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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by fartofthestate on Nov 22, 2007 20:56:03 GMT 1, I don't like it too much but is that photo not of the canvas?
I don't like it too much but is that photo not of the canvas?
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by fartofthestate on Nov 22, 2007 20:56:37 GMT 1, Has anyone else seen the photos of his new pieces? The blew my mind.
Has anyone else seen the photos of his new pieces? The blew my mind.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by nacional on Nov 23, 2007 11:35:30 GMT 1, I think this is a grower. If you look at the actual image it does seem to be printed on newspaper, so I was only being half dumb when I said it may be pre-WW2 newspaper.
I am really going to show my historical ignorance, but is the guy Clement Attlee?? It doesn't look like Chamberlain, who would be a better candidate for the comment "lies": peace in our time etc...
If it is Attlee I don't really get it as he took over from Churchhill after the war.
I actually like the simplicity of it.
I think this is a grower. If you look at the actual image it does seem to be printed on newspaper, so I was only being half dumb when I said it may be pre-WW2 newspaper.
I am really going to show my historical ignorance, but is the guy Clement Attlee?? It doesn't look like Chamberlain, who would be a better candidate for the comment "lies": peace in our time etc...
If it is Attlee I don't really get it as he took over from Churchhill after the war.
I actually like the simplicity of it.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by snakes on Nov 23, 2007 11:40:15 GMT 1, What, no one has an opinion on the new Beejoir, but his prints sell like s**t off a shovel, he racks up bids like banksy on the bay and his seems to be the only artist who's work is going up in price at the moment???
Hate to disturb your dream but since the 'Stolen' show earlier o in the year when his prints were selling for selling for silly money (SBFO 125 ยฃ6-700 when release price was ยฃ125) they have been on a downward spiral (SBFO 125 lucky to get ยฃ220).
That includes prices on turin scam, LV childs etc etc.
What, no one has an opinion on the new Beejoir, but his prints sell like s**t off a shovel, he racks up bids like banksy on the bay and his seems to be the only artist who's work is going up in price at the moment??? Hate to disturb your dream but since the 'Stolen' show earlier o in the year when his prints were selling for selling for silly money (SBFO 125 ยฃ6-700 when release price was ยฃ125) they have been on a downward spiral (SBFO 125 lucky to get ยฃ220). That includes prices on turin scam, LV childs etc etc. |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by BONGO on Nov 23, 2007 11:40:42 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT COULD BE FDR, BUT IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM POSTAGE STAMP SIZED PREVIEW
BONGO THINK THAT MAYBE FDR COULD BE A APT CANDIDATE FOR A PERIOD FIGUREHEAD MAYBE BECAUSE OF HIS FEAR ITSELF SPEECH AND STEWARDSHIP IF THE GREAT DEPRESSION.
BONGO NOT SURE HOW LIES FITS INTO FDR THO'
BONGO THINK IT COULD BE FDR, BUT IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM POSTAGE STAMP SIZED PREVIEW
BONGO THINK THAT MAYBE FDR COULD BE A APT CANDIDATE FOR A PERIOD FIGUREHEAD MAYBE BECAUSE OF HIS FEAR ITSELF SPEECH AND STEWARDSHIP IF THE GREAT DEPRESSION.
BONGO NOT SURE HOW LIES FITS INTO FDR THO'
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by nacional on Nov 23, 2007 11:44:42 GMT 1, Snakes
Is there a point in you quoting yourself??
I bow to your point on the prices, but don't get the above...
Snakes
Is there a point in you quoting yourself??
I bow to your point on the prices, but don't get the above...
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by ogrgel on Nov 23, 2007 11:47:51 GMT 1, What, no one has an opinion on the new Beejoir, but his prints sell like s**t off a shovel, he racks up bids like banksy on the bay and his seems to be the only artist who's work is going up in price at the moment??? Hate to disturb your dream but since the 'Stolen' show earlier o in the year when his prints were selling for selling for silly money (SBFO 125 ยฃ6-700 when release price was ยฃ125) they have been on a downward spiral (SBFO 125 lucky to get ยฃ220). That includes prices on turin scam, LV childs etc etc.
I think reason for that was that SoS were quite quiet for last few weeks but lets hope the quiet time is now over
What, no one has an opinion on the new Beejoir, but his prints sell like s**t off a shovel, he racks up bids like banksy on the bay and his seems to be the only artist who's work is going up in price at the moment??? Hate to disturb your dream but since the 'Stolen' show earlier o in the year when his prints were selling for selling for silly money (SBFO 125 ยฃ6-700 when release price was ยฃ125) they have been on a downward spiral (SBFO 125 lucky to get ยฃ220). That includes prices on turin scam, LV childs etc etc. I think reason for that was that SoS were quite quiet for last few weeks but lets hope the quiet time is now over |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by jam on Nov 23, 2007 11:58:50 GMT 1, The other reason prices of Beejoir prints are down is, prices of virtually every artists prints are down at the moment with the holidays approaching.
The other reason prices of Beejoir prints are down is, prices of virtually every artists prints are down at the moment with the holidays approaching.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by numusic on Nov 23, 2007 12:01:47 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT COULD BE FDR, BUT IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM POSTAGE STAMP SIZED PREVIEW BONGO THINK THAT MAYBE FDR COULD BE A APT CANDIDATE FOR A PERIOD FIGUREHEAD MAYBE BECAUSE OF HIS FEAR ITSELF SPEECH AND STEWARDSHIP IF THE GREAT DEPRESSION. BONGO NOT SURE HOW LIES FITS INTO FDR THO'
Its a paste up that he put up in Bangkok after the government restricted News offices and told them what they were allowed to say and not to say, most of which were lies.
I suspect it's just a random newsreader and not meant to be specific
BONGO THINK IT COULD BE FDR, BUT IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM POSTAGE STAMP SIZED PREVIEW BONGO THINK THAT MAYBE FDR COULD BE A APT CANDIDATE FOR A PERIOD FIGUREHEAD MAYBE BECAUSE OF HIS FEAR ITSELF SPEECH AND STEWARDSHIP IF THE GREAT DEPRESSION. BONGO NOT SURE HOW LIES FITS INTO FDR THO' Its a paste up that he put up in Bangkok after the government restricted News offices and told them what they were allowed to say and not to say, most of which were lies. I suspect it's just a random newsreader and not meant to be specific |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by Martin Whatson on Nov 23, 2007 12:03:57 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT COULD BE FDR, BUT IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM POSTAGE STAMP SIZED PREVIEW BONGO THINK THAT MAYBE FDR COULD BE A APT CANDIDATE FOR A PERIOD FIGUREHEAD MAYBE BECAUSE OF HIS FEAR ITSELF SPEECH AND STEWARDSHIP IF THE GREAT DEPRESSION. BONGO NOT SURE HOW LIES FITS INTO FDR THO' Its a paste up that he put up in Bangkok after the government restricted News offices and told them what they were allowed to say and not to say, most of which were lies. I suspect it's just a random newsreader and not meant to be specific
Its also not possible to get into Youtube in Thailand because there has been a few vids that offend the Thai King!
BONGO THINK IT COULD BE FDR, BUT IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM POSTAGE STAMP SIZED PREVIEW BONGO THINK THAT MAYBE FDR COULD BE A APT CANDIDATE FOR A PERIOD FIGUREHEAD MAYBE BECAUSE OF HIS FEAR ITSELF SPEECH AND STEWARDSHIP IF THE GREAT DEPRESSION. BONGO NOT SURE HOW LIES FITS INTO FDR THO' Its a paste up that he put up in Bangkok after the government restricted News offices and told them what they were allowed to say and not to say, most of which were lies. I suspect it's just a random newsreader and not meant to be specific Its also not possible to get into Youtube in Thailand because there has been a few vids that offend the Thai King! |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by mainartery on Nov 23, 2007 12:08:27 GMT 1, Not feeling the lies at all
Not feeling the lies at all
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by Deleted on Nov 23, 2007 13:56:31 GMT 1, [/quote]
Its a paste up that he put up in Bangkok after the government restricted News offices and told them what they were allowed to say and not to say, most of which were lies.
I suspect it's just a random newsreader and not meant to be specific
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the newsreader is reading the news on the night that the Hiroshima bomb was dropped. i have to say that when i first saw this a long while ago it didnt do much for me. but now i love it. so if anyone that doesnt like it stays away then i may stand a chance of buying a beejoir at cost for a chance. 
[/quote] Its a paste up that he put up in Bangkok after the government restricted News offices and told them what they were allowed to say and not to say, most of which were lies. I suspect it's just a random newsreader and not meant to be specific [/quote] the newsreader is reading the news on the night that the Hiroshima bomb was dropped. i have to say that when i first saw this a long while ago it didnt do much for me. but now i love it. so if anyone that doesnt like it stays away then i may stand a chance of buying a beejoir at cost for a chance. |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by frank11 on Nov 23, 2007 14:01:12 GMT 1, liking it more and more!!
And have to agree Slammer, so many people said they don't like. i am also hoping i can finally get one of these at source
liking it more and more!!
And have to agree Slammer, so many people said they don't like. i am also hoping i can finally get one of these at source
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by fartofthestate on Nov 23, 2007 15:58:03 GMT 1, Hate to disturb your dream but since the 'Stolen' show earlier on in the year when his prints were selling for selling for silly money (SBFO 125 ยฃ6-700 when release price was ยฃ125) they have been on a downward spiral in the last few months(SBFO 125 lucky to get ยฃ220). That includes prices on turin scam, LV childs etc etc.
If your looking at it from a money point of view didn't the LV's only cost 35 quid? The Shell on Real money 100 quid and the Turin 50 quid? From my point of view not many prints fetch 5 times their original value on the secondary market even with the price slump that we are having at the moment, Banksys were going for almost double the prices they are now during the same period 6 months ago.
Hate to disturb your dream but since the 'Stolen' show earlier on in the year when his prints were selling for selling for silly money (SBFO 125 ยฃ6-700 when release price was ยฃ125) they have been on a downward spiral in the last few months(SBFO 125 lucky to get ยฃ220). That includes prices on turin scam, LV childs etc etc. If your looking at it from a money point of view didn't the LV's only cost 35 quid? The Shell on Real money 100 quid and the Turin 50 quid? From my point of view not many prints fetch 5 times their original value on the secondary market even with the price slump that we are having at the moment, Banksys were going for almost double the prices they are now during the same period 6 months ago. |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by fartofthestate on Nov 23, 2007 16:02:48 GMT 1, Its also strange and somewhat twatty watching people look at it from a 'fast buck' perspective, when I bought my Banksys 5 years ago they were worth less than what I paid for them for them for a very long time.
In this age of stupidity people judge things on the price of flipping, I'd love to see someone make it really big, either another POW/SOS/BRP artist thats been flipped to death, just so I can hear the flippers weep that they once sold one a week after they bought it for only twice the price they paid for and now its worth 10,000 pounds.
Its also strange and somewhat twatty watching people look at it from a 'fast buck' perspective, when I bought my Banksys 5 years ago they were worth less than what I paid for them for them for a very long time.
In this age of stupidity people judge things on the price of flipping, I'd love to see someone make it really big, either another POW/SOS/BRP artist thats been flipped to death, just so I can hear the flippers weep that they once sold one a week after they bought it for only twice the price they paid for and now its worth 10,000 pounds.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by Avian Security on Nov 23, 2007 16:05:57 GMT 1, The other reason prices of Beejoir prints are down is, prices of virtually every artists prints are down at the moment with the holidays approaching.
This time last year, there was no such "lull" in prices.
The other reason prices of Beejoir prints are down is, prices of virtually every artists prints are down at the moment with the holidays approaching. This time last year, there was no such "lull" in prices. |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by slowmo on Nov 23, 2007 16:07:45 GMT 1, In context as nu pointed out its great. As a piece on your wall..........
In context as nu pointed out its great. As a piece on your wall..........
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by nacional on Nov 23, 2007 16:36:50 GMT 1, Don't the two go hand-in-hand. As I was always taught, you can't separate the artist from his work.
This doesn't mean that we can't appreciate art, any art, without prior knowledge of the artist and his/her context, but if we are aware of this context it will inevitably inform our understanding of the art which will per se deepen our appreciation of it. Or, indeed, our loathing of it.
Don't the two go hand-in-hand. As I was always taught, you can't separate the artist from his work.
This doesn't mean that we can't appreciate art, any art, without prior knowledge of the artist and his/her context, but if we are aware of this context it will inevitably inform our understanding of the art which will per se deepen our appreciation of it. Or, indeed, our loathing of it.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by numusic on Nov 23, 2007 17:06:37 GMT 1, Don't the two go hand-in-hand. As I was always taught, you can't separate the artist from his work. This doesn't mean that we can't appreciate art, any art, without prior knowledge of the artist and his/her context, but if we are aware of this context it will inevitably inform our understanding of the art which will per se deepen our appreciation of it. Or, indeed, our loathing of it.
Nice one... agree 100%. A pretty picture on your wall is only one part of it IMO. In fact, looking around my house, there's some fucking ugly stuff on the walls. so in some cases, the pretty picture aspect of art is maybe only a small % of why we appreciate some of the stuff we do.
Don't the two go hand-in-hand. As I was always taught, you can't separate the artist from his work. This doesn't mean that we can't appreciate art, any art, without prior knowledge of the artist and his/her context, but if we are aware of this context it will inevitably inform our understanding of the art which will per se deepen our appreciation of it. Or, indeed, our loathing of it. Nice one... agree 100%. A pretty picture on your wall is only one part of it IMO. In fact, looking around my house, there's some fucking ugly stuff on the walls. so in some cases, the pretty picture aspect of art is maybe only a small % of why we appreciate some of the stuff we do. |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by slowmo on Nov 23, 2007 17:25:39 GMT 1, This is an immediate image, good in context, not so good out. On its own, its poor, a bit like this. If I had pasted this up in Bangkok when the military took rule, would this now be a better piece?
This is an immediate image, good in context, not so good out. On its own, its poor, a bit like this. If I had pasted this up in Bangkok when the military took rule, would this now be a better piece? |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by nacional on Nov 23, 2007 18:33:53 GMT 1, But the Beejoir piece cannot be removed from its context as I'm now aware of the context. I can't undo something that I know. Also, it has universality: I thought it was one historical character, Bongo thought another, turns out it was neither, or both, or none at all. The fact that Beejoir sent it out with reference to a specific occurence does not mean that it is restricted to that occurence.
Anyway, once art has been produced it is out of the hands of the artist and belongs to the public who are entitled to interpret it as they like.
Knowing what Beejoir was getting at informs me but I can take that information and either ignore it, add to it, or do what I want.
Blah blah blah
But the Beejoir piece cannot be removed from its context as I'm now aware of the context. I can't undo something that I know. Also, it has universality: I thought it was one historical character, Bongo thought another, turns out it was neither, or both, or none at all. The fact that Beejoir sent it out with reference to a specific occurence does not mean that it is restricted to that occurence.
Anyway, once art has been produced it is out of the hands of the artist and belongs to the public who are entitled to interpret it as they like.
Knowing what Beejoir was getting at informs me but I can take that information and either ignore it, add to it, or do what I want.
Blah blah blah
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by Gentle Mental on Nov 23, 2007 18:46:21 GMT 1, it doesn't feel like art, it feels editorial. but i like it, cuz it's rather intense - that's beejoir's strength, not aesthetics, but that crazy freaky streak.
it doesn't feel like art, it feels editorial. but i like it, cuz it's rather intense - that's beejoir's strength, not aesthetics, but that crazy freaky streak.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by Harveyn on Nov 23, 2007 21:55:39 GMT 1, This is a strong piece the interpretation of which is of course influenced by definition and understanding. Both of which may add or detract from one's appreciation. But that should be true of all art. For me pieces that make me contemplate the reason for their existence can be the most rewarding of all, even though they may have first appeared to have little to offer. Imagery should only be a one element of what a piece of art has to offer. IMO.
This is a strong piece the interpretation of which is of course influenced by definition and understanding. Both of which may add or detract from one's appreciation. But that should be true of all art. For me pieces that make me contemplate the reason for their existence can be the most rewarding of all, even though they may have first appeared to have little to offer. Imagery should only be a one element of what a piece of art has to offer. IMO.
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by frank11 on Nov 23, 2007 22:02:50 GMT 1, This is a strong piece the interpretation of which is of course influenced by definition and understanding. Both of which may add or detract from one's appreciation. But that should be true of all art. For me pieces that make me contemplate the reason for their existence can be the most rewarding of all, even though they may have first appeared to have little to offer. Imagery should only be a one element of what a piece of art has to offer. IMO.
That is so what i have been trying to say...
I love the fact it is so brash. When so many people are willing to give up on having an opinion due to political correctness.
I want this print ;D
This is a strong piece the interpretation of which is of course influenced by definition and understanding. Both of which may add or detract from one's appreciation. But that should be true of all art. For me pieces that make me contemplate the reason for their existence can be the most rewarding of all, even though they may have first appeared to have little to offer. Imagery should only be a one element of what a piece of art has to offer. IMO. That is so what i have been trying to say... I love the fact it is so brash. When so many people are willing to give up on having an opinion due to political correctness. I want this print ;D |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by sausageboonwee on Nov 23, 2007 22:44:09 GMT 1, I think it's a strong print. I look forward to seeing one
I think it's a strong print. I look forward to seeing one
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by craigf on Nov 23, 2007 23:28:35 GMT 1, One of the reasons I spend time on this forum is the diverse views and the understanding / information relating to artists and pieces. For me context is very important and these posts have opened up a higher level of understanding for me in relation to this piece. Both SBFO and TS had contexts I understood. I still believe they were stronger images than this one, but I can now appreciate it more 
One of the reasons I spend time on this forum is the diverse views and the understanding / information relating to artists and pieces. For me context is very important and these posts have opened up a higher level of understanding for me in relation to this piece. Both SBFO and TS had contexts I understood. I still believe they were stronger images than this one, but I can now appreciate it more |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by stuey09 on Nov 23, 2007 23:37:49 GMT 1, One of the reasons I spend time on this forum is the diverse views and the understanding / information relating to artists and pieces. For me context is very important and these posts have opened up a higher level of understanding for me in relation to this piece. Both SBFO and TS had contexts I understood. I still believe they were stronger images than this one, but I can now appreciate it more
I agree that SBFO and TS were much more powerful. Lies is a little less obvious, but none of them have the depth behind LV child which is a class piece of work.
One of the reasons I spend time on this forum is the diverse views and the understanding / information relating to artists and pieces. For me context is very important and these posts have opened up a higher level of understanding for me in relation to this piece. Both SBFO and TS had contexts I understood. I still believe they were stronger images than this one, but I can now appreciate it more I agree that SBFO and TS were much more powerful. Lies is a little less obvious, but none of them have the depth behind LV child which is a class piece of work. |
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by paulypaul on Nov 23, 2007 23:42:43 GMT 1, Tastes a funny old thing. I hate Lies - I think it is truly pointless. It's reportage on a paricular event. I have newspapers for that. SBFO was, for me, a little bit sixth form, as was LV Child. TS is a superb, multi level piece of thought provoking art. Quite brilliant. If anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price, please PM me...
Tastes a funny old thing. I hate Lies - I think it is truly pointless. It's reportage on a paricular event. I have newspapers for that. SBFO was, for me, a little bit sixth form, as was LV Child. TS is a superb, multi level piece of thought provoking art. Quite brilliant. If anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price, please PM me...
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Beejoir ๐ฌ๐ง LV Child โข Imodium โข Colour of Money, by morrissey1 on Nov 23, 2007 23:51:31 GMT 1, do we know if the word "lies" is going to be hand-sprayed by Beejoir?
do we know if the word "lies" is going to be hand-sprayed by Beejoir?
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