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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 13, 2015 23:01:12 GMT 1, Price check on signed Stop & Search? Thank you
Price check on signed Stop & Search? Thank you I got offered one for 9K GBP last month but I was tied up trying to close a deal on a donut (that fell through because of tape marks on the back side after it was unframed) and by the time I got back to the S&S seller it had sold for the asking 9K GBP. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 13, 2015 23:04:18 GMT 1, Price check on signed Stop & Search? Thank you One just sold for £11,100 on ebay auction, so that should be about £10.5k after seller & paypal fees!
Price check on signed Stop & Search? Thank you One just sold for £11,100 on ebay auction, so that should be about £10.5k after seller & paypal fees! Can you please provide a link or item number for this? I don't see it. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by scnomad on Sept 13, 2015 23:10:15 GMT 1, One just sold for £11,100 on ebay auction, so that should be about £10.5k after seller & paypal fees! Can you please provide a link or item number for this? I don't see it.
One just sold for £11,100 on ebay auction, so that should be about £10.5k after seller & paypal fees! Can you please provide a link or item number for this? I don't see it. 131597205479 |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 13, 2015 23:22:37 GMT 1, I can't understand why people continue to assist this luxury gallery with pricing their items. I can't understand people trying to bully people or surpress information either - isn't the purpose of this community to share information freely and help others who are asking? Am I missing something here? I ask because I'm open to learning the etiquette of this forum but it seems that certain people get offended when others speak the truth (for example, the current pricing of a S&S).
I've said it once and I'll say it again...Gallery asking prices should not effect estimated value of the image in any way. Take real estate for example, if a comparable property is listed on the market for $1.2MM and has been on the market for 6 Months (which you see often with stale inventory with online galleries), you can't use that as a comp until it's sold and the purchase price is published.
So in turn if a gallery has an S&S listed for 2 months for $18K well guess what, the only thing that says it that it's not worth that much. But forum members like you use them as direct valuations across the board and believe that "Oh since they're selling it for 18K I can ask 18K or better yet, more often then not, we see $18,500 with some ridiculous rational that for every sale of a Banksy image, the next one sold should demand 500 GBP more.
LOL
This forum really needs to start a price database like Expressobeans. It would bring huge value to this site and also get everyone on the same page regarding Banksy print values...and best of all, there would be no need to have this unorganized and sometimes meaningless "Price Check Thread".
I can't understand why people continue to assist this luxury gallery with pricing their items. I can't understand people trying to bully people or surpress information either - isn't the purpose of this community to share information freely and help others who are asking? Am I missing something here? I ask because I'm open to learning the etiquette of this forum but it seems that certain people get offended when others speak the truth (for example, the current pricing of a S&S). JD I think the problem here is you have a blatant track record of hyping up prices, including ones for prints you own yourself. Once you are caught doing that, once, twice and for a third time...anything you say after that holds no weight. You have consistently tried to defend your excessive asking prices by hyping up the item or comparing to gallery ASKING prices. At one point or another, if you can't be unbiased with your opinion you should not offer it because all it's doing is feeding your own self interest and it becomes transparent. I've said it once and I'll say it again...Gallery asking prices should not effect estimated value of the image in any way. Take real estate for example, if a comparable property is listed on the market for $1.2MM and has been on the market for 6 Months (which you see often with stale inventory with online galleries), you can't use that as a comp until it's sold and the purchase price is published. So in turn if a gallery has an S&S listed for 2 months for $18K well guess what, the only thing that says it that it's not worth that much. But forum members like you use them as direct valuations across the board and believe that "Oh since they're selling it for 18K I can ask 18K or better yet, more often then not, we see $18,500 with some ridiculous rational that for every sale of a Banksy image, the next one sold should demand 500 GBP more. LOL This forum really needs to start a price database like Expressobeans. It would bring huge value to this site and also get everyone on the same page regarding Banksy print values...and best of all, there would be no need to have this unorganized and sometimes meaningless "Price Check Thread". |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 13, 2015 23:25:27 GMT 1, The £9.5K S&S has been gone for some time from Prescription Art. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) you will need to add a few more thousand quid now. Having said that, if you can find this piece for under £10K you should snatch it up.
Great but most importantly. Do you know what is SOLD for? Everyone knows the asking price, but who is to say it didn't sell for 8500 or 9000? Once again, realized and/or published sale prices are all that matters, otherwise everyone gets into this "guesstimate" game.
The £9.5K S&S has been gone for some time from Prescription Art. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) you will need to add a few more thousand quid now. Having said that, if you can find this piece for under £10K you should snatch it up. Great but most importantly. Do you know what is SOLD for? Everyone knows the asking price, but who is to say it didn't sell for 8500 or 9000? Once again, realized and/or published sale prices are all that matters, otherwise everyone gets into this "guesstimate" game. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by FЯ on Sept 13, 2015 23:28:33 GMT 1, I can't understand people trying to bully people or surpress information either - isn't the purpose of this community to share information freely and help others who are asking? Am I missing something here? I ask because I'm open to learning the etiquette of this forum but it seems that certain people get offended when others speak the truth (for example, the current pricing of a S&S). JD I think the problem here is you have a blatant track record of hyping up prices, including ones for prints you own yourself. Once you are caught doing that, once, twice and for a third time...anything you say after that holds no weight. You have consistently tried to defend your excessive asking prices by hyping up the item or comparing to gallery ASKING prices. At one point or another, if you can't be unbiased with your opinion you should not offer it because all it's doing is feeding your own self interest and it becomes transparent. I've said it once and I'll say it again...Gallery asking prices should not effect estimated value of the image in any way. Take real estate for example, if a comparable property is listed on the market for $1.2MM and has been on the market for 6 Months (which you see often with stale inventory with online galleries), you can't use that as a comp until it's sold and the purchase price is published. So in turn if a gallery has an S&S listed for 2 months for $18K well guess what, the only thing that says it that it's not worth that much. But forum members like you use them as direct valuations across the board and believe that "Oh since they're selling it for 18K I can ask 18K or better yet, more often then not, we see $18,500 with some ridiculous rational that for every sale of a Banksy image, the next one sold should demand 500 GBP more. LOL This forum really needs to start a price database like Expressobeans. It would bring huge value to this site and also get everyone on the same page regarding Banksy print values...and best of all, there would be no need to have this unorganized and sometimes meaningless "Price Check Thread".
I can't understand people trying to bully people or surpress information either - isn't the purpose of this community to share information freely and help others who are asking? Am I missing something here? I ask because I'm open to learning the etiquette of this forum but it seems that certain people get offended when others speak the truth (for example, the current pricing of a S&S). JD I think the problem here is you have a blatant track record of hyping up prices, including ones for prints you own yourself. Once you are caught doing that, once, twice and for a third time...anything you say after that holds no weight. You have consistently tried to defend your excessive asking prices by hyping up the item or comparing to gallery ASKING prices. At one point or another, if you can't be unbiased with your opinion you should not offer it because all it's doing is feeding your own self interest and it becomes transparent. I've said it once and I'll say it again...Gallery asking prices should not effect estimated value of the image in any way. Take real estate for example, if a comparable property is listed on the market for $1.2MM and has been on the market for 6 Months (which you see often with stale inventory with online galleries), you can't use that as a comp until it's sold and the purchase price is published. So in turn if a gallery has an S&S listed for 2 months for $18K well guess what, the only thing that says it that it's not worth that much. But forum members like you use them as direct valuations across the board and believe that "Oh since they're selling it for 18K I can ask 18K or better yet, more often then not, we see $18,500 with some ridiculous rational that for every sale of a Banksy image, the next one sold should demand 500 GBP more. LOL This forum really needs to start a price database like Expressobeans. It would bring huge value to this site and also get everyone on the same page regarding Banksy print values...and best of all, there would be no need to have this unorganized and sometimes meaningless "Price Check Thread". No, we dont, otherwise it becomes an investment forum. Even though im sure everyone has that at heart when they buy a £10,000 bit of paper, its nice to pretend we dont care here. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 13, 2015 23:35:45 GMT 1, JD I think the problem here is you have a blatant track record of hyping up prices, including ones for prints you own yourself. Once you are caught doing that, once, twice and for a third time...anything you say after that holds no weight. You have consistently tried to defend your excessive asking prices by hyping up the item or comparing to gallery ASKING prices. At one point or another, if you can't be unbiased with your opinion you should not offer it because all it's doing is feeding your own self interest and it becomes transparent. I've said it once and I'll say it again...Gallery asking prices should not effect estimated value of the image in any way. Take real estate for example, if a comparable property is listed on the market for $1.2MM and has been on the market for 6 Months (which you see often with stale inventory with online galleries), you can't use that as a comp until it's sold and the purchase price is published. So in turn if a gallery has an S&S listed for 2 months for $18K well guess what, the only thing that says it that it's not worth that much. But forum members like you use them as direct valuations across the board and believe that "Oh since they're selling it for 18K I can ask 18K or better yet, more often then not, we see $18,500 with some ridiculous rational that for every sale of a Banksy image, the next one sold should demand 500 GBP more. LOL This forum really needs to start a price database like Expressobeans. It would bring huge value to this site and also get everyone on the same page regarding Banksy print values...and best of all, there would be no need to have this unorganized and sometimes meaningless "Price Check Thread". No, we dont, otherwise it becomes an investment forum. Even though im sure everyone has that at heart when they buy a £10,000 bit of paper, its nice to pretend we dont care here.
As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here.
Just my 2 cents.
JD I think the problem here is you have a blatant track record of hyping up prices, including ones for prints you own yourself. Once you are caught doing that, once, twice and for a third time...anything you say after that holds no weight. You have consistently tried to defend your excessive asking prices by hyping up the item or comparing to gallery ASKING prices. At one point or another, if you can't be unbiased with your opinion you should not offer it because all it's doing is feeding your own self interest and it becomes transparent. I've said it once and I'll say it again...Gallery asking prices should not effect estimated value of the image in any way. Take real estate for example, if a comparable property is listed on the market for $1.2MM and has been on the market for 6 Months (which you see often with stale inventory with online galleries), you can't use that as a comp until it's sold and the purchase price is published. So in turn if a gallery has an S&S listed for 2 months for $18K well guess what, the only thing that says it that it's not worth that much. But forum members like you use them as direct valuations across the board and believe that "Oh since they're selling it for 18K I can ask 18K or better yet, more often then not, we see $18,500 with some ridiculous rational that for every sale of a Banksy image, the next one sold should demand 500 GBP more. LOL This forum really needs to start a price database like Expressobeans. It would bring huge value to this site and also get everyone on the same page regarding Banksy print values...and best of all, there would be no need to have this unorganized and sometimes meaningless "Price Check Thread". No, we dont, otherwise it becomes an investment forum. Even though im sure everyone has that at heart when they buy a £10,000 bit of paper, its nice to pretend we dont care here. The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 13, 2015 23:39:07 GMT 1, Can you please provide a link or item number for this? I don't see it. 131597205479
Can you please provide a link or item number for this? I don't see it. 131597205479 Thanks for that, it's so weird that it doesn't come up when I do my standard "banksy" *sold* *world wide* search result. Maybe it's too fresh and payment may not have been made yet? I wonder... |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by coller on Sept 13, 2015 23:38:50 GMT 1, The £9.5K S&S has been gone for some time from Prescription Art. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) you will need to add a few more thousand quid now. Having said that, if you can find this piece for under £10K you should snatch it up. Great but most importantly. Do you know what is SOLD for? Everyone knows the asking price, but who is to say it didn't sell for 8500 or 9000? Once again, realized and/or published sale prices are all that matters, otherwise everyone gets into this "guesstimate" game.
The £9.5K S&S has been gone for some time from Prescription Art. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) you will need to add a few more thousand quid now. Having said that, if you can find this piece for under £10K you should snatch it up. Great but most importantly. Do you know what is SOLD for? Everyone knows the asking price, but who is to say it didn't sell for 8500 or 9000? Once again, realized and/or published sale prices are all that matters, otherwise everyone gets into this "guesstimate" game. It sold for 9.5k, I was gonna get it. I do agree, however, that there is a sad amount of hype in this thread. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Coach on Sept 14, 2015 0:05:27 GMT 1, No, we dont, otherwise it becomes an investment forum. Even though im sure everyone has that at heart when they buy a £10,000 bit of paper, its nice to pretend we dont care here. The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents.
If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me.
The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me).
No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion.
No, we dont, otherwise it becomes an investment forum. Even though im sure everyone has that at heart when they buy a £10,000 bit of paper, its nice to pretend we dont care here. The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents. If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by dreadnatty on Sept 14, 2015 0:19:39 GMT 1, The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents. If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion.
The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents. If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. Im with you Coach.....I almost always scroll past the FS thread....not the main driver for me |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by mla on Sept 14, 2015 2:22:29 GMT 1, Price databases don't mean anything anyways. They are easily manipulated.
Price databases don't mean anything anyways. They are easily manipulated.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by thisisanton on Sept 14, 2015 3:24:56 GMT 1, The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents. If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion.
Im with you Coach. And that's why I don't participate that much on this forum these days. It's looking like a financial inestment forum with all the talk of prices.
The main driver of the forum is the "Art for sale" thread. I'm sure most of us can agree to that simply because there isn't any other single forum out there that you can find so many of B's prints being bought and sold. With that being said, buyers and sellers (whom are forum members) would benefit greatly from a structured method of keeping track of their own banksy works...whether it be to purchase, sell, or insure. It's by far the most brought up conversation I've had with forum members - the need of a Banksy sales database. As an online community, I'm pretty sure that this would be the single most beneficial addition to the forum since we already got Forum Guardians now and have successfully got rid of most the shady dealers with multiple accounts on here. Just my 2 cents. If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. Im with you Coach. And that's why I don't participate that much on this forum these days. It's looking like a financial inestment forum with all the talk of prices. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by rebelate on Sept 14, 2015 4:40:29 GMT 1, If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. Im with you Coach. And that's why I don't participate that much on this forum these days. It's looking like a financial inestment forum with all the talk of prices.
If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. Im with you Coach. And that's why I don't participate that much on this forum these days. It's looking like a financial inestment forum with all the talk of prices. It sucks but it's true. It's a regurgitation of the same old talk. What's this worth/what's that worth... The irony here is that's the exact reason why this thread was made...so much talk about price checks/sales/buys less about the art in general. :/ |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by mega on Sept 15, 2015 17:47:09 GMT 1, I rarely post on this site - mostly because I don't really think I have anything to add and partially because I see how certain people respond to postings that they don't agree with and have no desire to engage in a virtual cat fight... I have been on this site for a while now and am consistently looking at the artwork and reading various threads. once in a while I feel the urge to ask a question, like now:
What is the resistance to having an actual database with pricing of art on this webpage (and I don't just mean Banksy work...) ? I like all the various aspects of this forum - including the for sales and the wanted....I don't understand why people think it cheapens the love of art or the purpose of the forum. From my perspective the purpose being in large part the sharing information, learning new things, being exposed to different art, seeing images from street pieces all over the world etc. However, I also utilize it to attempt to figure out how much I should pay for art I want to buy...or the value of a piece I might want to part with (really to fund the purchase of something else) - why is that a bad thing? To my mind, having some sort of gauge of pricing would be very useful and way better than pages and pages of people talking out of their rear about what they think something is worth - as if that actually means anything in reality. It really is annoying and I find myself shaking my head consistently about how annoying it is to have to go through all the posts where one person says something is valued at x y or z and then others pouncing on the poster for being ignorant or out of line or self motivated etc...I would love to know what the reason is for not people withholding the actual prices paid for a piece of art? I don't mean that aggressively - I just don't understand why there is an issue with it...? I would love to gain some insight into that through constructive postings ...please don't assault me for asking a question that is meant to be a spring board for DISCUSSION not a fight ...
I rarely post on this site - mostly because I don't really think I have anything to add and partially because I see how certain people respond to postings that they don't agree with and have no desire to engage in a virtual cat fight... I have been on this site for a while now and am consistently looking at the artwork and reading various threads. once in a while I feel the urge to ask a question, like now:
What is the resistance to having an actual database with pricing of art on this webpage (and I don't just mean Banksy work...) ? I like all the various aspects of this forum - including the for sales and the wanted....I don't understand why people think it cheapens the love of art or the purpose of the forum. From my perspective the purpose being in large part the sharing information, learning new things, being exposed to different art, seeing images from street pieces all over the world etc. However, I also utilize it to attempt to figure out how much I should pay for art I want to buy...or the value of a piece I might want to part with (really to fund the purchase of something else) - why is that a bad thing? To my mind, having some sort of gauge of pricing would be very useful and way better than pages and pages of people talking out of their rear about what they think something is worth - as if that actually means anything in reality. It really is annoying and I find myself shaking my head consistently about how annoying it is to have to go through all the posts where one person says something is valued at x y or z and then others pouncing on the poster for being ignorant or out of line or self motivated etc...I would love to know what the reason is for not people withholding the actual prices paid for a piece of art? I don't mean that aggressively - I just don't understand why there is an issue with it...? I would love to gain some insight into that through constructive postings ...please don't assault me for asking a question that is meant to be a spring board for DISCUSSION not a fight ...
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Sept 15, 2015 18:10:02 GMT 1, If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. Im with you Coach. And that's why I don't participate that much on this forum these days. It's looking like a financial inestment forum with all the talk of prices.
Its been more like a financial forum for a while now  money or possible profit or loss will always cause arguments and sniping.
If the art for sale thread is the main driver of this forum, then It's no longer the right place for me. The sharing of information, the discussions about art, the pictures of street art, the emerging artists and amateur artists, information and reviews of shows, and so many more come way above the art for sale thread, in terms of importance (for me). No disrespect rebelate. Just my personal opinion. Im with you Coach. And that's why I don't participate that much on this forum these days. It's looking like a financial inestment forum with all the talk of prices. Its been more like a financial forum for a while now money or possible profit or loss will always cause arguments and sniping. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by avec art on Sept 15, 2015 18:50:21 GMT 1, Do you mean like a graph of sales type of thing ... there's expresso beans for that.
Do you mean like a graph of sales type of thing ... there's expresso beans for that.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by kultur on Sept 15, 2015 18:53:52 GMT 1, I rarely post on this site - mostly because I don't really think I have anything to add and partially because I see how certain people respond to postings that they don't agree with and have no desire to engage in a virtual cat fight... I have been on this site for a while now and am consistently looking at the artwork and reading various threads. once in a while I feel the urge to ask a question, like now: What is the resistance to having an actual database with pricing of art on this webpage (and I don't just mean Banksy work...) ? I like all the various aspects of this forum - including the for sales and the wanted....I don't understand why people think it cheapens the love of art or the purpose of the forum. From my perspective the purpose being in large part the sharing information, learning new things, being exposed to different art, seeing images from street pieces all over the world etc. However, I also utilize it to attempt to figure out how much I should pay for art I want to buy...or the value of a piece I might want to part with (really to fund the purchase of something else) - why is that a bad thing? To my mind, having some sort of gauge of pricing would be very useful and way better than pages and pages of people talking out of their rear about what they think something is worth - as if that actually means anything in reality. It really is annoying and I find myself shaking my head consistently about how annoying it is to have to go through all the posts where one person says something is valued at x y or z and then others pouncing on the poster for being ignorant or out of line or self motivated etc...I would love to know what the reason is for not people withholding the actual prices paid for a piece of art? I don't mean that aggressively - I just don't understand why there is an issue with it...? I would love to gain some insight into that through constructive postings ...please don't assault me for asking a question that is meant to be a spring board for DISCUSSION not a fight ...
I rarely post on this site - mostly because I don't really think I have anything to add and partially because I see how certain people respond to postings that they don't agree with and have no desire to engage in a virtual cat fight... I have been on this site for a while now and am consistently looking at the artwork and reading various threads. once in a while I feel the urge to ask a question, like now: What is the resistance to having an actual database with pricing of art on this webpage (and I don't just mean Banksy work...) ? I like all the various aspects of this forum - including the for sales and the wanted....I don't understand why people think it cheapens the love of art or the purpose of the forum. From my perspective the purpose being in large part the sharing information, learning new things, being exposed to different art, seeing images from street pieces all over the world etc. However, I also utilize it to attempt to figure out how much I should pay for art I want to buy...or the value of a piece I might want to part with (really to fund the purchase of something else) - why is that a bad thing? To my mind, having some sort of gauge of pricing would be very useful and way better than pages and pages of people talking out of their rear about what they think something is worth - as if that actually means anything in reality. It really is annoying and I find myself shaking my head consistently about how annoying it is to have to go through all the posts where one person says something is valued at x y or z and then others pouncing on the poster for being ignorant or out of line or self motivated etc...I would love to know what the reason is for not people withholding the actual prices paid for a piece of art? I don't mean that aggressively - I just don't understand why there is an issue with it...? I would love to gain some insight into that through constructive postings ...please don't assault me for asking a question that is meant to be a spring board for DISCUSSION not a fight ... I hate it when sales thread information disappears or is erased or people feel the need to not say what price they agreed on (which would make this a better forum), but if you are looking for a price guide you should also be looking at expressobeans. Of course prices can be manipulated and should only be used as a rough guide. POW does keep records of the prices paid when transferring ownership of the COA... they have been known to divulge this information . |
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pippyt75
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by pippyt75 on Sept 16, 2015 1:24:01 GMT 1, Don't we all know roughly what stuff is worth? the idea that there is a fixed or market price that can be ascertained from some magical data base is daft imo. You pay what you think you can afford for something you love when the opportunity arises. End of. It might go up in value, it might not. If you love the image and you don't max out a credit card or skip a mortgage or rent payment to buy it then it shouldn't really matter. If what you want is to make money then play the stock market or whatever. If you're in it for the love of art then only spend what you can afford and chill out, have a glass of wine and enjoy your pictures. Just my opinion btw!
Don't we all know roughly what stuff is worth? the idea that there is a fixed or market price that can be ascertained from some magical data base is daft imo. You pay what you think you can afford for something you love when the opportunity arises. End of. It might go up in value, it might not. If you love the image and you don't max out a credit card or skip a mortgage or rent payment to buy it then it shouldn't really matter. If what you want is to make money then play the stock market or whatever. If you're in it for the love of art then only spend what you can afford and chill out, have a glass of wine and enjoy your pictures. Just my opinion btw!
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by hackneil on Sept 16, 2015 9:26:33 GMT 1, Hi,
Could Anyone give me some advise on approximate values on three unsigned prints please?
1. Grannies
2. Flag
3. Applause
All in excellent condition.
Many Thanks.
Hi,
Could Anyone give me some advise on approximate values on three unsigned prints please?
1. Grannies
2. Flag
3. Applause
All in excellent condition.
Many Thanks.
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Imoy-San
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Imoy-San on Sept 17, 2015 0:59:42 GMT 1, I was just about to ask for a price check for Flag, and Applause.
Anyone with some guidance?
Best
I was just about to ask for a price check for Flag, and Applause.
Anyone with some guidance?
Best
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by wisky on Sept 17, 2015 11:28:56 GMT 1, Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain......
This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork.
A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket!
Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? 
The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM!
Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM! |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Coach on Sept 17, 2015 11:45:30 GMT 1, Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM!
Well, I've been one of the detractors. I don't accept your description of me as being a pure invester and not an art lover. Not for one minute.
Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM! Well, I've been one of the detractors. I don't accept your description of me as being a pure invester and not an art lover. Not for one minute. |
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mojo
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by mojo on Sept 17, 2015 13:18:25 GMT 1, @wisky Is this another conspiracy theory? Having a database with actual sold prices of Banksy works would make little sense in a world where supply and demand dictate what any particular thing is worth on any given day. It is not that difficult to find out a current sale price or value of any particular artwork once you have decided to either buy or sell. Personally I would contact galleries to see what they would currently be willing to sell or buy for, look at the latest auction results to gauge a rough idea of what people were willing to bid up to at that particular sale or simply look through the for sale threads on here. There is not one particular person who decides! Regardless of whether you are buying or selling you enter into a deal with that particular person or business once you are comfortable with what's on offer. Also a database would be unrealistic as most people do not want their private financial information logged on to some weird chart for the most part voyeuristic speculation.
And NO Damien Hirst is NOT Banksy or visa versa 
@wisky Is this another conspiracy theory? Having a database with actual sold prices of Banksy works would make little sense in a world where supply and demand dictate what any particular thing is worth on any given day. It is not that difficult to find out a current sale price or value of any particular artwork once you have decided to either buy or sell. Personally I would contact galleries to see what they would currently be willing to sell or buy for, look at the latest auction results to gauge a rough idea of what people were willing to bid up to at that particular sale or simply look through the for sale threads on here. There is not one particular person who decides! Regardless of whether you are buying or selling you enter into a deal with that particular person or business once you are comfortable with what's on offer. Also a database would be unrealistic as most people do not want their private financial information logged on to some weird chart for the most part voyeuristic speculation. And NO Damien Hirst is NOT Banksy or visa versa |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Dr Plip on Sept 17, 2015 13:36:34 GMT 1, Decide how badly you want an item, then agree a price with yourself before you contact a seller. If what you're willing to pay matches with what they're willing to sell it for, then YAY!
Despite all the pricing manipulation in the world, the buyer ultimately controls the value of the item. If you think it's artificially inflated or not worth that, then don't pay it.
Decide how badly you want an item, then agree a price with yourself before you contact a seller. If what you're willing to pay matches with what they're willing to sell it for, then YAY!
Despite all the pricing manipulation in the world, the buyer ultimately controls the value of the item. If you think it's artificially inflated or not worth that, then don't pay it.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by bigtlt on Sept 17, 2015 13:37:42 GMT 1, Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM!
With the ongoing Dismaland show, sellers are 'holding cards close to their chest' and waiting for, or hoping, that prices will shoot up.
I've had a few private messages offering prints in reply to my wanted thread, and a high majority are refusing to even give a figure they want and just tell you it's "not enough".
I've give examples of recent sales and been told "they must have been uneducated sellers as they were 2012 prices".
The forum certainly seems to have gained a lot of newcomers that I'd class as investors rather than collectors of Banksys work.
But that's to be expected with the rise in popularity and price of Banksy prints
A data base of TRUE sales would be perfect, but it's something that's very easily manipulated and would probably cause more confusion/problems than it solved.
Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM! With the ongoing Dismaland show, sellers are 'holding cards close to their chest' and waiting for, or hoping, that prices will shoot up. I've had a few private messages offering prints in reply to my wanted thread, and a high majority are refusing to even give a figure they want and just tell you it's "not enough". I've give examples of recent sales and been told "they must have been uneducated sellers as they were 2012 prices". The forum certainly seems to have gained a lot of newcomers that I'd class as investors rather than collectors of Banksys work. But that's to be expected with the rise in popularity and price of Banksy prints A data base of TRUE sales would be perfect, but it's something that's very easily manipulated and would probably cause more confusion/problems than it solved. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by mojo on Sept 17, 2015 14:06:24 GMT 1, Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM! With the ongoing Dismaland show, sellers are 'holding cards close to their chest' and waiting for, or hoping, that prices will shoot up. I've had a few private messages offering prints in reply to my wanted thread, and a high majority are refusing to even give a figure they want and just tell you it's "not enough". I've give examples of recent sales and been told "they must have been uneducated sellers as they were 2012 prices". The forum certainly seems to have gained a lot of newcomers that I'd class as investors rather than collectors of Banksys work. But that's to be expected with the rise in popularity and price of Banksy prints A data base of TRUE sales would be perfect, but it's something that's very easily manipulated and would probably cause more confusion/problems than it solved.
Certain people, (Mainly art dealers) on this forum, would like to hide the current market value of Banksy's prints for their own financial gain...... This is the real reason as to why some people attack forum users whom dare to ask for current values on their artwork. A small percentage of people are interested to know the current value for no other reason than curiosity, but most are either buying - and don't want to be overcharged - or selling - and don't want to be out of pocket! Who gains from NOT having a true 'sold value' Banksy art database? The complainers ARE the pure investers, not the art lovers........ BOOM! With the ongoing Dismaland show, sellers are 'holding cards close to their chest' and waiting for, or hoping, that prices will shoot up. I've had a few private messages offering prints in reply to my wanted thread, and a high majority are refusing to even give a figure they want and just tell you it's "not enough". I've give examples of recent sales and been told "they must have been uneducated sellers as they were 2012 prices". The forum certainly seems to have gained a lot of newcomers that I'd class as investors rather than collectors of Banksys work. But that's to be expected with the rise in popularity and price of Banksy prints A data base of TRUE sales would be perfect, but it's something that's very easily manipulated and would probably cause more confusion/problems than it solved. Agree that a data base would cause far more confusion and would definitely be prone to manipulation and false sales prices. However I do think it's the sellers that currently have the upperhand right now in any transaction, simply because there is a limited supply of work and a rapidly growing audience of perspective buyers. I'm not hyping it's just true. |
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Fish in the Sea on Sept 17, 2015 15:20:50 GMT 1, Hi guys
Any ideas how much a Lemon CYW is worth ?
Thanks
Hi guys
Any ideas how much a Lemon CYW is worth ?
Thanks
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 15:25:45 GMT 1, Hi, Could Anyone give me some advise on approximate values on three unsigned prints please? 1. Grannies 2. Flag 3. Applause All in excellent condition. Many Thanks.
applause was $7,300 with premium
flag was $5,300 with premium
all unsigned
Hi, Could Anyone give me some advise on approximate values on three unsigned prints please? 1. Grannies 2. Flag 3. Applause All in excellent condition. Many Thanks. Grannies latest auction result including buyer's premium was $7,700 applause was $7,300 with premium flag was $5,300 with premium all unsigned |
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CREAM
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by CREAM on Sept 17, 2015 15:31:21 GMT 1, If you are paying any of those prices for a grannies, applause or flags I have a bridge to sell you if anyone is interested.
If you are paying any of those prices for a grannies, applause or flags I have a bridge to sell you if anyone is interested.
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