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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Nick on Dec 5, 2015 23:43:30 GMT 1,
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume.
People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist.
Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one.
I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but fuck it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one.
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume.
People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist.
Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one.
I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but fuck it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one.
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by vei on Dec 5, 2015 23:57:50 GMT 1, The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one.
It's true we become dealers to fund our habit.
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one. It's true we become dealers to fund our habit. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Poster Bob on Dec 6, 2015 0:10:59 GMT 1, How is the URBANARTISTS account doing on EBay? Any good flips recently? I see you've flipped the Kunstrasen and Dface prints you talked shit about. Still trying to dump Sandra prints and trying to con new users into auctions that you can easily win? Are the Norwegians still talking about Stein on their forums Deranged?
f**k Deranged. He's just some flipper p*ick paid by Ernest Zacharevic and Sandra Chevrier to hype s**t art along with his juvenile J-Boy prints. These prints will sell at cost within a year. God here comes the forum messiah. deranged this, flip this flip that. Blah blah jbay, jboy, jb**ch, bog, t**t, twonk, pot kettle, black, p*ick blah blah.ย Anyone want a tictac.
How is the URBANARTISTS account doing on EBay? Any good flips recently? I see you've flipped the Kunstrasen and Dface prints you talked shit about. Still trying to dump Sandra prints and trying to con new users into auctions that you can easily win? Are the Norwegians still talking about Stein on their forums Deranged? f**k Deranged. He's just some flipper p*ick paid by Ernest Zacharevic and Sandra Chevrier to hype s**t art along with his juvenile J-Boy prints. These prints will sell at cost within a year. God here comes the forum messiah. deranged this, flip this flip that. Blah blah jbay, jboy, jb**ch, bog, t**t, twonk, pot kettle, black, p*ick blah blah.ย Anyone want a tictac. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by case on Dec 6, 2015 0:11:18 GMT 1, Hmm, my last answer isn`t shown, once again: I think this will be the way to go: Buy art I like to hang up my wall in my range at release and maybe some day a change will be possible. If not, I have other nice pieces to look at. Waiting for my kunstrasen basic fencer right now. 
I don`t think Iยดll buy something just to resell it. You`ll never know but ... naaaaaah, hope this won`t be necessary.
Hmm, my last answer isn`t shown, once again: I think this will be the way to go: Buy art I like to hang up my wall in my range at release and maybe some day a change will be possible. If not, I have other nice pieces to look at. Waiting for my kunstrasen basic fencer right now. I don`t think Iยดll buy something just to resell it. You`ll never know but ... naaaaaah, hope this won`t be necessary. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by natstan on Dec 6, 2015 0:42:41 GMT 1, The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one.
This doesn't sound right but seems like a plan at the same time.
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one. This doesn't sound right but seems like a plan at the same time. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Fะฏ on Dec 6, 2015 0:44:12 GMT 1, How is the URBANARTISTS account doing on EBay? Any good flips recently? I see you've flipped the Kunstrasen and Dface prints you talked s**t about. Still trying to dump Sandra prints and trying to con new users into auctions that you can easily win? Are the Norwegians still talking about Stein on their forums Deranged? God here comes the forum messiah. deranged this, flip this flip that. Blah blah jbay, jboy, jb**ch, bog, t**t, twonk, pot kettle, black, p*ick blah blah. Anyone want a tictac.
anymore posterbob or have i covered future names. Bore off.
How is the URBANARTISTS account doing on EBay? Any good flips recently? I see you've flipped the Kunstrasen and Dface prints you talked s**t about. Still trying to dump Sandra prints and trying to con new users into auctions that you can easily win? Are the Norwegians still talking about Stein on their forums Deranged? God here comes the forum messiah. deranged this, flip this flip that. Blah blah jbay, jboy, jb**ch, bog, t**t, twonk, pot kettle, black, p*ick blah blah. Anyone want a tictac. Deranged, ebay, ebayer, derange, freederange, dface, dbay, dboy, cows, moo,s**t, norway, con, conner, conning, kuntraisin, flip, flipper, flipflop, floppy, urbanartists, urbantwatists, ejbay... anymore posterbob or have i covered future names. Bore off. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Coach on Dec 6, 2015 0:49:25 GMT 1, The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one.
Personally, I don't think it's right to do this.
I may well be in a minority these days though.
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one. Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Fะฏ on Dec 6, 2015 0:51:24 GMT 1, The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one.
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one. This. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Poster Bob on Dec 6, 2015 0:53:19 GMT 1, Bore off? Is that some more ESL nonsense that you picked up off of Ebay? Does it help you sell Chevrier, Kunstrasen and Dface prints? Are Norwegians talking about it on their forums?
How is the URBANARTISTS account doing on EBay? Any good flips recently? I see you've flipped the Kunstrasen and Dface prints you talked s**t about. Still trying to dump Sandra prints and trying to con new users into auctions that you can easily win? Are the Norwegians still talking about Stein on their forums Deranged? Deranged, ebay, ebayer, derange, freederange, dface, dbay, dboy, cows, moo, s**t, norway, con, conner, conning, kuntraisin, flip, flipper, flipflop, floppy, urbanartists, urbant**tists, ejbay... anymore posterbob or have i covered future names. Bore off.
Bore off? Is that some more ESL nonsense that you picked up off of Ebay? Does it help you sell Chevrier, Kunstrasen and Dface prints? Are Norwegians talking about it on their forums? How is the URBANARTISTS account doing on EBay? Any good flips recently? I see you've flipped the Kunstrasen and Dface prints you talked s**t about. Still trying to dump Sandra prints and trying to con new users into auctions that you can easily win? Are the Norwegians still talking about Stein on their forums Deranged? Deranged, ebay, ebayer, derange, freederange, dface, dbay, dboy, cows, moo, s**t, norway, con, conner, conning, kuntraisin, flip, flipper, flipflop, floppy, urbanartists, urbant**tists, ejbay... anymore posterbob or have i covered future names. Bore off. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by 11 on Dec 6, 2015 1:14:47 GMT 1, The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one. Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though.
If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.
.....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other.
The sad fact is that many prints, such as this one, get a good response and after release they command a price much higher than cost. Its very unlikely you'l manage to get one at cost and if you can't afford to pay more there is one tactic you can assume. People often look down at flipping and I dont condone it purely for financial means but as a way of growing a collection it's a valuable tool. When i started buying prints i was skint and it by buying and selling one, it meant i could afford two, or one i preffered..if you get my gist. Get stuck in to this forum, and try and buy a print at release you think will have a good demand. Might be a way of prying a Meadow loose by means of a trade, or the sale could fund one. I'll probably be slated for encouraging flipping but f**k it, its a means to a desired goal. Good luck..hope you find one. Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though. I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Fะฏ on Dec 6, 2015 1:16:44 GMT 1, Bore off? Is that some more ESL nonsense that you picked up off of Ebay? Does it help you sell Chevrier, Kunstrasen and Dface prints? Are Norwegians talking about it on their forums? Deranged, ebay, ebayer, derange, freederange, dface, dbay, dboy, cows, moo, s**t, norway, con, conner, conning, kuntraisin, flip, flipper, flipflop, floppy, urbanartists, urbant**tists, ejbay... anymore posterbob or have i covered future names. Bore off.
*none of which are listed.
Your just jealous as it does not involve sheep.
ill leave it there, i dont have beef with you. Although some of your posts are offal.
i will need more calffeine to stay with this one much longer. Night.
Bore off? Is that some more ESL nonsense that you picked up off of Ebay? Does it help you sell Chevrier, Kunstrasen and Dface prints? Are Norwegians talking about it on their forums? Deranged, ebay, ebayer, derange, freederange, dface, dbay, dboy, cows, moo, s**t, norway, con, conner, conning, kuntraisin, flip, flipper, flipflop, floppy, urbanartists, urbant**tists, ejbay... anymore posterbob or have i covered future names. Bore off. At the moment your helping me sell chevrier, kunstrasen and dface prints on ebay*. Leave the norwegians alone they are an a-moo-sing bunch. They like to chew the cud and knock back an udderly delicious pint or two whilst moo-ching around on their forums. *none of which are listed. Your just jealous as it does not involve sheep. ill leave it there, i dont have beef with you. Although some of your posts are offal. i will need more calffeine to stay with this one much longer. Night. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Stoko on Dec 6, 2015 1:22:13 GMT 1, Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though. I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other.
Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though. I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Coach on Dec 6, 2015 1:26:40 GMT 1, Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though. I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.ย .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. ย
I have bought two pieces that I can recall from you 11, immediately after release, at cost, that you could have sold for more on eBay.
So I know there are people like you that do this.
I have done it too.
Btw, both are still in my collection.
Still wondering why FR suspects case is an old member under a new name. I guess it's just a different approach. As I've said before, it's better to think the best of people until they prove you wrong, rather than assume the worst until they can prove otherwise.
But that's just me......in my mud hut!
Personally, I don't think it's right to do this. I may well be in a minority these days though. I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.ย .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. ย I have bought two pieces that I can recall from you 11, immediately after release, at cost, that you could have sold for more on eBay. So I know there are people like you that do this. I have done it too. Btw, both are still in my collection. Still wondering why FR suspects case is an old member under a new name. I guess it's just a different approach. As I've said before, it's better to think the best of people until they prove you wrong, rather than assume the worst until they can prove otherwise. But that's just me......in my mud hut! |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Coach on Dec 6, 2015 1:27:18 GMT 1, I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.ย .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. ย I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here
Touchรฉ!
I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.ย .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. ย I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here Touchรฉ! |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by d.r. perseus on Dec 6, 2015 3:52:14 GMT 1, "I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it
There is also the truth that sometimes a piece arrives that just doesn't capture those feelings that made me sit through an F5 gang bang. ..when this happens I will sit on the item and sell depending on needs really. Just sold a toucan whatson at cost and the CoA had some damage, and the buyer still tried to get it for less when I could have sold it for much more. This is the nature of buying things of value in conjunction with an art addiction. Everyone is looking for a deal and sometimes they get looking. Good luck OP.
"I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it
There is also the truth that sometimes a piece arrives that just doesn't capture those feelings that made me sit through an F5 gang bang. ..when this happens I will sit on the item and sell depending on needs really. Just sold a toucan whatson at cost and the CoA had some damage, and the buyer still tried to get it for less when I could have sold it for much more. This is the nature of buying things of value in conjunction with an art addiction. Everyone is looking for a deal and sometimes they get looking. Good luck OP.
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Nick on Dec 6, 2015 11:24:54 GMT 1, I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other.
My original message was in reference to the OP's wants and status. He's desperate for a particular print and has very limited resources. Buying one print at release to trade up for his Pejac want isn't necessarily the same thing as those looking for some extra cash to prop their income up with.
I've done it a few times in the past admittedly; when i started collecting in 2011 i had zero spare cash, and most recently when Dolk released IP and Vandal in early 2014. I was desperate for Vandal but HMP's website was in full meltdown mode, IP popped up and i bagged it knowing a trade situation would mean i didn't need to pay 2.5x cost on the vandal 3hours later. What i'm saying is flipping isn't necessarily Black and White. Using a bit of common sense to help your collection is completely different to profiteering with no regard to the art what so ever.
I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. I really wasn't promoting flipping prints in general. I hate it as much as most when you see a for sale advert a week after a drop, especially when it's by members who you can see obviously have the means to buy art with no worry. Buying purely for profit is parasitic to the market and something i frown highly upon. My original message was in reference to the OP's wants and status. He's desperate for a particular print and has very limited resources. Buying one print at release to trade up for his Pejac want isn't necessarily the same thing as those looking for some extra cash to prop their income up with. I've done it a few times in the past admittedly; when i started collecting in 2011 i had zero spare cash, and most recently when Dolk released IP and Vandal in early 2014. I was desperate for Vandal but HMP's website was in full meltdown mode, IP popped up and i bagged it knowing a trade situation would mean i didn't need to pay 2.5x cost on the vandal 3hours later. What i'm saying is flipping isn't necessarily Black and White. Using a bit of common sense to help your collection is completely different to profiteering with no regard to the art what so ever. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by 11 on Dec 7, 2015 16:29:49 GMT 1, I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. I really wasn't promoting flipping prints in general. I hate it as much as most when you see a for sale advert a week after a drop, especially when it's by members who you can see obviously have the means to buy art with no worry. Buying purely for profit is parasitic to the market and something i frown highly upon. My original message was in reference to the OP's wants and status. He's desperate for a particular print and has very limited resources. Buying one print at release to trade up for his Pejac want isn't necessarily the same thing as those looking for some extra cash to prop their income up with. I've done it a few times in the past admittedly; when i started collecting in 2011 i had zero spare cash, and most recently when Dolk released IP and Vandal in early 2014. I was desperate for Vandal but HMP's website was in full meltdown mode, IP popped up and i bagged it knowing a trade situation would mean i didn't need to pay 2.5x cost on the vandal 3hours later. What i'm saying is flipping isn't necessarily Black and White. Using a bit of common sense to help your collection is completely different to profiteering with no regard to the art what so ever.
I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy. .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. I really wasn't promoting flipping prints in general. I hate it as much as most when you see a for sale advert a week after a drop, especially when it's by members who you can see obviously have the means to buy art with no worry. Buying purely for profit is parasitic to the market and something i frown highly upon. My original message was in reference to the OP's wants and status. He's desperate for a particular print and has very limited resources. Buying one print at release to trade up for his Pejac want isn't necessarily the same thing as those looking for some extra cash to prop their income up with. I've done it a few times in the past admittedly; when i started collecting in 2011 i had zero spare cash, and most recently when Dolk released IP and Vandal in early 2014. I was desperate for Vandal but HMP's website was in full meltdown mode, IP popped up and i bagged it knowing a trade situation would mean i didn't need to pay 2.5x cost on the vandal 3hours later. What i'm saying is flipping isn't necessarily Black and White. Using a bit of common sense to help your collection is completely different to profiteering with no regard to the art what so ever. I do understand where you are coming from - I always prefer a trade as then it isn't so much one person making a small fortune from a release and becomes a much fairer transaction with both parties getting a something they want at the original cost of the print they are trading. My post was aimed more at the profiteers that typically don't use the 'profit' to get them their holy grail and just chase money. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by ABC on Dec 7, 2015 20:33:16 GMT 1, I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.ย .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. ย I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here
Stoko, what, like this..and it's on belting out some serious heat 
I think you are right coach - buying with the sole intention to flip isn't the type of practice anyone here should promote. I accept that people, including myself, will buy something and then may have a need in the future to sell it - nobody is trying to say that art can't be sold but if you have no desire for the piece in the first place other than to make a tidy profit then that is wrong - it denies a genuine fan a better chance to get something they will appreciate. If someone has bought a piece that has appreciated so much because of the artists merits, and by selling it enables them to do better things then I have no issue with that and congratulate the person for their good fortune. For those that ride, or even drive, the hype wave and constantly buy low / sell high then, for me they aren't art lovers, they're just greedy.ย .....I have sold pieces to people on this forum at cost when they are going at 5 times the value on eBay, it happens on here a lot more often than some think but maybe only with those that genuinely look out for each other. ย I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here Stoko, what, like this..and it's on belting out some serious heat |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by met on Dec 7, 2015 21:19:57 GMT 1, I really wasn't promoting flipping prints in general. I hate it as much as most when you see a for sale advert a week after a drop, especially when it's by members who you can see obviously have the means to buy art with no worry. Buying purely for profit is parasitic to the market and something i frown highly upon. My original message was in reference to the OP's wants and status. He's desperate for a particular print and has very limited resources. Buying one print at release to trade up for his Pejac want isn't necessarily the same thing as those looking for some extra cash to prop their income up with. I've done it a few times in the past admittedly; when i started collecting in 2011 i had zero spare cash, and most recently when Dolk released IP and Vandal in early 2014. I was desperate for Vandal but HMP's website was in full meltdown mode, IP popped up and i bagged it knowing a trade situation would mean i didn't need to pay 2.5x cost on the vandal 3hours later. What i'm saying is flipping isn't necessarily Black and White. Using a bit of common sense to help your collection is completely different to profiteering with no regard to the art what so ever. I do understand where you are coming from - I always prefer a trade as then it isn't so much one person making a small fortune from a release and becomes a much fairer transaction with both parties getting a something they want at the original cost of the print they are trading. My post was aimed more at the profiteers that typically don't use the 'profit' to get them their holy grail and just chase money.
All judgement aside, when artwork is purchased without the intention of keeping it, the distinction between trading and selling it is artificial. There's no substantial difference between:
(i) trading Print A, whose market value is ยฃ[x], for Print B, whose market value is the same; and
(ii) selling Print A for ยฃ[x], and then using the proceeds to buy Print B.
Nevertheless, I appreciate why, psychologically, it can be very useful for people to convince themselves that a distinction does exist. And also to convince themselves that flipping to trade up is "not really flipping".
As with tokens exchangeable for cash, a traded commercial artwork is but one step removed from cash. According to Dan Ariely, this single step can increase the "personal fudge factor" of people. It allows them to continue feeling good about themselves and their actions in a conveniently self-deluding and self-serving way.
[As for so-called profiteers who don't use profits from art sales to acquire holy grail pieces, I understand the objection. My issue is that the scenario doesn't help establish any principle of general application โ i.e. a principle which remains well-founded regardless of how profits are actually used. This is important because, in almost every case, that use will be unknown to everyone except the relevant so-called profiteer.
It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent.]
I really wasn't promoting flipping prints in general. I hate it as much as most when you see a for sale advert a week after a drop, especially when it's by members who you can see obviously have the means to buy art with no worry. Buying purely for profit is parasitic to the market and something i frown highly upon. My original message was in reference to the OP's wants and status. He's desperate for a particular print and has very limited resources. Buying one print at release to trade up for his Pejac want isn't necessarily the same thing as those looking for some extra cash to prop their income up with. I've done it a few times in the past admittedly; when i started collecting in 2011 i had zero spare cash, and most recently when Dolk released IP and Vandal in early 2014. I was desperate for Vandal but HMP's website was in full meltdown mode, IP popped up and i bagged it knowing a trade situation would mean i didn't need to pay 2.5x cost on the vandal 3hours later. What i'm saying is flipping isn't necessarily Black and White. Using a bit of common sense to help your collection is completely different to profiteering with no regard to the art what so ever. I do understand where you are coming from - I always prefer a trade as then it isn't so much one person making a small fortune from a release and becomes a much fairer transaction with both parties getting a something they want at the original cost of the print they are trading. My post was aimed more at the profiteers that typically don't use the 'profit' to get them their holy grail and just chase money. All judgement aside, when artwork is purchased without the intention of keeping it, the distinction between trading and selling it is artificial. There's no substantial difference between: (i) trading Print A, whose market value is ยฃ[x], for Print B, whose market value is the same; and (ii) selling Print A for ยฃ[x], and then using the proceeds to buy Print B. Nevertheless, I appreciate why, psychologically, it can be very useful for people to convince themselves that a distinction does exist. And also to convince themselves that flipping to trade up is "not really flipping". As with tokens exchangeable for cash, a traded commercial artwork is but one step removed from cash. According to Dan Ariely, this single step can increase the "personal fudge factor" of people. It allows them to continue feeling good about themselves and their actions in a conveniently self-deluding and self-serving way. [As for so-called profiteers who don't use profits from art sales to acquire holy grail pieces, I understand the objection. My issue is that the scenario doesn't help establish any principle of general application โ i.e. a principle which remains well-founded regardless of how profits are actually used. This is important because, in almost every case, that use will be unknown to everyone except the relevant so-called profiteer. It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent.] |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Dr Plip on Dec 7, 2015 21:34:29 GMT 1, Met's posts are always worth concentrating for.
Met's posts are always worth concentrating for. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 21:50:45 GMT 1, I do understand where you are coming from - I always prefer a trade as then it isn't so much one person making a small fortune from a release and becomes a much fairer transaction with both parties getting a something they want at the original cost of the print they are trading. My post was aimed more at the profiteers that typically don't use the 'profit' to get them their holy grail and just chase money. All judgement aside, when artwork is purchased without the intention of keeping it, the distinction between trading and selling it is artificial. There's no substantial difference between: It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent.]
I do understand where you are coming from - I always prefer a trade as then it isn't so much one person making a small fortune from a release and becomes a much fairer transaction with both parties getting a something they want at the original cost of the print they are trading. My post was aimed more at the profiteers that typically don't use the 'profit' to get them their holy grail and just chase money. All judgement aside, when artwork is purchased without the intention of keeping it, the distinction between trading and selling it is artificial. There's no substantial difference between: It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent.]You don't think keeping the capital within the culture helps the culture to develop ? i.e buying from Stolen Space as opposed to say, oh I don't know, Amazon for example ? or, using the gains you made on your prints to purchase originals direct from the artist. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by case on Dec 7, 2015 22:03:39 GMT 1, This is important because, in almost every case, that use will be unknown to everyone except the relevant so-called profiteer.
Case
This is important because, in almost every case, that use will be unknown to everyone except the relevant so-called profiteer. Hey, is there a hidden message? Case |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by met on Dec 7, 2015 22:56:21 GMT 1, All judgement aside, when artwork is purchased without the intention of keeping it, the distinction between trading and selling it is artificial. There's no substantial difference between: It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent.].e buying from Stolen Space as opposed to say, oh I don't know, Amazon for example ? or, using the gains you made on your prints to purchase originals direct from the artist.
No disagreement here.
This is important because, in almost every case, that use will be unknown to everyone except the relevant so-called profiteer. Hey, is there a hidden message? Case
The answer is no, although I'm not sure what you're specifically referring to. If the issue is "so-called profiteer", this was just a reference to 11's earlier use of the term "profiteer".
It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent. Really? Utilitarianism is a pretty well founded argument.
I believe we're probably saying the same thing.
In ethical terms, if it's ever a simple "either/or" scenario and forced choice between:
(a) buying a luxury item to hang on your wall; or
(b) keeping a roof over your family's head,
then opting for the latter can hardly be criticised.
All judgement aside, when artwork is purchased without the intention of keeping it, the distinction between trading and selling it is artificial. There's no substantial difference between: It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent.].e buying from Stolen Space as opposed to say, oh I don't know, Amazon for example ? or, using the gains you made on your prints to purchase originals direct from the artist. No disagreement here. This is important because, in almost every case, that use will be unknown to everyone except the relevant so-called profiteer. Hey, is there a hidden message? Case The answer is no, although I'm not sure what you're specifically referring to. If the issue is "so-called profiteer", this was just a reference to 11's earlier use of the term "profiteer". It cannot for example be convincingly argued that spending profit on a long-coveted artwork is ethically more sound than using the same profit to buy groceries, purchase diapers, or pay this month's rent. Really? Utilitarianism is a pretty well founded argument. I believe we're probably saying the same thing. In ethical terms, if it's ever a simple "either/or" scenario and forced choice between: (a) buying a luxury item to hang on your wall; or (b) keeping a roof over your family's head, then opting for the latter can hardly be criticised. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Lroy on Dec 7, 2015 23:10:42 GMT 1, Met's posts are always worth concentrating for.
lol
Met's posts are always worth concentrating for. lol |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Stoko on Dec 8, 2015 8:10:25 GMT 1, I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here Stoko, what, like this..and it's on belting out some serious heat
Yes; this is my house.
Take THAT, sense and reason. Boom.
I mainly buy art so I can hang it above a radiator and take photos to infuriate people on here Stoko, what, like this..and it's on belting out some serious heat I'll see you and raise you some damp washing. Yes; this is my house. Take THAT, sense and reason. Boom. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by chads007 on Dec 8, 2015 9:29:40 GMT 1, Yes to see a normal dwelling posted for once 
Yes to see a normal dwelling posted for once |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 9:38:36 GMT 1, pah, with your little radiators. (Liked the wet clothes on them, Cant beat a bit of steam)
Though if You want heat, you need one of these :-)
pah, with your little radiators. (Liked the wet clothes on them, Cant beat a bit of steam) Though if You want heat, you need one of these :-) |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by Dr Plip on Dec 8, 2015 9:42:39 GMT 1, pah, with your little radiators. (Liked the wet clothes on them, Cant beat a bit of steam) Though if You want heat, you need one of these :-)
pah, with your little radiators. (Liked the wet clothes on them, Cant beat a bit of steam) Though if You want heat, you need one of these :-) Your clock's melted. |
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by ABC on Dec 8, 2015 12:35:35 GMT 1, Feel we have hijacked this thread a little but there should be a thread "show us your art hanging in places that mess with our art OCD" for sure.
Feel we have hijacked this thread a little but there should be a thread "show us your art hanging in places that mess with our art OCD" for sure.
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Pejac โข Meadow Print, by chads007 on Dec 8, 2015 12:56:43 GMT 1, Or 'show us art in normal homes without spendy spendy high gloss white designer furniture'
Or 'show us art in normal homes without spendy spendy high gloss white designer furniture'
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