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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 21:46:31 GMT 1, "Bristol graffiti artist Inkie has said it is "unacceptable" that an advert for Dr Martens has been painted over graffiti in Stokes Croft."
www.bristol247.com/channel/culture/art/street-art/street-art-fans-angry-over-new-mural
Big corporations using any tactics to get people to buy their product in my opinion.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Lroy on Nov 11, 2015 22:46:48 GMT 1, Thank you Polppi , very interesting. I saw a documentary on French TV last days, about " how they killed these awful graffitied in Philadelphia " Guess what ? With Street arts ! Most commissioned of course .. And now Philadelphia passes to be the capital of street-art ?! Lol ! There is even buses and tour operator to show that to the people ... I did not see any interesting piece, even Momo 's ( not Mau Mau lol ) one was weak ! And totries and tv commentators " sell " this town as THe street-art capital ! Even Russian propaganda with his stencils in red and black of Lenin were most beautiful ! ( no, not Korea - too much pink and flowers lol )
Thank you Polppi , very interesting. I saw a documentary on French TV last days, about " how they killed these awful graffitied in Philadelphia " Guess what ? With Street arts ! Most commissioned of course .. And now Philadelphia passes to be the capital of street-art ?! Lol ! There is even buses and tour operator to show that to the people ... I did not see any interesting piece, even Momo 's ( not Mau Mau lol ) one was weak ! And totries and tv commentators " sell " this town as THe street-art capital ! Even Russian propaganda with his stencils in red and black of Lenin were most beautiful ! ( no, not Korea - too much pink and flowers lol )
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by My Name is Frank on Nov 11, 2015 23:58:45 GMT 1, The old argument was graf was being painted over by street art, with similar connotations as to its Legitimacy, stealing prime spots for self promotion. To me this just seems like chickens coming home to roost a little, as street art commercialised itself, it has pretty much lost the right to protest when someone paints over their 'advertising space'
The old argument was graf was being painted over by street art, with similar connotations as to its Legitimacy, stealing prime spots for self promotion. To me this just seems like chickens coming home to roost a little, as street art commercialised itself, it has pretty much lost the right to protest when someone paints over their 'advertising space'
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Dr Plip on Nov 12, 2015 0:17:21 GMT 1, The old argument was graf was being painted over by street art, with similar connotations as to its Legitimacy, stealing prime spots for self promotion. To me this just seems like chickens coming home to roost a little, as street art commercialised itself, it has pretty much lost the right to protest when someone paints over their 'advertising space' It's an interesting blurring of street art and commercialism. Shoe company employs street artist so they can use their art on shoes. Shoe company then employs same artist to paint those shoes on the street. Who's advertising who?
The old argument was graf was being painted over by street art, with similar connotations as to its Legitimacy, stealing prime spots for self promotion. To me this just seems like chickens coming home to roost a little, as street art commercialised itself, it has pretty much lost the right to protest when someone paints over their 'advertising space' It's an interesting blurring of street art and commercialism. Shoe company employs street artist so they can use their art on shoes. Shoe company then employs same artist to paint those shoes on the street. Who's advertising who?
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by .dappy on Nov 12, 2015 0:23:54 GMT 1, 'Inkie said: "I know Mark Wigan and Josh Stika well and they are both very talented and really lovely guys who aren't at fault here'
... so DM pay a couple of local known street artists to do their painting for them ... they glady accept the money did the painting but its not their 'fault' ...
... it's hardly as if DM pasted up a giant poster on the wall through some ad/poster agency ... it's already been graff'd ... so Inkie gave me them the publicity they had hoped for, I suppose ...
... anyway ...
'Inkie said: "I know Mark Wigan and Josh Stika well and they are both very talented and really lovely guys who aren't at fault here'
... so DM pay a couple of local known street artists to do their painting for them ... they glady accept the money did the painting but its not their 'fault' ...
... it's hardly as if DM pasted up a giant poster on the wall through some ad/poster agency ... it's already been graff'd ... so Inkie gave me them the publicity they had hoped for, I suppose ...
... anyway ...
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by 11 on Nov 12, 2015 0:49:56 GMT 1, I think theres two elements to this, one is the ongoing evolution of 'Street-Art in to the mainstream and being consumed as an advertising medium....
and then theres the age old challenge of the Graff rules and the lack of understanding of the (typically) art students that adopt 'street-art' as their style. Inevitably resulting in beautiful murals being ripped to shreds within hours and previous proud artist aghast at why someone would do something to their beautiful piece.....totally oblivious to the tags and throws they've just completed blotted out.
On this one I wonder if the artists knew exactly what the outcome would be - although being from the area still seems a weird move as it will create 'beef' with local taggers and could affect any future work they do in the area - that is probably why Inkie is making every effort to distance the artists from a piece of paid work.
I remember chatting to the guy that did the recent Sony iCam Mural with the Owls in Camden - great piece but a Sony advert. He didn't put his name to it - and told me he was happy enough to get paid for doing something he loved and is good at, but as advertising he didn't want to attach his artist name to it.
I think theres two elements to this, one is the ongoing evolution of 'Street-Art in to the mainstream and being consumed as an advertising medium....
and then theres the age old challenge of the Graff rules and the lack of understanding of the (typically) art students that adopt 'street-art' as their style. Inevitably resulting in beautiful murals being ripped to shreds within hours and previous proud artist aghast at why someone would do something to their beautiful piece.....totally oblivious to the tags and throws they've just completed blotted out.
On this one I wonder if the artists knew exactly what the outcome would be - although being from the area still seems a weird move as it will create 'beef' with local taggers and could affect any future work they do in the area - that is probably why Inkie is making every effort to distance the artists from a piece of paid work.
I remember chatting to the guy that did the recent Sony iCam Mural with the Owls in Camden - great piece but a Sony advert. He didn't put his name to it - and told me he was happy enough to get paid for doing something he loved and is good at, but as advertising he didn't want to attach his artist name to it.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 0:53:36 GMT 1, Dr Martens used an ad agency?
Dr Martens is a big manufacturer (in China). Think they still have a factory in the UK.
Who promotes their footwear as urban or trendy. When all they are interested in is profit.
Their patented hot knife manufacturing method produces dioxins.
Wonder where all the toxic waste goes?
Not environmentally friendly.
To me it's just another big brand jumping on the street art graffiti bandwagon to advertise it's corporate wares.
www.drmartens.com/uk/art-of-industrial-manufacturing
"A highly skilled machinist places the upper and sole – which are now loosely sandwiched together – against a heated blade which is kept at 700 degrees centigrade. This blade goes in between the sole and the welted upper, melts the PVC of the sole and – if the machinist’s hands have done their job – seamlessly fuses the two parts of the boot together"
Dr Martens used an ad agency?
Dr Martens is a big manufacturer (in China). Think they still have a factory in the UK.
Who promotes their footwear as urban or trendy. When all they are interested in is profit.
Their patented hot knife manufacturing method produces dioxins.
Wonder where all the toxic waste goes?
Not environmentally friendly.
To me it's just another big brand jumping on the street art graffiti bandwagon to advertise it's corporate wares.
www.drmartens.com/uk/art-of-industrial-manufacturing
"A highly skilled machinist places the upper and sole – which are now loosely sandwiched together – against a heated blade which is kept at 700 degrees centigrade. This blade goes in between the sole and the welted upper, melts the PVC of the sole and – if the machinist’s hands have done their job – seamlessly fuses the two parts of the boot together"
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by dreadnatty on Nov 12, 2015 1:01:56 GMT 1, Did DM get permission from the owner or was it a 'public' wall?
Did DM get permission from the owner or was it a 'public' wall?
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by .dappy on Nov 12, 2015 1:05:09 GMT 1, ... cows produce 40% of all of methane gas by farting and burping all day and are one of the main sources of greenhouse gases producing climate change ...
... virtually everything that we do produces waste one way or another ...
... and DMs last longer than other shoes and therefore overall produce less toxins than other makes of shoes ...
... let's all wear flip-ploppi's
... cows produce 40% of all of methane gas by farting and burping all day and are one of the main sources of greenhouse gases producing climate change ... ... virtually everything that we do produces waste one way or another ... ... and DMs last longer than other shoes and therefore overall produce less toxins than other makes of shoes ... ... let's all wear flip-ploppi's
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 1:16:03 GMT 1, ... cows produce 40% of all of methane gas by farting and burping all day and are one of the main sources of greenhouse gases producing climate change ... ... virtually everything that we do produces waste one way or another ... ... and DMs last longer than other shoes and therefore overall produce less toxins than other makes of shoes ... ... let's all wear flip-floppi's
Cows don't produce dioxins. Methane can be used to run cars.
DM's don't last longer than other quality boots of the same price range.
Burning PVC produces dioxins which is the patented Dr Marten manufacturing method.
Bet you don't know what they do with their dioxin waste?
Vegan Dr Martens, the raw materials polyester polyuretanes etc have been tested on animals. They changed their color coding recently as they used to have a color called n****r Brown.
If it was a public wall I can see why Inkie is not happy if his art was just painted over.
If it was a private wall, then it's up to the wall owner and agreement they had with Inkie.
I know in the USA artists have been able to claim damages when their public art on a wall was removed without their permission.
... cows produce 40% of all of methane gas by farting and burping all day and are one of the main sources of greenhouse gases producing climate change ... ... virtually everything that we do produces waste one way or another ... ... and DMs last longer than other shoes and therefore overall produce less toxins than other makes of shoes ... ... let's all wear flip-floppi's
Cows don't produce dioxins. Methane can be used to run cars.
DM's don't last longer than other quality boots of the same price range.
Burning PVC produces dioxins which is the patented Dr Marten manufacturing method.
Bet you don't know what they do with their dioxin waste?
Vegan Dr Martens, the raw materials polyester polyuretanes etc have been tested on animals. They changed their color coding recently as they used to have a color called n****r Brown.
If it was a public wall I can see why Inkie is not happy if his art was just painted over.
If it was a private wall, then it's up to the wall owner and agreement they had with Inkie.
I know in the USA artists have been able to claim damages when their public art on a wall was removed without their permission.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Stopki on Nov 12, 2015 1:18:14 GMT 1, If dm asked indie to do the ad it would be a different conversation
Just nonsense
If dm asked indie to do the ad it would be a different conversation
Just nonsense
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by 11 on Nov 12, 2015 1:22:23 GMT 1, Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out.
The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space
DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by dreadnatty on Nov 12, 2015 1:46:17 GMT 1, Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.com these building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents.
Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 1:52:03 GMT 1, Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
I like their ad.
"Stand for something"
Boycott Dr Martens.
Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
I like their ad.
"Stand for something"
Boycott Dr Martens.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by .dappy on Nov 12, 2015 1:53:04 GMT 1, ... bet i do ...
let's ban all PVC and where it is used by anybody ...
'According to www.pvc.org, PVC was used in the soles and uppers of modern shoes to provide a synthetic alternative to traditional leather, often allowing for more cost-effective production and innovative styles through its capacity to be moulded into shape. However, campaigners had been calling for phase-out of PVC for many years due to fact it creates and releases one of the most toxic chemicals – dioxin.
... bet i do ... let's ban all PVC and where it is used by anybody ... 'According to www.pvc.org, PVC was used in the soles and uppers of modern shoes to provide a synthetic alternative to traditional leather, often allowing for more cost-effective production and innovative styles through its capacity to be moulded into shape. However, campaigners had been calling for phase-out of PVC for many years due to fact it creates and releases one of the most toxic chemicals – dioxin.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 2:24:57 GMT 1, ... bet i do ... let's ban all PVC and where it is used by anybody ... 'According to www.pvc.org, PVC was used in the soles and uppers of modern shoes to provide a synthetic alternative to traditional leather, often allowing for more cost-effective production and innovative styles through its capacity to be moulded into shape. However, campaigners had been calling for phase-out of PVC for many years due to fact it creates and releases one of the most toxic chemicals – dioxin.
PVC was a Nazi invention, due to leather shortage etc.
PVC releases dioxins when burned.
Dr Martens burns PVC in it's patented hot knife process to weld the PVC sole onto the upper.
Anyway when street artists are spraying adverts on walls for big corps.
Does it mean street art has sold out?
... bet i do ... let's ban all PVC and where it is used by anybody ... 'According to www.pvc.org, PVC was used in the soles and uppers of modern shoes to provide a synthetic alternative to traditional leather, often allowing for more cost-effective production and innovative styles through its capacity to be moulded into shape. However, campaigners had been calling for phase-out of PVC for many years due to fact it creates and releases one of the most toxic chemicals – dioxin.
PVC was a Nazi invention, due to leather shortage etc.
PVC releases dioxins when burned.
Dr Martens burns PVC in it's patented hot knife process to weld the PVC sole onto the upper.
Anyway when street artists are spraying adverts on walls for big corps.
Does it mean street art has sold out?
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by 11 on Nov 12, 2015 2:49:37 GMT 1, Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents.
We have the same with globalstreetart and a few others. My take is that While privately owned was probably left and over time taggers have just assumed it a public space and therefore part of their territory. I don't know but would seem to be more of a misunderstanding - maybe they should have cleaned it down and kept it blank for a while to signify it was in fact private space before trying to put a corporate funded image up
Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents. We have the same with globalstreetart and a few others. My take is that While privately owned was probably left and over time taggers have just assumed it a public space and therefore part of their territory. I don't know but would seem to be more of a misunderstanding - maybe they should have cleaned it down and kept it blank for a while to signify it was in fact private space before trying to put a corporate funded image up
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by dreadnatty on Nov 12, 2015 3:17:50 GMT 1, Agree but doubt it wouldve stayed blank for too long. No win situation for building owner.
Agree but doubt it wouldve stayed blank for too long. No win situation for building owner.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by met on Nov 12, 2015 5:27:41 GMT 1, Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents. Whilst understanding your position (at least from a strictly aesthetic perspective), my own stance is the opposite: I would much rather see crap, pasted-up ads than street-art-style or graffiti-style advertising.
The impact of corporates deliberately trying to muddy the distinction between outdoor art and advertising is in my opinion an insidious one. This includes using mediums traditionally associated with street art or graffiti, like spray paint, as well as the forced association of placing such ads in close proximity to existing street art and graffiti. It's an attempt at cultural appropriation and it should be resisted — even if simply out of principle, i.e. regardless of whether or not an act of resistance may be seen as futile.
I'm very familiar but uncomfortable with the different rationalisations often advanced to excuse and help legitimise these outdoor advertising commissions carried out by artists.
For such cases, I believe compromise is in fact culturally harmful and that it's preferable for positions to remain polarised.
I would therefore actively encourage anyone to dog, go over or destroy these ads. And to keep doing so until companies and brands start to question the commercial viability and public-relations impact of marketing themselves in this manner.
The issue has previously been touched upon at various times, including on the LONDON Street Art thread. It was more recently discussed at greater length in another thread for a London wall painted by Dan Kitchener (regarding which I was pleased to find the Sony logo subsequently buffed, perhaps by Kitchener himself).
Theres no way it was a public wall as that would be lunacy - it would have been obliterated - more than likely it is a private wall that has been left to be tagged and sprayed. The owner has been approached, paid and agreed to rent it out. The Shoreditch underground also had a recent DM face-lift - the space flits between advertising and artist space DM by 11 for UAA, on Flickr While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents. Whilst understanding your position (at least from a strictly aesthetic perspective), my own stance is the opposite: I would much rather see crap, pasted-up ads than street-art-style or graffiti-style advertising. The impact of corporates deliberately trying to muddy the distinction between outdoor art and advertising is in my opinion an insidious one. This includes using mediums traditionally associated with street art or graffiti, like spray paint, as well as the forced association of placing such ads in close proximity to existing street art and graffiti. It's an attempt at cultural appropriation and it should be resisted — even if simply out of principle, i.e. regardless of whether or not an act of resistance may be seen as futile. I'm very familiar but uncomfortable with the different rationalisations often advanced to excuse and help legitimise these outdoor advertising commissions carried out by artists. For such cases, I believe compromise is in fact culturally harmful and that it's preferable for positions to remain polarised. I would therefore actively encourage anyone to dog, go over or destroy these ads. And to keep doing so until companies and brands start to question the commercial viability and public-relations impact of marketing themselves in this manner. The issue has previously been touched upon at various times, including on the LONDON Street Art thread. It was more recently discussed at greater length in another thread for a London wall painted by Dan Kitchener (regarding which I was pleased to find the Sony logo subsequently buffed, perhaps by Kitchener himself).
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by RolexDave on Nov 12, 2015 8:15:01 GMT 1, Estate agents using street artists to sell property there next....
Estate agents using street artists to sell property there next....
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by .dappy on Nov 12, 2015 8:51:44 GMT 1, ... bet i do ... let's ban all PVC and where it is used by anybody ... 'According to www.pvc.org, PVC was used in the soles and uppers of modern shoes to provide a synthetic alternative to traditional leather, often allowing for more cost-effective production and innovative styles through its capacity to be moulded into shape. However, campaigners had been calling for phase-out of PVC for many years due to fact it creates and releases one of the most toxic chemicals – dioxin. PVC was a Nazi invention, due to leather shortage etc. PVC releases dioxins when burned.
Dr Martens burns PVC in it's patented hot knife process to weld the PVC sole onto the upper.
... Goodwin's Law ....
... bet i do ... let's ban all PVC and where it is used by anybody ... 'According to www.pvc.org, PVC was used in the soles and uppers of modern shoes to provide a synthetic alternative to traditional leather, often allowing for more cost-effective production and innovative styles through its capacity to be moulded into shape. However, campaigners had been calling for phase-out of PVC for many years due to fact it creates and releases one of the most toxic chemicals – dioxin. PVC was a Nazi invention, due to leather shortage etc. PVC releases dioxins when burned.
Dr Martens burns PVC in it's patented hot knife process to weld the PVC sole onto the upper.
... Goodwin's Law ....
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Coach on Nov 12, 2015 10:36:49 GMT 1, While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents. Whilst understanding your position (at least from a strictly aesthetic perspective), my own stance is the opposite: I would much rather see crap, pasted-up ads than street-art-style or graffiti-style advertising. The impact of corporates deliberately trying to muddy the distinction between outdoor art and advertising is in my opinion an insidious one. This includes using mediums traditionally associated with street art or graffiti, like spray paint, as well as the forced association of placing such ads in close proximity to existing street art and graffiti. It's an attempt at cultural appropriation and it should be resisted — even if simply out of principle, i.e. regardless of whether or not an act of resistance may be seen as futile. I'm very familiar but uncomfortable with the different rationalisations often advanced to excuse and help legitimise these outdoor advertising commissions carried out by artists. For such cases, I believe compromise is in fact culturally harmful and that it's preferable for positions to remain polarised. I would therefore actively encourage anyone to dog, go over or destroy these ads. And to keep doing so until companies and brands start to question the commercial viability and public-relations impact of marketing themselves in this manner. The issue has previously been touched upon at various times, including on the LONDON Street Art thread. It was more recently discussed at greater length in another thread for a London wall painted by Dan Kitchener (regarding which I was pleased to find the Sony logo subsequently buffed, perhaps by Kitchener himself).
Not to mention street art copies now being incorporated into television advertising!
While I dont like seeing them either if it was a private wall and the owner agreed to let them paint the ad, I dont see the problem. There are a fair amount of 'private' walls in Williamsburg/Greenpoint that are 'rented out' and usually painted by skyhighmurals.com / colossalmedia.comthese building owners usually allow artists to use other walls for street artists etc. iwould rather see these types of ads then the crap that they used to paste up. Have a feeling that im prob in the minority here but thats my 2 cents. Whilst understanding your position (at least from a strictly aesthetic perspective), my own stance is the opposite: I would much rather see crap, pasted-up ads than street-art-style or graffiti-style advertising. The impact of corporates deliberately trying to muddy the distinction between outdoor art and advertising is in my opinion an insidious one. This includes using mediums traditionally associated with street art or graffiti, like spray paint, as well as the forced association of placing such ads in close proximity to existing street art and graffiti. It's an attempt at cultural appropriation and it should be resisted — even if simply out of principle, i.e. regardless of whether or not an act of resistance may be seen as futile. I'm very familiar but uncomfortable with the different rationalisations often advanced to excuse and help legitimise these outdoor advertising commissions carried out by artists. For such cases, I believe compromise is in fact culturally harmful and that it's preferable for positions to remain polarised. I would therefore actively encourage anyone to dog, go over or destroy these ads. And to keep doing so until companies and brands start to question the commercial viability and public-relations impact of marketing themselves in this manner. The issue has previously been touched upon at various times, including on the LONDON Street Art thread. It was more recently discussed at greater length in another thread for a London wall painted by Dan Kitchener (regarding which I was pleased to find the Sony logo subsequently buffed, perhaps by Kitchener himself). Not to mention street art copies now being incorporated into television advertising!
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 10:42:28 GMT 1, Did DM get permission from the owner or was it a 'public' wall? There are no public walls, private sector bought the UK long ago. ;-)
Did DM get permission from the owner or was it a 'public' wall? There are no public walls, private sector bought the UK long ago. ;-)
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by vernaxley on Nov 12, 2015 10:47:57 GMT 1, For advertising agencies exploiting the hell out Graffiti look no further than Mother in London. Check out this instagram of the wall in their reception area
http://instagram.com/p/4mAE8hsdkE
For advertising agencies exploiting the hell out Graffiti look no further than Mother in London. Check out this instagram of the wall in their reception area http://instagram.com/p/4mAE8hsdkE
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by loother on Nov 12, 2015 11:21:52 GMT 1, Surely companies have been paying for adverts to be painted on walls since long before graffiti existed as a movement in any recogniseable form?
Surely companies have been paying for adverts to be painted on walls since long before graffiti existed as a movement in any recogniseable form?
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Lroy on Nov 12, 2015 11:58:14 GMT 1, About the comissionned stree-art to kill graffiti ' s soul and mind.
About the comissionned stree-art to kill graffiti ' s soul and mind.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by 11 on Nov 12, 2015 12:44:00 GMT 1, I think I posted a pic a few moths ago of building site hoardings with the vinyl branding plastered all over then and they had a number of street artists imagery incorporated into the background.
The fact they are still there makes me wonder if the artists gave their permission and wasn't just a plain case of image theft
Streetart is (sadly) becoming a mainstream tool for many aspects of corporate promotion and regeneration
I think I posted a pic a few moths ago of building site hoardings with the vinyl branding plastered all over then and they had a number of street artists imagery incorporated into the background.
The fact they are still there makes me wonder if the artists gave their permission and wasn't just a plain case of image theft
Streetart is (sadly) becoming a mainstream tool for many aspects of corporate promotion and regeneration
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Lroy on Nov 12, 2015 15:15:44 GMT 1, I think I posted a pic a few moths ago of building site hoardings with the vinyl branding plastered all over then and they had a number of street artists imagery incorporated into the background. The fact they are still there makes me wonder if the artists gave their permission and wasn't just a plain case of image theft Streetart is (sadly) becoming a mainstream tool for many aspects of corporate promotion and regeneration As for punk in the late 70 and 80, it is what we call a " Hijacking " , an expolitation by the media, the fashion, the show-business, the trust and commercial advertising, publicity, movies, even the politics etc... Look, it is because of the punk that we had a moment ( we still have ) , grannies or " bourgeoises" with colored hairs, bondage clothes, posters of Vicious or fuck in the clean and coccoon room of good maners teens, etc... They have done the same with graffiti : at the begining it was ( it is still ) a rebel act ( as we can see in the first 5 minutes of Exit Trought the Gift shop ... ) , and destroy mind, Anarchy, etc... and now, to stop this destroy manners, they use it for advertisement.
Mister André was a lot compromised with publicity ( he has done the posters for bus stops, for the fashion week at the Galeries Lafayette, made the pub advert for « the Kooples » , APC, Kitsuné, Louis Vuitton, etc.. ( I think that he is one of the most hated in the graffiti world in France with Monoply too ! )
I know that artists have to eat but....
And Kidult attacked Monopoly too !
I think I posted a pic a few moths ago of building site hoardings with the vinyl branding plastered all over then and they had a number of street artists imagery incorporated into the background. The fact they are still there makes me wonder if the artists gave their permission and wasn't just a plain case of image theft Streetart is (sadly) becoming a mainstream tool for many aspects of corporate promotion and regeneration As for punk in the late 70 and 80, it is what we call a " Hijacking " , an expolitation by the media, the fashion, the show-business, the trust and commercial advertising, publicity, movies, even the politics etc... Look, it is because of the punk that we had a moment ( we still have ) , grannies or " bourgeoises" with colored hairs, bondage clothes, posters of Vicious or fuck in the clean and coccoon room of good maners teens, etc... They have done the same with graffiti : at the begining it was ( it is still ) a rebel act ( as we can see in the first 5 minutes of Exit Trought the Gift shop ... ) , and destroy mind, Anarchy, etc... and now, to stop this destroy manners, they use it for advertisement. Mister André was a lot compromised with publicity ( he has done the posters for bus stops, for the fashion week at the Galeries Lafayette, made the pub advert for « the Kooples » , APC, Kitsuné, Louis Vuitton, etc.. ( I think that he is one of the most hated in the graffiti world in France with Monoply too ! ) I know that artists have to eat but.... And Kidult attacked Monopoly too !
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by WOOF on Nov 12, 2015 16:26:58 GMT 1, For advertising agencies exploiting the hell out Graffiti look no further than Mother in London. Check out this instagram of the wall in their reception area http://instagr.am/p/4mAE8hsdkE Maybe they just want to work in a building that doesn't look like a bank. Or maybe they're grafitti artists themselves. I do the job they do, and still love street art. Some of my friends in the industry are old school graf writers. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
For advertising agencies exploiting the hell out Graffiti look no further than Mother in London. Check out this instagram of the wall in their reception area http://instagr.am/p/4mAE8hsdkE Maybe they just want to work in a building that doesn't look like a bank. Or maybe they're grafitti artists themselves. I do the job they do, and still love street art. Some of my friends in the industry are old school graf writers. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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Inkie angry over Dr Martens street art advert , by Prescription Art on Nov 12, 2015 16:59:11 GMT 1, For advertising agencies exploiting the hell out Graffiti look no further than Mother in London. Check out this instagram of the wall in their reception area http://instagr.am/p/4mAE8hsdkE They commissioned ROIDS to do that piece a few years ago. That was his very tongue in cheek response to the brief.
He did this print around the same time:
www.art collectorz/assets/managed/images/cache/ABBQAAAAO4A7IAIAAAAAA5YB6QA7777774AAAAAAVQB6KBAA.jpg[/img]
For advertising agencies exploiting the hell out Graffiti look no further than Mother in London. Check out this instagram of the wall in their reception area http://instagr.am/p/4mAE8hsdkE They commissioned ROIDS to do that piece a few years ago. That was his very tongue in cheek response to the brief. He did this print around the same time: www.art collectorz/assets/managed/images/cache/ABBQAAAAO4A7IAIAAAAAA5YB6QA7777774AAAAAAVQB6KBAA.jpg[/img]
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