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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 21:26:55 GMT 1, There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some: You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason. You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change. You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today. You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on). You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime. You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact). The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave. Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses. Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there. You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels. You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement. You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some: You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason. You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change. You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today. You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on). You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime. You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact). The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave. Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses. Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there. You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels. You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement. You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future And we'll all sit round and lace daisy's into each others hair, love one another, and go skipping off into the eternal golden glow of our never ending summers. Hooray! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 7, 2016 21:27:44 GMT 1, There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some: You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason. You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change. You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today. You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on). You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime. You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact). The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave. Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses. Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there. You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels. You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement. You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future
Hi. Can you please tell me the source of this?
Thanks.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some: You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason. You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change. You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today. You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on). You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime. You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact). The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave. Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses. Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there. You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels. You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement. You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future Hi. Can you please tell me the source of this? Thanks. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Jun 7, 2016 21:30:24 GMT 1, There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some: You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason. You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change. You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today. You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on). You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime. You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact). The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave. Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses. Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there. You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels. You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement. You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future Hi. Can you please tell me the source of this? Thanks.
Exactly what I was thinking.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some: You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason. You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change. You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today. You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on). You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime. You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact). The UK economy will benefit to the tune of ยฃbillions in the first year after we leave. Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses. Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there. You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels. You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement. You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of ยฃ80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future Hi. Can you please tell me the source of this? Thanks. Exactly what I was thinking. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Matt on Jun 7, 2016 21:40:45 GMT 1, offthehookbooks a portion of what you present as facts are possibilities but not certainties.
For example :
Stating that Britain leaves the EU but stays in the EEA is a merely a possible scenario (and not a very plausible one, to the extent that neither side is really putting it forward)
EEA is a treaty between the 28 EU member states and 3 of the 4 EFTA States (Swiss are out, they have a series of bilateral agreements)
Brexit is leaving the EU as defined by the Lisbon treaty.
If UK leaves the EU, it COULD apply to join EFTA to be eligible for EEA, but that means getting consent of EVERY EU member (right after telling them to f**k off).
IF for some weird reason this happened, then Britian it will be expected to apply the 4 principles of free trade, and contribute financially, all of which will have to be negotiated...does this remind you of anything ?
As for the billions of GBP you quote, it would be too long to explain but as has been said in a best case scenario there is as much chance of money exiting the UK than money not be being spent on EU, so don't believe those who are telling you of all this money you will be sitting on...
offthehookbooks a portion of what you present as facts are possibilities but not certainties. For example : Stating that Britain leaves the EU but stays in the EEA is a merely a possible scenario (and not a very plausible one, to the extent that neither side is really putting it forward) EEA is a treaty between the 28 EU member states and 3 of the 4 EFTA States (Swiss are out, they have a series of bilateral agreements) Brexit is leaving the EU as defined by the Lisbon treaty. If UK leaves the EU, it COULD apply to join EFTA to be eligible for EEA, but that means getting consent of EVERY EU member (right after telling them to f**k off). IF for some weird reason this happened, then Britian it will be expected to apply the 4 principles of free trade, and contribute financially, all of which will have to be negotiated...does this remind you of anything ? As for the billions of GBP you quote, it would be too long to explain but as has been said in a best case scenario there is as much chance of money exiting the UK than money not be being spent on EU, so don't believe those who are telling you of all this money you will be sitting on...
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Eton Groover on Jun 7, 2016 21:55:30 GMT 1, But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament.
Shove that in your pipe Boris
But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament.
Shove that in your pipe Boris
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 7, 2016 22:18:18 GMT 1, But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris
Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it?
But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Jun 7, 2016 22:38:32 GMT 1, But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it?
But this is what happen when you are part of an institution like the E.U., you trust the government that you have elected (or not elected) to take the right decision regarding EU governing bodies. Am pretty sure the UK had their say when electing those prรฉsident.
But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? But this is what happen when you are part of an institution like the E.U., you trust the government that you have elected (or not elected) to take the right decision regarding EU governing bodies. Am pretty sure the UK had their say when electing those prรฉsident. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 7, 2016 22:48:25 GMT 1, But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it?
We vote for MEP's.
But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? We vote for MEP's. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 7, 2016 22:51:37 GMT 1, Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? We vote for MEP's.
Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? We vote for MEP's. So if you don't like one of the Presidents of the EU, will you voting for a different MEP make a difference? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Jun 7, 2016 23:04:00 GMT 1, You'll wait for the next รฉlection for your MEPs to elect a diffรฉrent prรฉsident as you do with the PM. It is hard enough to elect a government that please everyone, so a lot harder on the scale of Europe.
You'll wait for the next รฉlection for your MEPs to elect a diffรฉrent prรฉsident as you do with the PM. It is hard enough to elect a government that please everyone, so a lot harder on the scale of Europe.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 7, 2016 23:14:46 GMT 1, So if you don't like one of the Presidents of the EU, will you voting for a different MEP make a difference?
Did you get to decide who should be the chancellor of the exchequer, or the lord chancellor, or any member of the cabinet? No, it's left to the government of the day. Same.
So if you don't like one of the Presidents of the EU, will you voting for a different MEP make a difference? Did you get to decide who should be the chancellor of the exchequer, or the lord chancellor, or any member of the cabinet? No, it's left to the government of the day. Same. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 12:55:56 GMT 1, So if you don't like one of the Presidents of the EU, will you voting for a different MEP make a difference? Did you get to decide who should be the chancellor of the exchequer, or the lord chancellor, or any member of the cabinet? No, it's left to the government of the day. Same.
Come election time you vote for a party and you basically know what your gonna get, but the UK MEP's even if they all worked together, have virtually no say on the direction of the EU.
Its a bit like the Eurovision Song Contest  did you see the winner this year? It was by far the worst song. They keep trying to change how the voting works, coz everyone knows it wrong, but it's impossible.
So if you don't like one of the Presidents of the EU, will you voting for a different MEP make a difference? Did you get to decide who should be the chancellor of the exchequer, or the lord chancellor, or any member of the cabinet? No, it's left to the government of the day. Same. Come election time you vote for a party and you basically know what your gonna get, but the UK MEP's even if they all worked together, have virtually no say on the direction of the EU. Its a bit like the Eurovision Song Contest did you see the winner this year? It was by far the worst song. They keep trying to change how the voting works, coz everyone knows it wrong, but it's impossible. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Jun 8, 2016 13:10:58 GMT 1, So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest?
So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest?
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by .dappy on Jun 8, 2016 13:34:34 GMT 1, But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it?
... did you ever see a voting form with David Cameroon, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, John Major or Margaret Thatcher's name on it for Prime Minister? ...
... another silly arguement from Leave Britain? 
But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? ... did you ever see a voting form with David Cameroon, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, John Major or Margaret Thatcher's name on it for Prime Minister? ... ... another silly arguement from Leave Britain? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 13:36:24 GMT 1, So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest?
I think they plan a referendum on it but Scotland want to remain of course.
So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest? I think they plan a referendum on it but Scotland want to remain of course. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 13:38:27 GMT 1, Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? ... did you ever see a voting form with David Cameroon, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, John Major or Margaret Thatcher's name on it for Prime Minister? ... ... another silly arguement from Leave Britain?
When you voted for a party you knew who the leader was and their views.
Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? ... did you ever see a voting form with David Cameroon, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, John Major or Margaret Thatcher's name on it for Prime Minister? ... ... another silly arguement from Leave Britain? When you voted for a party you knew who the leader was and their views. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by .dappy on Jun 8, 2016 13:40:47 GMT 1, ... and the arguement falls over again - John Major? and a number of other PMs over the years ...
... and the arguement falls over again - John Major? and a number of other PMs over the years ...
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 14:06:39 GMT 1, Time will tell
Looks like the vote could go either way, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. As I said before I expect it to be Remain.
Time will tell Looks like the vote could go either way, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. As I said before I expect it to be Remain. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 14:26:32 GMT 1, Time will tell Looks like the vote could go either way, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. As I said before I expect it to be Remain.
Either way, things aren't going to die down after this; it'll be fun and games for some time to come.
Time will tell Looks like the vote could go either way, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. As I said before I expect it to be Remain. Conversely - and for someone with opposite views to yours - I think it'll be 'out'. Either way, things aren't going to die down after this; it'll be fun and games for some time to come. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 14:34:07 GMT 1, Time will tell Looks like the vote could go either way, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. As I said before I expect it to be Remain. Conversely - and for someone with opposite views to yours - I think it'll be 'out'. Either way, things aren't going to die down after this; it'll be fun and games for some time to come.
Yeah the sad part of it is that whatever happens about half the country will be blaming the other half of the country for any future economic or migration problems.
Time will tell Looks like the vote could go either way, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. As I said before I expect it to be Remain. Conversely - and for someone with opposite views to yours - I think it'll be 'out'. Either way, things aren't going to die down after this; it'll be fun and games for some time to come. Yeah the sad part of it is that whatever happens about half the country will be blaming the other half of the country for any future economic or migration problems. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Fะฏ on Jun 8, 2016 14:43:17 GMT 1, People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference.
any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway
just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say.
People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference.
any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway
just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Jun 8, 2016 14:44:50 GMT 1, Conversely - and for someone with opposite views to yours - I think it'll be 'out'. Either way, things aren't going to die down after this; it'll be fun and games for some time to come. Yeah the sad part of it is that whatever happens about half the country will be blaming the other half of the country for any future economic or migration problems.ย
Isn't this what happen in politics all the time anyway?
Conversely - and for someone with opposite views to yours - I think it'll be 'out'. Either way, things aren't going to die down after this; it'll be fun and games for some time to come. Yeah the sad part of it is that whatever happens about half the country will be blaming the other half of the country for any future economic or migration problems.ย Isn't this what happen in politics all the time anyway? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Jun 8, 2016 14:46:37 GMT 1, Speaking frankly now...
If the UK votes to leave I will be extremely annoyed with Cameron for putting us in a position where a nation, with virtually no knowledge or education on the subject, has decided the future of our country based on biased marketing campaigns and tacky media headlines. It's such an irresponsible thing to do without properly educating the people before they have to vote.
Speaking frankly now...
If the UK votes to leave I will be extremely annoyed with Cameron for putting us in a position where a nation, with virtually no knowledge or education on the subject, has decided the future of our country based on biased marketing campaigns and tacky media headlines. It's such an irresponsible thing to do without properly educating the people before they have to vote.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 14:53:11 GMT 1, But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it?
Juncker is an alcoholic and alledgedly corrupt and not fit for office.
For an organisation the size of the EU. The standards should be much higher. In reality the EU is a gravy train for failed and corrupt politicians.
Lagarde now head of the IMF could be facing a year in jail too.
Even Merkel has been threatening to abandon the Euro and reinstate the Deutchemark not too long ago as a form of political blackmail.
But the irony of this country (and where the whole "leave the EU to protect democracy" campaign falls down) is that the majority of the people in this country are already governed and live under the decisions of a government they did not vote for. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we live with their decisions on a daily basis. In which case the majority of people may as well live under the rule of an unelected EU Parliament. Shove that in your pipe Boris Did you ever see a voting form with these names on it? Juncker is an alcoholic and alledgedly corrupt and not fit for office. For an organisation the size of the EU. The standards should be much higher. In reality the EU is a gravy train for failed and corrupt politicians. Lagarde now head of the IMF could be facing a year in jail too. Even Merkel has been threatening to abandon the Euro and reinstate the Deutchemark not too long ago as a form of political blackmail. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 15:21:09 GMT 1, Speaking frankly now... If the UK votes to leave I will be extremely annoyed with Cameron for putting us in a position where a nation, with virtually no knowledge or education on the subject, has decided the future of our country based on biased marketing campaigns and tacky media headlines. It's such an irresponsible thing to do without properly educating the people before they have to vote.
Farage and Ed Milliband had the same anti migrant policies to some extent.
UKIP has been funded by certain very wealthy business people with an agenda.
Cameron caved because of the ongoing publicity given to UKIP by one or two media barons and funders plus to prevent a split in the Tory party.
At the end of the day all these players from both sides have made a fortune for themselves from the public funds donations and connections.
They are all wealthy enough for it not to affect them. Plus to them politics is a business. It's not about serving the people but serving their cronies and themselves.
Speaking frankly now... If the UK votes to leave I will be extremely annoyed with Cameron for putting us in a position where a nation, with virtually no knowledge or education on the subject, has decided the future of our country based on biased marketing campaigns and tacky media headlines. It's such an irresponsible thing to do without properly educating the people before they have to vote. The way I see it is that UKIP is just a distraction to channel peoples anger, who are against mass immigration. Farage and Ed Milliband had the same anti migrant policies to some extent. UKIP has been funded by certain very wealthy business people with an agenda. Cameron caved because of the ongoing publicity given to UKIP by one or two media barons and funders plus to prevent a split in the Tory party. At the end of the day all these players from both sides have made a fortune for themselves from the public funds donations and connections. They are all wealthy enough for it not to affect them. Plus to them politics is a business. It's not about serving the people but serving their cronies and themselves. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by stillborncrisps on Jun 8, 2016 15:24:36 GMT 1, People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say.
The Illusion of Choice.
People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say. The Illusion of Choice. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 15:26:19 GMT 1,
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Fะฏ on Jun 8, 2016 15:34:39 GMT 1, People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say. The Illusion of Choice.
There is no way the government would let the people in this country have such an important vote if they were not sure they would get their way anyway.
half the people in this country cannot even tie their shoe laces let alone decide the future of a country.
People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say. The Illusion of Choice. There is no way the government would let the people in this country have such an important vote if they were not sure they would get their way anyway. half the people in this country cannot even tie their shoe laces let alone decide the future of a country. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by sameoldthing on Jun 8, 2016 16:13:06 GMT 1, Sorry for jumping in on this thread. It may have been mentioned. I've been reading a bit about
TTIP. Stick it in your search engine. Really makes you think
a bit more about things. Again sorry if this has been mentioned as to lazy to read through the thread. Thanks
Sorry for jumping in on this thread. It may have been mentioned. I've been reading a bit about
TTIP. Stick it in your search engine. Really makes you think
a bit more about things. Again sorry if this has been mentioned as to lazy to read through the thread. Thanks
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by streetartger on Jun 8, 2016 16:42:24 GMT 1, First of all - Iโm German and if you think that I have no right for an opinion in YOUR "IN/OUT" vote then stop reading here.
I do myself think it is important to hear also the arguments from someone on the continent and until the 23rd we are all in the same boat and I hope it stays this way. For so many decades we have lived in peace in Europe and why? Because we believe in the same rights, virtues and the 2 great wars have bound us together to never let that happen again. My grandfather went to war against you guys and I have asked myself a couple of times what would I do if my country would declare war on France, England or another country. I would simply not follow because I believe we have to stick together to keep that peace here in Europe + I love the UK and the people. It is like a marriage in the end - sometimes you have good times, sometimes you have bad times but you stick together no matter what. All the fuss about the moneyโฆ for sure the EU burns a lot of money and also I think they should be more careful with the taxes they receive. But I rather have money burnt than whole countries. In the whole discussion it is mostly about economics but keep in mind, when you vote out others might follow and this whole thing might collapse on our heads and the radicals will become stronger and stronger.
Your In/out vote does not only effect youโฆ it effects our whole union, every citizen in the EU. So think about it when you make your mark.
These are just my thoughts to this topic. I hope you stay.
First of all - Iโm German and if you think that I have no right for an opinion in YOUR "IN/OUT" vote then stop reading here.
I do myself think it is important to hear also the arguments from someone on the continent and until the 23rd we are all in the same boat and I hope it stays this way. For so many decades we have lived in peace in Europe and why? Because we believe in the same rights, virtues and the 2 great wars have bound us together to never let that happen again. My grandfather went to war against you guys and I have asked myself a couple of times what would I do if my country would declare war on France, England or another country. I would simply not follow because I believe we have to stick together to keep that peace here in Europe + I love the UK and the people. It is like a marriage in the end - sometimes you have good times, sometimes you have bad times but you stick together no matter what. All the fuss about the moneyโฆ for sure the EU burns a lot of money and also I think they should be more careful with the taxes they receive. But I rather have money burnt than whole countries. In the whole discussion it is mostly about economics but keep in mind, when you vote out others might follow and this whole thing might collapse on our heads and the radicals will become stronger and stronger.
Your In/out vote does not only effect youโฆ it effects our whole union, every citizen in the EU. So think about it when you make your mark.
These are just my thoughts to this topic. I hope you stay.
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did you see the winner this year? It was by far the worst song. They keep trying to change how the voting works, coz everyone knows it wrong, but it's impossible. 
