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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 10, 2007 21:06:17 GMT 1, In my opinion, I thought the Israeli security at Tel Aviv was over the top and unwarranted. To treat everyone like a potential terrorist, what kind of paranoid country is that??? BONGO HUMBLY SUGGEST THAT THIS MAY EXPLAIN EL AL SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al#Accidents_and_security_incidents
Hey Bongo, I flew BA, so the checking in procedure was different
In my opinion, I thought the Israeli security at Tel Aviv was over the top and unwarranted. To treat everyone like a potential terrorist, what kind of paranoid country is that??? BONGO HUMBLY SUGGEST THAT THIS MAY EXPLAIN EL AL SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al#Accidents_and_security_incidentsHey Bongo, I flew BA, so the checking in procedure was different
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 10, 2007 21:08:08 GMT 1, In my opinion, I thought the Israeli security at Tel Aviv was over the top and unwarranted. To treat everyone like a potential terrorist, what kind of paranoid country is that??? They dont have any comprehension as to why people would travel to Bethlehem for Santas Ghetto, more to the point they dont have any comprehension as to why anyone would want to travel to Bethlehem. The propoganda they use is echoed by the way the treat westerners who visit their country. I echo also Scottyd's comments, if you think being honest is the best policy, then make sure you have no contact with any Palestinians, ie taxi drivers. We went with good intentions, kept an open mind about both sides, but I know which side of the barrier were the friendlier, more welcoming, and less paranoid.
Weird isn't it, Bethlehem is so important to Christians I'm really surprised that they don't expect it to be a massive attraction, I'm sure if the Western Wall (wailing wall) for the Jews or Mecca for Muslims was treated this way they'd be all out war.
In my opinion, I thought the Israeli security at Tel Aviv was over the top and unwarranted. To treat everyone like a potential terrorist, what kind of paranoid country is that??? They dont have any comprehension as to why people would travel to Bethlehem for Santas Ghetto, more to the point they dont have any comprehension as to why anyone would want to travel to Bethlehem. The propoganda they use is echoed by the way the treat westerners who visit their country. I echo also Scottyd's comments, if you think being honest is the best policy, then make sure you have no contact with any Palestinians, ie taxi drivers. We went with good intentions, kept an open mind about both sides, but I know which side of the barrier were the friendlier, more welcoming, and less paranoid. Weird isn't it, Bethlehem is so important to Christians I'm really surprised that they don't expect it to be a massive attraction, I'm sure if the Western Wall (wailing wall) for the Jews or Mecca for Muslims was treated this way they'd be all out war.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 10, 2007 21:09:45 GMT 1, In my opinion, I thought the Israeli security at Tel Aviv was over the top and unwarranted. To treat everyone like a potential terrorist, what kind of paranoid country is that??? They dont have any comprehension as to why people would travel to Bethlehem for Santas Ghetto, more to the point they dont have any comprehension as to why anyone would want to travel to Bethlehem. The propoganda they use is echoed by the way the treat westerners who visit their country. I echo also Scottyd's comments, if you think being honest is the best policy, then make sure you have no contact with any Palestinians, ie taxi drivers. We went with good intentions, kept an open mind about both sides, but I know which side of the barrier were the friendlier, more welcoming, and less paranoid. Weird isn't it, Bethlehem is so important to Christians I'm really surprised that they don't expect it to be a massive attraction, I'm sure if the Western Wall (wailing wall) for the Jews or Mecca for Muslims was treated this way they'd be all out war.
100% agree with you CBL.
In my opinion, I thought the Israeli security at Tel Aviv was over the top and unwarranted. To treat everyone like a potential terrorist, what kind of paranoid country is that??? They dont have any comprehension as to why people would travel to Bethlehem for Santas Ghetto, more to the point they dont have any comprehension as to why anyone would want to travel to Bethlehem. The propoganda they use is echoed by the way the treat westerners who visit their country. I echo also Scottyd's comments, if you think being honest is the best policy, then make sure you have no contact with any Palestinians, ie taxi drivers. We went with good intentions, kept an open mind about both sides, but I know which side of the barrier were the friendlier, more welcoming, and less paranoid. Weird isn't it, Bethlehem is so important to Christians I'm really surprised that they don't expect it to be a massive attraction, I'm sure if the Western Wall (wailing wall) for the Jews or Mecca for Muslims was treated this way they'd be all out war. 100% agree with you CBL.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BONGO on Dec 10, 2007 21:11:29 GMT 1, BONGO UNDERSTAND, BUT AS EL AL SCREEN PASSENGERS AT LENGTH BEFORE CHECK IN, WALK THROUGH AT TEL AVIV WAS A FEW SECONDS ONLY.
SADLY, A NATION THAT CONSIDERS ITSELF TO HAVE BEEN UNDER SIEGE SINCE INCEPTION, SOME DEGREE OF PARANOIA IS TO BE EXPECTED.
BONGO UNDERSTAND, BUT AS EL AL SCREEN PASSENGERS AT LENGTH BEFORE CHECK IN, WALK THROUGH AT TEL AVIV WAS A FEW SECONDS ONLY.
SADLY, A NATION THAT CONSIDERS ITSELF TO HAVE BEEN UNDER SIEGE SINCE INCEPTION, SOME DEGREE OF PARANOIA IS TO BE EXPECTED.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BONGO on Dec 10, 2007 21:14:23 GMT 1, JERUSALEM IS SACRED RELIGIOUS CENTRE FOR ALL THREE RELIGIONS.
BONGO KNOWS THAT WHEREAS JESUS WAS A MESSIAH TO THE CHRISTIANS, HE WAS ONLY A PROPHET TO ISLAM AND JUDIASM, HENCE THE RELATIVE INSIGNIFICANCE OF BETHLEHEM TO MANY
JERUSALEM IS SACRED RELIGIOUS CENTRE FOR ALL THREE RELIGIONS.
BONGO KNOWS THAT WHEREAS JESUS WAS A MESSIAH TO THE CHRISTIANS, HE WAS ONLY A PROPHET TO ISLAM AND JUDIASM, HENCE THE RELATIVE INSIGNIFICANCE OF BETHLEHEM TO MANY
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 10, 2007 21:21:05 GMT 1, JERUSALEM IS SACRED RELIGIOUS CENTRE FOR ALL THREE RELIGIONS. BONGO KNOWS THAT WHEREAS JESUS WAS A MESSIAH TO THE CHRISTIANS, HE WAS ONLY A PROPHET TO ISLAM AND JUDIASM, HENCE THE RELATIVE INSIGNIFICANCE OF BETHLEHEM TO MANY
I'm not religious at all, but even I realise that the Western Wall, Mecca, The Ganges etc are very important places for religious groups, and that should be respected.
JERUSALEM IS SACRED RELIGIOUS CENTRE FOR ALL THREE RELIGIONS. BONGO KNOWS THAT WHEREAS JESUS WAS A MESSIAH TO THE CHRISTIANS, HE WAS ONLY A PROPHET TO ISLAM AND JUDIASM, HENCE THE RELATIVE INSIGNIFICANCE OF BETHLEHEM TO MANY I'm not religious at all, but even I realise that the Western Wall, Mecca, The Ganges etc are very important places for religious groups, and that should be respected.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 10, 2007 21:21:12 GMT 1, Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified.
Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by scottd007 on Dec 10, 2007 21:27:17 GMT 1, Bongo - getting in was very easy. Getting out when they have discovered you have visited The West Bank is a very tedious and at times humiliating experience. Sat in your pants in the "rubber glove" back room of an airport is not where you want to be - it's not a good look).
Bongo - getting in was very easy. Getting out when they have discovered you have visited The West Bank is a very tedious and at times humiliating experience. Sat in your pants in the "rubber glove" back room of an airport is not where you want to be - it's not a good look).
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by paulypaul on Dec 10, 2007 21:28:45 GMT 1, Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified.
Some would argue Pilate was the facilitator...
Does that mean the Italians killed likkle baby Jesus...!
Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified. Some would argue Pilate was the facilitator... Does that mean the Italians killed likkle baby Jesus...!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 10, 2007 22:13:47 GMT 1, I think its fair to say Bongo had a very different experience to what myself, Scott, Hoops, Ed, Vazie, her husband, and few others had, and that is not a bad thing. I guess the crux is to go with El Al, rather than with BA.
I also think the point is, and let us not lose sight of it, the SG is still worth the effort, irrespective if you get a hard time or not
I think its fair to say Bongo had a very different experience to what myself, Scott, Hoops, Ed, Vazie, her husband, and few others had, and that is not a bad thing. I guess the crux is to go with El Al, rather than with BA.
I also think the point is, and let us not lose sight of it, the SG is still worth the effort, irrespective if you get a hard time or not
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by peteblond on Dec 10, 2007 22:57:57 GMT 1, hi does anyone know if there are anymore trolley prints left at the ghetto as Im going out tomorrow? thanks
hi does anyone know if there are anymore trolley prints left at the ghetto as Im going out tomorrow? thanks
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mike hunt on Dec 10, 2007 23:14:53 GMT 1, Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified.
So, jews imprison the palestinian race (which if they are a race would involve imprisoning Jordanian people amongst others) and now they've killed Jesus (known as god in western circles). Murdering god? You don't get much worse than that! This sounds like hating to me, above and beyond the call of duty. Okay, you don't like Israel. Thats one thing, but I think you crossed the line into some medieval argument here. I think its getting out of order and I'm sure I'll get negged and shouted down for this, but thats to be expected.
Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified. So, jews imprison the palestinian race (which if they are a race would involve imprisoning Jordanian people amongst others) and now they've killed Jesus (known as god in western circles). Murdering god? You don't get much worse than that! This sounds like hating to me, above and beyond the call of duty. Okay, you don't like Israel. Thats one thing, but I think you crossed the line into some medieval argument here. I think its getting out of order and I'm sure I'll get negged and shouted down for this, but thats to be expected.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by gozgoz on Dec 10, 2007 23:28:04 GMT 1, I was in that rubberglove back room of the airport and I will continually praise the LOrd everyday from now onwards that they didn't perform a cavity search.
I was in my pants though but the bright side is that after being rubbed and searched by three goodlooking burly men, I'm now sure of my heterosexuality.
I was in that rubberglove back room of the airport and I will continually praise the LOrd everyday from now onwards that they didn't perform a cavity search.
I was in my pants though but the bright side is that after being rubbed and searched by three goodlooking burly men, I'm now sure of my heterosexuality.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 10, 2007 23:31:26 GMT 1, Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified. So, jews imprison the palestinian race (which if they are a race would involve imprisoning Jordanian people amongst others) and now they've killed Jesus (known as god in western circles). Murdering god? You don't get much worse than that! This sounds like hating to me, above and beyond the call of duty. Okay, you don't like Israel. Thats one thing, but I think you crossed the line into some medieval argument here. I think its getting out of order and I'm sure I'll get negged and shouted down for this, but thats to be expected.
sounding a bit confused there guys Jesus, God, King of the Jews, Jesus killers ?!? Yikes.. Think he just served me some chick pea spread and olives actually. If not him, then definitely related.
Jerusalam is full on bars and clubs, stencils all over the place too ! I'm staying :-)
Jesus was more than a prophet, he was allegedly, the King of the Jews, but the Jews were the ones who sent Jesus to be crucified. So, jews imprison the palestinian race (which if they are a race would involve imprisoning Jordanian people amongst others) and now they've killed Jesus (known as god in western circles). Murdering god? You don't get much worse than that! This sounds like hating to me, above and beyond the call of duty. Okay, you don't like Israel. Thats one thing, but I think you crossed the line into some medieval argument here. I think its getting out of order and I'm sure I'll get negged and shouted down for this, but thats to be expected. sounding a bit confused there guys Jesus, God, King of the Jews, Jesus killers ?!? Yikes.. Think he just served me some chick pea spread and olives actually. If not him, then definitely related. Jerusalam is full on bars and clubs, stencils all over the place too ! I'm staying :-)
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 10, 2007 23:32:35 GMT 1, Hey Gozgoz did you get a print? if so Trolleys or Flag?
Hey Gozgoz did you get a print? if so Trolleys or Flag?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 10, 2007 23:33:35 GMT 1, and a +1 for going
and a +1 for going
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ejvaze on Dec 11, 2007 0:14:48 GMT 1, I was in that rubberglove back room of the airport and I will continually praise the LOrd everyday from now onwards that they didn't perform a cavity search. I was in my pants though but the bright side is that after being rubbed and searched by three goodlooking burly men, I'm now sure of my heterosexuality.
Gozgoz I cannot stop laughing Sorry don't mean to belittle your experience ;D ;D ;D ;D +1 for the post AND for making the effort to go
Well fellas just think what you have got to look forward to ;D You'll need more than the 2 pairs of underpants I fear ;D ;D ;D
What is it about you fellas that is getting the security so jumpy? Do you all have tight fitting jeans long hair and doggy looks ;D ;D
Personally I think the sudden influx of young men all wanting to visit must be a worry
or is it the Santa's hat white beard and red trousers ho ho ho thats giving you all away ;D
I was in that rubberglove back room of the airport and I will continually praise the LOrd everyday from now onwards that they didn't perform a cavity search. I was in my pants though but the bright side is that after being rubbed and searched by three goodlooking burly men, I'm now sure of my heterosexuality. Gozgoz I cannot stop laughing Sorry don't mean to belittle your experience ;D ;D ;D ;D +1 for the post AND for making the effort to go Well fellas just think what you have got to look forward to ;D You'll need more than the 2 pairs of underpants I fear ;D ;D ;D What is it about you fellas that is getting the security so jumpy? Do you all have tight fitting jeans long hair and doggy looks ;D ;D Personally I think the sudden influx of young men all wanting to visit must be a worry or is it the Santa's hat white beard and red trousers ho ho ho thats giving you all away ;D
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by gozgoz on Dec 11, 2007 0:19:56 GMT 1, I got flag. I couldn't have affordd trollies anyways even if they had it.
Vazie, u aren't getting that plus one I wanted to give u for mocking my extremely harrowing experience where I feared for my anus and my life (in that order of priority).
I got flag. I couldn't have affordd trollies anyways even if they had it.
Vazie, u aren't getting that plus one I wanted to give u for mocking my extremely harrowing experience where I feared for my anus and my life (in that order of priority).
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ejvaze on Dec 11, 2007 0:30:16 GMT 1, I got flag. I couldn't have affordd trollies anyways even if they had it. Vazie, u aren't getting that plus one I wanted to give u for mocking my extremely harrowing experience where I feared for my anus and my life (in that order of priority).
Oh Gozgoz don't make my cry I said I was sorry after all you would never have gone if I had not put your first fears at rest . Just think without my comforting words you would never have gone and never have had this experience to remember for time immemorial ;D ;D ;D
NOW I am talking about the trip to the Ghetto and Palistine here Gozgoz.
I got flag. I couldn't have affordd trollies anyways even if they had it. Vazie, u aren't getting that plus one I wanted to give u for mocking my extremely harrowing experience where I feared for my anus and my life (in that order of priority). Oh Gozgoz don't make my cry I said I was sorry after all you would never have gone if I had not put your first fears at rest . Just think without my comforting words you would never have gone and never have had this experience to remember for time immemorial ;D ;D ;D NOW I am talking about the trip to the Ghetto and Palistine here Gozgoz.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Cocteau 101 on Dec 11, 2007 0:35:13 GMT 1, I got flag. I couldn't have affordd trollies anyways even if they had it. Vazie, u aren't getting that plus one I wanted to give u for mocking my extremely harrowing experience where I feared for my anus and my life (in that order of priority).
Gorgoz +1 - I'd rather go through that Mic queue at Laz than risk a prostate probing insertion on foreign soil ;D Well done on the Flag, remember what could have been raised everytime you look at it ;D
I got flag. I couldn't have affordd trollies anyways even if they had it. Vazie, u aren't getting that plus one I wanted to give u for mocking my extremely harrowing experience where I feared for my anus and my life (in that order of priority). Gorgoz +1 - I'd rather go through that Mic queue at Laz than risk a prostate probing insertion on foreign soil ;D Well done on the Flag, remember what could have been raised everytime you look at it ;D
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by gozgoz on Dec 11, 2007 2:11:38 GMT 1, hahaha! thanks cocteau!
hahaha! thanks cocteau!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Existencil on Dec 12, 2007 12:59:42 GMT 1, Is it just me, or are the ghetto prints a little lacking. They've all left me a bit cold so far.
What do you guys think.
Is it just me, or are the ghetto prints a little lacking. They've all left me a bit cold so far.
What do you guys think.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Tyler Durden on Dec 12, 2007 13:05:03 GMT 1, Feeling the same so far mate. To each his own though and all that. I've only got limited space on the walls now so I'm being a lot more selective, but at the current prices I haven't even been tempted by anything.
Feeling the same so far mate. To each his own though and all that. I've only got limited space on the walls now so I'm being a lot more selective, but at the current prices I haven't even been tempted by anything.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Andy'77 on Dec 12, 2007 13:06:28 GMT 1, Quite liked the Brookes Bikini Circus print and it was at a reasonable price but decided against it as I don't think it would have made the wall. Nothing else has really taken my fancy. Looking forward to seeing what Lucy McLauchlan puts out as the show at Laz looks amazing!
Quite liked the Brookes Bikini Circus print and it was at a reasonable price but decided against it as I don't think it would have made the wall. Nothing else has really taken my fancy. Looking forward to seeing what Lucy McLauchlan puts out as the show at Laz looks amazing!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by dotdot on Dec 12, 2007 13:12:35 GMT 1, Is it just me, or are the ghetto prints a little lacking. They've all left me a bit cold so far. What do you guys think.
Agreed .
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Is it just me, or are the ghetto prints a little lacking. They've all left me a bit cold so far. What do you guys think. Agreed . ..
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shower on Dec 12, 2007 13:12:41 GMT 1, i know that i havnt been into graffiti and urban art as long as many people on here but i got into it because of my dissertation and the iconic images by nick walker, banksy, faile, dface, eine and the street work of roadsworth, space invader, above etc etc. however if i was trying to get into the scene now and the only images i saw were from santas ghetto (just the prints sold online) i dont think i would still be here. none of the prints did anything for me, i know its all about personal tastes but in my opinion they didnt appeal to me. i just dont have that tingily feeling i get when i love a print and that urge to spend hundreds on something i must have on my wall!
i know that i havnt been into graffiti and urban art as long as many people on here but i got into it because of my dissertation and the iconic images by nick walker, banksy, faile, dface, eine and the street work of roadsworth, space invader, above etc etc. however if i was trying to get into the scene now and the only images i saw were from santas ghetto (just the prints sold online) i dont think i would still be here. none of the prints did anything for me, i know its all about personal tastes but in my opinion they didnt appeal to me. i just dont have that tingily feeling i get when i love a print and that urge to spend hundreds on something i must have on my wall!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by leehambly on Dec 12, 2007 13:16:32 GMT 1, i know that i havnt been into graffiti and urban art as long as many people on here but i got into it because of my dissertation and the iconic images by nick walker, banksy, faile, dface, eine and the street work of roadsworth, space invader, above etc etc. however if i was trying to get into the scene now and the only images i saw were from santas ghetto (just the prints sold online) i dont think i would still be here. none of the prints did anything for me, i know its all about personal tastes but in my opinion they didnt appeal to me. i just dont have that tingily feeling i get when i love a print and that urge to spend hundreds on something i must have on my wall!
Agree... nothing so far has been worth getting out of bed on a cold day to go see the postman, let alone the prices they are charging.
i know that i havnt been into graffiti and urban art as long as many people on here but i got into it because of my dissertation and the iconic images by nick walker, banksy, faile, dface, eine and the street work of roadsworth, space invader, above etc etc. however if i was trying to get into the scene now and the only images i saw were from santas ghetto (just the prints sold online) i dont think i would still be here. none of the prints did anything for me, i know its all about personal tastes but in my opinion they didnt appeal to me. i just dont have that tingily feeling i get when i love a print and that urge to spend hundreds on something i must have on my wall! Agree... nothing so far has been worth getting out of bed on a cold day to go see the postman, let alone the prices they are charging.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ihate69 on Dec 12, 2007 13:19:23 GMT 1, i think personally there all over rated the prints so far......
on my walls at home:
2 posters from: das Allgรคu (bei Isny) Otl Aicher - original 70s screenprints. www.flickr.com/photos/85098956@N00/254243764/
much more engaging than what i have seen in the ghetto this year.
and some eine and invader prints. and two takeshi murakami prints...
mix em up .....
i think personally there all over rated the prints so far...... on my walls at home: 2 posters from: das Allgรคu (bei Isny) Otl Aicher - original 70s screenprints. www.flickr.com/photos/85098956@N00/254243764/much more engaging than what i have seen in the ghetto this year. and some eine and invader prints. and two takeshi murakami prints... mix em up .....
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by slinkink on Dec 12, 2007 13:29:28 GMT 1, tyler your avatar is awesome!
did you make that yoursefl?
tyler your avatar is awesome!
did you make that yoursefl?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by streetgirl on Dec 12, 2007 13:33:37 GMT 1,
Agreed, I haven't stared so helplessly at my screen since, er, Cracka came up with his avatar.
Agreed, I haven't stared so helplessly at my screen since, er, Cracka came up with his avatar.
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