 1, There would be no point if everyone had the same opinion regarding releases. Without Trumping things up. I get that people have different tastes and also regard some artists as low brow and some as high brow depending on who they sell to and where they exibit.
Hairbland has an opinion which to me is valid and relevant. Warhol had the Factory and Velvet Undeground and banksy had Dismaland Fairey has a clothing range and print shop and Warhol had no clothing range. Marilyn is iconic and the pose and the dress iconic too and altho I like Tabby art I feel the image is very very dated.
Whats that you say, a woman with a burka billowing up around her is more relevant. No no no, thats forbidden in todays politically correct thought policed atmosphere. Stick with Marilyn and skulls it's safe.
There would be no point if everyone had the same opinion regarding releases. Without Trumping things up. I get that people have different tastes and also regard some artists as low brow and some as high brow depending on who they sell to and where they exibit. Hairbland has an opinion which to me is valid and relevant. Warhol had the Factory and Velvet Undeground and banksy had Dismaland Fairey has a clothing range and print shop and Warhol had no clothing range. Marilyn is iconic and the pose and the dress iconic too and altho I like Tabby art I feel the image is very very dated. Whats that you say, a woman with a burka billowing up around her is more relevant. No no no, thats forbidden in todays politically correct thought policed atmosphere. Stick with Marilyn and skulls it's safe.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by cyberkid on Apr 19, 2016 16:43:36 GMT 1, thanks daniel. @ Hairbland : this is an urban art forum. i am posting new releases, news etc. - whether I like it or not. I did not wrote any personal comment by posting the new tabby release. therefore its nonsense to write i am "pushing this person". If we are stopping posting urban art news, new releases etc. we can close this forum and go to ebay... discussion about art is good but attacking forum members for posting new releases is bulls**t ! Calm down, junior. I believe you've been posting the new Tabby releases since the Under The Bridge gallery was folded into the Arcadium gallery. I imagine either they stopped working with Tabby, or if the Tabby stuff was an easy sell Tabby moved on to not pay a gallery percentage, or you are in partnership with Tabby. A search shows that you posted the last 5 Tabby new releases, and also posted when he was briefly affiliated with UTB. There was absolutely no attack on you, a forum member. All I said, to quote, was that "we need to have Cyberkid stop pushing this person here", which is a factual comment. I'm going to move on. I believe the "Tabby Concept" from the beginning was a calculated ploy to take money from the nerd kids, of which I am one. i dont care about tabby. and what is your problem now ?
thanks daniel. @ Hairbland : this is an urban art forum. i am posting new releases, news etc. - whether I like it or not. I did not wrote any personal comment by posting the new tabby release. therefore its nonsense to write i am "pushing this person". If we are stopping posting urban art news, new releases etc. we can close this forum and go to ebay... discussion about art is good but attacking forum members for posting new releases is bulls**t ! Calm down, junior. I believe you've been posting the new Tabby releases since the Under The Bridge gallery was folded into the Arcadium gallery. I imagine either they stopped working with Tabby, or if the Tabby stuff was an easy sell Tabby moved on to not pay a gallery percentage, or you are in partnership with Tabby. A search shows that you posted the last 5 Tabby new releases, and also posted when he was briefly affiliated with UTB. There was absolutely no attack on you, a forum member. All I said, to quote, was that "we need to have Cyberkid stop pushing this person here", which is a factual comment. I'm going to move on. I believe the "Tabby Concept" from the beginning was a calculated ploy to take money from the nerd kids, of which I am one. i dont care about tabby. and what is your problem now ?
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Ottomatik on Apr 19, 2016 16:50:21 GMT 1, I'm a 'nerd kid!'
With that said, I like his 'cleverness' which I find lacking in the new release. I'm a fan of Tabby, not of Skin Deep.
I'm a 'nerd kid!' With that said, I like his 'cleverness' which I find lacking in the new release. I'm a fan of Tabby, not of Skin Deep.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Daniel Silk on Apr 19, 2016 17:13:51 GMT 1, Just to be clear I dont like this piece! But I will not attack anyone for posting a thread about art I dont like. Its perfectly fine for people to post about why they dont like a pieces of art, but of course it should be done with respect to those who might have different views than yours. Making personal remarks and continued attacks on people based on their opinions is not acceptable.
Just to be clear I dont like this piece! But I will not attack anyone for posting a thread about art I dont like. Its perfectly fine for people to post about why they dont like a pieces of art, but of course it should be done with respect to those who might have different views than yours. Making personal remarks and continued attacks on people based on their opinions is not acceptable.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by pollz66 on Apr 19, 2016 18:26:13 GMT 1, Tabby? Shabby might be a better description.
Tabby? Shabby might be a better description.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 21:46:22 GMT 1, Beauty is only skin deep and thats a fact.
Tabby is real and makes lots of art on the streets so I doubt it's a ploy to sell stencils and screenies on this forum. More like been putting art on the streets and why not do some ltd editions to pay the rent.
Banksy got a lot of mileage out of basic images with punchlines or stuff that is easy to understand and smile ironically and knowingly that yes we the lookers at street art have got the illuminati sussed cos it's all there in Banksy stencils. Other artists make similar stuff on the streets and finding ideas and using recognisable imagery often leads to Skulls, rats, guns hearts bananas and Kanye
Beauty is only skin deep and thats a fact.
Tabby is real and makes lots of art on the streets so I doubt it's a ploy to sell stencils and screenies on this forum. More like been putting art on the streets and why not do some ltd editions to pay the rent.
Banksy got a lot of mileage out of basic images with punchlines or stuff that is easy to understand and smile ironically and knowingly that yes we the lookers at street art have got the illuminati sussed cos it's all there in Banksy stencils. Other artists make similar stuff on the streets and finding ideas and using recognisable imagery often leads to Skulls, rats, guns hearts bananas and Kanye
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by jayTown on Apr 19, 2016 22:03:35 GMT 1, It's not good. But don't think the artist is bad, just a swing and a miss and that's fine. Look forward to seeing what's in store next.
It's not good. But don't think the artist is bad, just a swing and a miss and that's fine. Look forward to seeing what's in store next.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Matt on Apr 19, 2016 23:18:24 GMT 1, Beauty is only skin deep and thats a fact. Tabby is real and makes lots of art on the streets so I doubt it's a ploy to sell stencils and screenies on this forum. More like been putting art on the streets and why not do some ltd editions to pay the rent. Banksy got a lot of mileage out of basic images with punchlines or stuff that is easy to understand and smile ironically and knowingly that yes we the lookers at street art have got the illuminati sussed cos it's all there in Banksy stencils. Other artists make similar stuff on the streets and finding ideas and using recognisable imagery often leads to Skulls, rats, guns hearts bananas and Kanye I find it fascinating that almost no artist, including some of the most recognised : successful, meet the bar of your artistic standards on here, because as you have explained explained left right and centre they are frauds / sell outs / idiots who exist merely thanks to their great PR....
...but the derivative of derivative Tabby does seem to strike your fancy
Beauty is only skin deep and thats a fact. Tabby is real and makes lots of art on the streets so I doubt it's a ploy to sell stencils and screenies on this forum. More like been putting art on the streets and why not do some ltd editions to pay the rent. Banksy got a lot of mileage out of basic images with punchlines or stuff that is easy to understand and smile ironically and knowingly that yes we the lookers at street art have got the illuminati sussed cos it's all there in Banksy stencils. Other artists make similar stuff on the streets and finding ideas and using recognisable imagery often leads to Skulls, rats, guns hearts bananas and Kanye I find it fascinating that almost no artist, including some of the most recognised : successful, meet the bar of your artistic standards on here, because as you have explained explained left right and centre they are frauds / sell outs / idiots who exist merely thanks to their great PR.... ...but the derivative of derivative Tabby does seem to strike your fancy
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 23:35:12 GMT 1, Beauty is only skin deep and thats a fact. Tabby is real and makes lots of art on the streets so I doubt it's a ploy to sell stencils and screenies on this forum. More like been putting art on the streets and why not do some ltd editions to pay the rent. Banksy got a lot of mileage out of basic images with punchlines or stuff that is easy to understand and smile ironically and knowingly that yes we the lookers at street art have got the illuminati sussed cos it's all there in Banksy stencils. Other artists make similar stuff on the streets and finding ideas and using recognisable imagery often leads to Skulls, rats, guns hearts bananas and Kanye I find it fascinating that almost no artist, including some of the most recognised : successful, meet the bar of your artistic standards on here, because as you have explained explained left right and centre they are frauds / sell outs / idiots who exist merely thanks to their great PR.... ...but the derivative of derivative Tabby does seem to strike your fancy Which most recognised and successful artists are you referring to?
You exaggerate methinks. I like most artists whose art has been posted on this forum.
Just cos someone is successful commercially doesn't mean that is a reason for liking or disliking what they produce.
I agree. That there is some hype included with some artists.
It all depends if one buys art to keep or to flip I guess.
Is a (Warhol) tin of soup print greater art today as it's worth thousands compared to the first time it was screen printed as seen as a gimmick in the sixties ?
I have my opinion on art just as other people have their opinion.
The art world as opposed to the art can be nothing more than knowing the right people and being part of the right clique depending on geography.
Bit like Hollywood.
It depends how you define succesful?
Tabby is derivative of who or what?
and as for frauds sellouts or whatever. I don't recall referring to ayone as a sellout.
With the right PR team and enough money anyone can be an artist.
Tabby makes his own art, cuts his own stencils, doesn't have assistants doing it for him doesn't have people on the payroll contacting newspapers etc. I find it ironic people calling artists like Tabby, Banksy derivatives when Banksy is a Blek derivative.
Surely you don't confuse art with marketing? Who has the best marketing and sells for the highest (sometimes fake price) at auction is the best.
This type of Tabby stencil art is a genre. It's a cross between a cartoon in a newspaper and graffiti. So of course there will be a few artists making this type of art.
Beauty is only skin deep and thats a fact. Tabby is real and makes lots of art on the streets so I doubt it's a ploy to sell stencils and screenies on this forum. More like been putting art on the streets and why not do some ltd editions to pay the rent. Banksy got a lot of mileage out of basic images with punchlines or stuff that is easy to understand and smile ironically and knowingly that yes we the lookers at street art have got the illuminati sussed cos it's all there in Banksy stencils. Other artists make similar stuff on the streets and finding ideas and using recognisable imagery often leads to Skulls, rats, guns hearts bananas and Kanye I find it fascinating that almost no artist, including some of the most recognised : successful, meet the bar of your artistic standards on here, because as you have explained explained left right and centre they are frauds / sell outs / idiots who exist merely thanks to their great PR.... ...but the derivative of derivative Tabby does seem to strike your fancy Which most recognised and successful artists are you referring to? You exaggerate methinks. I like most artists whose art has been posted on this forum. Just cos someone is successful commercially doesn't mean that is a reason for liking or disliking what they produce. I agree. That there is some hype included with some artists. It all depends if one buys art to keep or to flip I guess. Is a (Warhol) tin of soup print greater art today as it's worth thousands compared to the first time it was screen printed as seen as a gimmick in the sixties ? I have my opinion on art just as other people have their opinion. The art world as opposed to the art can be nothing more than knowing the right people and being part of the right clique depending on geography. Bit like Hollywood. It depends how you define succesful? Tabby is derivative of who or what? and as for frauds sellouts or whatever. I don't recall referring to ayone as a sellout. With the right PR team and enough money anyone can be an artist. Tabby makes his own art, cuts his own stencils, doesn't have assistants doing it for him doesn't have people on the payroll contacting newspapers etc. I find it ironic people calling artists like Tabby, Banksy derivatives when Banksy is a Blek derivative. Surely you don't confuse art with marketing? Who has the best marketing and sells for the highest (sometimes fake price) at auction is the best. This type of Tabby stencil art is a genre. It's a cross between a cartoon in a newspaper and graffiti. So of course there will be a few artists making this type of art.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by met on Apr 20, 2016 5:02:53 GMT 1, Maybe you are just looking in the wrong place, possible our tastes are different and you like the cr*p I rag on and don't like the art I praise. I own KAWS, D*Face, Martha Cooper, Dale Marshall, Cleon Peterson, Stinkfish, RAE, Pose, Ravi Zupa and FAILE to name a few, with a number of these artists I've discovered here and spoken about glowingly. I attend many of the shows mentioned on this forum, most recently Thomas Ruff, of which I spoke glowingly. I've ragged on Martin Whatson, JBoy (mostly the fish print but it seems everyone has an issue with him) and Tabby (who is a calculated joke) primarily, and it appears I'm not alone. I haven't posted things about artists on this forum, and then simultaneously offered items by said artist (s) in the Art For Sale thread. (insert winky face emoticon here) I think everyone needs to remember that we are all entitled to our opinion and that nobody is right or wrong because art is purely subjective. I like a lot of the mentioned artist but imho not everything they have done are winners. Although I am not really into the latest Tabby release I do own his work. As far as Jboy is concerned although Blinky might not be the greatest work of art it is fun and whimsical, especially the APs which is why I bought a set of three. Art doesn't always have to be so serious, it's not all about investing and making money, it's suppose to be about enjoyment. So if somebody likes something you don't, it's fine to voice your opinion just remember it doesn't mean s**t. Hopefully, there are still people out there who will buy what they like for the simple enjoyment and intrinsic value that they receive from it. While understanding the general sentiment of your post, I'll focus on one point I take issue with. It's a comment often trotted out here โ yet, for whatever reason, nobody ever tries to qualify or challenge it.
The "art is purely subjective" platitude is in my view a faux argument and misleading at best. Pernicious as well, because it relativises excessively. By implying that individual perception is the only thing which is relevant, the statement discourages critical thinking. As such, it becomes a thought-terminating clichรฉ.
An individual's appreciation of art may be purely subjective. However, this takes no account of other material factors, including that person's knowledge or experience. Someone contemplating a painting may be living in a vacuum of ignorance: oblivious to what else is going on in the broader art world, what has already been done, and which ideas or styles have been rehashed or repeated ad nauseum.
There are also widely-accepted objective criteria for determining what constitutes bad art. Leaving aside poor technical execution, one such criterion is lack of originality or the absence of a fresh take on existing concepts. In other words, copied and stolen concepts tend to be frowned upon. The same goes for artwork too similar in theme, aesthetic or sensibility to what was produced by other creatives, and anything else that could be dismissed as derivative.
So, yes, the appreciation of art is subjective โ to the individual in question. What doesn't follow is that other people should necessarily be swayed by or even respect that individual's opinion. Uninformed views rarely carry the same weight as knowledgeable and considered ones. And why would they?
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Despite loving to watch gymnastics, my keenness must not mask the fact I'm merely an amateur follower whose scoring of a floor routine cannot be compared to that of an Olympics judge.
If Tabby created a stencil spray painting of a young girl hugging a bomb, in theory I might be amazed and describe the piece as brilliant. Others would then assess this viewpoint and conclude I was (i) far too easily impressed (if I was aware the bomb-hugger idea was stolen) or (ii) clueless about street art history. Either way, it could be objectively determined that my subjective opinion had little value to anyone else besides me.
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To art enthusiasts with trained eyes or a certain level of experience, Tabby is simply one of many โ along with, inter alios, Kunstrasen, Martin Whatson, Pegasus and Bambi โ whose current output will always look vacuous and hackneyed.
But perhaps "vacuous and hackneyed" is actually good enough for these so-called artists (provided they can keep finding chumps to sell to). It's possible they demand nothing more from themselves in creative terms, or that they're incapable of imagining more.
Every artist naturally finds his or her level. There is room for everyone on the pyramid. Especially at the bottom.
Maybe you are just looking in the wrong place, possible our tastes are different and you like the cr*p I rag on and don't like the art I praise. I own KAWS, D*Face, Martha Cooper, Dale Marshall, Cleon Peterson, Stinkfish, RAE, Pose, Ravi Zupa and FAILE to name a few, with a number of these artists I've discovered here and spoken about glowingly. I attend many of the shows mentioned on this forum, most recently Thomas Ruff, of which I spoke glowingly. I've ragged on Martin Whatson, JBoy (mostly the fish print but it seems everyone has an issue with him) and Tabby (who is a calculated joke) primarily, and it appears I'm not alone. I haven't posted things about artists on this forum, and then simultaneously offered items by said artist (s) in the Art For Sale thread. (insert winky face emoticon here) I think everyone needs to remember that we are all entitled to our opinion and that nobody is right or wrong because art is purely subjective. I like a lot of the mentioned artist but imho not everything they have done are winners. Although I am not really into the latest Tabby release I do own his work. As far as Jboy is concerned although Blinky might not be the greatest work of art it is fun and whimsical, especially the APs which is why I bought a set of three. Art doesn't always have to be so serious, it's not all about investing and making money, it's suppose to be about enjoyment. So if somebody likes something you don't, it's fine to voice your opinion just remember it doesn't mean s**t. Hopefully, there are still people out there who will buy what they like for the simple enjoyment and intrinsic value that they receive from it. While understanding the general sentiment of your post, I'll focus on one point I take issue with. It's a comment often trotted out here โ yet, for whatever reason, nobody ever tries to qualify or challenge it. The "art is purely subjective" platitude is in my view a faux argument and misleading at best. Pernicious as well, because it relativises excessively. By implying that individual perception is the only thing which is relevant, the statement discourages critical thinking. As such, it becomes a thought-terminating clichรฉ. An individual's appreciation of art may be purely subjective. However, this takes no account of other material factors, including that person's knowledge or experience. Someone contemplating a painting may be living in a vacuum of ignorance: oblivious to what else is going on in the broader art world, what has already been done, and which ideas or styles have been rehashed or repeated ad nauseum. There are also widely-accepted objective criteria for determining what constitutes bad art. Leaving aside poor technical execution, one such criterion is lack of originality or the absence of a fresh take on existing concepts. In other words, copied and stolen concepts tend to be frowned upon. The same goes for artwork too similar in theme, aesthetic or sensibility to what was produced by other creatives, and anything else that could be dismissed as derivative. So, yes, the appreciation of art is subjective โ to the individual in question. What doesn't follow is that other people should necessarily be swayed by or even respect that individual's opinion. Uninformed views rarely carry the same weight as knowledgeable and considered ones. And why would they? ---------- Despite loving to watch gymnastics, my keenness must not mask the fact I'm merely an amateur follower whose scoring of a floor routine cannot be compared to that of an Olympics judge. If Tabby created a stencil spray painting of a young girl hugging a bomb, in theory I might be amazed and describe the piece as brilliant. Others would then assess this viewpoint and conclude I was (i) far too easily impressed (if I was aware the bomb-hugger idea was stolen) or (ii) clueless about str eet art history. Either way, it could be objectively determined that my subjective opinion had little value to anyone else besides me. ---------- To art enthusiasts with trained eyes or a certain level of experience, Tabby is simply one of many โ along with, inter alios, Kunstrasen, Martin Whatson, Pegasus and Bambi โ whose current output will always look vacuous and hackneyed. But perhaps "vacuous and hackneyed" is actually good enough for these so-called artists (provided they can keep finding chumps to sell to). It's possible they demand nothing more from themselves in creative terms, or that they're incapable of imagining more. Every artist naturally finds his or her level. There is room for everyone on the pyramid. Especially at the bottom.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Coach on Apr 20, 2016 10:33:46 GMT 1, I think everyone needs to remember that we are all entitled to our opinion and that nobody is right or wrong because art is purely subjective. I like a lot of the mentioned artist but imho not everything they have done are winners. Although I am not really into the latest Tabby release I do own his work. As far as Jboy is concerned although Blinky might not be the greatest work of art it is fun and whimsical, especially the APs which is why I bought a set of three. Art doesn't always have to be so serious, it's not all about investing and making money, it's suppose to be about enjoyment. So if somebody likes something you don't, it's fine to voice your opinion just remember it doesn't mean s**t. Hopefully, there are still people out there who will buy what they like for the simple enjoyment and intrinsic value that they receive from it. While understanding the general sentiment of your post, I'll focus on one point I take issue with. It's a comment often trotted out here โ yet, for whatever reason, nobody ever tries to qualify or challenge it. The "art is purely subjective" platitude is in my view a faux argument and misleading at best. Pernicious as well, because it relativises excessively. By implying that individual perception is the only thing which is relevant, the statement discourages critical thinking. As such, it becomes a thought-terminating clichรฉ. An individual's appreciation of art may be purely subjective. However, this takes no account of other material factors, including that person's knowledge or experience. Someone contemplating a painting may be living in a vacuum of ignorance: oblivious to what else is going on in the broader art world, what has already been done, and which ideas or styles have been rehashed or repeated ad nauseum. There are also widely-accepted objective criteria for determining what constitutes bad art. Leaving aside poor technical execution, one such criterion is lack of originality or the absence of a fresh take on existing concepts. In other words, copied and stolen concepts tend to be frowned upon. The same goes for artwork too similar in theme, aesthetic or sensibility to what was produced by other creatives, and anything else that could be dismissed as derivative. So, yes, the appreciation of art is subjective โ to the individual in question. What doesn't follow is that other people should necessarily be swayed by or even respect that individual's opinion. Uninformed views rarely carry the same weight as knowledgeable and considered ones. And why would they? ---------- Despite loving to watch gymnastics, my keenness must not mask the fact I'm merely an amateur follower whose scoring of a floor routine cannot be compared to that of an Olympics judge. If Tabby created a stencil spray painting of a young girl hugging a bomb, in theory I might be amazed and describe the piece as brilliant. Others would then assess this viewpoint and conclude I was (i) far too easily impressed (if I was aware the bomb-hugger idea was stolen) or (ii) clueless about str eet art history. Either way, it could be objectively determined that my subjective opinion had little value to anyone else besides me. ---------- To art enthusiasts with trained eyes or a certain level of experience, Tabby is simply one of many โ along with, inter alios, Kunstrasen, Martin Whatson, Pegasus and Bambi โ whose current output will always look vacuous and hackneyed. But perhaps "vacuous and hackneyed" is actually good enough for these so-called artists (provided they can keep finding chumps to sell to). It's possible they demand nothing more from themselves in creative terms, or that they're incapable of imagining more. Every artist naturally finds his or her level. There is room for everyone on the pyramid. Especially at the bottom.
So would it be right to say whether a piece of art is "good art" (for want of a better description) or not should be viewed objectively whereas whether I like a piece of art is subjective. It is that too simplistic?
The Haywain is a good example. It's clearly masterfully painted. But I don't particularly like it and would not display a copy of it, as it's not to my taste.
I think everyone needs to remember that we are all entitled to our opinion and that nobody is right or wrong because art is purely subjective. I like a lot of the mentioned artist but imho not everything they have done are winners. Although I am not really into the latest Tabby release I do own his work. As far as Jboy is concerned although Blinky might not be the greatest work of art it is fun and whimsical, especially the APs which is why I bought a set of three. Art doesn't always have to be so serious, it's not all about investing and making money, it's suppose to be about enjoyment. So if somebody likes something you don't, it's fine to voice your opinion just remember it doesn't mean s**t. Hopefully, there are still people out there who will buy what they like for the simple enjoyment and intrinsic value that they receive from it. While understanding the general sentiment of your post, I'll focus on one point I take issue with. It's a comment often trotted out here โ yet, for whatever reason, nobody ever tries to qualify or challenge it. The "art is purely subjective" platitude is in my view a faux argument and misleading at best. Pernicious as well, because it relativises excessively. By implying that individual perception is the only thing which is relevant, the statement discourages critical thinking. As such, it becomes a thought-terminating clichรฉ. An individual's appreciation of art may be purely subjective. However, this takes no account of other material factors, including that person's knowledge or experience. Someone contemplating a painting may be living in a vacuum of ignorance: oblivious to what else is going on in the broader art world, what has already been done, and which ideas or styles have been rehashed or repeated ad nauseum. There are also widely-accepted objective criteria for determining what constitutes bad art. Leaving aside poor technical execution, one such criterion is lack of originality or the absence of a fresh take on existing concepts. In other words, copied and stolen concepts tend to be frowned upon. The same goes for artwork too similar in theme, aesthetic or sensibility to what was produced by other creatives, and anything else that could be dismissed as derivative. So, yes, the appreciation of art is subjective โ to the individual in question. What doesn't follow is that other people should necessarily be swayed by or even respect that individual's opinion. Uninformed views rarely carry the same weight as knowledgeable and considered ones. And why would they? ---------- Despite loving to watch gymnastics, my keenness must not mask the fact I'm merely an amateur follower whose scoring of a floor routine cannot be compared to that of an Olympics judge. If Tabby created a stencil spray painting of a young girl hugging a bomb, in theory I might be amazed and describe the piece as brilliant. Others would then assess this viewpoint and conclude I was (i) far too easily impressed (if I was aware the bomb-hugger idea was stolen) or (ii) clueless about str eet art history. Either way, it could be objectively determined that my subjective opinion had little value to anyone else besides me. ---------- To art enthusiasts with trained eyes or a certain level of experience, Tabby is simply one of many โ along with, inter alios, Kunstrasen, Martin Whatson, Pegasus and Bambi โ whose current output will always look vacuous and hackneyed. But perhaps "vacuous and hackneyed" is actually good enough for these so-called artists (provided they can keep finding chumps to sell to). It's possible they demand nothing more from themselves in creative terms, or that they're incapable of imagining more. Every artist naturally finds his or her level. There is room for everyone on the pyramid. Especially at the bottom. So would it be right to say whether a piece of art is "good art" (for want of a better description) or not should be viewed objectively whereas whether I like a piece of art is subjective. It is that too simplistic? The Haywain is a good example. It's clearly masterfully painted. But I don't particularly like it and would not display a copy of it, as it's not to my taste.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Matt on Apr 20, 2016 10:49:45 GMT 1, Taste is subjective, but implying that therefore art is subjective is reducing art to it's most basic and palpable characteristic.
Objective comments can, and should, be made about art. Technique, process, intent, novelty, point of view etc etc...these are all objective characteristics of an art piece that should be debated.
But that does not mean a piece is objectively good or bad, because that is simply the polar opposite of saying "art is subjective" which implies every piece of art is both good and bad at the same time.
Taste is subjective, but implying that therefore art is subjective is reducing art to it's most basic and palpable characteristic.
Objective comments can, and should, be made about art. Technique, process, intent, novelty, point of view etc etc...these are all objective characteristics of an art piece that should be debated.
But that does not mean a piece is objectively good or bad, because that is simply the polar opposite of saying "art is subjective" which implies every piece of art is both good and bad at the same time.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 14:54:11 GMT 1, If it's in a gallery it's art. If it's in a skip, it's junk.
If it's in a gallery it's art. If it's in a skip, it's junk.
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pedend
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by pedend on May 16, 2016 19:16:28 GMT 1, tabbythis.com/?page_id=3836
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Poly Mindset
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Poly Mindset on May 17, 2016 4:34:22 GMT 1, "Sound of Uzis" Sold out pre-sale. One for the flippers? I missed my pre-sale chance, but honestly I think this one is pretty cool especially considering his last release. Just didn't have the funds for this one. Might be a new gold standard for other street/urban artist to release on brick or something other than paper or canvas. I like the feel of it. Additionally, I appreciate how one bad release won't keep a good artist down. Stay strong Tabby!
"Sound of Uzis" Sold out pre-sale. One for the flippers? I missed my pre-sale chance, but honestly I think this one is pretty cool especially considering his last release. Just didn't have the funds for this one. Might be a new gold standard for other street/urban artist to release on brick or something other than paper or canvas. I like the feel of it. Additionally, I appreciate how one bad release won't keep a good artist down. Stay strong Tabby!
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Deleted on May 17, 2016 7:33:14 GMT 1, Really liked the Sound of Uzis on brick but with a canvas already couldn't pull the trigger.
Really liked the Sound of Uzis on brick but with a canvas already couldn't pull the trigger.
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kel
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by kel on May 17, 2016 11:04:50 GMT 1, Nice idea of doing this image on mini brick tiles something a bit different. Will add to the common themes of the last few months old image rehashed but I suppose bills do need to be paid.
Nice idea of doing this image on mini brick tiles something a bit different. Will add to the common themes of the last few months old image rehashed but I suppose bills do need to be paid.
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Happy Go Lucky Chap on May 17, 2016 12:47:40 GMT 1, Already have a Sound Of Uzis, but couldn't resist this version
Already have a Sound Of Uzis, but couldn't resist this version
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Whitefish
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Whitefish on May 19, 2016 18:41:56 GMT 1,
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Whitefish
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Whitefish on May 19, 2016 18:42:21 GMT 1,
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markent
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by markent on May 20, 2016 14:28:26 GMT 1, Loving the Sound of Uzis and done on the brick makes this a little special
Loving the Sound of Uzis and done on the brick makes this a little special
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cyberkid
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by cyberkid on Jun 27, 2016 16:06:21 GMT 1, something new from TABBY
"Its not me, its EU"
18x24 cm Paper 200g/m2 Stencil signed, hand signed Stencil / Spray Paint
something new from TABBY "Its not me, its EU" 18x24 cm Paper 200g/m2 Stencil signed, hand signed Stencil / Spray Paint
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WOOF
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by WOOF on Jun 27, 2016 16:20:23 GMT 1, My god, this shit keeps getting worse.
My god, this shit keeps getting worse.
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mla
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by mla on Jun 27, 2016 17:45:39 GMT 1, Atrocious.
Atrocious.
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Prints Charles
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Prints Charles on Jun 27, 2016 18:48:16 GMT 1, +1
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Stoko
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Stoko on Jun 27, 2016 19:03:23 GMT 1, My high school pupils do better than this, seriously.
My high school pupils do better than this, seriously.
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Whitefish
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Whitefish on Jun 27, 2016 19:04:08 GMT 1, "Michelangephone" New release this Thursday June 30 through TABBYthis.com 12 PM Eastern time / 5 PM GMT 30x40 cm canvas Stencil signed, hand signed, numbered and dollar serial number registered and authenticated Stencil / Spray Paint Edition of 25 - 12 available for this release (245โฌ) + 20โฌ worldwide shipping
2013 Original Outdoor
"Michelangephone"New release this Thursday June 30 through TABBYthis.com 12 PM Eastern time / 5 PM GMT 30x40 cm canvas Stencil signed, hand signed, numbered and dollar serial number registered and authenticated Stencil / Spray Paint Edition of 25 - 12 available for this release (245โฌ) + 20โฌ worldwide shipping 2013 Original Outdoor
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davievegas
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by davievegas on Jun 27, 2016 19:06:53 GMT 1, "Michelangephone"New release this Thursday June 30 through TABBYthis.com 12 PM Eastern time / 5 PM GMT 30x40 cm canvas Stencil signed, hand signed, numbered and dollar serial number registered and authenticated Stencil / Spray Paint Edition of 25 - 12 available for this release (245โฌ) + 20โฌ worldwide shipping 2013 Original Outdoor Tabby is killing me . I truly am not sure what to feel about this but I do know that I dont want a "p***s" on my wall.
"Michelangephone"New release this Thursday June 30 through TABBYthis.com 12 PM Eastern time / 5 PM GMT 30x40 cm canvas Stencil signed, hand signed, numbered and dollar serial number registered and authenticated Stencil / Spray Paint Edition of 25 - 12 available for this release (245โฌ) + 20โฌ worldwide shipping 2013 Original Outdoor Tabby is killing me . I truly am not sure what to feel about this but I do know that I dont want a "p***s" on my wall.
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scarylarry
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by scarylarry on Jun 27, 2016 19:12:43 GMT 1, something new from TABBY "Its not me, its EU" 18x24 cm Paper 200g/m2 Stencil signed, hand signed Stencil / Spray Paint
OMG..this is terrible!
something new from TABBY "Its not me, its EU" 18x24 cm Paper 200g/m2 Stencil signed, hand signed Stencil / Spray Paint OMG..this is terrible!
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Tabby ๐ฆ๐น Street Art โข New Print Release , by Coach on Jun 27, 2016 19:31:29 GMT 1, Looks like she's got Nora Batty's tights on.
Looks like she's got Nora Batty's tights on.
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