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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by iamzero on Jun 11, 2015 7:23:37 GMT 1, I am interested on how a commission becomes an edition of 2 and the other ends up in a gallery? I would've guessed if I commissioned something then that would be the only one.
I am interested on how a commission becomes an edition of 2 and the other ends up in a gallery? I would've guessed if I commissioned something then that would be the only one.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Aza on Jun 11, 2015 7:29:46 GMT 1, It could be why Morfx has fallen out with the piece.
It could be why Morfx has fallen out with the piece.
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Hubble Bubble
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Hubble Bubble on Jun 11, 2015 8:23:29 GMT 1, If that's the case and Morfx wasn't told prior to the commission, it's very shabby IMHO. Piece remains strong but, given Morfx's history in the services it should have been a 'one off, unique to him, commissioned by an artist he admired and respected' piece.
If that's the case and Morfx wasn't told prior to the commission, it's very shabby IMHO. Piece remains strong but, given Morfx's history in the services it should have been a 'one off, unique to him, commissioned by an artist he admired and respected' piece.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by sierrahotel on Jun 11, 2015 11:50:13 GMT 1, I know.. it's all very cynical, but guys like Eine just change one colour on one layer on an image, and it's another 'original'.
I know.. it's all very cynical, but guys like Eine just change one colour on one layer on an image, and it's another 'original'.
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Morfx
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 11, 2015 15:26:40 GMT 1, I was open to offers dude.. looking for around 5K Yes I understand dude but makes life a lot simpler if you put that information first of all as it gets rid of the so called tyre kickers you mentioned or anyone who can't afford it. I was genuinely unsure what to ask for, didn't want to be greedy or take a low blow for a flip.. Thanks for clearing this up for me..
If you read the sales thread properly you would of seen Time wasters and Tyre kickers Welcome!!
Stay fresh...
I was open to offers dude.. looking for around 5K Yes I understand dude but makes life a lot simpler if you put that information first of all as it gets rid of the so called tyre kickers you mentioned or anyone who can't afford it. I was genuinely unsure what to ask for, didn't want to be greedy or take a low blow for a flip.. Thanks for clearing this up for me..
If you read the sales thread properly you would of seen Time wasters and Tyre kickers Welcome!!
Stay fresh...
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Morfx
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 11, 2015 15:30:15 GMT 1, I am interested on how a commission becomes an edition of 2 and the other ends up in a gallery? I would've guessed if I commissioned something then that would be the only one. My thoughts exactly..
No answer from Eine.. Contacted other Ben, who confirmed two were made..
Not impressed...
I am interested on how a commission becomes an edition of 2 and the other ends up in a gallery? I would've guessed if I commissioned something then that would be the only one. My thoughts exactly..
No answer from Eine.. Contacted other Ben, who confirmed two were made..
Not impressed...
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Morfx
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 11, 2015 15:32:35 GMT 1, I know.. it's all very cynical, but guys like Eine just change one colour on one layer on an image, and it's another 'original'. 
I know.. it's all very cynical, but guys like Eine just change one colour on one layer on an image, and it's another 'original'. Yup...... |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by iamzero on Jun 11, 2015 15:39:36 GMT 1, That can't be normal can it? I would've thought if you've paid for a commission he then works for you as its your idea.
That can't be normal can it? I would've thought if you've paid for a commission he then works for you as its your idea.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Wearology on Jun 11, 2015 15:40:03 GMT 1, It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed.
Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions.
I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could
do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!!
It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed.
Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions.
I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could
do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!!
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Morfx
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 11, 2015 15:47:27 GMT 1, I will be clearing things up from the start if I ever commission something else.. (doubtfull)
We all live n learn...
I will be clearing things up from the start if I ever commission something else.. (doubtfull)
We all live n learn...
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by sierrahotel on Jun 11, 2015 16:39:29 GMT 1, i had a commission done by an artist I love, super nice guy and it was really cheap - I came with the idea, which was an adaptation of a street image he had done, he cranked out two versions (hand done, non stencil art, diff colours) and let my pick my fave. So he was open in there being at least one other edition floating around. This is far removed from a stencil artist altering a few colours, but same principle.. I think when you come to an artist with a request/ idea you don't really retain the IP in any sense. With stencils it's more painful.
i had a commission done by an artist I love, super nice guy and it was really cheap - I came with the idea, which was an adaptation of a street image he had done, he cranked out two versions (hand done, non stencil art, diff colours) and let my pick my fave. So he was open in there being at least one other edition floating around. This is far removed from a stencil artist altering a few colours, but same principle.. I think when you come to an artist with a request/ idea you don't really retain the IP in any sense. With stencils it's more painful.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 17:00:59 GMT 1, It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!!
It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!! At least they had the decency to ask you for one of them! Not so for Morfx. What s shame |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by iamzero on Jun 11, 2015 17:05:34 GMT 1, Once the hard work of cutting the stencil is done it must be hard to resist not taking a couple of hours more work to paint another version and earn yourself another couple of grand.
Once the hard work of cutting the stencil is done it must be hard to resist not taking a couple of hours more work to paint another version and earn yourself another couple of grand.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Aza on Jun 11, 2015 17:17:03 GMT 1, Title of the piece is quite ironic now.
Title of the piece is quite ironic now.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Happy Shopper on Jun 11, 2015 17:40:48 GMT 1, It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!!
Commission or not, the artist retains all rights to the image.
They can do what they like with their work without asking your permission.
It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!! Commission or not, the artist retains all rights to the image. They can do what they like with their work without asking your permission. |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by lucky7 on Jun 11, 2015 18:13:35 GMT 1, I was open to offers dude.. looking for around 5K Yes I understand dude but makes life a lot simpler if you put that information first of all as it gets rid of the so called tyre kickers you mentioned or anyone who can't afford it.
I think he wanted to leave the conversation open, to trades, negotiations, questions, instead of building a 5K pound wall. Even now he says 5k but it gives me the impression he's open to offers and discussion.
I was open to offers dude.. looking for around 5K Yes I understand dude but makes life a lot simpler if you put that information first of all as it gets rid of the so called tyre kickers you mentioned or anyone who can't afford it. Normally I hate sellers who don't name a price. But this is different. He was very open, he said he was open to tire kickers. Its not like he's being cheeky or waiting for a fat fish. If he had said 5k form the get go, some might have been scared off. I think he wanted to leave the conversation open, to trades, negotiations, questions, instead of building a 5K pound wall. Even now he says 5k but it gives me the impression he's open to offers and discussion. |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by WOOF on Jun 11, 2015 19:07:58 GMT 1, It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!! Commission or not, the artist retains all rights to the image. They can do what they like with their work without asking your permission.
That all depends on the commission agreement...
It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!! Commission or not, the artist retains all rights to the image. They can do what they like with their work without asking your permission. That all depends on the commission agreement... |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by ben3486 on Jun 11, 2015 20:01:22 GMT 1, such a shame mate, really feel for you. hopefully you get this moved on along with your modern art prints and find some thing you fall in love with again. GLWTS
such a shame mate, really feel for you. hopefully you get this moved on along with your modern art prints and find some thing you fall in love with again. GLWTS
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by South Bound on Jun 11, 2015 20:14:53 GMT 1, I would feel pretty burned to, I saw that canvas on Blackbooks Instagram and was wondering if you had consigned it... I now know.
Are you selling the Modern Art prints as a set or individually?
I would feel pretty burned to, I saw that canvas on Blackbooks Instagram and was wondering if you had consigned it... I now know.
Are you selling the Modern Art prints as a set or individually?
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Shoeless on Jun 11, 2015 20:18:31 GMT 1, Title of the piece is quite ironic now.
My thoughts exactly!
Title of the piece is quite ironic now. My thoughts exactly! |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Wearology on Jun 11, 2015 21:03:24 GMT 1, It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!! Commission or not, the artist retains all rights to the image. They can do what they like with their work without asking your permission.
I totally agree that the artist owns all the rights to the image, but there is definitely an unwritten rule that a commission should be a one off and if the artists wants to re-create the image than it should be slightly different than the original one that was commissioned. People pay a premium for a commission for a reason and that is for the exclusivity of the image on that particular medium or in that specific size or in that color palette. The artist and the buyer should always establish some guidelines before the artist proceeds with the commission such as final cost, payment terms, time it will take for completion and if it will be a one off or could be part of a future run.
It is my understanding that if you have a commission done by an artist than it should be a one off and the plate or stencil should be destroyed. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case with my last few commissions. I was asked by one artist if they could do a T-Shirt line from the image another asked if he could do it as a small run and another artist used the image for a large run for a print without even contacting me. I thought if I said no than the artist would perceive me as being difficult and would not agree to do another commission for me in the future. And NO I am not going to name & shame before the Peanut Gallery even starts asking !!!!!!!! Commission or not, the artist retains all rights to the image. They can do what they like with their work without asking your permission. I totally agree that the artist owns all the rights to the image, but there is definitely an unwritten rule that a commission should be a one off and if the artists wants to re-create the image than it should be slightly different than the original one that was commissioned. People pay a premium for a commission for a reason and that is for the exclusivity of the image on that particular medium or in that specific size or in that color palette. The artist and the buyer should always establish some guidelines before the artist proceeds with the commission such as final cost, payment terms, time it will take for completion and if it will be a one off or could be part of a future run. |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Wrxinprogress on Jun 11, 2015 21:04:16 GMT 1, Yup, why can't people just be totally honest.
WTF does tyre kickers welcome even mean? Lowballers? and also apparently time wasters too? why are they welcome? they never buy anything?
Id rather you just put your price out there fella, wether you get it is another matter but at least its a starting point of negotiation, this post and others like it does keep your thread alive tho, maybe its what you hoped for all along.
I do like it after all, not for me @ anywhere near 5K but seriously GLWTS, nice piece.
Yup, why can't people just be totally honest.
WTF does tyre kickers welcome even mean? Lowballers? and also apparently time wasters too? why are they welcome? they never buy anything?
Id rather you just put your price out there fella, wether you get it is another matter but at least its a starting point of negotiation, this post and others like it does keep your thread alive tho, maybe its what you hoped for all along.
I do like it after all, not for me @ anywhere near 5K but seriously GLWTS, nice piece.
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Hubble Bubble
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Hubble Bubble on Jun 11, 2015 21:05:43 GMT 1, That is downright shabby
That is downright shabby
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by jonnyx on Jun 11, 2015 22:17:56 GMT 1, "WTF does tyre kickers welcome even mean? Lowballers? and also apparently time wasters too? why are they welcome? they never buy anything?"
It's a bit of fun isn't it, an irony, it's telling the reader that here's a guy that's pretty laid back about who posts on his thread and/ or PM's him offers, questions, requests for pics, etc.
Also it may be a reaction to the sort of uptight, bread head, pompous poster who INSISTS on no time wasters for whatever precious little print they're doing us the favour of offering up on here. There was a sales thread on here a while ago where the poster basically lost his sh*t over this and his thread got mercilessly ripped by all and sundry.
"WTF does tyre kickers welcome even mean? Lowballers? and also apparently time wasters too? why are they welcome? they never buy anything?"
It's a bit of fun isn't it, an irony, it's telling the reader that here's a guy that's pretty laid back about who posts on his thread and/ or PM's him offers, questions, requests for pics, etc.
Also it may be a reaction to the sort of uptight, bread head, pompous poster who INSISTS on no time wasters for whatever precious little print they're doing us the favour of offering up on here. There was a sales thread on here a while ago where the poster basically lost his sh*t over this and his thread got mercilessly ripped by all and sundry.
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Hubble Bubble on Jun 11, 2015 22:23:01 GMT 1, Morfx
I'm interested to dig a bit more (and I'm on your side on this matter). When you commissioned Ben, did you come up with the slogan or did you leave it to him, just saying you were looking for something to commemorate your leaving the services?
HB
Morfx
I'm interested to dig a bit more (and I'm on your side on this matter). When you commissioned Ben, did you come up with the slogan or did you leave it to him, just saying you were looking for something to commemorate your leaving the services?
HB
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 12, 2015 18:16:45 GMT 1, Morfx I'm interested to dig a bit more (and I'm on your side on this matter). When you commissioned Ben, did you come up with the slogan or did you leave it to him, just saying you were looking for something to commemorate your leaving the services? HB I came up with the phrase and the letters-lines... had a choice of Circus or Vandal font.. I asked for a lot of colour, the rest was all Eine..
Decided I am keeping the canvas.. Just a lil bummed...
Oh that note, if im going to put it in storage, I want to wrap it... is there a special type of plastic-waxy-paper to use???
Stay fresh
Morfx I'm interested to dig a bit more (and I'm on your side on this matter). When you commissioned Ben, did you come up with the slogan or did you leave it to him, just saying you were looking for something to commemorate your leaving the services? HB I came up with the phrase and the letters-lines... had a choice of Circus or Vandal font.. I asked for a lot of colour, the rest was all Eine..
Decided I am keeping the canvas.. Just a lil bummed...
Oh that note, if im going to put it in storage, I want to wrap it... is there a special type of plastic-waxy-paper to use???
Stay fresh
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 12, 2015 18:26:03 GMT 1, The colours are different on the W of this...I agree the artist owns all IP rights, would of been nice to know there was another, before seeing it in a gallery... 
The colours are different on the W of this...I agree the artist owns all IP rights, would of been nice to know there was another, before seeing it in a gallery... |
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 12, 2015 18:28:26 GMT 1, I unhung this and had it sitting on top of my wardrobe... Checked it against the one on Blackbook and sort of fell in love all over again....
Its amazing how your tastes change with your mood...
I unhung this and had it sitting on top of my wardrobe... Checked it against the one on Blackbook and sort of fell in love all over again....
Its amazing how your tastes change with your mood...
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Aza
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Aza on Jun 12, 2015 18:43:02 GMT 1, Wrap it in glassine paper
Wrap it in glassine paper |
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Morfx
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Eine Canvas 91x91cms (Open to offers), by Morfx on Jun 12, 2015 18:47:33 GMT 1, I would feel pretty burned to, I saw that canvas on Blackbooks Instagram and was wondering if you had consigned it... I now know. Are you selling the Modern Art prints as a set or individually? Would love to keep them both, but need must with the sprog coming in 6 months.. i would love to keep the set together, but if i cant i will split them..
I would have to be harsh on these and sell them to the highest bidder (sorry but i need the funds)
will give it until the 25th then will split if i still have them...
I would feel pretty burned to, I saw that canvas on Blackbooks Instagram and was wondering if you had consigned it... I now know. Are you selling the Modern Art prints as a set or individually? Would love to keep them both, but need must with the sprog coming in 6 months.. i would love to keep the set together, but if i cant i will split them..
I would have to be harsh on these and sell them to the highest bidder (sorry but i need the funds)
will give it until the 25th then will split if i still have them...
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