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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by chester on May 27, 2016 22:28:47 GMT 1, Nice sale will be interesting to see how those Banksys do....cheap
Nice sale will be interesting to see how those Banksys do....cheap
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on May 28, 2016 0:51:26 GMT 1, The signed LA set will definitely be interesting. First time ever a singed matching set has been auctioned.
The signed LA set will definitely be interesting. First time ever a singed matching set has been auctioned.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Deleted on May 30, 2016 11:10:01 GMT 1, Featuring another Stik Baby print.
Featuring another Stik Baby print.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by .dappy on May 30, 2016 11:21:43 GMT 1, ... OMG ... £million zillion
... OMG ... £million zillion
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Black Apple Art
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on Jun 7, 2016 23:08:09 GMT 1, Nice cross section of B pieces coming up. Will definitely be interesting.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by pklong17 on Jun 10, 2016 4:47:17 GMT 1, Looks like GWB was pulled from auction
Looks like GWB was pulled from auction
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on Jun 10, 2016 7:49:04 GMT 1, Looks like GWB was pulled from auction
Looks like GWB was pulled from auction It sold the 8th for $34,345 (unsigned) |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by pklong17 on Jun 10, 2016 13:56:01 GMT 1, Looks like GWB was pulled from auction It sold the 8th for $34,345 (unsigned)
Thank you...that clears that up.
Looks like GWB was pulled from auction It sold the 8th for $34,345 (unsigned) Thank you...that clears that up. |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Octopus UK on Jun 10, 2016 17:58:25 GMT 1, Ah, the damaged one?
Ah, the damaged one?
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by quixote on Jun 15, 2016 19:58:04 GMT 1, Just got the condition reports for all those Banksy prints being listed. Not one is in mint condition. Most have many creases, fading, hinging, staining, etc. I will upload from my computer later today for all to see.
Just got the condition reports for all those Banksy prints being listed. Not one is in mint condition. Most have many creases, fading, hinging, staining, etc. I will upload from my computer later today for all to see.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by quixote on Jun 15, 2016 22:36:38 GMT 1, Sorry, Do not have every print by Banksy being offered but here are 7 of them:
Condition Reports:
Because I'm Worthless:
Hinge-mounted at upper sheet edge verso, small crease in extreme upper right corner of sheet, 4 small soft horizontal creases in the following areas: 6cm across the tail lower left, 4cm in the lower left and right corners, 35 cm across the lower left edge of the placard, a 1.5cm soft vertical crease at the centre of upper margin, a very faint mount staining, otherwise in very good condition. Reverse of print not examined.
Grin Reaper:
Generally in good condition. Two very soft horizontal/undulations across the width of sheet, 6 and 31cm from the upper sheet edge, both only visible in raking light. An 8cm vertical crease to upper left of sheet in line with printed margin. Two very soft creases/indentations to the upper image in background, the largest 10cm and a few further softer handling creases and indentations to the sheet all only visible in raking light. A 1cm pressure mark to tip of upper and lower left corners, small pressure mark to tip of other two corners. Two very small indentations to centre sheet verso, the largest 1cm. A few light surface abrasions in black printed margins, three to left, one 10cm with some very slight pigment lost right.
Toxic Mary:
Generally in excellent condition. A 1cm soft crease to lower right sheet corner, a few surface marks to upper sheet verso, not visible recto, a 3cm paper flaw to centre of AMry's face.
Trolleys:
Generally in excellent condition. Two very soft 2cm creases to lower margin, not affecting the image area and only visible in raking light. A very soft handling crease to the centre left of image, in blue background, only visible verso in raking light.
Jack and Jill:
Generally in good condition. Very pale time and mount staining. A very small very pale fox spot to upper right extreme sheet edge and upper left margin. A 1.5cm crease to centre right image and 1cm crease to left image area both in blue of background. Two soft handling creases to blue of background and one to upper margin, each visible in raking light. A 15cm very soft linear indentation to lower sheet extending from lower right sheeted edge, in line with the margin, only visible in raking light. A 2.5 cm light surface abrasion to the top of Jack's hair, only visible in raking light, and two soft indentations above Jill's head, only visible verso. A few soft pressure marks to the left of extreme lower sheet edge, a few light surface marks verso and very few light fox spots verso most to centre of left margin, none visible recto.
Stop and Search:
Generally in very good condition. Three smaller areas of skinning to upper sheet edge verso, circa 1 x 3cm, not visible recto. Two 5cm handling creases in upper sheet and a 3cm handling crease in lower right sheet, none affecting the image area. Three very pale patches of browning to right of extreme upper sheet edge; a small, circa 1 x 2cm light surface mark to lower left sheet neither affecting the image area. A very pale surface mark to lower left sheet verso, not visible recto.
CND Soldiers:
Generally in excellent condition. A 3cm very soft handling crease to centre sheet, only visible in raking light.
Sorry, Do not have every print by Banksy being offered but here are 7 of them:
Condition Reports:
Because I'm Worthless:
Hinge-mounted at upper sheet edge verso, small crease in extreme upper right corner of sheet, 4 small soft horizontal creases in the following areas: 6cm across the tail lower left, 4cm in the lower left and right corners, 35 cm across the lower left edge of the placard, a 1.5cm soft vertical crease at the centre of upper margin, a very faint mount staining, otherwise in very good condition. Reverse of print not examined.
Grin Reaper:
Generally in good condition. Two very soft horizontal/undulations across the width of sheet, 6 and 31cm from the upper sheet edge, both only visible in raking light. An 8cm vertical crease to upper left of sheet in line with printed margin. Two very soft creases/indentations to the upper image in background, the largest 10cm and a few further softer handling creases and indentations to the sheet all only visible in raking light. A 1cm pressure mark to tip of upper and lower left corners, small pressure mark to tip of other two corners. Two very small indentations to centre sheet verso, the largest 1cm. A few light surface abrasions in black printed margins, three to left, one 10cm with some very slight pigment lost right.
Toxic Mary:
Generally in excellent condition. A 1cm soft crease to lower right sheet corner, a few surface marks to upper sheet verso, not visible recto, a 3cm paper flaw to centre of AMry's face.
Trolleys:
Generally in excellent condition. Two very soft 2cm creases to lower margin, not affecting the image area and only visible in raking light. A very soft handling crease to the centre left of image, in blue background, only visible verso in raking light.
Jack and Jill:
Generally in good condition. Very pale time and mount staining. A very small very pale fox spot to upper right extreme sheet edge and upper left margin. A 1.5cm crease to centre right image and 1cm crease to left image area both in blue of background. Two soft handling creases to blue of background and one to upper margin, each visible in raking light. A 15cm very soft linear indentation to lower sheet extending from lower right sheeted edge, in line with the margin, only visible in raking light. A 2.5 cm light surface abrasion to the top of Jack's hair, only visible in raking light, and two soft indentations above Jill's head, only visible verso. A few soft pressure marks to the left of extreme lower sheet edge, a few light surface marks verso and very few light fox spots verso most to centre of left margin, none visible recto.
Stop and Search:
Generally in very good condition. Three smaller areas of skinning to upper sheet edge verso, circa 1 x 3cm, not visible recto. Two 5cm handling creases in upper sheet and a 3cm handling crease in lower right sheet, none affecting the image area. Three very pale patches of browning to right of extreme upper sheet edge; a small, circa 1 x 2cm light surface mark to lower left sheet neither affecting the image area. A very pale surface mark to lower left sheet verso, not visible recto.
CND Soldiers:
Generally in excellent condition. A 3cm very soft handling crease to centre sheet, only visible in raking light.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Howard Johnson on Jun 15, 2016 22:56:40 GMT 1, I feel like selling so many damaged prints is terrible form by bonhams. How hard is it to find mint banksys? They sell every day here on the forum. If Your gonna pay a huge markup to buy from a blue chip auction house you should rightly expect only the upmost of quality.
I feel like selling so many damaged prints is terrible form by bonhams. How hard is it to find mint banksys? They sell every day here on the forum. If Your gonna pay a huge markup to buy from a blue chip auction house you should rightly expect only the upmost of quality.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on Jun 15, 2016 23:02:18 GMT 1, I feel like selling so many damaged prints is terrible form by bonhams. How hard is it to find mint banksys? They sell every day here on the forum. If Your gonna pay a huge markup to buy from a blue chip auction house you should rightly expect only the upmost of quality.
I feel like selling so many damaged prints is terrible form by bonhams. How hard is it to find mint banksys? They sell every day here on the forum. If Your gonna pay a huge markup to buy from a blue chip auction house you should rightly expect only the upmost of quality. You'd be surprised how few "perfect" B prints are out there. |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 23:14:56 GMT 1, I feel like selling so many damaged prints is terrible form by bonhams. How hard is it to find mint banksys? They sell every day here on the forum. If Your gonna pay a huge markup to buy from a blue chip auction house you should rightly expect only the upmost of quality.
I think it's at least refreshing to see a quality professional condition report. A good conservationist will offer this service at a fair price. I wouldn't say "Mint" Banksy prints are sold everyday on here. "Mint" is unfortunately so highly subjective and many that are said to be "mint" are in fact not even close upon actual inspection (not all mind you but many that I have come across in my searches). For context I collected comic books for many years CGC is the most respected and well known grading standard, although there are a few others that don't command the premium that CGC does. They are on a 10 point scale with .5 each number until the 9s which is then every .2
That is getting a bit nerdy but I wish there was more of a grading standard for some of these prints as well.
I feel like selling so many damaged prints is terrible form by bonhams. How hard is it to find mint banksys? They sell every day here on the forum. If Your gonna pay a huge markup to buy from a blue chip auction house you should rightly expect only the upmost of quality. I think it's at least refreshing to see a quality professional condition report. A good conservationist will offer this service at a fair price. I wouldn't say "Mint" Banksy prints are sold everyday on here. "Mint" is unfortunately so highly subjective and many that are said to be "mint" are in fact not even close upon actual inspection (not all mind you but many that I have come across in my searches). For context I collected comic books for many years CGC is the most respected and well known grading standard, although there are a few others that don't command the premium that CGC does. They are on a 10 point scale with .5 each number until the 9s which is then every .2 That is getting a bit nerdy but I wish there was more of a grading standard for some of these prints as well. |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 23:16:35 GMT 1, whoa, raking lights, just googled them
Does your banksy pass the raking light test? :-)
whoa, raking lights, just googled them
Does your banksy pass the raking light test? :-)
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 23:24:42 GMT 1, whoa, raking lights, just googled them Does your banksy pass the raking light test? :-)
Actually a really great way to check for or indicate soft creases if your only reference point is a photo and you can't see it in person.
whoa, raking lights, just googled them Does your banksy pass the raking light test? :-) Actually a really great way to check for or indicate soft creases if your only reference point is a photo and you can't see it in person. |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Zanda on Jun 15, 2016 23:28:19 GMT 1, Raking light, the illumination of objects from a light source at an oblique angle or almost parallel to the surface, provides information on the surface topography and relief of the artefact thus lit. It is widely used in the examination of works of art.
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Raking light, the illumination of objects from a light source at an oblique angle or almost parallel to the surface, provides information on the surface topography and relief of the artefact thus lit. It is widely used in the examination of works of art.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Balboa on Jun 22, 2016 16:54:02 GMT 1, Because I'm worthless £15,625
Grin Reaper £11,875
Toxic Mary £10,000
Nola AP £30,000
All including buyer's premium.
Because I'm worthless £15,625
Grin Reaper £11,875
Toxic Mary £10,000
Nola AP £30,000
All including buyer's premium.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Balboa on Jun 22, 2016 16:57:49 GMT 1, Barely Legal LA set - passed at £55,000
Colour Trolleys £15,000
Police Kids £13,750
Stop & Search £31,250
Flying Copper £20,000
CND £17,500
Weston Super Mare £13,750
All including buyer's premium.
Barely Legal LA set - passed at £55,000
Colour Trolleys £15,000
Police Kids £13,750
Stop & Search £31,250
Flying Copper £20,000
CND £17,500
Weston Super Mare £13,750
All including buyer's premium.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by quixote on Jun 22, 2016 17:03:29 GMT 1, results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax.
Because I'm worthless: £12.5k
Reaper: £9.5k
Toxic Mary: £8k
Nola: £24k
LA Set: not sold
Trolleys: £12k
Police Kids: £11k
Stop & Search: £25k
Flying Copper: £16k
CND: £14k
WSM: £11k
I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint.
results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax.
Because I'm worthless: £12.5k
Reaper: £9.5k
Toxic Mary: £8k
Nola: £24k
LA Set: not sold
Trolleys: £12k
Police Kids: £11k
Stop & Search: £25k
Flying Copper: £16k
CND: £14k
WSM: £11k
I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by WILLYBKLN on Jun 22, 2016 17:41:47 GMT 1, For us here in the States, if you add in the extra 34% in fees on top of hammer, INSANE.
For us here in the States, if you add in the extra 34% in fees on top of hammer, INSANE.
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on Jun 22, 2016 17:45:39 GMT 1, results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint.
results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint. Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by mawge on Jun 22, 2016 17:50:20 GMT 1, Very strong results considering a lot were framed with condition issues
Very strong results considering a lot were framed with condition issues
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Unica on Jun 22, 2016 17:50:57 GMT 1, results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint. Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive.
results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint. Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Agreed you have to include the fees to accurately record the prices paid. That being said what are the fees for USA buyers at a UK auction house? Is it more less than if one was a UK resident? Do UK buyers pay VAT on top of the hammer price? |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 17:59:03 GMT 1, results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint.
Wow......
results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint. Wow...... |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on Jun 22, 2016 17:59:23 GMT 1, Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Agreed you have to include the fees to accurately record the prices paid. That being said what are the fees for USA buyers at a UK auction house? Is it more less than if one was a UK resident? Do UK buyers pay VAT on top of the hammer price?
S&S killed it at $46k.. know they are in high demand and rising but that was definitely a record.
Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Agreed you have to include the fees to accurately record the prices paid. That being said what are the fees for USA buyers at a UK auction house? Is it more less than if one was a UK resident? Do UK buyers pay VAT on top of the hammer price? Foreign buyers do not pay VAT but may be subject to duties when importing depending on where they are which is why this is not calculated in the posted sales price. S&S killed it at $46k.. know they are in high demand and rising but that was definitely a record. |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by quixote on Jun 22, 2016 18:00:58 GMT 1, Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Agreed you have to include the fees to accurately record the prices paid. That being said what are the fees for USA buyers at a UK auction house? Is it more less than if one was a UK resident? Do UK buyers pay VAT on top of the hammer price?
Fees for the USA is about 34% plus the artist resale right percentage. Also shipping cost! Haha
Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Agreed you have to include the fees to accurately record the prices paid. That being said what are the fees for USA buyers at a UK auction house? Is it more less than if one was a UK resident? Do UK buyers pay VAT on top of the hammer price? Fees for the USA is about 34% plus the artist resale right percentage. Also shipping cost! Haha |
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Black Apple Art on Jun 22, 2016 18:01:58 GMT 1, What was actually paid in $
Nola Grey Rain $44k
Because I'm Worthless Rat $23k
Grin Reaper $17k
Toxic Mary $14.6k
Color Trolleys $22k
GWB unsigned $34.8k
Jack & Jill $20k
Stop & Search $46k
Flying Copper $30k
CND Soldiers $25.7k
Weston Super Mare $20k
What was actually paid in $
Nola Grey Rain $44k
Because I'm Worthless Rat $23k
Grin Reaper $17k
Toxic Mary $14.6k
Color Trolleys $22k
GWB unsigned $34.8k
Jack & Jill $20k
Stop & Search $46k
Flying Copper $30k
CND Soldiers $25.7k
Weston Super Mare $20k
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Bonhams 22nd June Prints & Multiples, by Loobaz on Jun 22, 2016 18:19:33 GMT 1, results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint. Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive.
Should you not also show the prices achieved by the sellers (Hammer minus Seller Premiums and any other fees)? Otherwise that can be deceptive, as well.
results for Banksy:all excluding 25% premium and resale right and tax. Because I'm worthless: £12.5k Reaper: £9.5k Toxic Mary: £8k Nola: £24k LA Set: not sold Trolleys: £12k Police Kids: £11k Stop & Search: £25k Flying Copper: £16k CND: £14k WSM: £11k I'm shocked at those results, some were really high for prints that weren't mint. Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Should you not also show the prices achieved by the sellers (Hammer minus Seller Premiums and any other fees)? Otherwise that can be deceptive, as well. |
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