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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 8, 2016 18:53:19 GMT 1, People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say.
Whilst technically mp's do have to pass legislation to put a successful exit result in to law, I can't see this happening.
Of course I don't know for sure (I don't tend to state my opinions as fact like you FR).
I think it would be political suicide for any party to block the wishes of the people in a referendum.
People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say. Whilst technically mp's do have to pass legislation to put a successful exit result in to law, I can't see this happening. Of course I don't know for sure (I don't tend to state my opinions as fact like you FR). I think it would be political suicide for any party to block the wishes of the people in a referendum. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 8, 2016 18:55:38 GMT 1,
I heard that some exit mp's were accusing the government of gerrymandering, suggesting that the government were trying to ensure as many stay voters registered as possible. How silly. They are voters for goodness sake. And the site crashed last night before the deadline for registering.
I heard that some exit mp's were accusing the government of gerrymandering, suggesting that the government were trying to ensure as many stay voters registered as possible. How silly. They are voters for goodness sake. And the site crashed last night before the deadline for registering. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by FЯ on Jun 8, 2016 18:55:47 GMT 1, People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say. Whilst technically mp's do have to pass legislation to put a successful exit result in to law, I can't see this happening. Of course I don't know for sure (I don't tend to state my opinions as fact like you FR). I think it would be political suicide for any party to block the wishes of the people in a referendum.
it is a fact... no need for the dig in brackets coach, you are better than that.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/677446/Pro-EU-MPs-defy-Brexit-referendum-single-market-politics
People are kidding themselves anyway if they think voting will make any difference. any result still has to be approved by the house of commons and they would 100% block leaving anyway just giving the monkeys a feeling that they are having some say. Whilst technically mp's do have to pass legislation to put a successful exit result in to law, I can't see this happening. Of course I don't know for sure (I don't tend to state my opinions as fact like you FR). I think it would be political suicide for any party to block the wishes of the people in a referendum. it is a fact... no need for the dig in brackets coach, you are better than that. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120www.express.co.uk/news/uk/677446/Pro-EU-MPs-defy-Brexit-referendum-single-market-politics |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 8, 2016 19:12:14 GMT 1,
I think you and I have different understanding of the word "fact".
As I said in my post, technically it could happen. Mp's have to pass the law to bring the result of the referendum in to force. But, I said, I don't think it will happen.
You have said again that your original statement is a fact - namely that mp's will 100% vote to stay if the vote is to leave.
The two articles that you quote say nothing more than there is a chance/that it's being considered.
So not a fact that they 100% definitely will do so.
I still think that it would be political suicide, and do won't be done.
I think you and I have different understanding of the word "fact". As I said in my post, technically it could happen. Mp's have to pass the law to bring the result of the referendum in to force. But, I said, I don't think it will happen. You have said again that your original statement is a fact - namely that mp's will 100% vote to stay if the vote is to leave. The two articles that you quote say nothing more than there is a chance/that it's being considered. So not a fact that they 100% definitely will do so. I still think that it would be political suicide, and do won't be done. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by FЯ on Jun 8, 2016 19:15:37 GMT 1, I think you and I have different understanding of the word "fact". As I said in my post, technically it could happen. Mp's have to pass the law to bring the result of the referendum in to force. But, I said, I don't think it will happen. You have said again that your original statement is a fact - namely that mp's will 100% vote to stay if the vote is to leave. The two articles that you quote say nothing more than there is a chance/that it's being considered. So not a fact that they 100% definitely will do so. I still think that it would be political suicide, and do won't be done.
thats a fact.
I think you and I have different understanding of the word "fact". As I said in my post, technically it could happen. Mp's have to pass the law to bring the result of the referendum in to force. But, I said, I don't think it will happen. You have said again that your original statement is a fact - namely that mp's will 100% vote to stay if the vote is to leave. The two articles that you quote say nothing more than there is a chance/that it's being considered. So not a fact that they 100% definitely will do so. I still think that it would be political suicide, and do won't be done. not leaving the eu anyway, so this whole thread is a little gassy! thats a fact. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Cornish Crayon on Jun 8, 2016 19:18:19 GMT 1, I predict a riot, i predict a riot........
I predict a riot, i predict a riot........
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 19:20:42 GMT 1, I predict a riot, i predict a riot........
I predict a riot, i predict a riot........ |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 19:27:28 GMT 1, So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest?
So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Jun 8, 2016 19:33:59 GMT 1, So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest?
That's it, i'm moving to Sweden!!!
So should the UK leave the Eurovision song contest? That's it, i'm moving to Sweden!!! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 8, 2016 20:00:14 GMT 1, That's it, i'm moving to Sweden!!! 
That's it, i'm moving to Sweden!!! The new president of the EU should be chosen in a live TV karaoke contest |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Jun 8, 2016 20:25:30 GMT 1, That's it, i'm moving to Sweden!!! The new president of the EU should be chosen in a live TV karaoke contest
I would say Boris Johnson would be a very good candidate! Another good reason not to leave!
That's it, i'm moving to Sweden!!! The new president of the EU should be chosen in a live TV karaoke contest I would say Boris Johnson would be a very good candidate! Another good reason not to leave! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:44:30 GMT 1, Bo Jo, certainly don't hang around.
Bo Jo, certainly don't hang around.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 8, 2016 23:10:13 GMT 1, The remain party didn't do themselves any favours by planting that young lady in the audience that claimed the leave party were racist against black people. Her claim made no sense to me and I suspect nor to others either?
The remain party didn't do themselves any favours by planting that young lady in the audience that claimed the leave party were racist against black people. Her claim made no sense to me and I suspect nor to others either?
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Jun 8, 2016 23:37:29 GMT 1, The remain party didn't do themselves any favours by planting that young lady in the audience that claimed the leave party were racist against black people. Her claim made no sense to me and I suspect nor to others either?
I saw her point...
Pretty clear ukip has been a racist party and had to tone down their words in the past. If I was in her shoes I would be feeling pretty uncomfortable too that these far right groups are somehow gaining traction despite us not living in medieval times.
The remain party didn't do themselves any favours by planting that young lady in the audience that claimed the leave party were racist against black people. Her claim made no sense to me and I suspect nor to others either? I saw her point... Pretty clear ukip has been a racist party and had to tone down their words in the past. If I was in her shoes I would be feeling pretty uncomfortable too that these far right groups are somehow gaining traction despite us not living in medieval times. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 9, 2016 7:21:51 GMT 1, Great we all see different things in the same conversation. I was on site yesterday and she wasn't a very popular character with the workers.
Great we all see different things in the same conversation. I was on site yesterday and she wasn't a very popular character with the workers.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by misterx on Jun 9, 2016 8:22:51 GMT 1, Voting trends around the world have been turned on their heads of late.
Polls are regularly shown to mean nothing, come the day of the vote....
More and more countries within Europe are beginning to lean to the far right, with Nationalism and anti refugee policies becoming just as important as the economy as disenchantment with so-called Left wing politics increases, with Austria being the latest example a few weeks ago.
Even the traditionally moderate Scandinavian countries have seen gains by the Far Right.
i wonder if this shift will have any bearing on Britain's EU Referendum?
Is the UK about to reveal a shift to the Right and away from the EU?
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest( but live in Australia, via Bolton, so what do I know??!!)
Voting trends around the world have been turned on their heads of late.
Polls are regularly shown to mean nothing, come the day of the vote....
More and more countries within Europe are beginning to lean to the far right, with Nationalism and anti refugee policies becoming just as important as the economy as disenchantment with so-called Left wing politics increases, with Austria being the latest example a few weeks ago.
Even the traditionally moderate Scandinavian countries have seen gains by the Far Right.
i wonder if this shift will have any bearing on Britain's EU Referendum?
Is the UK about to reveal a shift to the Right and away from the EU?
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest( but live in Australia, via Bolton, so what do I know??!!)
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Jun 9, 2016 8:37:32 GMT 1, Great we all see different things in the same conversation. I was on site yesterday and she wasn't a very popular character with the workers.
That's the point 
We all see the world through our own eyes which is great because everyone would be collecting banksys and nobody else. Oh hang on a second...
Great we all see different things in the same conversation. I was on site yesterday and she wasn't a very popular character with the workers. That's the point We all see the world through our own eyes which is great because everyone would be collecting banksys and nobody else. Oh hang on a second... |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 9, 2016 11:40:09 GMT 1, The remain party didn't do themselves any favours by planting that young lady in the audience that claimed the leave party were racist against black people. Her claim made no sense to me and I suspect nor to others either?
Yeah, he really should have asked her what countries her family and friends originated from, coz what he was trying to tell her was that the Leave and UKIP want closer relations with those Commonwealth countries.
The remain party didn't do themselves any favours by planting that young lady in the audience that claimed the leave party were racist against black people. Her claim made no sense to me and I suspect nor to others either? Yeah, he really should have asked her what countries her family and friends originated from, coz what he was trying to tell her was that the Leave and UKIP want closer relations with those Commonwealth countries. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 9, 2016 11:45:34 GMT 1, Yeah but that doesn't make good headlines does it. I think the playing the race card is a very low tactic when they should be more concerned about facts and figures. The feeling I get from tradesmen on site is people are fed up with hearing that it's a race issue and it really isn't. More of people being offended on someone's else's behalf. I guess working class people are always gonna see it a different way to those that can afford private education and healthcare.
Yeah but that doesn't make good headlines does it. I think the playing the race card is a very low tactic when they should be more concerned about facts and figures. The feeling I get from tradesmen on site is people are fed up with hearing that it's a race issue and it really isn't. More of people being offended on someone's else's behalf. I guess working class people are always gonna see it a different way to those that can afford private education and healthcare.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by FЯ on Jun 9, 2016 11:53:23 GMT 1, something like 50% of the 'migrants' who come to the United Kingdom are not from Europe anyway, so not sure how thats going to change even if you leave europe. Its a non argument. Those already in Europe just come here to work and go home, much like a lot of people do daily in europe as part of their jobs.
Our attitude is completely pre-historic.
something like 50% of the 'migrants' who come to the United Kingdom are not from Europe anyway, so not sure how thats going to change even if you leave europe. Its a non argument. Those already in Europe just come here to work and go home, much like a lot of people do daily in europe as part of their jobs.
Our attitude is completely pre-historic.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by rbk on Jun 9, 2016 11:57:02 GMT 1, Tell you whats an interesting question is and one to ask your parents.
Knowing what they know now would they have voted to join the EU. Which was portrayed as an economic coming together of the central European nations for trading. So was originally a trade grouping.
Similarly with the current position of the EU and its expansion plans of Turkey and the Baltic states and the current economic status of so many of the nations. Plus the costs involved for the UK and opening its borders to them all. if the vote was to join the EU now I wonder would those proposing stay in be as keen to join now
Tell you whats an interesting question is and one to ask your parents.
Knowing what they know now would they have voted to join the EU. Which was portrayed as an economic coming together of the central European nations for trading. So was originally a trade grouping.
Similarly with the current position of the EU and its expansion plans of Turkey and the Baltic states and the current economic status of so many of the nations. Plus the costs involved for the UK and opening its borders to them all. if the vote was to join the EU now I wonder would those proposing stay in be as keen to join now
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 9, 2016 12:01:28 GMT 1, Yeah but that doesn't make good headlines does it. I think the playing the race card is a very low tactic when they should be more concerned about facts and figures. The feeling I get from tradesmen on site is people are fed up with hearing that it's a race issue and it really isn't. More of people being offended on someone's else's behalf. I guess working class people are always gonna see it a different way to those that can afford private education and healthcare.
Yeah, it really does feel like the Racism card is being used as a weapon not just in this, but in so many parts of life now. In any discussion if you call the other side Racist! You can swing a big percentage of the population to your view, even when it's untrue and has no relation to the disagreement.
Yeah but that doesn't make good headlines does it. I think the playing the race card is a very low tactic when they should be more concerned about facts and figures. The feeling I get from tradesmen on site is people are fed up with hearing that it's a race issue and it really isn't. More of people being offended on someone's else's behalf. I guess working class people are always gonna see it a different way to those that can afford private education and healthcare. Yeah, it really does feel like the Racism card is being used as a weapon not just in this, but in so many parts of life now. In any discussion if you call the other side Racist! You can swing a big percentage of the population to your view, even when it's untrue and has no relation to the disagreement. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 12:03:05 GMT 1, Brexit has not answered one question with proof or with anything more than the word "could" added to a statement.
I can see old people voting for Brexit believing that once out, they would feel safer and brexit would mean better policing etc.
The truth is it won't. Crime is out of control, attitude by the police and authorities to victims is abysmal.
Politicians and local councils don't care either.
Staying in, the UK politicians can always fob off their own laziness and refusal to do anything decent on the EU.
Brexit has not answered one question with proof or with anything more than the word "could" added to a statement.
I can see old people voting for Brexit believing that once out, they would feel safer and brexit would mean better policing etc.
The truth is it won't. Crime is out of control, attitude by the police and authorities to victims is abysmal.
Politicians and local councils don't care either.
Staying in, the UK politicians can always fob off their own laziness and refusal to do anything decent on the EU.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 9, 2016 12:16:33 GMT 1, something like 50% of the 'migrants' who come to the United Kingdom are not from Europe anyway, so not sure how thats going to change even if you leave europe. Its a non argument. Those already in Europe just come here to work and go home, much like a lot of people do daily in europe as part of their jobs. Our attitude is completely pre-historic.
And they are very welcome and those non EU migrants should be treated with more respect than they are now by not giving those in the EU priority.
something like 50% of the 'migrants' who come to the United Kingdom are not from Europe anyway, so not sure how thats going to change even if you leave europe. Its a non argument. Those already in Europe just come here to work and go home, much like a lot of people do daily in europe as part of their jobs. Our attitude is completely pre-historic. And they are very welcome and those non EU migrants should be treated with more respect than they are now by not giving those in the EU priority. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 12:38:22 GMT 1, something like 50% of the 'migrants' who come to the United Kingdom are not from Europe anyway, so not sure how thats going to change even if you leave europe. Its a non argument. Those already in Europe just come here to work and go home, much like a lot of people do daily in europe as part of their jobs. Our attitude is completely pre-historic. And they are very welcome and those non EU migrants should be treated with more respect than they are now by not giving those in the EU priority.
something like 50% of the 'migrants' who come to the United Kingdom are not from Europe anyway, so not sure how thats going to change even if you leave europe. Its a non argument. Those already in Europe just come here to work and go home, much like a lot of people do daily in europe as part of their jobs. Our attitude is completely pre-historic. And they are very welcome and those non EU migrants should be treated with more respect than they are now by not giving those in the EU priority. and how should Brits be treated in EU countries? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 9, 2016 12:43:39 GMT 1, And they are very welcome and those non EU migrants should be treated with more respect than they are now by not giving those in the EU priority. and how should Brits be treated in EU countries?
The same as any other country who's outside the EU.
And they are very welcome and those non EU migrants should be treated with more respect than they are now by not giving those in the EU priority. and how should Brits be treated in EU countries? The same as any other country who's outside the EU. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 12:45:40 GMT 1, and how should Brits be treated in EU countries? The same as any other country who's outside the EU.
The reality is in some EU countries Brits are treated worse than people from none EU countries.
and how should Brits be treated in EU countries? The same as any other country who's outside the EU. I'm talking about currently. Britain is in the EU. So how should Brits be treated in other EU countries? The reality is in some EU countries Brits are treated worse than people from none EU countries. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 12:59:57 GMT 1, We 'Brits' should be treated very special and generously by the whole world as we have excellent taste and can boast such people as Kate Moss and Nigel Hawthorne off of Yes Minister et al from our heritage, I think it's only fair....
on the other hand Im 80 so don't give a fk, that's right....not a single fuck.
nb. Also village greens and Midsomer Murders.
We 'Brits' should be treated very special and generously by the whole world as we have excellent taste and can boast such people as Kate Moss and Nigel Hawthorne off of Yes Minister et al from our heritage, I think it's only fair....
on the other hand Im 80 so don't give a fk, that's right....not a single fuck.
nb. Also village greens and Midsomer Murders.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 9, 2016 13:03:34 GMT 1,
Who do you want to trade with?
Who do you want to trade with? |
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