What was the probability of this before the result?

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Wow. Who would be an "Eastern European" these days? It seems that they've lost their national identity as the narrative in certain quarters always refers to them as "Eastern Europeans". It would appear to me they are doing nothing wrong. This is just one of the loopholes Cameron sought to close.

So "this guy" who has a brother that works for Stobarts voted leave because Eastern Europeans can legitimately send "all sorts of benefits" overseas. I shudder to think what other reasons he had for voting leave. Did you care to ask?

People from former colonies Pakistan etc can do that too send money to their extra wives in Pakistan etc.

 Is it because eastern europeans have special status or is it really a rule that applies to anyone from any EU country? Is it if someone from an EU country arrives in the UK and is on low income that they can have the wages topped up and if they have dependants they get benefits too?

 If it's a law that is applied it should apply to everyone from every EU country or to no one.



One thing I do know is that when it comes to benefits the British working class go to the back of the queu.
 

"Send money to their extra wives"? Do I detect a theme to the general narrative here too. What makes you say something like that in the manner that you do? 

European Union rules allow child benefit to be claimed if the parents have paid national insurance. To the person that asked before we are not the only EU country that permits child benefit to be paid for children who live elsewhere in the EU.

"the British working class go to the back of the queu" (sic) ? - without any statistics or evidence, what does this actually mean other than a man/woman spouting off on the internet?

Nobody's judging him - I don't know him. Who's to say his views are misguided? That's drawing a defensive judgement already and you haven't even stated them. Very real views of people, whether they be friends, friends of friends, people down the pub, etc., all serve their purpose. People talk of being out of touch. One of the things that is very clear from the referendum result is regardless of In or Out, we generally surround ourselves with people of the same ilk, so we need to be having wider conversations.  

I don't surround myself with friends of the same ilk. Many of my closest friends were staunch Blair/ Prescott supporters. I take great pleasure in pointing out what a pair of tossers they turned out to be. I'm no way on the defensive, but you appear more like to be using your inverted commas as a form of derision. It'd be nice to have less snearing and more discussion for a change.

You can say "Eastern Europe" - the fact is you have now identified the nation. It wouldn't make sense to not identify the nation given the question you go on to ask. I don't know whether your question is a rhetorical one or not and not sure of this benefits significance to you or what point you are trying to make, so please enlighten me, but Poland is not one of the countries that pays child benefit for non-resident kids - if that is what you are referring to. You obviously feel strongly about this point and apologies if I have missed an earlier post where you set it out.

Quotation marks are not a form of derision and there is no sneering here - It's more a form of punctuation device that has found its way from word processing documents and habitually using them to online text.

Not everybody surrounds themselves with people of the same ilk which is why I used the word "generally" but it appears to me that there is a vast divide where people are not aware of others' views or even listening to them. It was simply an attempt to elicit other views from those who care to share.

On BBC radio today @coach a resigned member told Vine that Corbyn had admitted to voting out of the EU?

I didn't hear that programme. I would be surprised if that's true. But I would not purport to know for a fact if that is true or not.
But his official position as leader of the opposition was remain.
And as such he had nothing to do with that bus and cannot be lumped together with Johnson and Farage, as Ploppi did.

Who should replace Corbyn?

Thanks. My position remains as per my last reply to you and as per my response to Ploppi.

I am in no way an expert on Polish child benefits. Any Poles please feel free to help me out / correct me etc.  I would have to look it up - but there was a furore earlier in the year when Poland was planning to introduce a much higher child benefit rate than it previously had. The new rate would have been comparable to the UK rate. Cynics suggested that this was to counter Cameron's renegotiation with the EU which included paying child benefit at the local rate. You could see how Poles would lose out otherwise and how we would have ended up paying more rather than less.

Forgive me for exclaiming loudly "AAAARGH" - I get to your point. Yes, I can understand why someone would feel that the system of child benefits is unfair as especially if it is not reciprocated, that's arguably a practical view - I would have hoped there was a lot more to convince someone to vote leave because in the grand scheme of things - I would suggrst that it is not majorly significant. I am though aware of how little things add up. Obviously Cameron was aware of this as the benefits issue was something he sought to renegotiate by introducing restrictions on being able to claim benefit. For many he did not go far enough and many perhaps who voted on both sides did not even know what he achieved earlier in the year. Which is why I was interested in what else this chap thought as there are negatives like that which could have been balanced out perhaps. It seems to me that measures taken by Cameron and his government were a question of too little too late for the majority.

If it's about voices being heard in a democracy - there has never been a stronger case than the last general election for Proportional Representation, particularly Scotland where the SNP got almost all the seats with 50% of the vote. UKIP with around 4 million votes - 1 MP. Greens 1 million - 1 seat.  Time for reform?