Wearology
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Wearology on May 18, 2016 20:45:47 GMT 1, Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ? This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!!
Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ? This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!!
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:48:01 GMT 1, Wearology, you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle.
Wearology, you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle.
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BKBOI
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New Os Gêmeos print, by BKBOI on May 18, 2016 20:49:38 GMT 1, Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger?
Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger?
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Coach on May 18, 2016 20:51:06 GMT 1, Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ? This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!!
Really sorry to hear this Wear.
Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ? This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!! Really sorry to hear this Wear.
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:51:08 GMT 1, Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger? Not necessarily. I've had the processor take the F/X spread twice; once going in, once going out.
Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger? Not necessarily. I've had the processor take the F/X spread twice; once going in, once going out.
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RoboJ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 20:51:09 GMT 1, I really like the piece, shame it's out of my price but I really like their work. I've been to Pryce Lees studio a few times and he has lots of their originals. Absolutely love them but just not the price for everyday art appreciaters.
I really like the piece, shame it's out of my price but I really like their work. I've been to Pryce Lees studio a few times and he has lots of their originals. Absolutely love them but just not the price for everyday art appreciaters.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:58:54 GMT 1, are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work.
are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work.
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FЯ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by FЯ on May 18, 2016 21:04:27 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Makes me laugh every time someone tries to flog a googley eyed fish as art so glad we can amuse each other. Yeah they were pretty funny. Can assure you nothing was flogged!
no sense of humour around here these days.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Makes me laugh every time someone tries to flog a googley eyed fish as art so glad we can amuse each other. Yeah they were pretty funny. Can assure you nothing was flogged! no sense of humour around here these days.
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RoboJ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 21:05:09 GMT 1, I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work.
Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how.
I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how.
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 21:05:35 GMT 1, I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:14:26 GMT 1, Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how. money does not make you a professional artist. your work does and how you carry yourself as a person.
Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how. money does not make you a professional artist. your work does and how you carry yourself as a person.
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 21:18:04 GMT 1, I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft.
Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer?
I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft.
Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer?
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RoboJ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 21:22:13 GMT 1, Back on track...
Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe?
Back on track...
Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe?
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New Os Gêmeos print, by The Origin on May 18, 2016 21:31:41 GMT 1, Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk?
Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk?
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:32:19 GMT 1, I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft. Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer?
yes....... but only in your backyard
I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft. Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer? yes....... but only in your backyard
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:33:53 GMT 1, Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel.
Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel.
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RoboJ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 21:37:23 GMT 1, Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk?
Very nice! I have a trip to the Monza F1 race so I'll make sure I take a look!
Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk? Very nice! I have a trip to the Monza F1 race so I'll make sure I take a look!
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 21:39:26 GMT 1, We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:48:53 GMT 1, "That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the world and the topics they explore, rarely if ever, consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. A lot of Urban artists on the other hand...
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the world and the topics they explore, rarely if ever, consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. A lot of Urban artists on the other hand...
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New Os Gêmeos print, by sin on May 18, 2016 21:54:28 GMT 1, I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the worls and the topics they explore, rarely if ever consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. Urban artists on the other hand... there is a strata here.
i'll use 2 studio mates who I love and collect.
1. fits one end of the spectrum. not business focused. paints to explore his reality, our collective reality etc.
2. the other is absolutely a business person. he understand how to develop is career strategically. he understands how to seek out opportunity, price his work,etc.
neither is better or worse than the other. they are both great artists.
I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the worls and the topics they explore, rarely if ever consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. Urban artists on the other hand... there is a strata here. i'll use 2 studio mates who I love and collect. 1. fits one end of the spectrum. not business focused. paints to explore his reality, our collective reality etc. 2. the other is absolutely a business person. he understand how to develop is career strategically. he understands how to seek out opportunity, price his work,etc. neither is better or worse than the other. they are both great artists.
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BKBOI
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New Os Gêmeos print, by BKBOI on May 18, 2016 21:55:18 GMT 1, Yes 11. 99prints work with Seth (Enter the vortex), JR,....and many others artists...IT is a great factory with a very good job!!
you are probably talking about Idem. Seth released his print through print them all.
Yes 11. 99prints work with Seth (Enter the vortex), JR,....and many others artists...IT is a great factory with a very good job!! you are probably talking about Idem. Seth released his print through print them all.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Lroy on May 18, 2016 23:07:37 GMT 1, yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea... i was thinking a nose hair trimmer!
Did we met us ? How did you know ?;-)
yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea... i was thinking a nose hair trimmer! Did we met us ? How did you know ?;-)
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New Os Gêmeos print, by eschiff on May 19, 2016 0:00:36 GMT 1, I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the world and the topics they explore, rarely if ever, consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. A lot of Urban artists on the other hand...
Interesting nuart do you consider any of the artists you represent and sell real artists then?
I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the world and the topics they explore, rarely if ever, consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. A lot of Urban artists on the other hand... Interesting nuart do you consider any of the artists you represent and sell real artists then?
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New Os Gêmeos print, by anodyne13 on May 19, 2016 1:22:54 GMT 1, Regarding the price, its kind of funny that people (myself included on occasion) complain about the price of artwork like artists should do us a favor and allow it to be accessible. You'd never complain about not being able to afford a BMW like the company has some sort of obligation to the consumer to make affordable products. Art is a luxury item. Only the rich will be able to afford blue chip artwork. Thats a simple principle we all seem to forget in this day and age of endless print releases.
This should be written down for future reference every time someone complains about pricing being "too high" especially for sold out editions. If it sells out pricing is not too high. The only possible argument is that pricing was too low. Whether or not a print is "worth it" at a particular price is a completely subjective determination based on many factors including your level of disposable income and your level of appreciation for the work.
Regarding the price, its kind of funny that people (myself included on occasion) complain about the price of artwork like artists should do us a favor and allow it to be accessible. You'd never complain about not being able to afford a BMW like the company has some sort of obligation to the consumer to make affordable products. Art is a luxury item. Only the rich will be able to afford blue chip artwork. Thats a simple principle we all seem to forget in this day and age of endless print releases.
This should be written down for future reference every time someone complains about pricing being "too high" especially for sold out editions. If it sells out pricing is not too high. The only possible argument is that pricing was too low. Whether or not a print is "worth it" at a particular price is a completely subjective determination based on many factors including your level of disposable income and your level of appreciation for the work.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by lee3 on May 19, 2016 3:10:07 GMT 1, We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. Hey bud, hope you're well. Your point is taken but worth noting that Monet was a very wealthy man in his lifetime. His art sold well, he was an adept stock investor and his home and gardens about an hour outside of Paris are quite special. He even micromanaged the small army of gardeners to set up each parcel for his paintings. Quite something to see if you ever have the opportunity.
I like your comment about the view through economics. It's makes you think but even for the diehard art lovers (and i count myself among them), it gets really tough to ignore that phenomenon. Take the enormous untitled Basquiat that sold last week for ~$54 million and yes this is an extreme example but it's one that has taken place during many of our lifetimes.
It previously sold just a dozen years ago for ~$4.5 million and consider further that it sold in '82 for almost certainly less than $10k (probably less than 5) and the artist received a fraction of that at the time. That means that Adam Lindemann who stuck his neck out 12 years ago to overpay for that painting to the laugher of then skeptics made exponentially more holding that painting than the artist did in his entire career. Their is risk/reward to seemingly everything these days but facts like that jump out at any observer and in many cases can be as shocking to some as the art itself. You certainly didn't need to be rich to buy it 40 years ago, but you do now. Because of stories like that I hold no animosity towards any artist/(s) trying to maximize their share on the front end. But we also have a voice in that purchasing decision too which is obvious given the length of this thread.
Congrats to those that picked up the print.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. Hey bud, hope you're well. Your point is taken but worth noting that Monet was a very wealthy man in his lifetime. His art sold well, he was an adept stock investor and his home and gardens about an hour outside of Paris are quite special. He even micromanaged the small army of gardeners to set up each parcel for his paintings. Quite something to see if you ever have the opportunity. I like your comment about the view through economics. It's makes you think but even for the diehard art lovers (and i count myself among them), it gets really tough to ignore that phenomenon. Take the enormous untitled Basquiat that sold last week for ~$54 million and yes this is an extreme example but it's one that has taken place during many of our lifetimes. It previously sold just a dozen years ago for ~$4.5 million and consider further that it sold in '82 for almost certainly less than $10k (probably less than 5) and the artist received a fraction of that at the time. That means that Adam Lindemann who stuck his neck out 12 years ago to overpay for that painting to the laugher of then skeptics made exponentially more holding that painting than the artist did in his entire career. Their is risk/reward to seemingly everything these days but facts like that jump out at any observer and in many cases can be as shocking to some as the art itself. You certainly didn't need to be rich to buy it 40 years ago, but you do now. Because of stories like that I hold no animosity towards any artist/(s) trying to maximize their share on the front end. But we also have a voice in that purchasing decision too which is obvious given the length of this thread. Congrats to those that picked up the print.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by trowel on May 19, 2016 6:10:38 GMT 1, I never understood why people like this image so much. Is there any meaning to it that I'm missing or is it just an ugly with an extra head pressing his testicle through a wall? This image much better
Sorry to bump an old part of the thread, but I would think this piece is based on the Marcel Aymé's story Le Passe-Muraille, and the bronze in Montemartre.
www.coolstuffinparis.com/le-passe-muraille.php
I never understood why people like this image so much. Is there any meaning to it that I'm missing or is it just an ugly with an extra head pressing his testicle through a wall? This image much better Sorry to bump an old part of the thread, but I would think this piece is based on the Marcel Aymé's story Le Passe-Muraille, and the bronze in Montemartre. www.coolstuffinparis.com/le-passe-muraille.php
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 19, 2016 7:02:54 GMT 1, "That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. Hey bud, hope you're well. Your point is taken but worth noting that Monet was a very wealthy man in his lifetime. His art sold well, he was an adept stock investor and his home and gardens about an hour outside of Paris are quite special. He even micromanaged the small army of gardeners to set up each parcel for his paintings. Quite something to see if you ever have the opportunity. I like your comment about the view through economics. It's makes you think but even for the diehard art lovers (and i count myself among them), it gets really tough to ignore that phenomenon. Take the enormous untitled Basquiat that sold last week for ~$54 million and yes this is an extreme example but it's one that has taken place during many of our lifetimes. It previously sold just a dozen years ago for ~$4.5 million and consider further that it sold in '82 for almost certainly less than $10k (probably less than 5) and the artist received a fraction of that at the time. That means that Adam Lindemann who stuck his neck out 12 years ago to overpay for that painting to the laugher of then skeptics made exponentially more holding that painting than the artist did in his entire career. Their is risk/reward to seemingly everything these days but facts like that jump out at any observer and in many cases can be as shocking to some as the art itself. You certainly didn't need to be rich to buy it 40 years ago, but you do now. Because of stories like that I hold no animosity towards any artist/(s) trying to maximize their share on the front end. But we also have a voice in that purchasing decision too which is obvious given the length of this thread. Congrats to those that picked up the print. you're right of course, Monet did make a living from his work but not until quite late in his career if I remember.. interestingly it was said the work was overpriced at the first Impressionist show.
"The total attendance is estimated at 3500, and some works did sell, though some exhibitors had placed their prices too high. Pissarro was asking 1000 francs for The Orchard and Monet the same for Impression: Sunrise, neither of which sold. Renoir failed to obtain the 500 francs he was asking for La Loge, but later sold it for 450 francs to Père Martin, dealer and supporter of the group"
But yeah, my point was really that the artists I know rarely if ever consider the monetary value of the art they make. It just isn't part of the process and would be weaker for it or perhaps not exist at all if they did. Sure they want to eat, drink and live from their work and many struggle to do so. But it simply isn't part of the process. Maybe later in life it becomes more important.
I think if you live and work at a level you're comfortable with, then these multi million dollar sales just become abstract, 54 million, 100 million, a billion. Meaningless really.
I'm looking at originals right now from Choe, Bast, Parla, Blu and Banksy. And it's only the Banksy that generates any real thought of monetary value.. presumably because of the ten years we've inhabited this forum, actually, it makes me think of you as much as the money;-)
Hope you're good.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. Hey bud, hope you're well. Your point is taken but worth noting that Monet was a very wealthy man in his lifetime. His art sold well, he was an adept stock investor and his home and gardens about an hour outside of Paris are quite special. He even micromanaged the small army of gardeners to set up each parcel for his paintings. Quite something to see if you ever have the opportunity. I like your comment about the view through economics. It's makes you think but even for the diehard art lovers (and i count myself among them), it gets really tough to ignore that phenomenon. Take the enormous untitled Basquiat that sold last week for ~$54 million and yes this is an extreme example but it's one that has taken place during many of our lifetimes. It previously sold just a dozen years ago for ~$4.5 million and consider further that it sold in '82 for almost certainly less than $10k (probably less than 5) and the artist received a fraction of that at the time. That means that Adam Lindemann who stuck his neck out 12 years ago to overpay for that painting to the laugher of then skeptics made exponentially more holding that painting than the artist did in his entire career. Their is risk/reward to seemingly everything these days but facts like that jump out at any observer and in many cases can be as shocking to some as the art itself. You certainly didn't need to be rich to buy it 40 years ago, but you do now. Because of stories like that I hold no animosity towards any artist/(s) trying to maximize their share on the front end. But we also have a voice in that purchasing decision too which is obvious given the length of this thread. Congrats to those that picked up the print. you're right of course, Monet did make a living from his work but not until quite late in his career if I remember.. interestingly it was said the work was overpriced at the first Impressionist show. "The total attendance is estimated at 3500, and some works did sell, though some exhibitors had placed their prices too high. Pissarro was asking 1000 francs for The Orchard and Monet the same for Impression: Sunrise, neither of which sold. Renoir failed to obtain the 500 francs he was asking for La Loge, but later sold it for 450 francs to Père Martin, dealer and supporter of the group"But yeah, my point was really that the artists I know rarely if ever consider the monetary value of the art they make. It just isn't part of the process and would be weaker for it or perhaps not exist at all if they did. Sure they want to eat, drink and live from their work and many struggle to do so. But it simply isn't part of the process. Maybe later in life it becomes more important. I think if you live and work at a level you're comfortable with, then these multi million dollar sales just become abstract, 54 million, 100 million, a billion. Meaningless really. I'm looking at originals right now from Choe, Bast, Parla, Blu and Banksy. And it's only the Banksy that generates any real thought of monetary value.. presumably because of the ten years we've inhabited this forum, actually, it makes me think of you as much as the money;-) Hope you're good.
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barryh
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New Os Gêmeos print, by barryh on May 19, 2016 9:02:56 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs.
Do you know what os Gemeos means ?
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Do you know what os Gemeos means ?
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anic
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New Os Gêmeos print, by anic on May 19, 2016 9:08:44 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Do you know what os Gemeos means ? The twins
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Do you know what os Gemeos means ? The twins
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FЯ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by FЯ on May 19, 2016 9:52:50 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Do you know what os Gemeos means ? It was a joke ffs
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Do you know what os Gemeos means ? It was a joke ffs
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