Cameron pokes fun at Labour resignations -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36643789

A lot can happen before article 50 is initiated probably in October but also probably not before Parliament votes on it after the PM, Tory leader is elected.

Thats if Bo Jo becomes the leader or if MP's see his negotiation skills with the EU as a liability and elect someone else. It could even not be initiated untill the next general election. Even so if it is done this year there would be two years plus of negociations.

In those two years Merkel could be deposed and a more right wing German government elected. Juncker gets kicked out too due to lack of negotiating skills and replaced by a non corrupt non alcoholic.

Other EU countries could go for a Brexit referendum or create alliances with other EU countries to get better deals.

Farage has allready had two accidents, once in a light aircraft crash and once when his wheels fell off his Volvo on the French motor way.

All in all between now and the UK actually leaving the EU a lot can happen.

... it is funny though!

I am certainly not a particular fan of Cameron and I would not call myself a Tory voter. Whilst Cameron did indeed deliver the public this referendum he did so due to the overwhelming move by the UK electorate to right wing politics. It was the sudden support for UKIP in the last general election that forced him down this path.

Yes he moved on the referendum to save his own and his parties opportunity to govern. Yes I believe he should not have done so. But also I genuinely believe that the real reason it has happens is because of a large swing in the electorate to the right. That swing continued and hence the result in the referendum.

So yes Cameron is to blame for giving the public the vote but the majority of the public no matter how slim have got what they want.

... I grew up with JC as my MP ... he was always interested in himself and what publicity he could get with his worthy causes ... didn't actually do much for his constituents ...

I assumed he promised the referendum out of fear of losing the election (or failing to get a majority) due to ukip taking Tory votes. By offering the referendum he was promising what ukip were promising, so that there was no need for anti EU Tories to not vote Tory. But I could be wrong.

Edit, just re read your post Jimmy and realise that that is in part what you are saying too! I need to go to bed!

"How did you vote?", asked Pooh
"Leave", said Piglet
"Oh, for fuck's sake", said Pooh, "Why the f**kdid you do that?"

"Because if we leave, then we'll fix the NHS"
"We're not going to fix the NHS, Piglet, that was all bollocks. All the people who told you to vote Leave are the very same people who want to privatise the f**kingthing"
"Oh. But anyway there's also those bloody Heffalumps"
"Heffalumps?"
"Yes, the bloody Heffalumps who keep coming to live in the wood, there are too many"
"But they do things for us, Piglet, and voting Leave won't actually stop them coming anyway"
"Oh. But I just want to get back control of the wood"
"You fucktard. You never had control of the wood, you're a f**kingpiglet. You're just going to get even more fucked over by different people"
"Oh. But why did you want to Remain?", asked Piglet
"I liked that everyone worked together, I felt safe"
"Is that all? You're probably still safe"

"I also fancied going to live in a different wood one day, and maybe if I had kids they would too, but now maybe we can't."
"Oh. But we'll have more honey to go around now...?"
"I'm afraid not, Piglet. We won't have to give away any honey, but there'll almost certainly be less to begin with"
"Oh. Well at least we've got rid of the pig-fucker, I didn't like him"
"I can understand that, Piglet, but have you seen the next guy!? I have a feeling he'll be doing more than just oral"
"Oh my. But they were going to build a huge scary super-wood"
"They never actually said that, and even if there were going to be a huge super-wood, would you rather be part of it, playing with all your new friends, or just outside it with nobody paying you any attention?"
"Oh, I see what you mean. But ours used to be the most important wood of all the woods"
"That's true, Piglet, but that was well over a hundred f**kingyears ago now, and none of us were alive. You really need to get your head out of your arse"
"But our grandparents won the big war to protect our wood, we need to make sure we keep it safe"

"Actually, that's a load of horse-shit. We won the big war to protect other people in other woods and to stop nationalist fuckers killing people because they were different. It showed that we're safer if we all work together and stop thinking of each other as different"
"But the Heffalumps, I don't like them, they're not like us"
"f**kmy luck. Piglet, you're a f**kingPiglet and I'm a stuffed Bear. We're all different, that's what makes the wood a fun place to live. You like Kanga don't you? She's different"
"But Kanga's been here for ages and I like her food"
"Christ on a bike, Piglet, you are a f**kingcockwomble"
"Beer?" asked Piglet
"You're buying" said Pooh, "and I want pork scratchings"
"Oh my"

www.snappytv.com/tc/2242649/1126102

Don't often like him, but Says it as it is

99 Acre wood (Part 2)

Piglet: I am worried. The people in the other woods keep voting for hard right fascists.

Poo: It’s all right, we just wring our hands and tell them it's naughty.. they will go away.

Piglet: Really, I mean, there seem to be more of them every year.

Poo: Yes, but we are right they are wrong. They will see the error of their ways.

Piglet: Maybe the people are upset about something. Should we try to find out?

Poo: No, they are just racists. They are lucky we let ignorant people into the woods. They should be happy with their lot. They are just too stupid to understand.

Piglet: What about the woods with no honey. Are they stupid too?

Poo: Yes: Very stupid. But that’s ok. We will club together and give them a bit of ours. Just enough to stay alive, then we can make them do what we want.

Piglet: Are there any other woods running out of honey?

Poo? Yes but they are so big, they need more honey than we have.

Piglet? Oh who decides who get what honey?

Poo: (sighs)....That’s not for you to worry about

Piglet: I’m feeling uneasy about this


Poo: FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, GET OUT YOU RACIST FUCK.

Smoke and mirrors, you dont think the billions syphoned off to offshore tax havens each year by the rich and multinationals, maybe including the the employers of said Poles, would make more of a differnece than shopping a couple of blokes scamming an extra 50 quid a week ? I mean, seriously, you have Lords and Tories claiming expenses for Duck houses and fucking castle moats from the taxpayer.

No they haven't. They have suddenly been told that all the stuff the Brexit campaign focused on - reduced immigration, the £350m a week they would divert to the NHS, so on and so forth - were, to quote Iain Duncan Smith, "all just a series of possibilities", and increasingly remote ones at that. So if we split the public into three camps, one which voted to remain in the EU, one which voted to leave because they liked what they were hearing from the Leave campaign, and a last which voted to leave because of any number of other reasons of their own choosing, only the last currently look like they've got any chance of getting what they want. I would be very surprised if this final group made up more than a small minority of those that voted to leave. 

What's undeniably false, though, is that a majority of the public have got what they wanted. 34.7% of those registered to vote voted to leave.

Plus there's another 11 million British nationals who aren't registered to vote, and including them only 28% of the public got what they wanted. Which isn't much of a mandate for anything, really.

This does happen, but the dad is paying tax here and helping the economy etc etc etc.

Im pretty certain the same happens with some Brits living abroad claiming some sort of benefit from the UK

Not referring to you mate - but there are alot (not all) of british people who are on benefits that sit on their arse not helping the economy and have no intention of doing so - ever. Then they vote to kick the tax paying guy from Stobarts out of the country. Not being funny, but he is paying for them to live off the state.

Good luck when they get a choice of taking a job or nothing at all to fill the gaps in people not being able to fill roles that immigrants would take. They will not have the excuse anymore of foreigners, so get down to it and take what you are given as a job or go somewhere else.

I had to turn off the 18 kids on benefits (or whatever it was called) as it was unbearable that people can be so adamant that the world owes them a living. If EU rules are potentially out of the window now does that mean lazy English people could get their benefits slashed forcing them into work?

Would doing that mean breaching some human rights issue about being forced to work?