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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 20:11:16 GMT 1, I don't follow your argument Dan. Whether he sells them for ยฃ60 or ยฃ200 he is still selling them as a commercial venture for personal gain. And if I remember correctly, that is against Banksy's wishes. He said, if memory serves me well, that he had no problem with people printing their own copies, but not someone printing them for commercial purposes. He didn't say anything about it being ok if they were cheap!! And I wondered why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them?
You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply.
I don't follow your argument Dan. Whether he sells them for ยฃ60 or ยฃ200 he is still selling them as a commercial venture for personal gain. And if I remember correctly, that is against Banksy's wishes. He said, if memory serves me well, that he had no problem with people printing their own copies, but not someone printing them for commercial purposes. He didn't say anything about it being ok if they were cheap!! And I wondered why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 20:13:01 GMT 1, I guess it would, but we would be moving the goal post at that point. I am trying to make the point that since he isn't passing them off as official and has them labeled as reproductions, he isn't violating Banksy's request, whereas you just proposed that if he did sell one or more and didn't label them as reproductions, then what? Do I still maintain the same position: that he isn't violating Banksy's request? No, I do not, because you have changed the entire premise of the argument. You are ignoring the "personal use" portion of the quote, which renders your position on the matter invalid. Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me? Should you be able to take it to a printer to create one copy for yourself? Yes, although any self respecting printer will likely not agree to print an artist's work without their direct permission.
I wasn't ignoring his comment. I'm aware of that line, but I didn't respond to it because I'm trying to set a shared definition of what personal use is. If I take the downloaded image to kinkos to get it printed, is kinkos not in violation of Banksy's request because they aren't printing it for themselves and on top of that, they would be profiting from it. However, if the printing of the image is done for my personal use (which all we have to go on for definition from Banksy is not being passed off as "official" or authentic, but I will go one step further and say for me to enjoy on my wall as well), then kinkos would be in the clear according to Banksy (if I understand correctly).
I guess it would, but we would be moving the goal post at that point. I am trying to make the point that since he isn't passing them off as official and has them labeled as reproductions, he isn't violating Banksy's request, whereas you just proposed that if he did sell one or more and didn't label them as reproductions, then what? Do I still maintain the same position: that he isn't violating Banksy's request? No, I do not, because you have changed the entire premise of the argument. You are ignoring the "personal use" portion of the quote, which renders your position on the matter invalid. Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me? Should you be able to take it to a printer to create one copy for yourself? Yes, although any self respecting printer will likely not agree to print an artist's work without their direct permission. I wasn't ignoring his comment. I'm aware of that line, but I didn't respond to it because I'm trying to set a shared definition of what personal use is. If I take the downloaded image to kinkos to get it printed, is kinkos not in violation of Banksy's request because they aren't printing it for themselves and on top of that, they would be profiting from it. However, if the printing of the image is done for my personal use (which all we have to go on for definition from Banksy is not being passed off as "official" or authentic, but I will go one step further and say for me to enjoy on my wall as well), then kinkos would be in the clear according to Banksy (if I understand correctly).
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Aug 3, 2017 20:15:36 GMT 1, And I wondered why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply. Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more?
And I wondered why they don't charge ยฃ100 or even ยฃ200 each for them? You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply. Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more?
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Art Wanted, by mla on Aug 3, 2017 20:17:01 GMT 1, Even at 60 quid, his markup is several hundred percent, and that's if someone is doing the printing for him.
Even at 60 quid, his markup is several hundred percent, and that's if someone is doing the printing for him.
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Art Wanted, by k2 on Aug 3, 2017 20:20:44 GMT 1, You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply. Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more?
Why else would he be doing it, other than for personal gain? Benevolence?
I bet he's not even a real Prince!
You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply. Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more? Why else would he be doing it, other than for personal gain? Benevolence? I bet he's not even a real Prince!
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 20:30:26 GMT 1, Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me? It seems to me that you are being a little obtuse. The statement made by Banksy was not written as a legal contract. Of course holes can be picked. But the spirit of shag he said is quite clear. Print off your own copy. Don't set up a business selling copies. You have ignored my post regarding collecting reasonably priced Banksy work.
I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation.
Can I take the image I've downloaded to WCP and pay him to print it for me? It seems to me that you are being a little obtuse. The statement made by Banksy was not written as a legal contract. Of course holes can be picked. But the spirit of shag he said is quite clear. Print off your own copy. Don't set up a business selling copies. You have ignored my post regarding collecting reasonably priced Banksy work. I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 20:35:37 GMT 1, Even at 60 quid, his markup is several hundred percent, and that's if someone is doing the printing for him.
It would seem you think his time and labor is worth nothing. I can buy ink and paper and screens and equipment, but it doesn't happen by magic.
Even at 60 quid, his markup is several hundred percent, and that's if someone is doing the printing for him. It would seem you think his time and labor is worth nothing. I can buy ink and paper and screens and equipment, but it doesn't happen by magic.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 20:39:41 GMT 1, WCP makes money for his time/labor/materials and not by passing off reproductions as authentic which is what Banksy said was wrong
WCP makes money for his time/labor/materials and not by passing off reproductions as authentic which is what Banksy said was wrong
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Art Wanted, by Lroy on Aug 3, 2017 20:46:56 GMT 1, Just, one moment , take distance and think : do you think that a lover of Banksy - or a merchant if you want, a merchant that knows rules of what S.Y. could do with fake prints and " faussaires " So do you think one minute that WCP - who even copied and took already this name after the pannel that Banksy made before Bristol - has not the agreement of Banksy , selling these prints ? He would be mad , having too much ennemies , as streetartists, streetart associations , fans or galleries, he would not sell one in a week ! NO. WCP is not a fool, but a very cool and clever or smart guy, very fair,will all precautions and kindness ( do you know only " eBay 'merchant " who propose you to send you another print for fee in case of problems ? NO. WCP does not lie. I know that you don't read my posts, thinking that I am a fool ,but I don't care, I am free.
Just, one moment , take distance and think : do you think that a lover of Banksy - or a merchant if you want, a merchant that knows rules of what S.Y. could do with fake prints and " faussaires " So do you think one minute that WCP - who even copied and took already this name after the pannel that Banksy made before Bristol - has not the agreement of Banksy , selling these prints ? He would be mad , having too much ennemies , as streetartists, streetart associations , fans or galleries, he would not sell one in a week ! NO. WCP is not a fool, but a very cool and clever or smart guy, very fair,will all precautions and kindness ( do you know only " eBay 'merchant " who propose you to send you another print for fee in case of problems ? NO. WCP does not lie. I know that you don't read my posts, thinking that I am a fool ,but I don't care, I am free.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 20:52:49 GMT 1, You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply. Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more?
It is for personal gain. Just not as much gain as might be possible. If I sell a fake Rolex, is it ok if I tell you it's fake? No. If I sell a fake Rolex, and could get ยฃ200 for it, but only sell it for ยฃ60, is it ok? No.
You started your comment with "if that were true" referring to an earlier post. That earlier post asserted he was selling them for personal gain. Your comment was therefore more than merely wondering why he sold them cheaply. Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more? It is for personal gain. Just not as much gain as might be possible. If I sell a fake Rolex, is it ok if I tell you it's fake? No. If I sell a fake Rolex, and could get ยฃ200 for it, but only sell it for ยฃ60, is it ok? No.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 20:57:56 GMT 1, It seems to me that you are being a little obtuse. The statement made by Banksy was not written as a legal contract. Of course holes can be picked. But the spirit of shag he said is quite clear. Print off your own copy. Don't set up a business selling copies. You have ignored my post regarding collecting reasonably priced Banksy work. I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation.
It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple.
It seems to me that you are being a little obtuse. The statement made by Banksy was not written as a legal contract. Of course holes can be picked. But the spirit of shag he said is quite clear. Print off your own copy. Don't set up a business selling copies. You have ignored my post regarding collecting reasonably priced Banksy work. I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation. It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple.
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Art Wanted, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 3, 2017 21:01:01 GMT 1, You're referring to the 3 show posters on POW? Ignoring the fact that one would be limited to an incredibly small amount of his work to display (none of which is iconic Banksy), they are still just regular glossy posters from a show most of the population didn't attend. Plus official Exit film posters in various designs and sizes, the open edition lithos for a little more cash (Monkey parliament, soup cans, petrol bomb), 2 Don't panic posters, sleaze nation "have a nice day" poster, green peace poster, large size official stickers... There's not a shortage of options if you want a real Banksy for a lot less than an official print.
I think you are missing the fact that the image might mean something.
Just because it's an official banksy poster doesn't mean you like the image. I'm not hanging a banksy poster because it's an official banksy work...
You're referring to the 3 show posters on POW? Ignoring the fact that one would be limited to an incredibly small amount of his work to display (none of which is iconic Banksy), they are still just regular glossy posters from a show most of the population didn't attend. Plus official Exit film posters in various designs and sizes, the open edition lithos for a little more cash (Monkey parliament, soup cans, petrol bomb), 2 Don't panic posters, sleaze nation "have a nice day" poster, green peace poster, large size official stickers... There's not a shortage of options if you want a real Banksy for a lot less than an official print. I think you are missing the fact that the image might mean something. Just because it's an official banksy poster doesn't mean you like the image. I'm not hanging a banksy poster because it's an official banksy work...
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Art Wanted, by Lroy on Aug 3, 2017 21:07:06 GMT 1, Some posters sounds like... posters ( I did not say tats - anyway I like tats) Posters are impersonal too.
Some posters sounds like... posters ( I did not say tats - anyway I like tats) Posters are impersonal too.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 21:09:19 GMT 1, Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more? It is for personal gain. Just not as much gain as might be possible. If I sell a fake Rolex, is it ok if I tell you it's fake? No. If I sell a fake Rolex, and could get ยฃ200 for it, but only sell it for ยฃ60, is it ok? No.
It could also be that he charges what he does because time is money and ink isn't free and he can't just give them away.
Also:
Did rolex give out plans and say it was ok to make your own for personal use as long as you didn't try to pass it off as official or real? Did you make the watch? Did you lack the skills, funds, and equipment to make your own decent copy? Did you know someone who did and payed them to do what you were not in a position to do in a satisfactory fashion yourself? Did that person make it as a reproduction and sell it as a reproduction? No.
Yes, if it's for personal gain, again my question was why don't they charge more? It is for personal gain. Just not as much gain as might be possible. If I sell a fake Rolex, is it ok if I tell you it's fake? No. If I sell a fake Rolex, and could get ยฃ200 for it, but only sell it for ยฃ60, is it ok? No. It could also be that he charges what he does because time is money and ink isn't free and he can't just give them away. Also: Did rolex give out plans and say it was ok to make your own for personal use as long as you didn't try to pass it off as official or real? Did you make the watch? Did you lack the skills, funds, and equipment to make your own decent copy? Did you know someone who did and payed them to do what you were not in a position to do in a satisfactory fashion yourself? Did that person make it as a reproduction and sell it as a reproduction? No.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 21:14:00 GMT 1, I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation. It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple.
I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art.
I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation. It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple. I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 21:27:15 GMT 1, I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation. It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple.
Your right, it is irrelevant to this argument, especially considering those 7 posters are not the Banksy images I have an emotional connection with. Jenny Saville also hasn't provided digital versions of her work with permission to use for personal use; Banksy has. The question is whether or not Banksy meant he only wanted those images printed by the printer owned by the person whos house it's going in or if it's ok to get outside help. If it is, is it ok to pay them for their time and help? What if that person in an effort to provide that help with creating those better quality prints for people at a lower price, he printed a batch of them at once instead of pulling out his set up for every order. And just to make sure no one could miss interpret his intentions, he added a stamp confirming it was just a reproduction and was not made with the intent of passing off as authentic?
I apologize if that's how I'm coming across. I didn't mean to ignore your post; I'm aware that there is official ephemera out there that doesn't cost thousands, but it's an incredibly limited selection to choose from. As a result, I'm exploring what other options there may be and if your implying that I have none other than stickers and a couple exhibition posters, then I'm afraid you aren't providing any help in that area. I get that his statement isnt a contract, but it is the only representation of his wishes we have. I can't give him a ring and ask if it's ok. I'm trying to figure out where the line being crossed is, ergo the discussion around its interpretation. It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple. Your right, it is irrelevant to this argument, especially considering those 7 posters are not the Banksy images I have an emotional connection with. Jenny Saville also hasn't provided digital versions of her work with permission to use for personal use; Banksy has. The question is whether or not Banksy meant he only wanted those images printed by the printer owned by the person whos house it's going in or if it's ok to get outside help. If it is, is it ok to pay them for their time and help? What if that person in an effort to provide that help with creating those better quality prints for people at a lower price, he printed a batch of them at once instead of pulling out his set up for every order. And just to make sure no one could miss interpret his intentions, he added a stamp confirming it was just a reproduction and was not made with the intent of passing off as authentic?
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 21:30:10 GMT 1, It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple. I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art.
How on gods beautiful earth can something that I sell to someone else be for personal use? I'm sorry, once again I find myself banging my head against a brick wall.
It's not being made for personal use. So it's against Banksy's wishes. It is a moral issue as to whether you choose to ignore that. The price he sells them for is irrelevant. The fact that there is little else that is an official Banksy piece is also irrelevant. My favourite artist is Jenny Saville. There is even less by her that I can afford. Just as an aside, I think I listed 7 posters that are available on a budget, not a couple. I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art. How on gods beautiful earth can something that I sell to someone else be for personal use? I'm sorry, once again I find myself banging my head against a brick wall.
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Art Wanted, by nex on Aug 3, 2017 21:36:29 GMT 1, This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated
This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created
They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each
And highlight its fake on the back
This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected.
This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated
This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created
They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each
And highlight its fake on the back
This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected.
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 21:37:54 GMT 1, I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art. How on gods beautiful earth can something that I sell to someone else be for personal use? I'm sorry, once again I find myself banging my head against a brick wall.
I disagree on what I would be paying for. You seem to be viewing that transaction as him selling a fake Banksy whereas I see someone paying him for his labor and materials. Banksy said it was cool for me to put his images on my wall for personal use and that's what I would be doing. I'm paying WCP for the print job, not the image. I have no desire to invest in printing equipment especially considering most artists have not given me permission to print out their work and put it on my wall.
I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art. How on gods beautiful earth can something that I sell to someone else be for personal use? I'm sorry, once again I find myself banging my head against a brick wall. I disagree on what I would be paying for. You seem to be viewing that transaction as him selling a fake Banksy whereas I see someone paying him for his labor and materials. Banksy said it was cool for me to put his images on my wall for personal use and that's what I would be doing. I'm paying WCP for the print job, not the image. I have no desire to invest in printing equipment especially considering most artists have not given me permission to print out their work and put it on my wall.
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Art Wanted, by Coach on Aug 3, 2017 21:59:15 GMT 1, This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each And highlight its fake on the back This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected.
Agreed. I'm done with the argument. I think I've made my point well enough.
This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each And highlight its fake on the back This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected. Agreed. I'm done with the argument. I think I've made my point well enough.
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Aug 3, 2017 22:05:06 GMT 1, Plus official Exit film posters in various designs and sizes, the open edition lithos for a little more cash (Monkey parliament, soup cans, petrol bomb), 2 Don't panic posters, sleaze nation "have a nice day" poster, green peace poster, large size official stickers... There's not a shortage of options if you want a real Banksy for a lot less than an official print. I think you are missing the fact that the image might mean something. Just because it's an official banksy poster doesn't mean you like the image. I'm not hanging a banksy poster because it's an official banksy work... That goes back to peoples sense of entitlement then.
Can no longer afford the real thing, which is no ones fault, so I'll make reproductions and sell them for a profit? Does that sound right?
Plus official Exit film posters in various designs and sizes, the open edition lithos for a little more cash (Monkey parliament, soup cans, petrol bomb), 2 Don't panic posters, sleaze nation "have a nice day" poster, green peace poster, large size official stickers... There's not a shortage of options if you want a real Banksy for a lot less than an official print. I think you are missing the fact that the image might mean something. Just because it's an official banksy poster doesn't mean you like the image. I'm not hanging a banksy poster because it's an official banksy work... That goes back to peoples sense of entitlement then. Can no longer afford the real thing, which is no ones fault, so I'll make reproductions and sell them for a profit? Does that sound right?
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Aug 3, 2017 22:10:39 GMT 1, I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. LOL. Personal use is personal use. That's not a debatable thing.
I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. LOL. Personal use is personal use. That's not a debatable thing.
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Art Wanted, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 3, 2017 22:12:19 GMT 1, I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art. How on gods beautiful earth can something that I sell to someone else be for personal use? I'm sorry, once again I find myself banging my head against a brick wall.
Situation 1: I download high resolution image of something I like. I think hmm I wish I could have a screenprint of this and hang it on my wall. I then think hmm I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and tens of hours learning how to screebprint. I then find a local screen printer take my image to the screen printer say hey can you make this for me I want to hang it on my wall. He says okay it will be $100 for my work and materials.
Situation 2: I like an image and think hmm I wish I had a screenprint. I use the internet and find a screen printer who says I can make something like this for you to hang on your wall. It will be $75 bucks for my work and materials.
I guess the disagreement is on what constitutes personal use. It was made so I could hang an image of decent quality in my home for me to enjoy personally, not to sell as official Banksy art. How on gods beautiful earth can something that I sell to someone else be for personal use? I'm sorry, once again I find myself banging my head against a brick wall. Situation 1: I download high resolution image of something I like. I think hmm I wish I could have a screenprint of this and hang it on my wall. I then think hmm I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and tens of hours learning how to screebprint. I then find a local screen printer take my image to the screen printer say hey can you make this for me I want to hang it on my wall. He says okay it will be $100 for my work and materials. Situation 2: I like an image and think hmm I wish I had a screenprint. I use the internet and find a screen printer who says I can make something like this for you to hang on your wall. It will be $75 bucks for my work and materials.
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Aug 3, 2017 22:16:50 GMT 1, Situation 1: I download high resolution image of something I like. I think hmm I wish I could have a screenprint of this and hang it on my wall. I then think hmm I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and tens of hours learning how to screebprint. I then find a local screen printer take my image to the screen printer say hey can you make this for me I want to hang it on my wall. He says okay it will be $100 for my work and materials. Situation 2: I like an image and think hmm I wish I had a screenprint. I use the internet and find a screen printer who says I can make something like this for you to hang on your wall. It will be $75 bucks for my work and materials. The difference I think is someone making a living from printing hundreds, or thousands, and selling them at a nice profit. Is that fair to the original artist, just because some fans feel like they'd like that image on their wall?
Situation 1: I download high resolution image of something I like. I think hmm I wish I could have a screenprint of this and hang it on my wall. I then think hmm I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and tens of hours learning how to screebprint. I then find a local screen printer take my image to the screen printer say hey can you make this for me I want to hang it on my wall. He says okay it will be $100 for my work and materials. Situation 2: I like an image and think hmm I wish I had a screenprint. I use the internet and find a screen printer who says I can make something like this for you to hang on your wall. It will be $75 bucks for my work and materials. The difference I think is someone making a living from printing hundreds, or thousands, and selling them at a nice profit. Is that fair to the original artist, just because some fans feel like they'd like that image on their wall?
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 22:17:24 GMT 1, This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each And highlight its fake on the back This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected. -I'm not trolling anyone; simply making the case that you are paying him for his labor and materials as opposed to buying counterfeit art. If you have no desire to discuss, then don't.
-You are ignoring the permission given by Banksy to print the images and not addressing the argument being made
-Can you provide proof that he has printed more than he said he did and can you explain why it would matter since it's not official Banksy art?
-Highlighting the fact that it is a reproduction is not about redeeming itself; its about distinguishing itself as a reproduction as opposed to a counterfeit or a forgery.
-I'm sorry if you have been manipulated by others before in your life, but i don't see how that applies here. He seems to be pretty upfront from what I've read of his posts and from his eBay listings.
This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each And highlight its fake on the back This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected. -I'm not trolling anyone; simply making the case that you are paying him for his labor and materials as opposed to buying counterfeit art. If you have no desire to discuss, then don't. -You are ignoring the permission given by Banksy to print the images and not addressing the argument being made -Can you provide proof that he has printed more than he said he did and can you explain why it would matter since it's not official Banksy art? -Highlighting the fact that it is a reproduction is not about redeeming itself; its about distinguishing itself as a reproduction as opposed to a counterfeit or a forgery. -I'm sorry if you have been manipulated by others before in your life, but i don't see how that applies here. He seems to be pretty upfront from what I've read of his posts and from his eBay listings.
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ivxx4all
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Art Wanted, by ivxx4all on Aug 3, 2017 22:19:56 GMT 1, This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each And highlight its fake on the back This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected. Agreed. I'm done with the argument. I think I've made my point well enough. I appreciated the discussion coach and I hope I didn't come off rude or as a troll. Best wishes
This thread as is always the case one massive troll that's been instigated This comes down to how comfortable an individual is lining the pocket of someone else for work that a third individual has created They create a false demand by pretending there's a limited number of each And highlight its fake on the back This isn't a redeeming practice, but I've had enough of beeing manipulated now and shining a light on this shoddy practice that shouldn't be marketed in this place - given what this place was and who we originally respected. Agreed. I'm done with the argument. I think I've made my point well enough. I appreciated the discussion coach and I hope I didn't come off rude or as a troll. Best wishes
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Art Wanted, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 3, 2017 22:22:01 GMT 1, I think you are missing the fact that the image might mean something. Just because it's an official banksy poster doesn't mean you like the image. I'm not hanging a banksy poster because it's an official banksy work... That goes back to peoples sense of entitlement then. Can no longer afford the real thing, which is no ones fault, so I'll make reproductions and sell them for a profit? Does that sound right?
I'm talking from the fan of the image viewpoint.
Why Can't I have an image I like of art on my wall? Because I can't afford it?
Ironically the artist who's work I want to hand has railed against just that sentiment.
I think you are missing the fact that the image might mean something. Just because it's an official banksy poster doesn't mean you like the image. I'm not hanging a banksy poster because it's an official banksy work... That goes back to peoples sense of entitlement then. Can no longer afford the real thing, which is no ones fault, so I'll make reproductions and sell them for a profit? Does that sound right? I'm talking from the fan of the image viewpoint. Why Can't I have an image I like of art on my wall? Because I can't afford it? Ironically the artist who's work I want to hand has railed against just that sentiment.
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nex
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Art Wanted, by nex on Aug 3, 2017 22:24:42 GMT 1, Agreed. I'm done with the argument. I think I've made my point well enough. I appreciated the discussion coach and I hope I didn't come off rude or as a troll. Best wishes
You're not a troll, this thread and it's instigation is, your just an unwitting pawn, as we all are on occassion.
Agreed. I'm done with the argument. I think I've made my point well enough. I appreciated the discussion coach and I hope I didn't come off rude or as a troll. Best wishes You're not a troll, this thread and it's instigation is, your just an unwitting pawn, as we all are on occassion.
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Art Wanted, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 3, 2017 22:26:06 GMT 1, Situation 1: I download high resolution image of something I like. I think hmm I wish I could have a screenprint of this and hang it on my wall. I then think hmm I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and tens of hours learning how to screebprint. I then find a local screen printer take my image to the screen printer say hey can you make this for me I want to hang it on my wall. He says okay it will be $100 for my work and materials. Situation 2: I like an image and think hmm I wish I had a screenprint. I use the internet and find a screen printer who says I can make something like this for you to hang on your wall. It will be $75 bucks for my work and materials. The difference I think is someone making a living from printing hundreds, or thousands, and selling them at a nice profit. Is that fair to the original artist, just because some fans feel like they'd like that image on their wall?
First in still waiting for the proof that they make a killing off these.
Second for another artist sure. For this artist I think it's perfectly fair.
It shocks me how people forget what made banksy banksy.
Situation 1: I download high resolution image of something I like. I think hmm I wish I could have a screenprint of this and hang it on my wall. I then think hmm I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and tens of hours learning how to screebprint. I then find a local screen printer take my image to the screen printer say hey can you make this for me I want to hang it on my wall. He says okay it will be $100 for my work and materials. Situation 2: I like an image and think hmm I wish I had a screenprint. I use the internet and find a screen printer who says I can make something like this for you to hang on your wall. It will be $75 bucks for my work and materials. The difference I think is someone making a living from printing hundreds, or thousands, and selling them at a nice profit. Is that fair to the original artist, just because some fans feel like they'd like that image on their wall? First in still waiting for the proof that they make a killing off these. Second for another artist sure. For this artist I think it's perfectly fair. It shocks me how people forget what made banksy banksy.
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Aug 3, 2017 22:33:57 GMT 1, The difference I think is someone making a living from printing hundreds, or thousands, and selling them at a nice profit. Is that fair to the original artist, just because some fans feel like they'd like that image on their wall? First in still waiting for the proof that they make a killing off these. Second for another artist sure. For this artist I think it's perfectly fair. It shocks me how people forget what made banksy banksy.
I'm fairly sure they're not publishing their tax returns... Know what I mean!?
And the other points, well, no need to comment any further.
The difference I think is someone making a living from printing hundreds, or thousands, and selling them at a nice profit. Is that fair to the original artist, just because some fans feel like they'd like that image on their wall? First in still waiting for the proof that they make a killing off these. Second for another artist sure. For this artist I think it's perfectly fair. It shocks me how people forget what made banksy banksy. I'm fairly sure they're not publishing their tax returns... Know what I mean!? And the other points, well, no need to comment any further.
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