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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by snakes on Jul 28, 2007 16:11:55 GMT 1, You dirty mongrel Mr nuart!
You dirty mongrel Mr nuart!
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by reados on Jul 28, 2007 19:17:37 GMT 1, just a hypothetical question snakes if someone offered you a banksy for a SBFO would you swap?
me thinks probably most definitely more than likely, don't hold me to it but i told you so and of course hypothetically yes!
just a hypothetical question snakes if someone offered you a banksy for a SBFO would you swap? me thinks probably most definitely more than likely, don't hold me to it but i told you so and of course hypothetically yes!
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by snakes on Jul 28, 2007 19:21:21 GMT 1, Currently no, as there is nothing that i would really want on my wall that i do not have ( only 2) as someone said earlier to me, most of Banksy's work looks better on the street than in print and there is a lot of better and certainly more affordable art out there.
..down the road who knows?
I would probally even give my last rolo to get a copy of trolley hunters!
So at that point i would concur with your 'told you so'.
Currently no, as there is nothing that i would really want on my wall that i do not have ( only 2) as someone said earlier to me, most of Banksy's work looks better on the street than in print and there is a lot of better and certainly more affordable art out there.
..down the road who knows?
I would probally even give my last rolo to get a copy of trolley hunters!
So at that point i would concur with your 'told you so'.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by goaty on Jul 28, 2007 20:27:28 GMT 1, If I had a SBFO I would instantly swap it for a Banksy. I think it's too easy to create a political message and make it look nice. Most of the Beejoir stuff I've seen is political, LV child, Shell etc and I haven't really seen his stuff before this. Banksy on the other hand has far less political messages especially with his early stuff, Pulp Fiction, Rats, Maid Sweeping and Queen Vic. Admittedly he's used his fame to go more political and expose it to a wider audience, but you still have Grannies type stuff that are light hearted. It's more humorous and brings a smile to your face.
So those were my thoughts.
A Banksy on my wall any day.
If I had a SBFO I would instantly swap it for a Banksy. I think it's too easy to create a political message and make it look nice. Most of the Beejoir stuff I've seen is political, LV child, Shell etc and I haven't really seen his stuff before this. Banksy on the other hand has far less political messages especially with his early stuff, Pulp Fiction, Rats, Maid Sweeping and Queen Vic. Admittedly he's used his fame to go more political and expose it to a wider audience, but you still have Grannies type stuff that are light hearted. It's more humorous and brings a smile to your face.
So those were my thoughts.
A Banksy on my wall any day.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by gbh on Jul 29, 2007 3:35:29 GMT 1, me too, if had any number of SBFO's I'd be happy to swap them with any mug that wanted to give me their banky's.
me too, if had any number of SBFO's I'd be happy to swap them with any mug that wanted to give me their banky's.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Photoxtc on Jul 29, 2007 4:13:06 GMT 1, has anyone actually offered up a swap of any kind???
has anyone actually offered up a swap of any kind???
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by insite on Jul 29, 2007 9:30:42 GMT 1, Yes I would, I only discovered this world of prints through a realisation that Banksy made prints I could possibly own, that was quickly followed by the discovery that I was already priced out of the secondary market and after Morons the realisation that I would probably never be lucky enough to buy from source. Along the way here though I discovered loads more artists whos work I could own and appreciate so thanks to not owning a Banksy I now have work by the likes of D*face, Dolk, Amp, Cauty, Shep, Kinsey, Faile, Mantis and recently a couple of Beejoirs. Despite having a respectable collection which amounts to enough art to fill the house we're moving too I'm still not satisfied, why ?, because I still don't own a Banksy and still don't expect too. Then last week I managed to buy a SBFO, a print I've wanted almost as much as a Banksy, a print I gave up a weekend for and still missed, a print I spent days travelling for and hours queuing for in the rain for. I knew financially it would be worth more as soon as I bought it and that was part of the motivation behind the chase, not the profit but the knowledge that if I didn't buy from source I wouldn't be able too afford the 3-4X price the next day. I didn't really think that these prints would equate to a Banksy so I feel my motivation in buying was right but now I'm faced with the prospect of being able to afford a Banksy and the dilemma of what to do. I'm still too wary of ebay too just sell and reinvest but if someone offered a trade for the right piece and removed the risk of falling on my arse well I think I'd jump at it. Would I feel the same if I owned a Banksy ? probably not but we all found this forum through our appreciation of one artist and I don't think any of us would pass up on an opportunity too own a piece of his work and this is the first time I've been in a position to think that's a real possibility, I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
In considering this question I used completed ebay prices as the yardstick to relative values and that's only served too make the question even more difficult so now I'll throw this in the mix as well. Would you swop your SBFO for a couple of Matt Smalls and a Blek, or a couple of Bleks and a Faile or or or...... owning a SBFO would seem too be a shortcut to a collection at the moment and that has too be tempting.
So what am I going to do ? I'm going to get this bugger in a frame soon as, I'm going to take it to my framer and spend too much on the frame which won't fit any other print and then because I'm so tight I won't be tempted to let it go ;D, but of course this is just my opinion.
Yes I would, I only discovered this world of prints through a realisation that Banksy made prints I could possibly own, that was quickly followed by the discovery that I was already priced out of the secondary market and after Morons the realisation that I would probably never be lucky enough to buy from source. Along the way here though I discovered loads more artists whos work I could own and appreciate so thanks to not owning a Banksy I now have work by the likes of D*face, Dolk, Amp, Cauty, Shep, Kinsey, Faile, Mantis and recently a couple of Beejoirs. Despite having a respectable collection which amounts to enough art to fill the house we're moving too I'm still not satisfied, why ?, because I still don't own a Banksy and still don't expect too. Then last week I managed to buy a SBFO, a print I've wanted almost as much as a Banksy, a print I gave up a weekend for and still missed, a print I spent days travelling for and hours queuing for in the rain for. I knew financially it would be worth more as soon as I bought it and that was part of the motivation behind the chase, not the profit but the knowledge that if I didn't buy from source I wouldn't be able too afford the 3-4X price the next day. I didn't really think that these prints would equate to a Banksy so I feel my motivation in buying was right but now I'm faced with the prospect of being able to afford a Banksy and the dilemma of what to do. I'm still too wary of ebay too just sell and reinvest but if someone offered a trade for the right piece and removed the risk of falling on my arse well I think I'd jump at it. Would I feel the same if I owned a Banksy ? probably not but we all found this forum through our appreciation of one artist and I don't think any of us would pass up on an opportunity too own a piece of his work and this is the first time I've been in a position to think that's a real possibility, I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
In considering this question I used completed ebay prices as the yardstick to relative values and that's only served too make the question even more difficult so now I'll throw this in the mix as well. Would you swop your SBFO for a couple of Matt Smalls and a Blek, or a couple of Bleks and a Faile or or or...... owning a SBFO would seem too be a shortcut to a collection at the moment and that has too be tempting.
So what am I going to do ? I'm going to get this bugger in a frame soon as, I'm going to take it to my framer and spend too much on the frame which won't fit any other print and then because I'm so tight I won't be tempted to let it go ;D, but of course this is just my opinion.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by ABC on Jul 29, 2007 9:43:52 GMT 1, I just dont get the Shell Blood 4 Oil print, whats with it? why would you want a massive shell logo on you wall. Nothing against Beej as this is just IMO of course. I get the meaning but so what why would you want that on your wall?
I just dont get the Shell Blood 4 Oil print, whats with it? why would you want a massive shell logo on you wall. Nothing against Beej as this is just IMO of course. I get the meaning but so what why would you want that on your wall?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by insite on Jul 29, 2007 10:08:00 GMT 1, I just dont get the Shell Blood 4 Oil print, whats with it? why would you want a massive shell logo on you wall. Nothing against Beej as this is just IMO of course. I get the meaning but so what why would you want that on your wall?
Mine's not actually destined for the wall in the house, hopefully soon I'll have a small workshop again and I want it where I can see it whilst I sit at my bench. I agree it's not one for over the mantelpiece but I do love a bit of political art and sometimes feel I've lived most of my life in protest at one thing or another so to me it feels culturally relevant. I also love a good tale and the backstory on this one's a corker.
I just dont get the Shell Blood 4 Oil print, whats with it? why would you want a massive shell logo on you wall. Nothing against Beej as this is just IMO of course. I get the meaning but so what why would you want that on your wall? Mine's not actually destined for the wall in the house, hopefully soon I'll have a small workshop again and I want it where I can see it whilst I sit at my bench. I agree it's not one for over the mantelpiece but I do love a bit of political art and sometimes feel I've lived most of my life in protest at one thing or another so to me it feels culturally relevant. I also love a good tale and the backstory on this one's a corker.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by ABC on Jul 29, 2007 10:12:40 GMT 1, I agree it has a relevance in todays climate but the image to me is poor. I must admit though a work shop with a wall that the wife has no say is the way ahead, Ive just got a studio and feel a few things will get posted around and the mess can stay were it is without someone hoovering behind!! !!
I agree it has a relevance in todays climate but the image to me is poor. I must admit though a work shop with a wall that the wife has no say is the way ahead, Ive just got a studio and feel a few things will get posted around and the mess can stay were it is without someone hoovering behind!! !!
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by insite on Jul 29, 2007 10:41:36 GMT 1, Although SBFO sprung directly from the 2nd gulf war to me the cultural relevance is as much representative of the years of protesting as just being about todays situation. For me it started with the strikes in the '80's then the anti-fascist movement, the anti-polltax union, supporting squatters and free party's until moving on site which just makes you a constant thorn in the side of government without having to try too hard ;D. Now we're about to move into a house in a nice quiet village but I'm really pleased to have discovered an art movement that to me feels representative of my views.
I think I get what you mean about the image being poor but I see it as a very good interpretation of the original spontaneous act of protest and for that reason can forgive its derivative nature.
Although SBFO sprung directly from the 2nd gulf war to me the cultural relevance is as much representative of the years of protesting as just being about todays situation. For me it started with the strikes in the '80's then the anti-fascist movement, the anti-polltax union, supporting squatters and free party's until moving on site which just makes you a constant thorn in the side of government without having to try too hard ;D. Now we're about to move into a house in a nice quiet village but I'm really pleased to have discovered an art movement that to me feels representative of my views.
I think I get what you mean about the image being poor but I see it as a very good interpretation of the original spontaneous act of protest and for that reason can forgive its derivative nature.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by carlito on Jul 29, 2007 10:46:04 GMT 1, I just dont get the Shell Blood 4 Oil print, whats with it? why would you want a massive shell logo on you wall. Nothing against Beej as this is just IMO of course. I get the meaning but so what why would you want that on your wall?
...because you like it?
I just dont get the Shell Blood 4 Oil print, whats with it? why would you want a massive shell logo on you wall. Nothing against Beej as this is just IMO of course. I get the meaning but so what why would you want that on your wall? ...because you like it?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by snakes on Jul 29, 2007 11:16:59 GMT 1, What figure of the 125 prints do you think were available at LSG on thursday?
Did anyone count?
90, 100, more, less?
What figure of the 125 prints do you think were available at LSG on thursday?
Did anyone count?
90, 100, more, less?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by pezlow on Jul 29, 2007 11:27:29 GMT 1, Insite - I understand totally where you are coming from mate. Don't give up on a banksy yet. Still 3 more to be released from the LA series and you have got as good a chance as any.
Insite - I understand totally where you are coming from mate. Don't give up on a banksy yet. Still 3 more to be released from the LA series and you have got as good a chance as any.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by insite on Jul 29, 2007 11:31:42 GMT 1, What figure of the 125 prints do you think were available at LSG on thursday? Did anyone count? 90, 100, more, less?
They seemed to start around #60 but I wasn't counting
What figure of the 125 prints do you think were available at LSG on thursday? Did anyone count? 90, 100, more, less? They seemed to start around #60 but I wasn't counting
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by chrisps303 on Jul 29, 2007 11:32:19 GMT 1, If i still had my flag i would swap for SBFO, but i needed the money for something else so i had to sell it last week. I wont swap morons as its the first banksy i bought and i will never swap mary as its my favourite print. So yes i would swap a banksy for SBFO.
If i still had my flag i would swap for SBFO, but i needed the money for something else so i had to sell it last week. I wont swap morons as its the first banksy i bought and i will never swap mary as its my favourite print. So yes i would swap a banksy for SBFO.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by insite on Jul 29, 2007 11:35:31 GMT 1, Insite - I understand totally where you are coming from mate. Don't give up on a banksy yet. Still 3 more to be released from the LA series and you have got as good a chance as any.
Cheers, I never say die anyhow. A few months ago when I started buying I did pick up one of the huge keep left stickers for a fiver,now there's one up for Β£200 BIN so I do kind of own a valuable Banksy ;D
Insite - I understand totally where you are coming from mate. Don't give up on a banksy yet. Still 3 more to be released from the LA series and you have got as good a chance as any. Cheers, I never say die anyhow. A few months ago when I started buying I did pick up one of the huge keep left stickers for a fiver,now there's one up for Β£200 BIN so I do kind of own a valuable Banksy ;D
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by numusic on Jul 29, 2007 11:56:05 GMT 1, Although SBFO sprung directly from the 2nd gulf war to me the cultural relevance is as much representative of the years of protesting as just being about todays situation. For me it started with the strikes in the '80's then the anti-fascist movement, the anti-polltax union, supporting squatters and free party's until moving on site which just makes you a constant thorn in the side of government without having to try too hard ;D. Now we're about to move into a house in a nice quiet village but I'm really pleased to have discovered an art movement that to me feels representative of my views. I think I get what you mean about the image being poor but I see it as a very good interpretation of the original spontaneous act of protest and for that reason can forgive its derivative nature.
lovely interpretation and goes for a good 99% of the work I like and own. Graffiti has it in spades, Stencils obviously (due to their long association with the politics of dissent) and outsider/lo brow art for the peoples alternative to swankety swank gallery/dealer land. Now if all the new dealers would just stop sticking ridiculous prices on these things and fuck off back to dealing pastoral scenes and welsh figurative art to the blue rinse set.. then things would be fine Can't wait for this bubble to burst !
Although SBFO sprung directly from the 2nd gulf war to me the cultural relevance is as much representative of the years of protesting as just being about todays situation. For me it started with the strikes in the '80's then the anti-fascist movement, the anti-polltax union, supporting squatters and free party's until moving on site which just makes you a constant thorn in the side of government without having to try too hard ;D. Now we're about to move into a house in a nice quiet village but I'm really pleased to have discovered an art movement that to me feels representative of my views. I think I get what you mean about the image being poor but I see it as a very good interpretation of the original spontaneous act of protest and for that reason can forgive its derivative nature. lovely interpretation and goes for a good 99% of the work I like and own. Graffiti has it in spades, Stencils obviously (due to their long association with the politics of dissent) and outsider/lo brow art for the peoples alternative to swankety swank gallery/dealer land. Now if all the new dealers would just stop sticking ridiculous prices on these things and fuck off back to dealing pastoral scenes and welsh figurative art to the blue rinse set.. then things would be fine Can't wait for this bubble to burst !
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by babyford on Jul 29, 2007 12:02:49 GMT 1, What figure of the 125 prints do you think were available at LSG on thursday? Did anyone count? 90, 100, more, less?
Started at 57 i think
What figure of the 125 prints do you think were available at LSG on thursday? Did anyone count? 90, 100, more, less? Started at 57 i think
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Wiseblood on Jul 29, 2007 12:53:23 GMT 1, Started at 58 mate, well i was 16th on the list and got print number 74 so im presuming there were only 67 for sale, wonder where the rest went.
Started at 58 mate, well i was 16th on the list and got print number 74 so im presuming there were only 67 for sale, wonder where the rest went.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by numusic on Jul 29, 2007 13:23:12 GMT 1, Started at 58 mate, well i was 16th on the list and got print number 74 so im presuming there were only 67 for sale, wonder where the rest went.
First 50 of large runs ca 1000 (flags etc) are usually kept back to use as a form of currency for favours etc. Smaller runs, usually 10-20. Maybe Frankie's got em stored for a rainy day
Started at 58 mate, well i was 16th on the list and got print number 74 so im presuming there were only 67 for sale, wonder where the rest went. First 50 of large runs ca 1000 (flags etc) are usually kept back to use as a form of currency for favours etc. Smaller runs, usually 10-20. Maybe Frankie's got em stored for a rainy day
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 29, 2007 19:59:12 GMT 1, no disrespect to the artist but the shell image is not original at all - seriously, look at any real political 'zine with a left leaning agenda and you have hundreds of much more hard hitting imagery with fresh concepts and from people who are pretty much anonymous. Corporate logo with blood dripping from it? come on, its like the first day of "creating political art 101" class.
no disrespect to the artist but the shell image is not original at all - seriously, look at any real political 'zine with a left leaning agenda and you have hundreds of much more hard hitting imagery with fresh concepts and from people who are pretty much anonymous. Corporate logo with blood dripping from it? come on, its like the first day of "creating political art 101" class.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by pezlow on Jul 29, 2007 20:06:39 GMT 1, True bobby - but I think putting it on a background of Iraqi Dinars kinda lifts it above the norm.
True bobby - but I think putting it on a background of Iraqi Dinars kinda lifts it above the norm.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 29, 2007 20:25:24 GMT 1, Pez yeah I guess its some kind of small twist from the super cliche. But then again corporate logo/money is not that original? I just don't understand the frenzy as if it was some kind of "wow thats so creative" type of piece to justify the prices its commanding. I guess association to the street scene in any capacity drives people crazy. It is very trendy to be "mainstream political" right now. Yeah the war was a disaster. Yeah the oil companies are raping us. I'd like to see these artists touch on s*hit thats real controversial - like the raping thats going on in palestine. Banksy did and I think its his greatest accomplishment...
Pez yeah I guess its some kind of small twist from the super cliche. But then again corporate logo/money is not that original? I just don't understand the frenzy as if it was some kind of "wow thats so creative" type of piece to justify the prices its commanding. I guess association to the street scene in any capacity drives people crazy. It is very trendy to be "mainstream political" right now. Yeah the war was a disaster. Yeah the oil companies are raping us. I'd like to see these artists touch on s*hit thats real controversial - like the raping thats going on in palestine. Banksy did and I think its his greatest accomplishment...
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by nikki27 on Jul 29, 2007 20:38:25 GMT 1, no disrespect to the artist but the shell image is not original at all - seriously, look at any real political 'zine with a left leaning agenda and you have hundreds of much more hard hitting imagery with fresh concepts and from people who are pretty much anonymous. Corporate logo with blood dripping from it? come on, its like the first day of "creating political art 101" class.
You not trying to bash it so you can get it for a better price on the bay are you....?
no disrespect to the artist but the shell image is not original at all - seriously, look at any real political 'zine with a left leaning agenda and you have hundreds of much more hard hitting imagery with fresh concepts and from people who are pretty much anonymous. Corporate logo with blood dripping from it? come on, its like the first day of "creating political art 101" class. You not trying to bash it so you can get it for a better price on the bay are you....?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 29, 2007 20:58:06 GMT 1, no disrespect to the artist but the shell image is not original at all - seriously, look at any real political 'zine with a left leaning agenda and you have hundreds of much more hard hitting imagery with fresh concepts and from people who are pretty much anonymous. Corporate logo with blood dripping from it? come on, its like the first day of "creating political art 101" class. You not trying to bash it so you can get it for a better price on the bay are you....?
This is exactly the issue I see with the street scene "political art". That is, people putting a certain "value" and treating it as some kind of "investment" vehicle. Big contradiction. I gave my opinions on the shell piece. How many people are buying it for the the message? Im not going to lie and say I dont buy stuff that I can see increasing in value down the line. Its the nature of the beast and sometimes I get very conflicted myself...
no disrespect to the artist but the shell image is not original at all - seriously, look at any real political 'zine with a left leaning agenda and you have hundreds of much more hard hitting imagery with fresh concepts and from people who are pretty much anonymous. Corporate logo with blood dripping from it? come on, its like the first day of "creating political art 101" class. You not trying to bash it so you can get it for a better price on the bay are you....? This is exactly the issue I see with the street scene "political art". That is, people putting a certain "value" and treating it as some kind of "investment" vehicle. Big contradiction. I gave my opinions on the shell piece. How many people are buying it for the the message? Im not going to lie and say I dont buy stuff that I can see increasing in value down the line. Its the nature of the beast and sometimes I get very conflicted myself...
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 29, 2007 23:11:12 GMT 1, i think bobby has articulated his point superbly. i don't want to criticise chris' work too much as i know what a nice bloke he is, which is kind of an insult to him already. i think the image in question makes it's point superbly, yet in years to come may seem somewhat lightweight, just my opinion.
there is much to be said about a hard hitting image that reflects a campiagn, as a work of art i think it has to have more legs, something that still stands up in twenty years time. that is the basis on which i make most purchase decisions, hardly a science, just a matter of opinion but one i think makes sense.
debate is always healthy but i'd love more people to be like bobby and say why they think 'yes, because........' or 'no, because..........', you know, just back themselves up or at least qualify what they're saying.
always two sides too .
i think bobby has articulated his point superbly. i don't want to criticise chris' work too much as i know what a nice bloke he is, which is kind of an insult to him already. i think the image in question makes it's point superbly, yet in years to come may seem somewhat lightweight, just my opinion. there is much to be said about a hard hitting image that reflects a campiagn, as a work of art i think it has to have more legs, something that still stands up in twenty years time. that is the basis on which i make most purchase decisions, hardly a science, just a matter of opinion but one i think makes sense. debate is always healthy but i'd love more people to be like bobby and say why they think 'yes, because........' or 'no, because..........', you know, just back themselves up or at least qualify what they're saying. always two sides too .
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by dave313perry on Jul 16, 2007 18:31:25 GMT 1, Seems this image is so desireable theres no roof on the price!!!
-160132487410 from the USA and about to go for a packet!
Seems this image is so desireable theres no roof on the price!!!
-160132487410 from the USA and about to go for a packet!
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2007 21:36:19 GMT 1, holy shit. i watching that auction. didn't expect it to go that high.
Didn't the last few sell for around Β£200?
holy shit. i watching that auction. didn't expect it to go that high.
Didn't the last few sell for around Β£200?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by dave313perry on Jul 16, 2007 21:38:48 GMT 1, Yup!
thats an unsigned LV Child
Β£331.79
WOW!
Yup!
thats an unsigned LV Child
Β£331.79
WOW!
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