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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 18:18:42 GMT 1, Who paid for these?
Us the taxpayers who democratically voted them in with the powers to do just this type of thing. That's democracy for you.
Spot on. The number of times (working in the public sector myself) I hear things like this and it always irks. Another one is the notion of the 'Tax Payer', as if it's some type of reality show that the public get to decide when are where to allocate funds to.
Who paid for these?
Us the taxpayers who democratically voted them in with the powers to do just this type of thing. That's democracy for you.
Spot on. The number of times (working in the public sector myself) I hear things like this and it always irks. Another one is the notion of the 'Tax Payer', as if it's some type of reality show that the public get to decide when are where to allocate funds to.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 3, 2016 18:32:31 GMT 1,
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 18:41:07 GMT 1, One could also have a pro EU avatar. With a pro EU signature that links to a pro EU site.
Or a Brexit avatar just to be fair.
One could also have a pro EU avatar. With a pro EU signature that links to a pro EU site.
Or a Brexit avatar just to be fair.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 18:46:37 GMT 1, Pound to fall steeply if we vote to leave the EU.
"The consensus on trading floors seem to be towards 1.15 Euros to the Pound if we leave, and up to 1.35 if we remain".
Pound to fall steeply if we vote to leave the EU.
"The consensus on trading floors seem to be towards 1.15 Euros to the Pound if we leave, and up to 1.35 if we remain".
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 3, 2016 19:55:27 GMT 1, Did anyone pay for the leave banner? I pay for the leave banner, and if you want a remain banner your also very welcome to do the same.
I appreciate that this is your site to do with as you please. But I remain of the view that the leave banner advert is wrong and inappropriate. It gives the impression to visitors that leave is the view of the site, when blatantly it isn't. I also feel that it is provocative to a large number of regular contributors to the site. I believe that it should be removed or there should be a remain banner too (that neither are paid for). I know that this is unlikely to move you to alter it. So I'll leave it there. I've made my point.
Did anyone pay for the leave banner? I pay for the leave banner, and if you want a remain banner your also very welcome to do the same. I appreciate that this is your site to do with as you please. But I remain of the view that the leave banner advert is wrong and inappropriate. It gives the impression to visitors that leave is the view of the site, when blatantly it isn't. I also feel that it is provocative to a large number of regular contributors to the site. I believe that it should be removed or there should be a remain banner too (that neither are paid for). I know that this is unlikely to move you to alter it. So I'll leave it there. I've made my point.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 3, 2016 20:06:26 GMT 1, Pound to fall steeply if we vote to leave the EU."The consensus on trading floors seem to be towards 1.15 Euros to the Pound if we leave, and up to 1.35 if we remain".
I believe these figures to be 100% credible and as a business owner of a company that exports ยฃ3 to ยฃ4m pounds of its output PA to Europe (40% of my output) it's a concern that the ยฃGBP will strengthen with a vote to stay in. I could have a short term few and vote out to see my exports to Europe grow providing trading relationships can be maintained. Export versus import is the balancing act I play everyday of life and yet I still will vote stay in. The long term opportunities as a GB company as part of the EU are far greater.
Pound to fall steeply if we vote to leave the EU."The consensus on trading floors seem to be towards 1.15 Euros to the Pound if we leave, and up to 1.35 if we remain". I believe these figures to be 100% credible and as a business owner of a company that exports ยฃ3 to ยฃ4m pounds of its output PA to Europe (40% of my output) it's a concern that the ยฃGBP will strengthen with a vote to stay in. I could have a short term few and vote out to see my exports to Europe grow providing trading relationships can be maintained. Export versus import is the balancing act I play everyday of life and yet I still will vote stay in. The long term opportunities as a GB company as part of the EU are far greater.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 3, 2016 20:31:05 GMT 1, I pay for the leave banner, and if you want a remain banner your also very welcome to do the same. I appreciate that this is your site to do with as you please. But I remain of the view that the leave banner advert is wrong and inappropriate. It gives the impression to visitors that leave is the view of the site, when blatantly it isn't. I also feel that it is provocative to a large number of regular contributors to the site. I believe that it should be removed or there should be a remain banner too (that neither are paid for). I know that this is unlikely to move you to alter it. So I'll leave it there. I've made my point. Leave isn't the view of "the site" as the site doesn't have a view on anything. You have a view, I have a view and everyone else has a view, the site is just a platform provided by me giving you the free space to express your own individual opinion.
I pay for the leave banner, and if you want a remain banner your also very welcome to do the same. I appreciate that this is your site to do with as you please. But I remain of the view that the leave banner advert is wrong and inappropriate. It gives the impression to visitors that leave is the view of the site, when blatantly it isn't. I also feel that it is provocative to a large number of regular contributors to the site. I believe that it should be removed or there should be a remain banner too (that neither are paid for). I know that this is unlikely to move you to alter it. So I'll leave it there. I've made my point. Leave isn't the view of "the site" as the site doesn't have a view on anything. You have a view, I have a view and everyone else has a view, the site is just a platform provided by me giving you the free space to express your own individual opinion.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 20:37:39 GMT 1, I cant see this banner thats being discussed
I wonder why that is?
i can see an underdogs gallery, whats that for? should i click it?
I cant see this banner thats being discussed
I wonder why that is?
i can see an underdogs gallery, whats that for? should i click it?
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 23:05:35 GMT 1, Michael Gove on the Sky news debate tonite was far from impressive. He said a lot but gave no facts. Stuff like if we leave the EU it will be easier to get a job and buy a house. Plus regarding people in the UK losing jobs if we leave said 73 MEPs would lose their jobs, as if it was some sort of sacrifice. Plus too many we coulds from Gove. We could spend the money on the NHS if UK leaves Europe. We could do this and we could do that. Or there again when the time comes they could say they never promised anything.
Highly paid MEPs get a golden handshake of 2 years salary and a pension.
Who would want to be in their shoes.
www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/seven-former-meps-to-share-500000-golden-handshakes-30323690.html
Michael Gove on the Sky news debate tonite was far from impressive. He said a lot but gave no facts. Stuff like if we leave the EU it will be easier to get a job and buy a house. Plus regarding people in the UK losing jobs if we leave said 73 MEPs would lose their jobs, as if it was some sort of sacrifice. Plus too many we coulds from Gove. We could spend the money on the NHS if UK leaves Europe. We could do this and we could do that. Or there again when the time comes they could say they never promised anything. Highly paid MEPs get a golden handshake of 2 years salary and a pension. Who would want to be in their shoes. www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/seven-former-meps-to-share-500000-golden-handshakes-30323690.html
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by alexdb on Jun 4, 2016 0:43:58 GMT 1, Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner
Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Matt on Jun 4, 2016 8:16:52 GMT 1, Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner
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Banter is all fine, but political propaganda on an art forum, whatever the message, seriously devalues this place,
What next in the banners ? "Vote trump ?" "p***s enlargement" ? "Investment secrets" ?
Seriously taints the place...
Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner +1 Banter is all fine, but political propaganda on an art forum, whatever the message, seriously devalues this place, What next in the banners ? "Vote trump ?" "p***s enlargement" ? "Investment secrets" ? Seriously taints the place...
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 11:02:50 GMT 1, I never even noticed the banner till people mentioned it. Plus the banner won't influence anyones decision. People have made up their minds anyway. In or out the low waged workers and self eรนmployed get a raw deal. Gove spoke about being anti elitist. What a t**t. If people fall for that they must be naive.
Farage is pouting on a fishing boat as if Britain leaving would mean Spain gives the UK back it's cod.
Even if the UK left the EU. The French electricity and water companies will still be operating in the UK. VAT will not go down. When has any government ever lowered VAT?
UK's borders will still be porous and the UK not being in schengen has not stopped illegal immigrants getting into UK and won't stop them if UK leaves.
What Britain needs is a change of government.
I never even noticed the banner till people mentioned it. Plus the banner won't influence anyones decision. People have made up their minds anyway. In or out the low waged workers and self eรนmployed get a raw deal. Gove spoke about being anti elitist. What a t**t. If people fall for that they must be naive.
Farage is pouting on a fishing boat as if Britain leaving would mean Spain gives the UK back it's cod.
Even if the UK left the EU. The French electricity and water companies will still be operating in the UK. VAT will not go down. When has any government ever lowered VAT?
UK's borders will still be porous and the UK not being in schengen has not stopped illegal immigrants getting into UK and won't stop them if UK leaves.
What Britain needs is a change of government.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2016 12:03:00 GMT 1, Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner
Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2016 12:03:31 GMT 1,
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by alexdb on Jun 4, 2016 18:37:04 GMT 1, Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner I am sorry, but you are a real joke with this silly argument.
Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner I am sorry, but you are a real joke with this silly argument.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 19:03:08 GMT 1, I'm trying to think of one good reason for staying in the EU and one good reason for leaving the EU.
I'm trying to think of one good reason for staying in the EU and one good reason for leaving the EU.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 4, 2016 19:11:52 GMT 1, I'm trying to think of one good reason for staying in the EU and one good reason for leaving the EU.
You know you typed that, and didn't just think it? ;-)
I'm trying to think of one good reason for staying in the EU and one good reason for leaving the EU. You know you typed that, and didn't just think it? ;-)
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2016 20:11:32 GMT 1, Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner "VOTE - Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union?"
Why don't you try posting your opinion on the actual subject of the thread?
Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner "VOTE - Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union?" Why don't you try posting your opinion on the actual subject of the thread?
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by alexdb on Jun 4, 2016 20:33:07 GMT 1, Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner "VOTE - Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union?" Why don't you try posting your opinion on the actual subject of the thread? Again a weak argument. I simply suggest you to put off the banner.
My opinion is that an art forum should not be sponsored by any politcial movement. I am not sure what my opinion for a vote makes any relevance since I am not entitled to vote anyway.
But I will end this discussion now, since you wont listen to people anyway. That is my personal feeling and I am just speaking of myself. Its not a personal thing, you may ban me, but I am just not feeliing comfortable with this direction.
Silk you are talking nonsens. Probably one third one here isnt from uk. That banner is rubbish and shouldnt be on a art forum. We talk about art and probably some off topic things, but an art forum is not sponsored by any political movement. Not any, so not a 'leave' nor 'remain'. I suggest you remove that banner "VOTE - Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union?" Why don't you try posting your opinion on the actual subject of the thread? Again a weak argument. I simply suggest you to put off the banner. My opinion is that an art forum should not be sponsored by any politcial movement. I am not sure what my opinion for a vote makes any relevance since I am not entitled to vote anyway. But I will end this discussion now, since you wont listen to people anyway. That is my personal feeling and I am just speaking of myself. Its not a personal thing, you may ban me, but I am just not feeliing comfortable with this direction.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 20:40:11 GMT 1, Hands up if you work for or are funded in any way by the EU. Hands up if you are not.
Hands up if you work for or are funded in any way by the EU. Hands up if you are not.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 21:22:26 GMT 1,
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 13:13:01 GMT 1, I doubt UK will vote to leave the EU.
but there are many problems all caused by the EU hierarchy.
So if the UK stays in. There should be a concerted effort for a clean sweep and kick out all the corrupt EU hierarchy and people and politicians.
Which there won't be because politics is corrupt anyway.
I doubt UK will vote to leave the EU. but there are many problems all caused by the EU hierarchy. So if the UK stays in. There should be a concerted effort for a clean sweep and kick out all the corrupt EU hierarchy and people and politicians. Which there won't be because politics is corrupt anyway.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 14:59:06 GMT 1, Never EVER thought I'd see the day when I'd applaud former Prime Minister John Major, but his honest, frank and withering assessment of Vote Leave - calling their campaign deceitful, untrue, depressing, awful and โverging on the squalidโ - was outstanding.
And not only did he criticise the leave campaignโs squalid shift to the right on immigration, he also laid into claims that they would protect the NHS, saying the NHS would be "as safe as a pet hamster in the presence of a hungry python if Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Iain Duncan Smith rose to power following Brexit", further pointing out that previously "Gove had wanted to privatise the NHS, Johnson wished to charge people for health services, and Duncan Smith advocated moving to a social insurance system".
Turning to Vote Leaveโs claims about the economy, Major said they were โfundamentally dishonestโ about the cost of the EU being ยฃ350m a week.
โAnd on the subject that they have veered towards, having lost the economic argument, of immigration, I think their campaign is verging on the squalid,โ he said.
โI am angry at the way the British people are being misled, this is much more important than a general election, this is going to affect people, their livelihoods, their future, for a very long time to come and if they are given honest, straightforward facts and they decide to leave, then that is the decision the British people take.
โBut if they decide to leave on the basis of inaccurate information, inaccurate information known to be inaccurate, then I regard that as deceitful.โ
Never EVER thought I'd see the day when I'd applaud former Prime Minister John Major, but his honest, frank and withering assessment of Vote Leave - calling their campaign deceitful, untrue, depressing, awful and โverging on the squalidโ - was outstanding.
And not only did he criticise the leave campaignโs squalid shift to the right on immigration, he also laid into claims that they would protect the NHS, saying the NHS would be "as safe as a pet hamster in the presence of a hungry python if Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Iain Duncan Smith rose to power following Brexit", further pointing out that previously "Gove had wanted to privatise the NHS, Johnson wished to charge people for health services, and Duncan Smith advocated moving to a social insurance system".
Turning to Vote Leaveโs claims about the economy, Major said they were โfundamentally dishonestโ about the cost of the EU being ยฃ350m a week.
โAnd on the subject that they have veered towards, having lost the economic argument, of immigration, I think their campaign is verging on the squalid,โ he said.
โI am angry at the way the British people are being misled, this is much more important than a general election, this is going to affect people, their livelihoods, their future, for a very long time to come and if they are given honest, straightforward facts and they decide to leave, then that is the decision the British people take.
โBut if they decide to leave on the basis of inaccurate information, inaccurate information known to be inaccurate, then I regard that as deceitful.โ
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 15:13:12 GMT 1, Can you explain how numbers will be reduced? And how it will be managed? Also, do you not think that if the UK is the intended destination of so many migrants European countries would just give them free passage? Wouldn't they just let them through as it would save them the hassle? If the UK is not prepared to face its responsibilities and just leave an organisation that has a huge problem, how do you think we will be viewed and then treated? Yes, the issue of migration is problematic, but its problematic for lots of countries, not just the UK. Running away won't help us, or the EU; and it won't go away by us doing so. And as Harveyn touched on earlier, the ROI is still in Europe, so what's to stop migrants just walking across the border into Northern Ireland? For some bizarre reason, those who want the UK to leave seem to think that those that are championing it are the great saviours of the country. Strange times indeed. There is no set format. That actually is the point. Migration will be decided by whatever Government is in power. This may well change depending on each party or Government. If you use sometning like the often quoted Aussie system you take a figure say 100,000. 10,000 are nurses, 10,000 are doctors , 5000 engineers 2000 family members etcetc. So you choose immigrants to suit the needs of the country. e.g. if you do not have a prospective employer it is more difficult. e.g. you take in professionals rather than those looking for poorly paid work or benefits. You then man your borders more strictly. if you are found without status you are deported or sent back at the border. seems simple enough to me. Numbers are decided and managed by whatever Gov is in power not via the mad freedom of movement concept.
Can you explain how numbers will be reduced? And how it will be managed? Also, do you not think that if the UK is the intended destination of so many migrants European countries would just give them free passage? Wouldn't they just let them through as it would save them the hassle? If the UK is not prepared to face its responsibilities and just leave an organisation that has a huge problem, how do you think we will be viewed and then treated? Yes, the issue of migration is problematic, but its problematic for lots of countries, not just the UK. Running away won't help us, or the EU; and it won't go away by us doing so. And as Harveyn touched on earlier, the ROI is still in Europe, so what's to stop migrants just walking across the border into Northern Ireland? For some bizarre reason, those who want the UK to leave seem to think that those that are championing it are the great saviours of the country. Strange times indeed. There is no set format. That actually is the point. Migration will be decided by whatever Government is in power. This may well change depending on each party or Government. If you use sometning like the often quoted Aussie system you take a figure say 100,000. 10,000 are nurses, 10,000 are doctors , 5000 engineers 2000 family members etcetc. So you choose immigrants to suit the needs of the country. e.g. if you do not have a prospective employer it is more difficult. e.g. you take in professionals rather than those looking for poorly paid work or benefits. You then man your borders more strictly. if you are found without status you are deported or sent back at the border. seems simple enough to me. Numbers are decided and managed by whatever Gov is in power not via the mad freedom of movement concept.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 7, 2016 19:19:40 GMT 1, Maybe all the in campaigners should use this as their avatar until the big day to counter the Vote Leave sponsorship......
Maybe all the in campaigners should use this as their avatar until the big day to counter the Vote Leave sponsorship......
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 7, 2016 19:24:51 GMT 1, Maybe all the in campaigners should use this as their avatar until the big day to counter the Vote Leave sponsorship......
Good idea. I would. But my IT skills are so bad that I fear I will never be able to get the picture of my lad holding a spray can (from 8 years ago) back again.
Maybe all the in campaigners should use this as their avatar until the big day to counter the Vote Leave sponsorship...... Good idea. I would. But my IT skills are so bad that I fear I will never be able to get the picture of my lad holding a spray can (from 8 years ago) back again.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 7, 2016 19:28:17 GMT 1, The dangerous thing is that numpty Farage quoted figures on radio 2 today that actually sounded convincing. Man do I not like him.
The dangerous thing is that numpty Farage quoted figures on radio 2 today that actually sounded convincing. Man do I not like him.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by offthehookbooks on Jun 7, 2016 20:58:05 GMT 1, There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:
You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.
You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.
You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.
You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).
You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.
You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).
The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave.
Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.
Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.
You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.
You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.
You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms!
What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:
You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.
You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.
You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.
You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).
You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.
You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).
The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave.
Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.
Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.
You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.
You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.
You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms!
What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future
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