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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by WOOF on Apr 24, 2017 21:11:57 GMT 1, With all the guessing happening on prices here is a sales record for a Space Vibes from today. The winning bidder got played. The last non-shilled bid was $6,500. Not saying you're wrong, because shill bidding happens all the time, but do you have any proof?
With all the guessing happening on prices here is a sales record for a Space Vibes from today. The winning bidder got played. The last non-shilled bid was $6,500. Not saying you're wrong, because shill bidding happens all the time, but do you have any proof?
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mla
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by mla on Apr 24, 2017 21:16:25 GMT 1, The bidding history is right there for anyone to review.
Give me a minute here and I will explain with screenshots.
The bidding history is right there for anyone to review.
Give me a minute here and I will explain with screenshots.
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mla
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by mla on Apr 24, 2017 21:41:26 GMT 1, OK -- let's start with the bidding history of the item in question.
2 things I notice that raise suspicion:
(1) Low feedback user bidding on an expensive item (2) Erratic bidding pattern from low feedback user
The next step, is to focus in on the low feedback user:
Here, my suspicions are confirmed. 100% of their bidding activity (9 bids on 2 items) in the last 30 days are on this seller's items.
Let's take a look at the seller's recent sale history:
We've seen the bidding history on the first already and we know the shill account had activity on the second, but here is the history for posterity:
And finally, we look at the third listing, which falls outside of the 30-day period reported, so is not represented in the public record of the shill bidder's bidding history:
Fancy that...looks like they turn up again. A click through confirms it is indeed the same bidder.
It is impossible to say with absolute certainty that it is indeed a shill for the seller, however, the odds of a very low activity buyer randomly picking out and choosing to bid on only the 3 items listed by this seller over a 45 day period is very, very low.
Edit: Due to the narrow post space, the images are quite small. If you want to view full size, right click>open image in new tab
OK -- let's start with the bidding history of the item in question. 2 things I notice that raise suspicion: (1) Low feedback user bidding on an expensive item (2) Erratic bidding pattern from low feedback user The next step, is to focus in on the low feedback user: Here, my suspicions are confirmed. 100% of their bidding activity (9 bids on 2 items) in the last 30 days are on this seller's items. Let's take a look at the seller's recent sale history: We've seen the bidding history on the first already and we know the shill account had activity on the second, but here is the history for posterity: And finally, we look at the third listing, which falls outside of the 30-day period reported, so is not represented in the public record of the shill bidder's bidding history: Fancy that...looks like they turn up again. A click through confirms it is indeed the same bidder. It is impossible to say with absolute certainty that it is indeed a shill for the seller, however, the odds of a very low activity buyer randomly picking out and choosing to bid on only the 3 items listed by this seller over a 45 day period is very, very low. Edit: Due to the narrow post space, the images are quite small. If you want to view full size, right click>open image in new tab
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Dexter Bulldog on Apr 24, 2017 21:48:57 GMT 1, thanks for doing all that, i know its obvious to some people but i find that very imformative
thanks for doing all that, i know its obvious to some people but i find that very imformative
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WOOF
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by WOOF on Apr 24, 2017 21:49:28 GMT 1, Yup, the whole thing stinks of shadiness...
Yup, the whole thing stinks of shadiness...
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by singo369 on Apr 24, 2017 21:53:47 GMT 1, Some serious Sherlock Holmes stuff ! It' looks super dodgy
Some serious Sherlock Holmes stuff ! It' looks super dodgy
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:40:23 GMT 1, Well there you have it then. Totally understand but very shady practice.
Well there you have it then. Totally understand but very shady practice.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by .dappy on Apr 25, 2017 0:47:44 GMT 1, ... I know that it is VERY easy to get into the thrill of an auction and on eBay it is very easy to just click and get into the excitement ... and this does look like a compete shill auction ... but it is what the buyer paid ...
... he or she did not need/have to bid that high ... they chose to
... it is a warning/lesson to all ...
(and thank you mla for your 🕵 work)
... I know that it is VERY easy to get into the thrill of an auction and on eBay it is very easy to just click and get into the excitement ... and this does look like a compete shill auction ... but it is what the buyer paid ... ... he or she did not need/have to bid that high ... they chose to ... it is a warning/lesson to all ... (and thank you mla for your 🕵 work)
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Dexter Bulldog on Apr 25, 2017 0:58:02 GMT 1, ... I know that it is VERY easy to get into the thrill of an auction and on eBay it is very easy to just click and get into the excitement ... and this does look like a compete shill auction ... but it is what the buyer paid ... ... he or she did not need/have to bid that high ... they chose to ... it is a warning/lesson to all ... (and thank you Dexter Bulldog for your 🕵 work) I can't take credit mla did all the work. And he/she deserves a huge thanks
... I know that it is VERY easy to get into the thrill of an auction and on eBay it is very easy to just click and get into the excitement ... and this does look like a compete shill auction ... but it is what the buyer paid ... ... he or she did not need/have to bid that high ... they chose to ... it is a warning/lesson to all ... (and thank you Dexter Bulldog for your 🕵 work) I can't take credit mla did all the work. And he/she deserves a huge thanks
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by streetartger on Apr 25, 2017 8:21:12 GMT 1, CSI:mla!
Actually, I'm the one who won the Auction for Faile - Heartbreak in Brooklyn. I still think that 311$ are quite an OK deal on this print - was my missing piece for the complete 150 series. Seller send it very quickly over to Germany, so I don't have any issues with him.
CSI:mla! Actually, I'm the one who won the Auction for Faile - Heartbreak in Brooklyn. I still think that 311$ are quite an OK deal on this print - was my missing piece for the complete 150 series. Seller send it very quickly over to Germany, so I don't have any issues with him.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Winter on Apr 25, 2017 12:20:52 GMT 1, Just came across this Space File black if anyone's looking. Not mine in any way, shape or form - just thought I'd share
shop.urbanart24.de/en/Prints/space-file-black.html
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 12:38:26 GMT 1, CSI:mla! Actually, I'm the one who won the Auction for Faile - Heartbreak in Brooklyn. I still think that 311$ are quite an OK deal on this print - was my missing piece for the complete 150 series. Seller send it very quickly over to Germany, so I don't have any issues with him. This one may not be a good example. I am also the one with many bids on the Faile with my last bid ending at $230. I have very little Ebay bidding history and may bid on 0-2 things a year. The reason there were so many bids was that I had to bid up incrementally to catch the current high bid. Not an EBay expert at all.
CSI:mla! Actually, I'm the one who won the Auction for Faile - Heartbreak in Brooklyn. I still think that 311$ are quite an OK deal on this print - was my missing piece for the complete 150 series. Seller send it very quickly over to Germany, so I don't have any issues with him. This one may not be a good example. I am also the one with many bids on the Faile with my last bid ending at $230. I have very little Ebay bidding history and may bid on 0-2 things a year. The reason there were so many bids was that I had to bid up incrementally to catch the current high bid. Not an EBay expert at all.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by sleazus1slord on Apr 25, 2017 20:53:30 GMT 1, Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher.
My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree.
Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher.
My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Dexter Bulldog on Apr 25, 2017 21:04:49 GMT 1, Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. says the guy with "sleaz" in his name.
nevermind immoral, in any actual business that practice is illegal.
Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. says the guy with "sleaz" in his name. nevermind immoral, in any actual business that practice is illegal.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by sleazus1slord on Apr 25, 2017 21:26:36 GMT 1, Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. says the guy with "sleaz" in his name. nevermind immoral, in any actual business that practice is illegal. Dismissing valid points by taking letters out of my sn is simple deflection. Address my points or don't address me at all.
Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. says the guy with "sleaz" in his name. nevermind immoral, in any actual business that practice is illegal. Dismissing valid points by taking letters out of my sn is simple deflection. Address my points or don't address me at all.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by sleazus1slord on Apr 25, 2017 21:28:32 GMT 1, Says the guy with "bull" in his name.
Says the guy with "bull" in his name.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by sleazus1slord on Apr 25, 2017 21:34:10 GMT 1, This is "invader price check", the ebay result is valid.
Moving on, can I get a price check on aisle signed Los Angeles invader map?
This is "invader price check", the ebay result is valid.
Moving on, can I get a price check on aisle signed Los Angeles invader map?
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WOOF
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by WOOF on Apr 25, 2017 21:59:50 GMT 1, Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. There's nothing you can say to support that statement. Total hyperbole.
Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. There's nothing you can say to support that statement. Total hyperbole.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by djtoine on Apr 25, 2017 22:21:39 GMT 1, This is "invader price check", the ebay result is valid. Moving on, can I get a price check on aisle signed Los Angeles invader map?
And also on the Roma print posted yesterday please? :-)
This is "invader price check", the ebay result is valid. Moving on, can I get a price check on aisle signed Los Angeles invader map? And also on the Roma print posted yesterday please? :-)
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by alk on Apr 26, 2017 4:22:49 GMT 1, Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree.
Yuck
Shill bidding is a fact of life, but when a real buyer puts in the winning bid, the sold price is instantly justified. The same bidding (within 5% range) would have happened in the last minute of the auction without the shill bidder influencing action. The winning bidder was willing to pay $8,101, so the shill bids are really there to hold the integrity of the market value. It's a fine line, but gives the seller a translucent layer of protection in lieu of a high reserve. The practice serves this purpose more often than pushes the market higher. My point is that this looks like a smoking gun on paper, but it didn't change the final hammer price to any quantifiable degree. Yuck
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Rsyok on Apr 27, 2017 9:17:08 GMT 1, All new stock on Hangup is now POA.
All new stock on Hangup is now POA.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Levi Stubbs Tears on Apr 27, 2017 12:34:12 GMT 1, Hi Guys I'm intrigued by the value of the following items: 1- Silver Invasion Ed 50 2- invader "still life with pocari"3- art 4 space 3D edition with 3D specs It's hard to find info on recent sales and it seems to be pretty erratic so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance I sold my Still Life with Pocari for $4,500 about two weeks ago Was that through Hang Up?
Hi Guys I'm intrigued by the value of the following items: 1- Silver Invasion Ed 50 2- invader "still life with pocari"3- art 4 space 3D edition with 3D specs It's hard to find info on recent sales and it seems to be pretty erratic so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance I sold my Still Life with Pocari for $4,500 about two weeks ago Was that through Hang Up?
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 12:38:10 GMT 1, I sold my Still Life with Pocari for $4,500 about two weeks ago Was that through Hang Up?
Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k +
I sold my Still Life with Pocari for $4,500 about two weeks ago Was that through Hang Up? Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k +
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by .dappy on Apr 27, 2017 13:05:48 GMT 1, Was that through Hang Up? Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k + ... I would be very surprised if you could pick up a silver invasion for less than £10k ... prob a lot more ....
... this piece always carried a premium+ even before the recent increases ...
Was that through Hang Up? Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k + ... I would be very surprised if you could pick up a silver invasion for less than £10k ... prob a lot more .... ... this piece always carried a premium+ even before the recent increases ...
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Unica on Apr 27, 2017 13:05:59 GMT 1, Was that through Hang Up? Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k + For me the Invasion pieces are the most iconic, so I'm not surprised at these prices. Compared to Banksy they seem cheap. Now finding them is the hard part, I think Tagliatella Gallery in NY have several in their upcoming Invader show. I inquired and was told the price list has not been set at this time.
Was that through Hang Up? Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k + For me the Invasion pieces are the most iconic, so I'm not surprised at these prices. Compared to Banksy they seem cheap. Now finding them is the hard part, I think Tagliatella Gallery in NY have several in their upcoming Invader show. I inquired and was told the price list has not been set at this time.
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by ricobenfico on Apr 27, 2017 13:10:08 GMT 1, Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k + ... I would be very surprised if you could pick up a silver invasion for less than £10k ... prob a lot more .... ... this piece always carried a premium+ even before the recent increases ... I'd agree with this..... now watch Hang Up add another digit to the price...
Disclosure: I used to own one of these, sold it on here many moons ago for £310......... #nosourgrapes
Silver invasion! Possibly the highest of them all. 8k + ... I would be very surprised if you could pick up a silver invasion for less than £10k ... prob a lot more .... ... this piece always carried a premium+ even before the recent increases ... I'd agree with this..... now watch Hang Up add another digit to the price... Disclosure: I used to own one of these, sold it on here many moons ago for £310......... #nosourgrapes
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 13:12:13 GMT 1, ... I would be very surprised if you could pick up a silver invasion for less than £10k ... prob a lot more .... ... this piece always carried a premium+ even before the recent increases ... I'd agree with this..... now watch Hang Up add another digit to the price... Disclosure: I used to own one of these, sold it on here many moons ago for £310......... #nosourgrapes
That made me feel sick for you! Dappy is right i was being cautious it's more like £12000 in a bidding war...holy fuck would be an acceptable response!
... I would be very surprised if you could pick up a silver invasion for less than £10k ... prob a lot more .... ... this piece always carried a premium+ even before the recent increases ... I'd agree with this..... now watch Hang Up add another digit to the price... Disclosure: I used to own one of these, sold it on here many moons ago for £310......... #nosourgrapes That made me feel sick for you! Dappy is right i was being cautious it's more like £12000 in a bidding war...holy fuck would be an acceptable response!
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by ricobenfico on Apr 27, 2017 13:23:06 GMT 1, Ha, yeah! I'm at peace with it Russ. It was so long ago.
I also sold a Home Earth on here a couple of years ago for £1000 with the caveat I'd get first option on buying it back if the seller decide to let it go again..... I loved that print too. The colouring of Home Earth reminded me of Super Mario World (in a good way!)
Ha, yeah! I'm at peace with it Russ. It was so long ago.
I also sold a Home Earth on here a couple of years ago for £1000 with the caveat I'd get first option on buying it back if the seller decide to let it go again..... I loved that print too. The colouring of Home Earth reminded me of Super Mario World (in a good way!)
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 13:24:31 GMT 1, Ha, yeah! I'm at peace with it Russ. It was so long ago. I also sold a Home Earth on here a couple of years ago for £1000 with the caveat I'd get first option on buying it back if the seller decide to let it go again..... I loved that print too. The colouring of Home Earth reminded me of Super Mario World (in a good way!)
Have home earth on my hall way
Ha, yeah! I'm at peace with it Russ. It was so long ago. I also sold a Home Earth on here a couple of years ago for £1000 with the caveat I'd get first option on buying it back if the seller decide to let it go again..... I loved that print too. The colouring of Home Earth reminded me of Super Mario World (in a good way!) Have home earth on my hall way
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Invader Artwork, VALUATION, by Dust Buster on Apr 27, 2017 14:37:08 GMT 1, Anyone know what a Scooter print goes for these days? I've seen somewhat recent prices in the $1800 range but I think those prices were before the recent frenzy.
Anyone know what a Scooter print goes for these days? I've seen somewhat recent prices in the $1800 range but I think those prices were before the recent frenzy.
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