nex
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Art Wanted, by nex on Aug 3, 2017 13:29:05 GMT 1, It's well known wcp is an artist on here, who's own original work is a poor rip off of Banksys, hence why they've gone down the route of actually creating poor copies of banksys work.
It's well known wcp is an artist on here, who's own original work is a poor rip off of Banksys, hence why they've gone down the route of actually creating poor copies of banksys work.
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Masong
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Art Wanted, by Masong on Aug 3, 2017 13:37:19 GMT 1, Imagine for one second...please...that instead of 3D, WCP WAS BANKSY AND THESE PRINTS ARE AUTHENTIC. Haha
I've often thought the same thing as have others. The prints are priced similar to way back in the day but considering they are all meant to be taken from original prints thers is always something slightly different on the wcp copies. I think that is massively done on purpose and not just an oversight or bad reproducing. Maybe this is to cover themselves or just so people really can tell from the front they are fakes.. I know it's frowned upon by a lot of people being copies but people have had copies of most famous artworks on their walls throughout the generations why would people not do the same with a modern artist. I mean that Mona Lisa , she's everywhere. Oh and yes I do own a wcp but not all the wall. I bought it just incase it came out they were real ๐ Joke!
Imagine for one second...please...that instead of 3D, WCP WAS BANKSY AND THESE PRINTS ARE AUTHENTIC. Haha I've often thought the same thing as have others. The prints are priced similar to way back in the day but considering they are all meant to be taken from original prints thers is always something slightly different on the wcp copies. I think that is massively done on purpose and not just an oversight or bad reproducing. Maybe this is to cover themselves or just so people really can tell from the front they are fakes.. I know it's frowned upon by a lot of people being copies but people have had copies of most famous artworks on their walls throughout the generations why would people not do the same with a modern artist. I mean that Mona Lisa , she's everywhere. Oh and yes I do own a wcp but not all the wall. I bought it just incase it came out they were real ๐ Joke!
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Art Wanted, by Lroy on Aug 3, 2017 13:55:50 GMT 1, Kinda funny that the mug/forum member doing these, like the images so much he uses the proceeds to adorn his walls with the real thing. I'm sure the smarter members could join the dots on that fuzzy logic Hi S. My friend !!! How are you ? Fine I guess ! So, if we wanted to make our Holmes and Watson, it would mean that the man has a big Banksy collection( or still continue to buy some ). Maybe that's why he did not put at his Eb-birth all the bansky prints that could exist... We should mette us/him to make an investigation before Brexit break shipping for France !
ps : What I can say it that the shipping is awsome : I bought The dog HM, this was have benne sent flat betwwoon woods pal ! Incredible no ? For only 20 quids
Kinda funny that the mug/forum member doing these, like the images so much he uses the proceeds to adorn his walls with the real thing. I'm sure the smarter members could join the dots on that fuzzy logic Hi S. My friend !!! How are you ? Fine I guess ! So, if we wanted to make our Holmes and Watson, it would mean that the man has a big Banksy collection( or still continue to buy some ). Maybe that's why he did not put at his Eb-birth all the bansky prints that could exist... We should mette us/him to make an investigation before Brexit break shipping for France ! ps : What I can say it that the shipping is awsome : I bought The dog HM, this was have benne sent flat betwwoon woods pal ! Incredible no ? For only 20 quids
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 13:57:00 GMT 1, If I am a fan of Banksy's artwork and I can't afford an original screenprint by him, it would seem, according to some, that I am out of luck if I wanted to hang his work in my home. I have read here that at some point Banksy put up high-resolution images of some/all (don't know) of his art for the less fortunate to print out in their own. Of course, I only know that because I happen to frequent this forum (aka small % of the population) and it still doesn't mean I actually have those high- resolution images because I don't see them up on his site currently. If I am missing them and they are still available directly from him/his people or if I was lucky enough to find a generous member on this forum who was around at the time and was willing to share them with me, I'm still limited to printing them myself. The quality and size will be limited to how nice of a printer I have or can afford to buy. For arguments sake, I do not have/can not afford a printer that prints larger than letter size and the quality is lacking to say the least. Is it okay to get someone else to print it for me and is it okay if I have to pay them to do so? Would it be okay for me to use the images provided to create my own screenprint of the image? If i didn't have the tools/skills required to make a decent screenprint for myself, could i pay someone to do it for me? If WCP only created these on commission and didn't number them, would it be more acceptable to those who don't like what he does?
If I am a fan of Banksy's artwork and I can't afford an original screenprint by him, it would seem, according to some, that I am out of luck if I wanted to hang his work in my home. I have read here that at some point Banksy put up high-resolution images of some/all (don't know) of his art for the less fortunate to print out in their own. Of course, I only know that because I happen to frequent this forum (aka small % of the population) and it still doesn't mean I actually have those high- resolution images because I don't see them up on his site currently. If I am missing them and they are still available directly from him/his people or if I was lucky enough to find a generous member on this forum who was around at the time and was willing to share them with me, I'm still limited to printing them myself. The quality and size will be limited to how nice of a printer I have or can afford to buy. For arguments sake, I do not have/can not afford a printer that prints larger than letter size and the quality is lacking to say the least. Is it okay to get someone else to print it for me and is it okay if I have to pay them to do so? Would it be okay for me to use the images provided to create my own screenprint of the image? If i didn't have the tools/skills required to make a decent screenprint for myself, could i pay someone to do it for me? If WCP only created these on commission and didn't number them, would it be more acceptable to those who don't like what he does?
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Aug 3, 2017 14:01:55 GMT 1, If I am a fan of Banksy's artwork and I can't afford an original screenprint by him, it would seem, according to some, that I am out of luck if I wanted to hang his work in my home. I have read here that at some point Banksy put up high-resolution images of some/all (don't know) of his art for the less fortunate to print out in their own. Of course, I only know that because I happen to frequent this forum (aka small % of the population) and it still doesn't mean I actually have those high- resolution images because I don't see them up on his site currently. If I am missing them and they are still available directly from him/his people or if I was lucky enough to find a generous member on this forum who was around at the time and was willing to share them with me, I'm still limited to printing them myself. The quality and size will be limited to how nice of a printer I have or can afford to buy. For arguments sake, I do not have/can not afford a printer that prints larger than letter size and the quality is lacking to say the least. Is it okay to get someone else to print it for me and is it okay if I have to pay them to do so? Would it be okay for me to use the images provided to create my own screenprint of the image? If i didn't have the tools/skills required to make a decent screenprint for myself, could i pay someone to do it for me? If WCP only created these on commission and didn't number them, would it be more acceptable to those who don't like what he does? But why not buy an official Banksy poster? There's plenty to be had at reasonable prices.
If I am a fan of Banksy's artwork and I can't afford an original screenprint by him, it would seem, according to some, that I am out of luck if I wanted to hang his work in my home. I have read here that at some point Banksy put up high-resolution images of some/all (don't know) of his art for the less fortunate to print out in their own. Of course, I only know that because I happen to frequent this forum (aka small % of the population) and it still doesn't mean I actually have those high- resolution images because I don't see them up on his site currently. If I am missing them and they are still available directly from him/his people or if I was lucky enough to find a generous member on this forum who was around at the time and was willing to share them with me, I'm still limited to printing them myself. The quality and size will be limited to how nice of a printer I have or can afford to buy. For arguments sake, I do not have/can not afford a printer that prints larger than letter size and the quality is lacking to say the least. Is it okay to get someone else to print it for me and is it okay if I have to pay them to do so? Would it be okay for me to use the images provided to create my own screenprint of the image? If i didn't have the tools/skills required to make a decent screenprint for myself, could i pay someone to do it for me? If WCP only created these on commission and didn't number them, would it be more acceptable to those who don't like what he does? But why not buy an official Banksy poster? There's plenty to be had at reasonable prices.
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 14:36:07 GMT 1, You're referring to the 3 show posters on POW? Ignoring the fact that one would be limited to an incredibly small amount of his work to display (none of which is iconic Banksy), they are still just regular glossy posters from a show most of the population didn't attend.
You're referring to the 3 show posters on POW? Ignoring the fact that one would be limited to an incredibly small amount of his work to display (none of which is iconic Banksy), they are still just regular glossy posters from a show most of the population didn't attend.
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Aug 3, 2017 14:45:45 GMT 1, You're referring to the 3 show posters on POW? Ignoring the fact that one would be limited to an incredibly small amount of his work to display (none of which is iconic Banksy), they are still just regular glossy posters from a show most of the population didn't attend. Plus official Exit film posters in various designs and sizes, the open edition lithos for a little more cash (Monkey parliament, soup cans, petrol bomb), 2 Don't panic posters, sleaze nation "have a nice day" poster, green peace poster, large size official stickers...
There's not a shortage of options if you want a real Banksy for a lot less than an official print.
You're referring to the 3 show posters on POW? Ignoring the fact that one would be limited to an incredibly small amount of his work to display (none of which is iconic Banksy), they are still just regular glossy posters from a show most of the population didn't attend. Plus official Exit film posters in various designs and sizes, the open edition lithos for a little more cash (Monkey parliament, soup cans, petrol bomb), 2 Don't panic posters, sleaze nation "have a nice day" poster, green peace poster, large size official stickers... There's not a shortage of options if you want a real Banksy for a lot less than an official print.
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mla
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Art Wanted, by mla on Aug 3, 2017 15:27:27 GMT 1, Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing?
"I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods.
Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing?
"I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods.
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Art Wanted, by WOOF on Aug 3, 2017 17:33:04 GMT 1, It may be an unpopular opinion, but outside of the kind of people that visit this website, no one in the world would care if the print on your wall is a banksy or a wcp.
It may be an unpopular opinion, but outside of the kind of people that visit this website, no one in the world would care if the print on your wall is a banksy or a wcp.
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 17:33:24 GMT 1, Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing? "I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods.
I do not think I am entitled to own any of his work. I was simply pointing out the lack of options there were to enjoy his work if you weren't in a position to own a piece of his work and aksing if there were any adjustments to WCP's practices that could me made where it would more morally acceptable to someone like yourself. I also did not state you should support the production of counterfeits and bootlegs. I am looking to find if there is a way one can enjoy the work of Banksy on their walls and not impose on your moral standards.
Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing? "I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods. I do not think I am entitled to own any of his work. I was simply pointing out the lack of options there were to enjoy his work if you weren't in a position to own a piece of his work and aksing if there were any adjustments to WCP's practices that could me made where it would more morally acceptable to someone like yourself. I also did not state you should support the production of counterfeits and bootlegs. I am looking to find if there is a way one can enjoy the work of Banksy on their walls and not impose on your moral standards.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 17:52:11 GMT 1, It may be an unpopular opinion, but outside of the kind of people that visit this website, no one in the world would care if the print on your wall is a banksy or a wcp.
They may not realise the difference. But it's up to the owner whether they leave a visitor with the impression that they have a real Banksy on the wall, or point out that it's not real.
It may be an unpopular opinion, but outside of the kind of people that visit this website, no one in the world would care if the print on your wall is a banksy or a wcp. They may not realise the difference. But it's up to the owner whether they leave a visitor with the impression that they have a real Banksy on the wall, or point out that it's not real.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 17:55:40 GMT 1, Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing? "I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods. I do not think I am entitled to own any of his work. I was simply pointing out the lack of options there were to enjoy his work if you weren't in a position to own a piece of his work and aksing if there were any adjustments to WCP's practices that could me made where it would more morally acceptable to someone like yourself. I also did not state you should support the production of counterfeits and bootlegs. I am looking to find if there is a way one can enjoy the work of Banksy on their walls and not impose on your moral standards.
It's a fair question. Lots of posters to be had for reasonable prices. Perhaps this excludes petrol bomb and monkey parliament at the moment. But Bristol museum posters, barely legal, cans, time out etc are all reasonable prices I believe. Stickers too look good framed. For a little more, a di-faced tenner looks fabulous framed. Beware of fakes with all of the above, though.
Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing? "I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods. I do not think I am entitled to own any of his work. I was simply pointing out the lack of options there were to enjoy his work if you weren't in a position to own a piece of his work and aksing if there were any adjustments to WCP's practices that could me made where it would more morally acceptable to someone like yourself. I also did not state you should support the production of counterfeits and bootlegs. I am looking to find if there is a way one can enjoy the work of Banksy on their walls and not impose on your moral standards. It's a fair question. Lots of posters to be had for reasonable prices. Perhaps this excludes petrol bomb and monkey parliament at the moment. But Bristol museum posters, barely legal, cans, time out etc are all reasonable prices I believe. Stickers too look good framed. For a little more, a di-faced tenner looks fabulous framed. Beware of fakes with all of the above, though.
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mouser
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Art Wanted, by mouser on Aug 3, 2017 17:56:05 GMT 1, Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing? "I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods. I do not think I am entitled to own any of his work. I was simply pointing out the lack of options there were to enjoy his work if you weren't in a position to own a piece of his work and aksing if there were any adjustments to WCP's practices that could me made where it would more morally acceptable to someone like yourself. I also did not state you should support the production of counterfeits and bootlegs. I am looking to find if there is a way one can enjoy the work of Banksy on their walls and not impose on your moral standards. Banksy's website had hi res images which he states are free for reproduction, if anyone really wanted a cheap banksy images, download from his site, take to instaprint or some such equivalent and print out for a fraction of the cost of a WCP print. But then again..... nothing to do with people buying WCP to pretend they have a legit Banksy on their wall.....
Why do you think you are entitled to own an iconic piece of an in demand artist's work for next to nothing? "I can't afford the real thing" is not a valid excuse to support the parasites who create counterfeit or replica goods. I do not think I am entitled to own any of his work. I was simply pointing out the lack of options there were to enjoy his work if you weren't in a position to own a piece of his work and aksing if there were any adjustments to WCP's practices that could me made where it would more morally acceptable to someone like yourself. I also did not state you should support the production of counterfeits and bootlegs. I am looking to find if there is a way one can enjoy the work of Banksy on their walls and not impose on your moral standards. Banksy's website had hi res images which he states are free for reproduction, if anyone really wanted a cheap banksy images, download from his site, take to instaprint or some such equivalent and print out for a fraction of the cost of a WCP print. But then again..... nothing to do with people buying WCP to pretend they have a legit Banksy on their wall.....
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 18:16:32 GMT 1, You must have missed my earlier post where I addressed this option. To begin, do you have that link so I can download those images and would it be ok for me to use those images to create my own screenprint instead of out of my printer? If not, what is the reasoning and if so, would it be ok to pay someone for their time, skill, tools, and materials and have them make it for me?
You must have missed my earlier post where I addressed this option. To begin, do you have that link so I can download those images and would it be ok for me to use those images to create my own screenprint instead of out of my printer? If not, what is the reasoning and if so, would it be ok to pay someone for their time, skill, tools, and materials and have them make it for me?
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mla
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Art Wanted, by mla on Aug 3, 2017 18:28:48 GMT 1, Play around with this: web.archive.org/web/20130406094332/http://www.banksy.co.uk:80/shop/shop21.html
The link also features the relevant quote: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use. However, making your own art or merchandise and passing it off as โofficialโ or authentic Banksy artwork is bad and very wrong."
As for the rest, I'm not so sure why this is so hard to understand. WCP is mass producing work he doesn't own and is making a profit off it. For you to print the image at home for your personal use would not be a problem.
Play around with this: web.archive.org/web/20130406094332/http://www.banksy.co.uk:80/shop/shop21.htmlThe link also features the relevant quote: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use. However, making your own art or merchandise and passing it off as โofficialโ or authentic Banksy artwork is bad and very wrong." As for the rest, I'm not so sure why this is so hard to understand. WCP is mass producing work he doesn't own and is making a profit off it. For you to print the image at home for your personal use would not be a problem.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 18:30:55 GMT 1, Poor people don't deserve to enjoy Banksy. Got it.
That's certainly not the point I was trying to make. I can't afford a Banksy print anymore.
Poor people don't deserve to enjoy Banksy. Got it. That's certainly not the point I was trying to make. I can't afford a Banksy print anymore.
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 18:48:29 GMT 1, Play around with this: web.archive.org/web/20130406094332/http://www.banksy.co.uk:80/shop/shop21.htmlThe link also features the relevant quote: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use. However, making your own art or merchandise and passing it off as โofficialโ or authentic Banksy artwork is bad and very wrong." As for the rest, I'm not so sure why this is so hard to understand. WCP is mass producing work he doesn't own and is making a profit off it. For you to print the image at home for your personal use would not be a problem.
Awesome; thanks for the link! I think the inclusion of "passing it off as 'oficial' or authentic Banksy artwork" is where the debate arises. He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong. Is the issue you have with his mass production of them? I asked in a previous post, but what would you think of him creating them strictly on commission?
Play around with this: web.archive.org/web/20130406094332/http://www.banksy.co.uk:80/shop/shop21.htmlThe link also features the relevant quote: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use. However, making your own art or merchandise and passing it off as โofficialโ or authentic Banksy artwork is bad and very wrong." As for the rest, I'm not so sure why this is so hard to understand. WCP is mass producing work he doesn't own and is making a profit off it. For you to print the image at home for your personal use would not be a problem. Awesome; thanks for the link! I think the inclusion of "passing it off as 'oficial' or authentic Banksy artwork" is where the debate arises. He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong. Is the issue you have with his mass production of them? I asked in a previous post, but what would you think of him creating them strictly on commission?
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Art Wanted, by k2 on Aug 3, 2017 19:05:29 GMT 1, The link also features the relevant quote: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use.... " He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong.... WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain.
The link also features the relevant quote: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use.... " He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong.... WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain.
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 19:12:08 GMT 1, He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong.... WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain.
His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions.
He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong.... WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Aug 3, 2017 19:12:27 GMT 1, He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong.... WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. If that was true I would wonder why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? I suspect they would still sell pretty well.
He is not trying to pass his prints off as authentic or official and specifically addresses that in the listing and on the physical print itself, so it would lead one to think he is not doing what Banksy has deemed bad and very wrong.... WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. If that was true I would wonder why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? I suspect they would still sell pretty well.
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Art Wanted, by avec art on Aug 3, 2017 19:15:59 GMT 1, His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters.
His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters.
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Art Wanted, by mla on Aug 3, 2017 19:21:58 GMT 1, WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Did you not actually read the quote? It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use:
"You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."
WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Did you not actually read the quote? It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."
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Art Wanted, by WOOF on Aug 3, 2017 19:24:33 GMT 1, His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Did you not actually read the quote? It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use." Well, he is personally using them... he's just personally using them to make money.
His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Did you not actually read the quote? It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."Well, he is personally using them... he's just personally using them to make money.
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Art Wanted, by Masong on Aug 3, 2017 19:27:24 GMT 1, His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters.
I'm sure all of the Banksy experts would know the difference from the front even without the stamp on the back
His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters. I'm sure all of the Banksy experts would know the difference from the front even without the stamp on the back
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 19:30:08 GMT 1, His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters.
I guess it would, but we would be moving the goal post at that point. I am trying to make the point that since he isn't passing them off as official and has them labeled as reproductions, he isn't violating Banksy's request, whereas you just proposed that if he did sell one or more and didn't label them as reproductions, then what? Do I still maintain the same position: that he isn't violating Banksy's request? No, I do not, because you have changed the entire premise of the argument.
His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters. I guess it would, but we would be moving the goal post at that point. I am trying to make the point that since he isn't passing them off as official and has them labeled as reproductions, he isn't violating Banksy's request, whereas you just proposed that if he did sell one or more and didn't label them as reproductions, then what? Do I still maintain the same position: that he isn't violating Banksy's request? No, I do not, because you have changed the entire premise of the argument.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 19:31:45 GMT 1, His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Did you not actually read the quote? ย It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."
Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me?
His quote doesn't mention anything about whether the printing is done for personal use or personal gain and neither did mine. It seems as you have an issue with him gaining something from it, not Banksy. It says don't pass it off as official. Bootleggers and counterfeiters create copies to fool people into thinking they are buying authentic goods. These are created as reproductions and sold as reproductions. Did you not actually read the quote? ย It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me?
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Art Wanted, by mla on Aug 3, 2017 19:47:10 GMT 1, Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters. I guess it would, but we would be moving the goal post at that point. I am trying to make the point that since he isn't passing them off as official and has them labeled as reproductions, he isn't violating Banksy's request, whereas you just proposed that if he did sell one or more and didn't label them as reproductions, then what? Do I still maintain the same position: that he isn't violating Banksy's request? No, I do not, because you have changed the entire premise of the argument.
You are ignoring the "personal use" portion of the quote, which renders your position on the matter invalid.
Did you not actually read the quote? It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me?
Should you be able to take it to a printer to create one copy for yourself? Yes, although any self respecting printer will likely not agree to print an artist's work without their direct permission.
Until a bootlegger like this is offered twice the amount for one without the stamp on the back. Doesn't that then muddy the waters. I guess it would, but we would be moving the goal post at that point. I am trying to make the point that since he isn't passing them off as official and has them labeled as reproductions, he isn't violating Banksy's request, whereas you just proposed that if he did sell one or more and didn't label them as reproductions, then what? Do I still maintain the same position: that he isn't violating Banksy's request? No, I do not, because you have changed the entire premise of the argument. You are ignoring the "personal use" portion of the quote, which renders your position on the matter invalid. Did you not actually read the quote? It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me? Should you be able to take it to a printer to create one copy for yourself? Yes, although any self respecting printer will likely not agree to print an artist's work without their direct permission.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 20:00:20 GMT 1, WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. If that was true I would wonder why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? I suspect they would still sell pretty well.
I don't follow your argument Dan. Whether he sells them for ยฃ60 or ยฃ200 he is still selling them as a commercial venture for personal gain. And if I remember correctly, that is against Banksy's wishes. He said, if memory serves me well, that he had no problem with people printing their own copies, but not someone printing them for commercial purposes. He didn't say anything about it being ok if they were cheap!!
WCP is not printing them for personal use, he is printing them for personal gain. If that was true I would wonder why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? I suspect they would still sell pretty well. I don't follow your argument Dan. Whether he sells them for ยฃ60 or ยฃ200 he is still selling them as a commercial venture for personal gain. And if I remember correctly, that is against Banksy's wishes. He said, if memory serves me well, that he had no problem with people printing their own copies, but not someone printing them for commercial purposes. He didn't say anything about it being ok if they were cheap!!
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Aug 3, 2017 20:07:08 GMT 1, If that was true I would wonder why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? I suspect they would still sell pretty well. I don't follow your argument Dan. Whether he sells them for ยฃ60 or ยฃ200 he is still selling them as a commercial venture for personal gain. And if I remember correctly, that is against Banksy's wishes. He said, if memory serves me well, that he had no problem with people printing their own copies, but not someone printing them for commercial purposes. He didn't say anything about it being ok if they were cheap!! And I wondered why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them?
If that was true I would wonder why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? I suspect they would still sell pretty well. I don't follow your argument Dan. Whether he sells them for ยฃ60 or ยฃ200 he is still selling them as a commercial venture for personal gain. And if I remember correctly, that is against Banksy's wishes. He said, if memory serves me well, that he had no problem with people printing their own copies, but not someone printing them for commercial purposes. He didn't say anything about it being ok if they were cheap!! And I wondered why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them?
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 20:07:51 GMT 1, Did you not actually read the quote? ย It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me?
It seems to me that you are being a little obtuse. The statement made by Banksy was not written as a legal contract. Of course holes can be picked. But the spirit of shag he said is quite clear. Print off your own copy. Don't set up a business selling copies. You have ignored my post regarding collecting reasonably priced Banksy work.
Did you not actually read the quote? ย It says very specifically that he offers the images for personal use: "You're welcome to download whatever you wish from this site for personal use."Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me? It seems to me that you are being a little obtuse. The statement made by Banksy was not written as a legal contract. Of course holes can be picked. But the spirit of shag he said is quite clear. Print off your own copy. Don't set up a business selling copies. You have ignored my post regarding collecting reasonably priced Banksy work.
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