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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by The Observer on Jun 13, 2017 4:31:36 GMT 1, A couple of legends from opposite sides of the pond have been releasing alot of work recently.
A couple of legends from opposite sides of the pond have been releasing alot of work recently.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by jmd on Jun 13, 2017 4:49:34 GMT 1, Sweettoof for me
Sweettoof for me
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by touchdowntodd on Jun 13, 2017 5:25:10 GMT 1, I just can't do Seen ... legend for sure, but just whoring it out at a new level
I just can't do Seen ... legend for sure, but just whoring it out at a new level
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by iamzero on Jun 13, 2017 6:57:02 GMT 1, I have originals from both. Impossible to choose.
I have originals from both. Impossible to choose.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Coach on Jun 13, 2017 9:56:37 GMT 1, I just can't do Seen ... legend for sure, but just whoring it out at a new level
I just don't see it like that.
He's releasing small affordable originals, so that people who like his work can own some. Sure, if your motive is the hope of rocketing secondary value, it might not be great. But for the love of art, it's wonderful.
Plus, a mans got to eat!
I just can't do Seen ... legend for sure, but just whoring it out at a new level I just don't see it like that. He's releasing small affordable originals, so that people who like his work can own some. Sure, if your motive is the hope of rocketing secondary value, it might not be great. But for the love of art, it's wonderful. Plus, a mans got to eat! |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by touchdowntodd on Jun 13, 2017 13:03:45 GMT 1, I just can't do Seen ... legend for sure, but just whoring it out at a new level I just don't see it like that. He's releasing small affordable originals, so that people who like his work can own some. Sure, if your motive is the hope of rocketing secondary value, it might not be great. But for the love of art, it's wonderful. Plus, a mans got to eat!
I'm not a value or flipping type. But I do honestly like the things I own to feel limited .. for me atleast. I respect what he's doing, but simultaneously why not just do 1 large 150+ item release .. while he's doing a good thing to feed bus fans, 10-15 items once a week in all honesty just feels more like a hype show, or an attempt to stay relevant. Idk. I kudu dislike the release design possibly more than the work. .
I just can't do Seen ... legend for sure, but just whoring it out at a new level I just don't see it like that. He's releasing small affordable originals, so that people who like his work can own some. Sure, if your motive is the hope of rocketing secondary value, it might not be great. But for the love of art, it's wonderful. Plus, a mans got to eat! I'm not a value or flipping type. But I do honestly like the things I own to feel limited .. for me atleast. I respect what he's doing, but simultaneously why not just do 1 large 150+ item release .. while he's doing a good thing to feed bus fans, 10-15 items once a week in all honesty just feels more like a hype show, or an attempt to stay relevant. Idk. I kudu dislike the release design possibly more than the work. . |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Dibbs 45 on Jun 13, 2017 13:30:25 GMT 1, I like both. Both artists make a living this way and fans get what they want in terms of owning OGs. Both have sound reputations on different sides of the pond. However presumably it must be hard for artists to decide whether their career should be managed in order to set themselves towards becoming a marketable commodity and broaden their reputation against keeping it real with their feet firmly on the ground. Banksy seems to have managed both. An art in itself.
I like both. Both artists make a living this way and fans get what they want in terms of owning OGs. Both have sound reputations on different sides of the pond. However presumably it must be hard for artists to decide whether their career should be managed in order to set themselves towards becoming a marketable commodity and broaden their reputation against keeping it real with their feet firmly on the ground. Banksy seems to have managed both. An art in itself.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:39:15 GMT 1, I just don't see it like that. He's releasing small affordable originals, so that people who like his work can own some. Sure, if your motive is the hope of rocketing secondary value, it might not be great. But for the love of art, it's wonderful. Plus, a mans got to eat! I'm not a value or flipping type. But I do honestly like the things I own to feel limited .. for me atleast. I respect what he's doing, but simultaneously why not just do 1 large 150+ item release .. while he's doing a good thing to feed bus fans, 10-15 items once a week in all honesty just feels more like a hype show, or an attempt to stay relevant. Idk. I kudu dislike the release design possibly more than the work. .
If its limited that you prefer to collect than what is more limited than a one of a kind original work? As he has said on here he will not make these available forever. If he were only to have made say 10 pieces than MAYBE they would have landed in the hands of collectors but by keeping it going for a bit he ensures that most of his fans are able to get an original, and piece of history at pretty reasonable prices. Just my 2 cents. Of course if you don't like the art itself than you do t like it. No worries.
I just don't see it like that. He's releasing small affordable originals, so that people who like his work can own some. Sure, if your motive is the hope of rocketing secondary value, it might not be great. But for the love of art, it's wonderful. Plus, a mans got to eat! I'm not a value or flipping type. But I do honestly like the things I own to feel limited .. for me atleast. I respect what he's doing, but simultaneously why not just do 1 large 150+ item release .. while he's doing a good thing to feed bus fans, 10-15 items once a week in all honesty just feels more like a hype show, or an attempt to stay relevant. Idk. I kudu dislike the release design possibly more than the work. . If its limited that you prefer to collect than what is more limited than a one of a kind original work? As he has said on here he will not make these available forever. If he were only to have made say 10 pieces than MAYBE they would have landed in the hands of collectors but by keeping it going for a bit he ensures that most of his fans are able to get an original, and piece of history at pretty reasonable prices. Just my 2 cents. Of course if you don't like the art itself than you do t like it. No worries. |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by iamzero on Jun 13, 2017 17:22:15 GMT 1, An attempt to stay relevant? I don't understand this statement... how much more of a pioneer of graffiti art do you want your street art legends to be for them to be relevant!!! The man is a true icon.
An attempt to stay relevant? I don't understand this statement... how much more of a pioneer of graffiti art do you want your street art legends to be for them to be relevant!!! The man is a true icon.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by churchwood on Jun 13, 2017 19:20:18 GMT 1, An attempt to stay relevant? I don't understand this statement... how much more of a pioneer of graffiti art do you want your street art legends to be for them to be relevant!!! The man is a true icon.
Couldn't make a choice between the two, both producing original and well priced work so both winners
An attempt to stay relevant? I don't understand this statement... how much more of a pioneer of graffiti art do you want your street art legends to be for them to be relevant!!! The man is a true icon. He also seems down to earth and a pretty decent guy to boot too. Couldn't make a choice between the two, both producing original and well priced work so both winners |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by easycraig on Jun 13, 2017 19:37:09 GMT 1, buy what you like and don't worry about what others think....
buy what you like and don't worry about what others think....
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Fake on Jun 13, 2017 21:01:59 GMT 1, Just visited a show with large SEEN work, and they where 20K Euro minimum for a 150x150cm canvas.
Just visited a show with large SEEN work, and they where 20K Euro minimum for a 150x150cm canvas.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by The Observer on Jun 13, 2017 21:31:42 GMT 1, buy what you like and don't worry about what others think....
Good point. I have actually purchased originals from both because I like them both. In my opinion, they are both legends of the genre and given their different styles they may appeal to different tastes. For example, my brother does not understand why I want a large skeleton with bright gums on my wall π; however he recognizes Seens style of graffiti from NYC. I enjoyed explaining the background of the Sweettoof skeleton as well as his classically trained oil skills. It's all fascinating and quite interesting to see which artist resonates more with the forum members. If I had to pick one I'd go with sweettoof because the work is just so unique, but it is nice to not have to make that choice.
buy what you like and don't worry about what others think.... Good point. I have actually purchased originals from both because I like them both. In my opinion, they are both legends of the genre and given their different styles they may appeal to different tastes. For example, my brother does not understand why I want a large skeleton with bright gums on my wall π; however he recognizes Seens style of graffiti from NYC. I enjoyed explaining the background of the Sweettoof skeleton as well as his classically trained oil skills. It's all fascinating and quite interesting to see which artist resonates more with the forum members. If I had to pick one I'd go with sweettoof because the work is just so unique, but it is nice to not have to make that choice. |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Dust Buster on Jun 14, 2017 14:29:47 GMT 1, Quick question to anyone here who has bought a canvas - are the stated dimensions for the art only, or for the full dimensions of the canvas?
Quick question to anyone here who has bought a canvas - are the stated dimensions for the art only, or for the full dimensions of the canvas?
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by churchwood on Jun 14, 2017 15:22:22 GMT 1, Quick question to anyone here who has bought a canvas - are the stated dimensions for the art only, or for the full dimensions of the canvas?
I cannot check as once they go from the site they are hard to see/find but I have had 2 from GL - one had a border and one was sprayed edge to edge/end to end with no border for stretching and I think in both cases the size quoted at point of sale was the total canvas size and not the image
hope that -- in a convoluted way -- helps
cheers
Quick question to anyone here who has bought a canvas - are the stated dimensions for the art only, or for the full dimensions of the canvas? Pretty sure they are for the actual size of the unstretched canvas rather than the artwork on it - most seem to have a border left for stretching so the size quoted includes artwork and border I cannot check as once they go from the site they are hard to see/find but I have had 2 from GL - one had a border and one was sprayed edge to edge/end to end with no border for stretching and I think in both cases the size quoted at point of sale was the total canvas size and not the image hope that -- in a convoluted way -- helps cheers |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Dust Buster on Jun 14, 2017 15:58:45 GMT 1, Pretty sure they are for the actual size of the unstretched canvas rather than the artwork on it - most seem to have a border left for stretching so the size quoted includes artwork and border I cannot check as once they go from the site they are hard to see/find but I have had 2 from GL - one had a border and one was sprayed edge to edge/end to end with no border for stretching and I think in both cases the size quoted at point of sale was the total canvas size and not the image hope that -- in a convoluted way -- helps cheers
Thanks, yeah I'm just trying to figure out if I can order a stretcher before my canvas arrives. Sounds like I should wait.
Pretty sure they are for the actual size of the unstretched canvas rather than the artwork on it - most seem to have a border left for stretching so the size quoted includes artwork and border I cannot check as once they go from the site they are hard to see/find but I have had 2 from GL - one had a border and one was sprayed edge to edge/end to end with no border for stretching and I think in both cases the size quoted at point of sale was the total canvas size and not the image hope that -- in a convoluted way -- helps cheers Thanks, yeah I'm just trying to figure out if I can order a stretcher before my canvas arrives. Sounds like I should wait. |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by churchwood on Jun 14, 2017 16:00:19 GMT 1, I'd wait to be certain - they don't hang around on the postage so hopefully not too long
I'd wait to be certain - they don't hang around on the postage so hopefully not too long
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by easycraig on Jun 14, 2017 16:13:19 GMT 1, I am guessing the size stated is the actual size of the un-stretched canvas with the boarders. The small one's I bought first were listed at 12x16 inches and they were. The most recent I purchased says it was 11x16, I am hoping it was a typo but my guess is it is not. This means the mat will have to be 1.5 inches on the sides and 1 inch on the top and bottom, -or I cheat it a bit and cover some of the top and bottom
( will probably make the mat 1.25 for top and bottom, to make it look more even in a 12x16 frame. ) ec
I am guessing the size stated is the actual size of the un-stretched canvas with the boarders. The small one's I bought first were listed at 12x16 inches and they were. The most recent I purchased says it was 11x16, I am hoping it was a typo but my guess is it is not. This means the mat will have to be 1.5 inches on the sides and 1 inch on the top and bottom, -or I cheat it a bit and cover some of the top and bottom
( will probably make the mat 1.25 for top and bottom, to make it look more even in a 12x16 frame. ) ec
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by easycraig on Jun 14, 2017 16:19:55 GMT 1, If you are stretching the canvas for sure wait on ordering, some of my boarders were less than 1 inch in size.
If you are stretching the canvas for sure wait on ordering, some of my boarders were less than 1 inch in size.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Graffiti Loser on Jun 15, 2017 4:20:48 GMT 1, OK People..... Let me explain to give you guys a better idea of how i measure each painting.
When a painting is listed, i list it as an un-stretched size, I do this because people may want to stretch it the size of their choice, or some may not want to stretch at all, some choose to put in a frame.
There is a one inch boarder around all four sides. this i do for the smaller size canvas so i can tape them to the wall instead of stapling to the wall. So if i list a painting to be 22 x 28 inches this size will include the one inch boarder all around, Also i do this for stretching purposing which the one inch boarder would end up stapled to the back of the stretcher bar. if your framing the work then the one inch boarder goes under the matt board in the frame.
I hope this info helps those who are asking.
Thanks SEEN
PS, i will in the future make it more clear in future listings.
OK People..... Let me explain to give you guys a better idea of how i measure each painting.
When a painting is listed, i list it as an un-stretched size, I do this because people may want to stretch it the size of their choice, or some may not want to stretch at all, some choose to put in a frame.
There is a one inch boarder around all four sides. this i do for the smaller size canvas so i can tape them to the wall instead of stapling to the wall. So if i list a painting to be 22 x 28 inches this size will include the one inch boarder all around, Also i do this for stretching purposing which the one inch boarder would end up stapled to the back of the stretcher bar. if your framing the work then the one inch boarder goes under the matt board in the frame.
I hope this info helps those who are asking.
Thanks SEEN
PS, i will in the future make it more clear in future listings.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Poly Mindset on Jun 15, 2017 4:47:15 GMT 1, What kind of canvas do you use for your work linen or cotton? I only ask because I had a canvas by another street artist and it was on linen and after years of temperature fluctuation the acrylic spray paint was susceptible to cracking because the canvas didn't breathe as well as cotton. Have you experienced this at all. by the way, love your stuff but would like to see more of the floating spray cans.
What kind of canvas do you use for your work linen or cotton? I only ask because I had a canvas by another street artist and it was on linen and after years of temperature fluctuation the acrylic spray paint was susceptible to cracking because the canvas didn't breathe as well as cotton. Have you experienced this at all. by the way, love your stuff but would like to see more of the floating spray cans.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Graffiti Loser on Jun 15, 2017 19:14:42 GMT 1, Your correct about linen, i find it stiffen's up after time, especially when using spray paint. All canvas that is being created for Graffiti loser is on Cotton canvas.
Your correct about linen, i find it stiffen's up after time, especially when using spray paint. All canvas that is being created for Graffiti loser is on Cotton canvas.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Poly Mindset on Jun 15, 2017 19:21:58 GMT 1, Your correct about linen, i find it stiffen's up after time, especially when using spray paint. All canvas that is being created for Graffiti loser is on Cotton canvas.
Your correct about linen, i find it stiffen's up after time, especially when using spray paint. All canvas that is being created for Graffiti loser is on Cotton canvas. Excellent. This is one more reason buyers should feel good about owning a Seen original. |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Dust Buster on Jun 15, 2017 19:58:47 GMT 1, Thanks! Although I was the original one who asked, I wouldn't say there's a lack of clarity in the listing at all. I was just wondering if I could get it on my wall quicker by ordering a stretcher in advance 
Thanks! Although I was the original one who asked, I wouldn't say there's a lack of clarity in the listing at all. I was just wondering if I could get it on my wall quicker by ordering a stretcher in advance |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Graffiti Loser on Jun 15, 2017 21:42:28 GMT 1, DUSTBUSTER,,,,, Anytime i buy something i wait until i receive it, then i decide what i'll do.
My opinion is i would wait till you receive it.
DUSTBUSTER,,,,, Anytime i buy something i wait until i receive it, then i decide what i'll do.
My opinion is i would wait till you receive it.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by easycraig on Jun 17, 2017 6:02:28 GMT 1, Arrived this afternoon...... framed this evening. Another keeper... thx. EC
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Roman Emperor on Jun 18, 2017 13:10:27 GMT 1, Arrived this afternoon...... framed this evening. Another keeper... thx. EC Great framing, but at this point you are very well trained!!
I hope to find a black mat easily, for instance at IKEA they have a very decent frame of the right size but only white mats. Anyway my canvas is still travelling so I will look for the mat when it arrives.
Arrived this afternoon...... framed this evening. Another keeper... thx. EC Great framing, but at this point you are very well trained!!
I hope to find a black mat easily, for instance at IKEA they have a very decent frame of the right size but only white mats. Anyway my canvas is still travelling so I will look for the mat when it arrives.
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Dive Jedi on Jun 18, 2017 13:27:39 GMT 1, DUSTBUSTER,,,,, Anytime i buy something i wait until i receive it, then i decide what i'll do. My opinion is i would wait till you receive it.
You're a boss !!
DUSTBUSTER,,,,, Anytime i buy something i wait until i receive it, then i decide what i'll do. My opinion is i would wait till you receive it. You're a boss !! |
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Winks on Jun 19, 2017 12:18:06 GMT 1, Pieces up now
Pieces up now
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SEEN πΊπΈ Richard "Richie" Mirando β’ Godfather of Graffiti, by Pavoni on Jun 22, 2017 13:01:17 GMT 1, Big in Japan...!
Thank you SEEN! Canvas arrived today, getting bars and this will be stretched. (Got the Psycho marker drawing years ago).
Like probably everyone on this board, much respect and love for what you do and have done over the years. Glad to own a small piece of it.
Really like what you are doing on Graffiti Loser. Keep it up.
Thanks!
Big in Japan...! Thank you SEEN! Canvas arrived today, getting bars and this will be stretched. (Got the Psycho marker drawing years ago). Like probably everyone on this board, much respect and love for what you do and have done over the years. Glad to own a small piece of it. Really like what you are doing on Graffiti Loser. Keep it up. Thanks! |
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