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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:07:28 GMT 1, Yes really. That's why the local council decides to spend money covering the stencil to protect it. Banksy another pawn in the game maybe ?
I heard the reason why the council decided to protect it was because someone contacted them a day after it was done and told them what it could be worth.
Yes really. That's why the local council decides to spend money covering the stencil to protect it. Banksy another pawn in the game maybe ? Really?, tell me more Ploppi, about how it was done legally?. I heard the reason why the council decided to protect it was because someone contacted them a day after it was done and told them what it could be worth. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:27:58 GMT 1, Yes really. ย That's why the local council decides to spend money covering the stencil to protect it. ย Banksy another pawn in the game maybe ? Really?, tell me more Ploppi, about how it was done legally?. I heard the reason why the council decided to protect it was because someone contacted them a day after it was done and told them what it could be worth.
ย ย Someone from Banksy team contacted the council 
Meanwhile in France if one makes illegal graffiti they get the book thrown at them and a big fine.
Which makes Banky's stencils have legal status.
Yes really. ย That's why the local council decides to spend money covering the stencil to protect it. ย Banksy another pawn in the game maybe ? Really?, tell me more Ploppi, about how it was done legally?. I heard the reason why the council decided to protect it was because someone contacted them a day after it was done and told them what it could be worth. ย ย Someone from Banksy team contacted the council Meanwhile in France if one makes illegal graffiti they get the book thrown at them and a big fine. Which makes Banky's stencils have legal status. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Coach on Dec 22, 2015 12:33:47 GMT 1, Really?, tell me more Ploppi, about how it was done legally?. I heard the reason why the council decided to protect it was because someone contacted them a day after it was done and told them what it could be worth. ย ย Someone from Banksy team contacted the council Meanwhile in France if one makes illegal graffiti they get the book thrown at them and a big fine. Which makes Banky's stencils have legal status.
Do you know this for a fact, or are you stating it's something that might have happened?
Really?, tell me more Ploppi, about how it was done legally?. I heard the reason why the council decided to protect it was because someone contacted them a day after it was done and told them what it could be worth. ย ย Someone from Banksy team contacted the council Meanwhile in France if one makes illegal graffiti they get the book thrown at them and a big fine. Which makes Banky's stencils have legal status. Do you know this for a fact, or are you stating it's something that might have happened? |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:36:00 GMT 1, A shame that my topic turned into a discussion regarding money, value and investments.
All i wanted to know why people generally like banksy works so much.
I can't believe most is money-related.....
Any other thoughts on why people like banksy works so much?
A shame that my topic turned into a discussion regarding money, value and investments.
All i wanted to know why people generally like banksy works so much.
I can't believe most is money-related.....
Any other thoughts on why people like banksy works so much?
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:44:50 GMT 1, ย ย Someone from Banksy team contacted the council Meanwhile in France if one makes illegal graffiti they get the book thrown at them and a big fine. Which makes Banky's stencils have legal status. Do you know this for a fact, or are you stating it's something that might have happened?
fr.vox.ulule.com/qu-qu-risque-graffiti-727/
ย It does depend a lot on the mentality of the police and mayor in a region.
There are lots of designated graffiti areas.
ย ย Strange law in France too that anyone who makes illegal art on a wall and depicts a copyrighted cartoon caracter is "double illegal"
ย ย Someone from Banksy team contacted the council Meanwhile in France if one makes illegal graffiti they get the book thrown at them and a big fine. Which makes Banky's stencils have legal status. Do you know this for a fact, or are you stating it's something that might have happened? 'art_urbain_en_France fr.vox.ulule.com/qu-qu-risque-graffiti-727/ย It does depend a lot on the mentality of the police and mayor in a region. There are lots of designated graffiti areas. ย ย Strange law in France too that anyone who makes illegal art on a wall and depicts a copyrighted cartoon caracter is "double illegal" |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:46:20 GMT 1, A shame that my topic turned into a discussion regarding money, value and investments. All i wanted to know why people generally like banksy works so much. I can't believe most is money-related..... Any other thoughts on why people like banksy works so much?
I like Banksy's works a lot.
I like other artists just as a lot too.
Banksy is one of many.
A shame that my topic turned into a discussion regarding money, value and investments. All i wanted to know why people generally like banksy works so much. I can't believe most is money-related..... Any other thoughts on why people like banksy works so much? I like Banksy's works a lot. I like other artists just as a lot too. Banksy is one of many. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:47:49 GMT 1, A shame that my topic turned into a discussion regarding money, value and investments. All i wanted to know why people generally like banksy works so much. I can't believe most is money-related..... Any other thoughts on why people like banksy works so much? I like Banksy's works a lot. I like other artists just as a lot too. Banksy is one of many. 
A shame that my topic turned into a discussion regarding money, value and investments. All i wanted to know why people generally like banksy works so much. I can't believe most is money-related..... Any other thoughts on why people like banksy works so much? I like Banksy's works a lot. I like other artists just as a lot too. Banksy is one of many. Not really an answer is it? |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:55:06 GMT 1, I like the fact that one can buy a print with an anti consumer message.
I like the fact that one can buy a print with an anti consumer message.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by tomega on Dec 22, 2015 13:27:45 GMT 1, I know it doesn't seem like it now - as he's achieved so much fame - but for me it was the fact that an unknown cheeky graffiti artist was putting two fingers up to authority in a way that was very humorous and at times had a socio political environmental message all of which was done in a way like no other had done before - at least not as far as I knew at that time. I guess any of us could go on about how we shared his viewpoint and how we too were concerned about the same issues he was highlighting - Gaza for example. But that wasn't the case for me. I have to be completely honest, the fact he was wanted by councils / police - the closet we had to an outlaw - and nobody (seemingly) knew who he was I thought was fantastic and I would have loved him just for that. However, my overall feeling was I just thought his work on the street was fu*king funny and very clever. I guess members here can mention many street works which impressed but for me I remember reading about his well hung lover work and couldn't get over how clever it was - the window, man looking out, the lover hanging etc - let alone figuring out how it was done and then the link with the building as a sex clinic, I'd never known anything like it before, pure genius. Simple as.
I know it doesn't seem like it now - as he's achieved so much fame - but for me it was the fact that an unknown cheeky graffiti artist was putting two fingers up to authority in a way that was very humorous and at times had a socio political environmental message all of which was done in a way like no other had done before - at least not as far as I knew at that time. I guess any of us could go on about how we shared his viewpoint and how we too were concerned about the same issues he was highlighting - Gaza for example. But that wasn't the case for me. I have to be completely honest, the fact he was wanted by councils / police - the closet we had to an outlaw - and nobody (seemingly) knew who he was I thought was fantastic and I would have loved him just for that. However, my overall feeling was I just thought his work on the street was fu*king funny and very clever. I guess members here can mention many street works which impressed but for me I remember reading about his well hung lover work and couldn't get over how clever it was - the window, man looking out, the lover hanging etc - let alone figuring out how it was done and then the link with the building as a sex clinic, I'd never known anything like it before, pure genius. Simple as.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by My Name is Frank on Dec 22, 2015 13:36:04 GMT 1, People talk of team Banksy. No one talks of team Abrams, team Polanski or team Aronofsky.
To give a slightly more mature reason than yesterday, although Banksy is hilarious, I also admire his ability to work and create across all mediums with ease.
His better outside than in set a new bar in using social media as art. The Pet shop with imaginative animatronics, films, music, stencils, statues, stencils of rats to sides of buildings.
In many respects, in my opinion, he is a renaissance man of the digital age. Yes it is expensive to generate PR, but surely from the outset Banksy was by very definition with his stencils on the streets an attention seeker. Over the last twenty years he has become a master of grabbing it and I admire him for that too.
At the end of the day though, the humour is the glue that holds it all together and differentiates him from other political artists, sardonic 90% of the time, but aware enough to try and tackle some issues head on in a serious nature the other 10% of the time.
How it is executed really doesn't matter, if you treat him as a director/ producer, then there really has been very few people who can match his cultural contribution in the 21st century, from cans festival, ETTGS, Bristol museum, Boti, dismaland, barely legal to simpler but just as striking awareness raising works in Palestine, it's hard to argue that his legacy is not diverse and important once you get beyond the value of his prints.
People talk of team Banksy. No one talks of team Abrams, team Polanski or team Aronofsky.
To give a slightly more mature reason than yesterday, although Banksy is hilarious, I also admire his ability to work and create across all mediums with ease.
His better outside than in set a new bar in using social media as art. The Pet shop with imaginative animatronics, films, music, stencils, statues, stencils of rats to sides of buildings.
In many respects, in my opinion, he is a renaissance man of the digital age. Yes it is expensive to generate PR, but surely from the outset Banksy was by very definition with his stencils on the streets an attention seeker. Over the last twenty years he has become a master of grabbing it and I admire him for that too.
At the end of the day though, the humour is the glue that holds it all together and differentiates him from other political artists, sardonic 90% of the time, but aware enough to try and tackle some issues head on in a serious nature the other 10% of the time.
How it is executed really doesn't matter, if you treat him as a director/ producer, then there really has been very few people who can match his cultural contribution in the 21st century, from cans festival, ETTGS, Bristol museum, Boti, dismaland, barely legal to simpler but just as striking awareness raising works in Palestine, it's hard to argue that his legacy is not diverse and important once you get beyond the value of his prints.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Coach on Dec 22, 2015 13:39:23 GMT 1, People talk of team Banksy. No one talks of team Abrams, team Polanski or team Aronofsky. To give a slightly more mature reason than yesterday, although Banksy is hilarious, I also admire his ability to work and create across all mediums with ease. His better outside than in set a new bar in using social media as art. The Pet shop with imaginative animatronics, films, music, stencils, statues, stencils of rats to sides of buildings. In many respects, in my opinion, he is a renaissance man of the digital age. Yes it is expensive to generate PR, but surely from the outset Banksy was by very definition with his stencils on the streets an attention seeker. Over the last twenty years he has become a master of grabbing it and I admire him for that too. At the end of the day though, the humour is the glue that holds it all together and differentiates him from other political artists, sardonic 90% of the time, but aware enough to try and tackle some issues head on in a serious nature the other 10% of the time. How it is executed really doesn't matter, if you treat him as a director/ producer, then there really has been very few people who can match his cultural contribution in the 21st century, from cans festival, ETTGS, Bristol museum, Boti, dismaland, barely legal to simpler but just as striking awareness raising works in Palestine, it's hard to argue that his legacy is not diverse and important once you get beyond the value of his prints.
I think that fits perfectly with what I was trying to say a lot less eloquently, Frank.
People talk of team Banksy. No one talks of team Abrams, team Polanski or team Aronofsky. To give a slightly more mature reason than yesterday, although Banksy is hilarious, I also admire his ability to work and create across all mediums with ease. His better outside than in set a new bar in using social media as art. The Pet shop with imaginative animatronics, films, music, stencils, statues, stencils of rats to sides of buildings. In many respects, in my opinion, he is a renaissance man of the digital age. Yes it is expensive to generate PR, but surely from the outset Banksy was by very definition with his stencils on the streets an attention seeker. Over the last twenty years he has become a master of grabbing it and I admire him for that too. At the end of the day though, the humour is the glue that holds it all together and differentiates him from other political artists, sardonic 90% of the time, but aware enough to try and tackle some issues head on in a serious nature the other 10% of the time. How it is executed really doesn't matter, if you treat him as a director/ producer, then there really has been very few people who can match his cultural contribution in the 21st century, from cans festival, ETTGS, Bristol museum, Boti, dismaland, barely legal to simpler but just as striking awareness raising works in Palestine, it's hard to argue that his legacy is not diverse and important once you get beyond the value of his prints. I think that fits perfectly with what I was trying to say a lot less eloquently, Frank. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by daveart on Dec 22, 2015 15:26:20 GMT 1, This is a tricky one really. For me there is Why did i like Banksy 'back then' and why do i continue to care now. For me back then was probably 2006 ish. i think i joined this forum in early 2008. I liked that no one i knew had heard of him - i am in rural middle of the USA - He was using the internet in exciting ways. He was bypassing normal gallery channels - and i was at the time and still now very interested in disruptive technologies and changing the power structure from the establishment to a more diversified individual level. etc. He was making great artwork that was a encapsulating the social mood of the day..etc. and frankly.. i could affford the art. sure in 2007 i would have loved to have been buying warhols & lichtenstiens.. i mean why not? oh .. why not? galleries wouldnt even talk to me when i walked in the door in jeans and a tshirt and a ball cap. i wasnt really their demographic.. so ..F them. i'll buy art online .. and then i found this forum.. and it was all over really.. Banksy Have a nice day was my first print. i think it perfectly stated how i felt about the whole mess in the world.. there were really smart people trying to help.. putting these men and women in harms way,etc.. but they were making a mess of everything.
People on this forum at the time were debating if banksy prints were worth $800 USD. ha. etc. it was fun. buy, trade, meet people. why not? any wanker can walk into a gallery and bang money on their visa gold card .. whatever. i wanted a deeper interaction with the art, the artists, and the people interested.
Banksy today. honestly.. if i just got into this scene today.. umm.. no. i couldnt do it. 7-10K + for your first unsigned print? ha ha .. no i dont think so. i have a lot of respect for Banksy back in the day.. i don't know now.. its all so big and not really what i got into to begin with. I'll hang my head in shame and admit i sold a Banksy this year.. didnt think i ever would. but.. the money is crazy.. and i used the funds to buy a Swoon and i gave her a donation for her kickstarter campaign, a Chevrier original, a FAILE, etc.. maybe financially a bad move but overall, i am pretty dang happy with it right now.
So, Banksy THEN... YES. Banksy now. hard to know what to do .. its all so different than what i got into to begin with. well, enjoy it all regardless of where you are with your collecting interests. for me, i doubt i would ever buy another Banksy but damn happy with the ones i still have.
This is a tricky one really. For me there is Why did i like Banksy 'back then' and why do i continue to care now. For me back then was probably 2006 ish. i think i joined this forum in early 2008. I liked that no one i knew had heard of him - i am in rural middle of the USA - He was using the internet in exciting ways. He was bypassing normal gallery channels - and i was at the time and still now very interested in disruptive technologies and changing the power structure from the establishment to a more diversified individual level. etc. He was making great artwork that was a encapsulating the social mood of the day..etc. and frankly.. i could affford the art. sure in 2007 i would have loved to have been buying warhols & lichtenstiens.. i mean why not? oh .. why not? galleries wouldnt even talk to me when i walked in the door in jeans and a tshirt and a ball cap. i wasnt really their demographic.. so ..F them. i'll buy art online .. and then i found this forum.. and it was all over really.. Banksy Have a nice day was my first print. i think it perfectly stated how i felt about the whole mess in the world.. there were really smart people trying to help.. putting these men and women in harms way,etc.. but they were making a mess of everything.
People on this forum at the time were debating if banksy prints were worth $800 USD. ha. etc. it was fun. buy, trade, meet people. why not? any wanker can walk into a gallery and bang money on their visa gold card .. whatever. i wanted a deeper interaction with the art, the artists, and the people interested.
Banksy today. honestly.. if i just got into this scene today.. umm.. no. i couldnt do it. 7-10K + for your first unsigned print? ha ha .. no i dont think so. i have a lot of respect for Banksy back in the day.. i don't know now.. its all so big and not really what i got into to begin with. I'll hang my head in shame and admit i sold a Banksy this year.. didnt think i ever would. but.. the money is crazy.. and i used the funds to buy a Swoon and i gave her a donation for her kickstarter campaign, a Chevrier original, a FAILE, etc.. maybe financially a bad move but overall, i am pretty dang happy with it right now.
So, Banksy THEN... YES. Banksy now. hard to know what to do .. its all so different than what i got into to begin with. well, enjoy it all regardless of where you are with your collecting interests. for me, i doubt i would ever buy another Banksy but damn happy with the ones i still have.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by kaotek on Dec 22, 2015 15:40:41 GMT 1, Banksy is very good at getting a message out there in a way that even those not involved in the art world can take a look and grasp the concept behind the piece. His work always starts a conversation and I think that is a main contributer to his success. In addition to that the air of anonymity keeps people interested and coming back for more.
Banksy is very good at getting a message out there in a way that even those not involved in the art world can take a look and grasp the concept behind the piece. His work always starts a conversation and I think that is a main contributer to his success. In addition to that the air of anonymity keeps people interested and coming back for more.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by vernaxley on Dec 22, 2015 16:16:39 GMT 1, Agree to disagree. As much as I enjoy Banksy art works, I enjoy the marketing and branding at work just as much. We'll take the recent Banksy print given to the Dismaland employees. If you took away the brand name, what would you have left? 
You have a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy.
Agree to disagree. As much as I enjoy Banksy art works, I enjoy the marketing and branding at work just as much. We'll take the recent Banksy print given to the Dismaland employees. If you took away the brand name, what would you have left? You have a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by met on Dec 22, 2015 18:06:27 GMT 1, Agree to disagree. As much as I enjoy Banksy art works, I enjoy the marketing and branding at work just as much. We'll take the recent Banksy print given to the Dismaland employees. If you took away the brand name, what would you have left? You have a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy.
An impressively clear-sighted and succinct response.
Agree to disagree. As much as I enjoy Banksy art works, I enjoy the marketing and branding at work just as much. We'll take the recent Banksy print given to the Dismaland employees. If you took away the brand name, what would you have left? You have a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy. An impressively clear-sighted and succinct response. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by met on Dec 22, 2015 18:27:05 GMT 1, It's simple... Money. His work isn't groundbreaking. His technique isn't stunning. I don't get it, it's not 'awesome' in any sense. When I look at one of my many Miss Bugs on my walls, there is no comparison, Banksy is not top notch! #truth But I dare you to debate. The only reason you would is to protect your investment. His work is VERY mediocre. when it comes to talent and composition, there are many artist we discuss on this very forum that outshines the Mr. b. Ian F. Paul Insect Miss Bugs. Conor Harrington. Etc.... Otto, I do take issue with what you say. With Banksy, it's not about the quality of the execution. I do think his works are brilliantly executed. But he certainly isn't the very best stencil artist out there. The quality of his works are in the message, the humour, the daring, and the scale of his ventures. I'm sick of hearing the word brand attributed to this artist. And if you honestly think that I am debating with you to protect an investment, you are wrong. I really don't think sweeping generalisations are helpful. No doubt whatsoever that there are people on here that are motivated by money and greed. But there are others who are not. I can think of people on here who have been quite open about their lack of funds to buy banksy pieces, but who love banksy's work with a passion. Edit - Otto, I have just reread this, and it sounds quite aggressive. Not my intention at all. Sometimes happens when trying to have a conversation in writing. Read it in a calm voice! ;-)
For what it's worth, I don't consider your comment aggressive. But in case the comment is viewed this way, it certainly cannot be described as unduly aggressive.
There have been many times where I've read posts which have left me completely dumbfounded. Most often, I just ignore them. Occasionally, I also make a quick mental note to skip over any future posts by the same author โ in the interest of efficiency and as a helpful time-saving exercise.
They can genuinely make me feel like the Principal moderating the Academic Decathlon in Billy Madison.
It's simple... Money. His work isn't groundbreaking. His technique isn't stunning. I don't get it, it's not 'awesome' in any sense. When I look at one of my many Miss Bugs on my walls, there is no comparison, Banksy is not top notch! #truth But I dare you to debate. The only reason you would is to protect your investment. His work is VERY mediocre. when it comes to talent and composition, there are many artist we discuss on this very forum that outshines the Mr. b. Ian F. Paul Insect Miss Bugs. Conor Harrington. Etc.... Otto, I do take issue with what you say. With Banksy, it's not about the quality of the execution. I do think his works are brilliantly executed. But he certainly isn't the very best stencil artist out there. The quality of his works are in the message, the humour, the daring, and the scale of his ventures. I'm sick of hearing the word brand attributed to this artist. And if you honestly think that I am debating with you to protect an investment, you are wrong. I really don't think sweeping generalisations are helpful. No doubt whatsoever that there are people on here that are motivated by money and greed. But there are others who are not. I can think of people on here who have been quite open about their lack of funds to buy banksy pieces, but who love banksy's work with a passion. Edit - Otto, I have just reread this, and it sounds quite aggressive. Not my intention at all. Sometimes happens when trying to have a conversation in writing. Read it in a calm voice! ;-) For what it's worth, I don't consider your comment aggressive. But in case the comment is viewed this way, it certainly cannot be described as unduly aggressive. There have been many times where I've read posts which have left me completely dumbfounded. Most often, I just ignore them. Occasionally, I also make a quick mental note to skip over any future posts by the same author โ in the interest of efficiency and as a helpful time-saving exercise. They can genuinely make me feel like the Principal moderating the Academic Decathlon in Billy Madison. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by bsimkin on Dec 22, 2015 18:59:06 GMT 1, It's simple... Money. His work isn't groundbreaking. His technique isn't stunning. I don't get it, it's not 'awesome' in any sense. When I look at one of my many Miss Bugs on my walls, there is no comparison, Banksy is not top notch! #truth But I dare you to debate. The only reason you would is to protect your investment. His work is VERY mediocre. when it comes to talent and composition, there are many artist we discuss on this very forum that outshines the Mr. b. Ian F. Paul Insect Miss Bugs. Conor Harrington. Etc....
Regarding banksy, maybe it's all about money today (since that is what this forum has turned into), but I can attest that my draw to him is the same as many others. I appreciate his humor, challenging the status quo, and his cunning ability to infiltrate seemingly impenetrable places (disney world, gaza, etc) as the drive of his fame. I started following him in 2005, when you could pick up, for the most part, whatever you'd like of his to own.s**t, if i wasn't graduating from grad school at the time, I would easily have dropped $3,000 on a Paranoid Pictures canvas (cost of it at the time), not to mention the many prints available for way less than some of these fly-by-night street artists we've seen pumped on here in the past year. Am I interested in protecting my investment? Not really, as i didn't buy my sole banksy print from POW at the time as an investment. I am interested though in seeing how his career develops now that everything he does is under such a big microscope.
Regarding Miss Bugs: I just don't see the level of talent/originality. Maybe technically, yes, they are skilled in how they use color along with toy race cars, surgical knives, pharmaceuticals and resin. But honestly, all i see from them is repetition of the same subject matter over and over. I applaud their use of materials and their originals are interesting, but their subject matter is so repetitive and gasp, boring, that i couldn't see anyone wanting more than one of their prints (same goes for Hush). I have the small metal 'lost faith in pop, found warhol' but aside from that one, I literally fall asleep looking at what appears to be the same imagery reconstructed and released over and over. Please enlighten me if I'm missing something in their process/inspiration, I know you are a big fan of theirs.
It's simple... Money. His work isn't groundbreaking. His technique isn't stunning. I don't get it, it's not 'awesome' in any sense. When I look at one of my many Miss Bugs on my walls, there is no comparison, Banksy is not top notch! #truth But I dare you to debate. The only reason you would is to protect your investment. His work is VERY mediocre. when it comes to talent and composition, there are many artist we discuss on this very forum that outshines the Mr. b. Ian F. Paul Insect Miss Bugs. Conor Harrington. Etc.... You do realize one of your 'talented artists' worked/works with banksy (paul insect). And I don't mean in the Dismaland sense. I mean, he's actually worked with him. You can also see the similarities in their stencil styles when comparing paul insect and banksy. I could be wrong on this, but I know others have pointed to an uncanny similarity in their stencil work. Regarding banksy, maybe it's all about money today (since that is what this forum has turned into), but I can attest that my draw to him is the same as many others. I appreciate his humor, challenging the status quo, and his cunning ability to infiltrate seemingly impenetrable places (disney world, gaza, etc) as the drive of his fame. I started following him in 2005, when you could pick up, for the most part, whatever you'd like of his to own.s**t, if i wasn't graduating from grad school at the time, I would easily have dropped $3,000 on a Paranoid Pictures canvas (cost of it at the time), not to mention the many prints available for way less than some of these fly-by-night street artists we've seen pumped on here in the past year. Am I interested in protecting my investment? Not really, as i didn't buy my sole banksy print from POW at the time as an investment. I am interested though in seeing how his career develops now that everything he does is under such a big microscope. Regarding Miss Bugs: I just don't see the level of talent/originality. Maybe technically, yes, they are skilled in how they use color along with toy race cars, surgical knives, pharmaceuticals and resin. But honestly, all i see from them is repetition of the same subject matter over and over. I applaud their use of materials and their originals are interesting, but their subject matter is so repetitive and gasp, boring, that i couldn't see anyone wanting more than one of their prints (same goes for Hush). I have the small metal 'lost faith in pop, found warhol' but aside from that one, I literally fall asleep looking at what appears to be the same imagery reconstructed and released over and over. Please enlighten me if I'm missing something in their process/inspiration, I know you are a big fan of theirs. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Ottomatik on Dec 22, 2015 20:04:46 GMT 1, It's simple... Money. His work isn't groundbreaking. His technique isn't stunning. I don't get it, it's not 'awesome' in any sense. When I look at one of my many Miss Bugs on my walls, there is no comparison, Banksy is not top notch! #truth But I dare you to debate. The only reason you would is to protect your investment. His work is VERY mediocre. when it comes to talent and composition, there are many artist we discuss on this very forum that outshines the Mr. b. Ian F. Paul Insect Miss Bugs. Conor Harrington. Etc.... Otto, I do take issue with what you say. With Banksy, it's not about the quality of the execution. I do think his works are brilliantly executed. But he certainly isn't the very best stencil artist out there. The quality of his works are in the message, the humour, the daring, and the scale of his ventures. I'm sick of hearing the word brand attributed to this artist. And if you honestly think that I am debating with you to protect an investment, you are wrong. I really don't think sweeping generalisations are helpful. No doubt whatsoever that there are people on here that are motivated by money and greed. But there are others who are not. I can think of people on here who have been quite open about their lack of funds to buy banksy pieces, but who love banksy's work with a passion. Edit - Otto, I have just reread this, and it sounds quite aggressive. Not my intention at all. Sometimes happens when trying to have a conversation in writing. Read it in a calm voice! ;-)
Coach-
I may have deserved some aggression thrown my way.
I really shouldn't post comments like that once I've hit the bolly!
Sorry for my bolly induced rant, hope I haven't caused anyone too much pain.
For what it's worth, Queen Vic is a holy grail for me. One day I will own one.
It's simple... Money. His work isn't groundbreaking. His technique isn't stunning. I don't get it, it's not 'awesome' in any sense. When I look at one of my many Miss Bugs on my walls, there is no comparison, Banksy is not top notch! #truth But I dare you to debate. The only reason you would is to protect your investment. His work is VERY mediocre. when it comes to talent and composition, there are many artist we discuss on this very forum that outshines the Mr. b. Ian F. Paul Insect Miss Bugs. Conor Harrington. Etc.... Otto, I do take issue with what you say. With Banksy, it's not about the quality of the execution. I do think his works are brilliantly executed. But he certainly isn't the very best stencil artist out there. The quality of his works are in the message, the humour, the daring, and the scale of his ventures. I'm sick of hearing the word brand attributed to this artist. And if you honestly think that I am debating with you to protect an investment, you are wrong. I really don't think sweeping generalisations are helpful. No doubt whatsoever that there are people on here that are motivated by money and greed. But there are others who are not. I can think of people on here who have been quite open about their lack of funds to buy banksy pieces, but who love banksy's work with a passion. Edit - Otto, I have just reread this, and it sounds quite aggressive. Not my intention at all. Sometimes happens when trying to have a conversation in writing. Read it in a calm voice! ;-) Coach- I may have deserved some aggression thrown my way. I really shouldn't post comments like that once I've hit the bolly! Sorry for my bolly induced rant, hope I haven't caused anyone too much pain. For what it's worth, Queen Vic is a holy grail for me. One day I will own one. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 20:09:37 GMT 1, People talk of team Banksy. No one talks of team Abrams, team Polanski or team Aronofsky. To give a slightly more mature reason than yesterday, although Banksy is hilarious, I also admire his ability to work and create across all mediums with ease. His better outside than in set a new bar in using social media as art. The Pet shop with imaginative animatronics, films, music, stencils, statues, stencils of rats to sides of buildings. In many respects, in my opinion, he is a renaissance man of the digital age. Yes it is expensive to generate PR, but surely from the outset Banksy was by very definition with his stencils on the streets an attention seeker. Over the last twenty years he has become a master of grabbing it and I admire him for that too. At the end of the day though, the humour is the glue that holds it all together and differentiates him from other political artists, sardonic 90% of the time, but aware enough to try and tackle some issues head on in a serious nature the other 10% of the time. How it is executed really doesn't matter, if you treat him as a director/ producer, then there really has been very few people who can match his cultural contribution in the 21st century, from cans festival, ETTGS, Bristol museum, Boti, dismaland, barely legal to simpler but just as striking awareness raising works in Palestine, it's hard to argue that his legacy is not diverse and important once you get beyond the value of his prints.
I don't know who the other two are.
People talk of team Banksy. No one talks of team Abrams, team Polanski or team Aronofsky. To give a slightly more mature reason than yesterday, although Banksy is hilarious, I also admire his ability to work and create across all mediums with ease. His better outside than in set a new bar in using social media as art. The Pet shop with imaginative animatronics, films, music, stencils, statues, stencils of rats to sides of buildings. In many respects, in my opinion, he is a renaissance man of the digital age. Yes it is expensive to generate PR, but surely from the outset Banksy was by very definition with his stencils on the streets an attention seeker. Over the last twenty years he has become a master of grabbing it and I admire him for that too. At the end of the day though, the humour is the glue that holds it all together and differentiates him from other political artists, sardonic 90% of the time, but aware enough to try and tackle some issues head on in a serious nature the other 10% of the time. How it is executed really doesn't matter, if you treat him as a director/ producer, then there really has been very few people who can match his cultural contribution in the 21st century, from cans festival, ETTGS, Bristol museum, Boti, dismaland, barely legal to simpler but just as striking awareness raising works in Palestine, it's hard to argue that his legacy is not diverse and important once you get beyond the value of his prints. No one likes Polanski. I don't know who the other two are. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Coach on Dec 22, 2015 20:46:29 GMT 1, Otto, I do take issue with what you say. With Banksy, it's not about the quality of the execution. I do think his works are brilliantly executed. But he certainly isn't the very best stencil artist out there. The quality of his works are in the message, the humour, the daring, and the scale of his ventures. I'm sick of hearing the word brand attributed to this artist. And if you honestly think that I am debating with you to protect an investment, you are wrong. I really don't think sweeping generalisations are helpful. No doubt whatsoever that there are people on here that are motivated by money and greed. But there are others who are not. I can think of people on here who have been quite open about their lack of funds to buy banksy pieces, but who love banksy's work with a passion. Edit - Otto, I have just reread this, and it sounds quite aggressive. Not my intention at all. Sometimes happens when trying to have a conversation in writing. Read it in a calm voice! ;-) Coach- I may have deserved some aggression thrown my way. I really shouldn't post comments like that once I've hit the bolly! Sorry for my bolly induced rant, hope I haven't caused anyone too much pain. For what it's worth, Queen Vic is a holy grail for me. One day I will own one.
Haha! Boozy posting can be a mare! I've done a fair bit of that myself. No worries fella. And yes, queen Vic is a smasher!
Otto, I do take issue with what you say. With Banksy, it's not about the quality of the execution. I do think his works are brilliantly executed. But he certainly isn't the very best stencil artist out there. The quality of his works are in the message, the humour, the daring, and the scale of his ventures. I'm sick of hearing the word brand attributed to this artist. And if you honestly think that I am debating with you to protect an investment, you are wrong. I really don't think sweeping generalisations are helpful. No doubt whatsoever that there are people on here that are motivated by money and greed. But there are others who are not. I can think of people on here who have been quite open about their lack of funds to buy banksy pieces, but who love banksy's work with a passion. Edit - Otto, I have just reread this, and it sounds quite aggressive. Not my intention at all. Sometimes happens when trying to have a conversation in writing. Read it in a calm voice! ;-) Coach- I may have deserved some aggression thrown my way. I really shouldn't post comments like that once I've hit the bolly! Sorry for my bolly induced rant, hope I haven't caused anyone too much pain. For what it's worth, Queen Vic is a holy grail for me. One day I will own one. Haha! Boozy posting can be a mare! I've done a fair bit of that myself. No worries fella. And yes, queen Vic is a smasher! |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 20:49:20 GMT 1, Banksy hit the right part of the internet age.
Ernest Pignon 1974.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by case on Dec 22, 2015 21:12:12 GMT 1, Less "marketing", "price", "sell", more "message", "talent", "commitment" please. Either way he is a genius. Yes, I`m a dreamer and really hoping Banksy is about what his strong images say. It is kind of weird and funny to see some of his pieces being used for what they denunciate. At least I think it is. The only one who really knows is the master himself.
Less "marketing", "price", "sell", more "message", "talent", "commitment" please. Either way he is a genius. Yes, I`m a dreamer and really hoping Banksy is about what his strong images say. It is kind of weird and funny to see some of his pieces being used for what they denunciate. At least I think it is. The only one who really knows is the master himself.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 22, 2015 21:29:30 GMT 1, Exactly my point.
The question was : Why do people like Banksy works so much?"
Banksy utilized a new technology, and a brilliant marketing strategy, to put his brand at the top of the heap. People want what is considered the best, especially in the world of luxury items.
Exactly my point. The question was : Why do people like Banksy works so much?" Banksy utilized a new technology, and a brilliant marketing strategy, to put his brand at the top of the heap. People want what is considered the best, especially in the world of luxury items. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 22, 2015 21:34:01 GMT 1, Agree to disagree. As much as I enjoy Banksy art works, I enjoy the marketing and branding at work just as much. We'll take the recent Banksy print given to the Dismaland employees. If you took away the brand name, what would you have left? You have a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy.
...a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy," or would it be just another attempt by a crap opportunist artist to make cash on the heels of Banksy?
That is a rhetorical question, of course.
Agree to disagree. As much as I enjoy Banksy art works, I enjoy the marketing and branding at work just as much. We'll take the recent Banksy print given to the Dismaland employees. If you took away the brand name, what would you have left? You have a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy. What if it was signed "Outis?" Would it still be " ...a symbol of control, power and subjugation re-appropriated as a source of joy," or would it be just another attempt by a crap opportunist artist to make cash on the heels of Banksy? That is a rhetorical question, of course. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Spenie on Dec 23, 2015 1:04:45 GMT 1, For me, what Banksy does is very clever, it's a one liner that we can all understand but theres always that clever political undertone that gets you thinking and talking about his work.not everything he does hits the mark with me but I still respect the effort and thinking that has gone into the work.For people to say that the only reason Banksy is hyped up is to protect an investment is very short sighted, many people who do hype the artist have no prints, just a love for his work.
I also then start to ask what makes Trickers Stow Boots so amazing, but until you've owned a pair you'll never know.
For me, what Banksy does is very clever, it's a one liner that we can all understand but theres always that clever political undertone that gets you thinking and talking about his work.not everything he does hits the mark with me but I still respect the effort and thinking that has gone into the work.For people to say that the only reason Banksy is hyped up is to protect an investment is very short sighted, many people who do hype the artist have no prints, just a love for his work. I also then start to ask what makes Trickers Stow Boots so amazing, but until you've owned a pair you'll never know. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 14:39:54 GMT 1, That definitely would be the end of us, but not "it all". I've read that a lot of scientists rate the biggest threats to humans 1. Asteroid/comet impact 2. Threat from A.I. But, humans are acting like robots more every day, so I doubt we would really notice the second.
That definitely would be the end of us, but not "it all". I've read that a lot of scientists rate the biggest threats to humans 1. Asteroid/comet impact 2. Threat from A.I. But, humans are acting like robots more every day, so I doubt we would really notice the second. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by tigerblood on Dec 23, 2015 17:17:47 GMT 1, What I like most about his work is that it seems to lend itself so well to tattoos.
Grin.
What I like most about his work is that it seems to lend itself so well to tattoos.
Grin.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 20:07:53 GMT 1, people like Banksy like Banksy
people like Banksy like Banksy
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