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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by carl on Dec 3, 2007 0:50:13 GMT 1, There's no way anyone is going to able to walk down downtown Bethlehem with a load of tubes over their shoulder without being shot!
Im going to try though!
There's no way anyone is going to able to walk down downtown Bethlehem with a load of tubes over their shoulder without being shot! Im going to try though! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Joe J on Dec 3, 2007 0:51:24 GMT 1, More sleepless nights.
This looks to be an amazing show.
More sleepless nights.
This looks to be an amazing show.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shavemysoul on Dec 3, 2007 0:58:38 GMT 1, Haha! This is brilliant. Nice one POW ;D
Haha! This is brilliant. Nice one POW ;D
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shavemysoul on Dec 3, 2007 1:02:52 GMT 1, Now the question is...is this for real?? I can be there tomorrow... flights no problem.. Is there actually a ghetto there, or is this some sort of piss take using loads of talented photoshopping?
I would has at a guess it's a very elaborate piss-take... looks like it's an online thing. Gonna be great though!
Now the question is...is this for real?? I can be there tomorrow... flights no problem.. Is there actually a ghetto there, or is this some sort of piss take using loads of talented photoshopping? I would has at a guess it's a very elaborate piss-take... looks like it's an online thing. Gonna be great though! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shavemysoul on Dec 3, 2007 1:05:01 GMT 1, Where's that 'opening soon' link on the bottom of 'the shop' page gonna feed into any tech heads know? Looks like it might be the place to be 
Where's that 'opening soon' link on the bottom of 'the shop' page gonna feed into any tech heads know? Looks like it might be the place to be |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shavemysoul on Dec 3, 2007 1:06:41 GMT 1, The Conor Harrington, Mic. and Kelsey Brook pieces look top notch. If these are released as prints (may well not be I guess) and I can get near them, my CC is already screaming 'ouch'.
The Conor Harrington, Mic. and Kelsey Brook pieces look top notch. If these are released as prints (may well not be I guess) and I can get near them, my CC is already screaming 'ouch'.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by pagerage on Dec 3, 2007 1:08:30 GMT 1, so are the print releases being scattered? sure would suck to show up and be told that the banksy is not being released until next week.
so are the print releases being scattered? sure would suck to show up and be told that the banksy is not being released until next week.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by giiiant on Dec 3, 2007 1:09:53 GMT 1, I would has at a guess it's a very elaborate piss-take... looks like it's an online thing. Gonna be great though! That was my first thought..... I can just see POW having a webcam set up and lauging at anyone that turns up to an empty store and non existant ghetto.
I'm not sure, the bit about donating all proceeds to the local community seems genuine.
I would has at a guess it's a very elaborate piss-take... looks like it's an online thing. Gonna be great though! That was my first thought..... I can just see POW having a webcam set up and lauging at anyone that turns up to an empty store and non existant ghetto. I'm not sure, the bit about donating all proceeds to the local community seems genuine. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rusty1986 on Dec 3, 2007 1:15:26 GMT 1, perhaps itll be originals and the like at the ghetto itself, so only the rich cood really afford them anyway, and prints kept for online?
perhaps itll be originals and the like at the ghetto itself, so only the rich cood really afford them anyway, and prints kept for online?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by jB on Dec 3, 2007 1:16:05 GMT 1, silky, i dont see too many kids out there that will be uploading pictures of prints to there iBooks to flog on eBay...however its a funny thought
silky, i dont see too many kids out there that will be uploading pictures of prints to there iBooks to flog on eBay...however its a funny thought
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shavemysoul on Dec 3, 2007 1:16:19 GMT 1, That was my first thought..... I can just see POW having a webcam set up and lauging at anyone that turns up to an empty store and non existant ghetto. I'm not sure, the bit about donating all proceeds to the local community seems genuine.
POW are notoriously tongue in cheek and great at it. I think that part may have been a sly shot at the expression and its flippant use.... maybe.
That was my first thought..... I can just see POW having a webcam set up and lauging at anyone that turns up to an empty store and non existant ghetto. I'm not sure, the bit about donating all proceeds to the local community seems genuine. POW are notoriously tongue in cheek and great at it. I think that part may have been a sly shot at the expression and its flippant use.... maybe. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by jfury on Dec 3, 2007 2:18:47 GMT 1, all prints are online - no release of prints over there just the show
all prints are online - no release of prints over there just the show
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 3, 2007 10:37:10 GMT 1, West Banksy.... Cryptic clue for all of you....
Why did no one listen to me?
Anyway...Bethlehem isn't that hard to get to tho you will have to 'dirty' your passport with an Israeli stamp...that makes going to certain countries a tricky affair, impossible in some cases. I have two passports. A 'clean' and a 'dirty' one. But I've got friends in the area who will get me things.
And what's brilliant is getting some Palestinian artists in on the act. Now THAT'S important.
West Banksy.... Cryptic clue for all of you.... Why did no one listen to me? Anyway...Bethlehem isn't that hard to get to tho you will have to 'dirty' your passport with an Israeli stamp...that makes going to certain countries a tricky affair, impossible in some cases. I have two passports. A 'clean' and a 'dirty' one. But I've got friends in the area who will get me things. And what's brilliant is getting some Palestinian artists in on the act. Now THAT'S important. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2007 10:39:01 GMT 1, West Banksy.... Cryptic clue for all of you.... Why did no one listen to me? Anyway...Bethlehem isn't that hard to get to tho you will have to 'dirty' your passport with an Israeli stamp...that makes going to certain countries a tricky affair, impossible in some cases. I have two passports. A 'clean' and a 'dirty' one. But I've got friends in the area who will get me things. And what's brilliant is getting some Palestinian artists in on the act. Now THAT'S important.
Good call Monstris.
West Banksy.... Cryptic clue for all of you.... Why did no one listen to me? Anyway...Bethlehem isn't that hard to get to tho you will have to 'dirty' your passport with an Israeli stamp...that makes going to certain countries a tricky affair, impossible in some cases. I have two passports. A 'clean' and a 'dirty' one. But I've got friends in the area who will get me things. And what's brilliant is getting some Palestinian artists in on the act. Now THAT'S important. Good call Monstris. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 3, 2007 15:05:12 GMT 1, OK there seems to be a lot of talk of the ease in how to get to Bethlehem. Let me make one important fact clear, Bethlehem or parts there of, are described as a war zone, and anyone going out there thinking they will walk away with tubes of art, is a fool. I tried to go there only a couple of months ago, and was strongly advised against it. The foreign office, even advise against travelling to the West Bank, check out their site www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385504
Pay particular attention to this statement "Travel within the West Bank is not possible without passing through multiple Israeli military checkpoints. These checkpoints are flash points for violent incidents and have been the scene of several fatal attacks". If POW are encouraging people to travel out to Bethlehem to boost tourism, then poor shame on POW, as they are asking people to risk their lives in the pursuit of art.
My own personal opinion, no art is worth risking my life for, but hey each to their own
OK there seems to be a lot of talk of the ease in how to get to Bethlehem. Let me make one important fact clear, Bethlehem or parts there of, are described as a war zone, and anyone going out there thinking they will walk away with tubes of art, is a fool. I tried to go there only a couple of months ago, and was strongly advised against it. The foreign office, even advise against travelling to the West Bank, check out their site www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385504Pay particular attention to this statement "Travel within the West Bank is not possible without passing through multiple Israeli military checkpoints. These checkpoints are flash points for violent incidents and have been the scene of several fatal attacks". If POW are encouraging people to travel out to Bethlehem to boost tourism, then poor shame on POW, as they are asking people to risk their lives in the pursuit of art. My own personal opinion, no art is worth risking my life for, but hey each to their own |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 3, 2007 15:20:05 GMT 1, OK there seems to be a lot of talk of the ease in how to get to Bethlehem. Let me make one important fact clear, Bethlehem or parts there of, are described as a war zone, and anyone going out there thinking they will walk away with tubes of art, is a fool. I tried to go there only a couple of months ago, and was strongly advised against it. The foreign office, even advise against travelling to the West Bank, check out their site www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385504Pay particular attention to this statement "Travel within the West Bank is not possible without passing through multiple Israeli military checkpoints. These checkpoints are flash points for violent incidents and have been the scene of several fatal attacks". If POW are encouraging people to travel out to Bethlehem to boost tourism, then poor shame on POW, as they are asking people to risk their lives in the pursuit of art. My own personal opinion, no art is worth risking my life for, but hey each to their own
There are people who make a habit of going to the west bank...if you're not a journalist, there are other ways of getting to Bethlehem...particularly at this time of year. There are tours leaving from Jerusalem via sherut (a taxi/van thing), there are coach tours, and there is the ISM (international solidarity movement). Yes you will all undergo a form of checkpoint so don't go in with your eyes closed. If you're flying into Tel Aviv, you'll be interrogated on arrival and on departure. If you're coming by land over Jordan, you'll be interrogated on arrival and departure. The more trips you make to Israel/Palestine, the more you get used to it. If you're after advice, PM me.
The WB isn't as dangerous as people would have you believe, but be prepared for a shock. Palestinians live in poverty, particularly in refugee camps. The settler zealots nearby have guns and don't like having you there. Every car is identified as Israeli or Palestinian depending on the license plate. If you're expecting a pissup, it's possible. There are a fair few Christians knocking around who drink, but being drunk in the street is frowned upon...and if you're a girl who smokes, doing so in the street will get you some funny looks. Also respect the dress codes ladies. Cover your shoulders in the street, cover your head in a mosque.
You'll find lots of photogenic kids running around the street wanting their picture taken in front of...well...anything.
Things are cheaper in the West Bank than in Israel but the currency is the same. Unlike places like Nablus, Bethlehem isn't under a shoot-on-site curfew because of all the tourist interest there.
And if someone invites you for a 'smoke' they mean from a shisha...not hash.
It's a great place to go and you'll make some firm friends quickly. And you'll gain a perspective on your own life you'll not get anywhere else. But DO NOT go expecting things are the same as anywhere else vaguely 'poor' that you've been (India, Thailand, etc). There is a war going on. And although the hospitality you receive will make that seem like it isn't, the sight of APCs, Caterpillar bulldozers and the the sound of Apache helicopters overhead will quickly remind you. And don't turn up acting like an arrogant t**t...the Israelis at the checkpoints are 18yrs old, on national service, with guns...the ones with the yarmulkes and american accents really do believe this land is theirs. The rest are so f**king bored they may shoot at you to alleviate this.
I've been back and forth from J'lem to the West Bank to Gaza a few times. Although you get used to the checkpoints, you never get used to having a little red laser from a gun to your head.
OK there seems to be a lot of talk of the ease in how to get to Bethlehem. Let me make one important fact clear, Bethlehem or parts there of, are described as a war zone, and anyone going out there thinking they will walk away with tubes of art, is a fool. I tried to go there only a couple of months ago, and was strongly advised against it. The foreign office, even advise against travelling to the West Bank, check out their site www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385504Pay particular attention to this statement "Travel within the West Bank is not possible without passing through multiple Israeli military checkpoints. These checkpoints are flash points for violent incidents and have been the scene of several fatal attacks". If POW are encouraging people to travel out to Bethlehem to boost tourism, then poor shame on POW, as they are asking people to risk their lives in the pursuit of art. My own personal opinion, no art is worth risking my life for, but hey each to their own There are people who make a habit of going to the west bank...if you're not a journalist, there are other ways of getting to Bethlehem...particularly at this time of year. There are tours leaving from Jerusalem via sherut (a taxi/van thing), there are coach tours, and there is the ISM (international solidarity movement). Yes you will all undergo a form of checkpoint so don't go in with your eyes closed. If you're flying into Tel Aviv, you'll be interrogated on arrival and on departure. If you're coming by land over Jordan, you'll be interrogated on arrival and departure. The more trips you make to Israel/Palestine, the more you get used to it. If you're after advice, PM me. The WB isn't as dangerous as people would have you believe, but be prepared for a shock. Palestinians live in poverty, particularly in refugee camps. The settler zealots nearby have guns and don't like having you there. Every car is identified as Israeli or Palestinian depending on the license plate. If you're expecting a pissup, it's possible. There are a fair few Christians knocking around who drink, but being drunk in the street is frowned upon...and if you're a girl who smokes, doing so in the street will get you some funny looks. Also respect the dress codes ladies. Cover your shoulders in the street, cover your head in a mosque. You'll find lots of photogenic kids running around the street wanting their picture taken in front of...well...anything. Things are cheaper in the West Bank than in Israel but the currency is the same. Unlike places like Nablus, Bethlehem isn't under a shoot-on-site curfew because of all the tourist interest there. And if someone invites you for a 'smoke' they mean from a shisha...not hash. It's a great place to go and you'll make some firm friends quickly. And you'll gain a perspective on your own life you'll not get anywhere else. But DO NOT go expecting things are the same as anywhere else vaguely 'poor' that you've been (India, Thailand, etc). There is a war going on. And although the hospitality you receive will make that seem like it isn't, the sight of APCs, Caterpillar bulldozers and the the sound of Apache helicopters overhead will quickly remind you. And don't turn up acting like an arrogant t**t...the Israelis at the checkpoints are 18yrs old, on national service, with guns...the ones with the yarmulkes and american accents really do believe this land is theirs. The rest are so f**king bored they may shoot at you to alleviate this. I've been back and forth from J'lem to the West Bank to Gaza a few times. Although you get used to the checkpoints, you never get used to having a little red laser from a gun to your head. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Dec 3, 2007 15:32:45 GMT 1, +1 from me Mantris, well said
+1 from me Mantris, well said
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Existencil on Dec 3, 2007 15:41:02 GMT 1, Slightly more hairy than the last bunfight in Greek Street then?
Slightly more hairy than the last bunfight in Greek Street then?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by jones27 on Dec 3, 2007 15:57:35 GMT 1, I really hope the Bast 'NY Headband' will be a print edition !
I really hope the Bast 'NY Headband' will be a print edition !
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 3, 2007 16:33:13 GMT 1, West Banksy.... Cryptic clue for all of you.... Why did no one listen to me?
I guessed the answer to your clue, but couldn't believe it and thought it was more likely to be west as in west of england - Bristol.
West Banksy.... Cryptic clue for all of you.... Why did no one listen to me? I guessed the answer to your clue, but couldn't believe it and thought it was more likely to be west as in west of england - Bristol. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Dead Elvis on Dec 4, 2007 2:12:28 GMT 1, And what's brilliant is getting some Palestinian artists in on the act. Now THAT'S important.
Fucking brilliant.
And what's brilliant is getting some Palestinian artists in on the act. Now THAT'S important. Fucking brilliant. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by G-Man on Dec 3, 2007 12:36:38 GMT 1, I've been making a fair few calls and there is a strong rumour of the whole Bethlehem thing being a cunning decoy.. 
I hear of prints being dispatched to a certain street inEast London... 
I'm not giving up hope of London Ghetto yet ;D
Bethnal Green = Bethlehem ??
East = East London? ??
POW say check the ghetto website very carefully...
I'm 90% sure of an East London Ghetto still... when this is uncovered its gonna be the scam of the century if POW really have pulled it off
Thoughts gentlemen?
I've been making a fair few calls and there is a strong rumour of the whole Bethlehem thing being a cunning decoy.. I hear of prints being dispatched to a certain street inEast London... I'm not giving up hope of London Ghetto yet ;D Bethnal Green = Bethlehem ?? East = East London? ?? POW say check the ghetto website very carefully... I'm 90% sure of an East London Ghetto still... when this is uncovered its gonna be the scam of the century if POW really have pulled it off Thoughts gentlemen? |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by hammy on Dec 3, 2007 12:39:23 GMT 1, i hope so.....def more chance of getting down to london than going to bethlehem.
its all very confusing!! basically any possibility you think of, is possible. WHO KNOWS!!
i hope so.....def more chance of getting down to london than going to bethlehem.
its all very confusing!! basically any possibility you think of, is possible. WHO KNOWS!!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Montubu7 on Dec 3, 2007 12:39:54 GMT 1, I've been making a fair few calls and there is a strong rumour of the whole Bethlehem thing being a cunning decoy.. I hear of prints being dispatched to a certain street inEast London... I'm not giving up hope of London Ghetto yet ;D Bethnal Green = Bethlehem ?? East = East London? ?? POW say check the ghetto website very carefully... I'm 90% sure of an East London Ghetto still... when this is uncovered its gonna be the scam of the century if POW really have pulled it off Thoughts gentlemen?
seriously doubt its a set up , would be in poor taste if it was - Bethlehem it is!
& anyway they are selling prints online i doubt they are taking they all the way ovet there to post them all back, they will be posted from london hence prints *possibly* being spotted in london..
I've been making a fair few calls and there is a strong rumour of the whole Bethlehem thing being a cunning decoy.. I hear of prints being dispatched to a certain street inEast London... I'm not giving up hope of London Ghetto yet ;D Bethnal Green = Bethlehem ?? East = East London? ?? POW say check the ghetto website very carefully... I'm 90% sure of an East London Ghetto still... when this is uncovered its gonna be the scam of the century if POW really have pulled it off Thoughts gentlemen? seriously doubt its a set up , would be in poor taste if it was - Bethlehem it is! & anyway they are selling prints online i doubt they are taking they all the way ovet there to post them all back, they will be posted from london hence prints *possibly* being spotted in london.. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2007 12:40:18 GMT 1, It's in Bethlehem. There may be prints released and sold through POW, who knows, but the ghetto is in Bethlehem.
It's in Bethlehem. There may be prints released and sold through POW, who knows, but the ghetto is in Bethlehem.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by graeme501 on Dec 3, 2007 12:41:37 GMT 1, i would find it very disapointing if they chose 2 make a joke out of this situation
if they wanted 2 make a joke, they could have chose anywhere in the world, but after choosing bethlehem, dont think they can go back wif that
i would find it very disapointing if they chose 2 make a joke out of this situation
if they wanted 2 make a joke, they could have chose anywhere in the world, but after choosing bethlehem, dont think they can go back wif that
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by arcam on Dec 3, 2007 12:41:53 GMT 1, It's definitely in Bethlehem.
It's definitely in Bethlehem.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by giiiant on Dec 3, 2007 12:44:07 GMT 1, But what about the people that are actually there in Bethlehem right now? Surely POW aren't cruel enough to make quite a few people waste hundreds of ยฃ on a flight for no reason
But what about the people that are actually there in Bethlehem right now? Surely POW aren't cruel enough to make quite a few people waste hundreds of ยฃ on a flight for no reason
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 3, 2007 12:45:47 GMT 1, I've been making a fair few calls and there is a strong rumour of the whole Bethlehem thing being a cunning decoy.. I hear of prints being dispatched to a certain street inEast London... I'm not giving up hope of London Ghetto yet ;D Bethnal Green = Bethlehem ?? East = East London? ?? POW say check the ghetto website very carefully... I'm 90% sure of an East London Ghetto still... when this is uncovered its gonna be the scam of the century if POW really have pulled it off Thoughts gentlemen?
The Ghetto is in Palestine, honestly and simply, why are people finding it so hard to comprehend?
Read why they have done it...it's to raise awareness and to help contribute to the choked Palestinian economy...maybe people are getting confused with the Stelladore show...which the Indy quoted "the follow up to Sanats Ghetto".
I'm pretty sure this is no stunt, and for me, the idea has humbled and grounded me, it's not about the art its about the message.
Banksy - you're the fucking best!!
I've been making a fair few calls and there is a strong rumour of the whole Bethlehem thing being a cunning decoy.. I hear of prints being dispatched to a certain street inEast London... I'm not giving up hope of London Ghetto yet ;D Bethnal Green = Bethlehem ?? East = East London? ?? POW say check the ghetto website very carefully... I'm 90% sure of an East London Ghetto still... when this is uncovered its gonna be the scam of the century if POW really have pulled it off Thoughts gentlemen? The Ghetto is in Palestine, honestly and simply, why are people finding it so hard to comprehend? Read why they have done it...it's to raise awareness and to help contribute to the choked Palestinian economy...maybe people are getting confused with the Stelladore show...which the Indy quoted "the follow up to Sanats Ghetto". I'm pretty sure this is no stunt, and for me, the idea has humbled and grounded me, it's not about the art its about the message. Banksy - you're the fucking best!! |
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its a bit of a shame coz only the rich could afford to fly out too it 
unless all the locals are really on the ball 
buy whatever they can to go straight on ebay to sell to us lot back home 
