met
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Jan 8, 2017 2:03:53 GMT 1, THE MET LOTTERY
A participation game and ripple-effect social experiment
Undisclosed prize awarded to the winner.
Anyone wishing to qualify must have a minimum of 91 existing posts at the time of entry. In their user profile, at least 4 pages must therefore be visible when clicking the link, 'View this member's recent posts.'
Newbie, lurker or wallflower: This is your friendly heads-up. If you wish to play, then start contributing โ especially if you can do so in a way that adds substance and may benefit others on the forum. There's enough time to increase that post count to 91 without having to resort to bad faith inanities.
Game starts on Wednesday, 1 March 2017 at around 15:00 GMT. Full details published then.
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EDITS: 1 February, 27 March, & 21 July 2017
THE MET LOTTERY โ MARCH 2017
PART I: MARATHON โ Wednesday, 1 March to Friday, 31 March 2017
Key Dates:
1. Wednesday, 1 March 2. Thursday, 2 March 3. Saturday, 4 March 4. Monday, 6 March 5. Thursday, 9 March 6. Sunday, 12 March 7. Monday, 13 March 8. Thursday, 16 March 9. Sunday, 19 March 10. Wednesday, 22 March 11. Saturday, 25 March 12. Monday, 27 March 13. Tuesday, 28 March 14. Thursday, 30 March 15. Friday, 31 March
PART II: HAT TIP โ Friday, 31 March 2017 [Details published late April summer 2017.]
ANNOUNCEMENT OF PART I PRIZE WINNER โ Saturday, 1 April 2017
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EDIT: 1 March 2017
PART I: MARATHON โ GAME FORMAT AND RULES
See here.
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EDIT: 3 March 2017
PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs
1โ12: See here. 13โ24: See here. 25โ36: See here. 37โ48: See here.
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EDITS: 3 & 27 March, & 21 July 2017
PART II: HAT TIP
[To be updated on 31 March late April summer 2017.]
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EDITS: 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 27, 28, 30 & 31 March, 1 April, & 21 July 2017
LOTTERY NUMBER ALLOCATIONS
[To be updated after each allocation.]
1. ed [C1 winner] 2. ed [C1 winner] 3. ed [C2 co-winner] 4. ed [C2 co-winner] 5. tyler [C2 co-winner] 6. twist65 [C3 winner] 7. twist65 [C3 winner] 8. twist65 [C4 winner] 9. twist65 [C4 winner] 10. twist65 [C4 winner] 11. ed [C5 winner] [PART I: MARATHON winner] 12. ed [C5 winner] 13. ed [C5 winner] 14. doyle [C6 winner] 15. doyle [C6 winner] 16. doyle [C7 winner] 17. doyle [C7 winner] 18. doyle [C7 winner] 19. doyle [C7 winner] 20. doyle [C8 winner] 21. doyle [C8 winner] 22. doyle [C8 winner] 23. doyle [C8 winner] 24. doyle [C8 winner] 25. ed [C9 winner] 26. ed [C9 winner] 27. ed [C9 winner] 28. ed [C9 winner] 29. ed [C10 winner] 30. ed [C10 winner] 31. ed [C10 winner] 32. ed [C10 winner] 33. ed [C11 winner] 34. ed [C11 winner] 35. ed [C11 winner] 36. ed [C11 winner] 37. ed [C12 winner] 38. ed [C12 winner] 39. doyle [C13 winner] 40. doyle [C13 winner] 41. doyle [C13 winner] 42. doyle [C14 winner] 43. doyle [C14 winner] 44. doyle [C14 winner] 45. [No winner for C15]
THE MET LOTTERY
A participation game and ripple-effect social experimentUndisclosed prize awarded to the winner. Anyone wishing to qualify must have a minimum of 91 existing posts at the time of entry. In their user profile, at least 4 pages must therefore be visible when clicking the link, 'View this member's recent posts.'Newbie, lurker or wallflower: This is your friendly heads-up. If you wish to play, then start contributing โ especially if you can do so in a way that adds substance and may benefit others on the forum. There's enough time to increase that post count to 91 without having to resort to bad faith inanities. Game starts on Wednesday, 1 March 2017 at around 15:00 GMT. Full details published then. _____________________________________________ EDITS: 1 February, 27 March, & 21 July 2017 THE MET LOTTERY โ MARCH 2017
PART I: MARATHON โ Wednesday, 1 March to Friday, 31 March 2017Key Dates: 1. Wednesday, 1 March 2. Thursday, 2 March 3. Saturday, 4 March 4. Monday, 6 March 5. Thursday, 9 March 6. Sunday, 12 March 7. Monday, 13 March 8. Thursday, 16 March 9. Sunday, 19 March 10. Wednesday, 22 March 11. Saturday, 25 March 12. Monday, 27 March 13. Tuesday, 28 March 14. Thursday, 30 March 15. Friday, 31 March PART II: HAT TIP โ Friday, 31 March 2017 [ Details published late April summer 2017.] ANNOUNCEMENT OF PART I PRIZE WINNER โ Saturday, 1 April 2017_____________________________________________ EDIT: 1 March 2017 PART I: MARATHON โ GAME FORMAT AND RULESSee here. _____________________________________________ EDIT: 3 March 2017 PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs1โ12: See here. 13โ24: See here. 25โ36: See here. 37โ48: See here. _____________________________________________ EDITS: 3 & 27 March, & 21 July 2017 PART II: HAT TIP[ To be updated on 31 March late April summer 2017.] _____________________________________________ EDITS: 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 27, 28, 30 & 31 March, 1 April, & 21 July 2017 LOTTERY NUMBER ALLOCATIONS[ To be updated after each allocation.] 1. ed [ C1 winner] 2. ed [ C1 winner] 3. ed [ C2 co-winner] 4. ed [ C2 co-winner] 5. tyler [ C2 co-winner] 6. twist65 [ C3 winner] 7. twist65 [ C3 winner] 8. twist65 [ C4 winner] 9. twist65 [ C4 winner] 10. twist65 [ C4 winner] 11. ed [ C5 winner] [PART I: MARATHON winner]12. ed [ C5 winner] 13. ed [ C5 winner] 14. doyle [ C6 winner] 15. doyle [ C6 winner] 16. doyle [ C7 winner] 17. doyle [ C7 winner] 18. doyle [ C7 winner] 19. doyle [ C7 winner] 20. doyle [ C8 winner] 21. doyle [ C8 winner] 22. doyle [ C8 winner] 23. doyle [ C8 winner] 24. doyle [ C8 winner] 25. ed [ C9 winner] 26. ed [ C9 winner] 27. ed [ C9 winner] 28. ed [ C9 winner] 29. ed [ C10 winner] 30. ed [ C10 winner] 31. ed [ C10 winner] 32. ed [ C10 winner] 33. ed [ C11 winner] 34. ed [ C11 winner] 35. ed [ C11 winner] 36. ed [ C11 winner] 37. ed [ C12 winner] 38. ed [ C12 winner] 39. doyle [ C13 winner] 40. doyle [ C13 winner] 41. doyle [ C13 winner] 42. doyle [ C14 winner] 43. doyle [ C14 winner] 44. doyle [ C14 winner] 45. [No winner for C15]
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nex
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THE MET LOTTERY, by nex on Jan 8, 2017 2:36:03 GMT 1, The first and only list I'll ever put myself down for here when it starts, intrigued I am
The first and only list I'll ever put myself down for here when it starts, intrigued I am
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nobokov
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THE MET LOTTERY, by nobokov on Jan 8, 2017 3:22:22 GMT 1, Very generous of you, possibly? For some reason I seem to associate a certain level of apprehension with the word "undisclosed."
I'm looking forward to seeing the increased contributions of content during this post-holiday lull.
Very generous of you, possibly? For some reason I seem to associate a certain level of apprehension with the word "undisclosed."
I'm looking forward to seeing the increased contributions of content during this post-holiday lull.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Schrรถdinger's Chat on Jan 8, 2017 9:45:33 GMT 1, Intriguing stuff, I imagine by liking or commenting or even just reading this thread we have already entered into the social experiment.
Lets hope it doesn't go all 'black mirrors'.
Intriguing stuff, I imagine by liking or commenting or even just reading this thread we have already entered into the social experiment.
Lets hope it doesn't go all 'black mirrors'.
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ed
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THE MET LOTTERY, by ed on Jan 8, 2017 9:56:09 GMT 1, Uh oh, it's the return of Killer Met
Forum members get involved in a violent Internet-based game, around the same time as a series of murders - is there a connection?
Uh oh, it's the return of Killer Met
Forum members get involved in a violent Internet-based game, around the same time as a series of murders - is there a connection?
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El Pulpo
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THE MET LOTTERY, by El Pulpo on Jan 8, 2017 10:58:16 GMT 1, That's interesting. A social experiment ?
That's interesting. A social experiment ?
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Cutkillavince
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Cutkillavince on Jan 8, 2017 11:02:35 GMT 1, That's very cool, impatient to learn more ๐
That's very cool, impatient to learn more ๐
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iamzero
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THE MET LOTTERY, by iamzero on Jan 8, 2017 11:09:42 GMT 1, Join a hidden invite only Facebook page recently and the rules on the first page are as follows.
All new members please read:
This group is for sharing your OG pre 2000 decks only. That means no spam please.
Do not post pictures of old school reissues or new skateboards that are post the year 2000. An old school shape doesn't make it OG. This also isn't a raffle group. No raffles allowed. Nothing against raffles, we just want to keep this page pure.
Do not talk shit about someone's deck. If someone posts something you aren't into or has something for sale and you don't like the price, keep your opinions to yourself.s**t talking is never good and you will probably be removed from the group if you do it. At a minimum your post will be deleted.
If you do post a pic of something other than an OG deck (ie: pics of your newly printed repro, a link to an ebay auction, a vid of Bony Honk spinning a 15790 on his ramp, a skateboarding dog/duck etc, pics of your wall showing 1 OG and 10 reissues.....), decide to post your raffle, or talk shit, your post will most likely be deleted as soon as an admin sees it. It's nothing personal and we aren't dicks (apart from Justin, he's a dick), so don't get mad about it.
There are other rad groups where you can share your post 2000 decks, raffle as much as you like and talk shit about Gator decks.
Edit: if you post up a deck you know to be a repro (especially one you have 'commissioned' from that fucktard Jesse Garza) your pic will be deleted and your ass will be booted. Period.
Edit: don't post eBay auction links. If you have a deck to sell, offer it up to the group, don't whore out your auctions, chances are if out members are looking for the board, they will see it (eBay isn't a secret......) auction links will get deleted
Join a hidden invite only Facebook page recently and the rules on the first page are as follows.
All new members please read:
This group is for sharing your OG pre 2000 decks only. That means no spam please.
Do not post pictures of old school reissues or new skateboards that are post the year 2000. An old school shape doesn't make it OG. This also isn't a raffle group. No raffles allowed. Nothing against raffles, we just want to keep this page pure.
Do not talk shit about someone's deck. If someone posts something you aren't into or has something for sale and you don't like the price, keep your opinions to yourself.s**t talking is never good and you will probably be removed from the group if you do it. At a minimum your post will be deleted.
If you do post a pic of something other than an OG deck (ie: pics of your newly printed repro, a link to an ebay auction, a vid of Bony Honk spinning a 15790 on his ramp, a skateboarding dog/duck etc, pics of your wall showing 1 OG and 10 reissues.....), decide to post your raffle, or talk shit, your post will most likely be deleted as soon as an admin sees it. It's nothing personal and we aren't dicks (apart from Justin, he's a dick), so don't get mad about it.
There are other rad groups where you can share your post 2000 decks, raffle as much as you like and talk shit about Gator decks.
Edit: if you post up a deck you know to be a repro (especially one you have 'commissioned' from that fucktard Jesse Garza) your pic will be deleted and your ass will be booted. Period.
Edit: don't post eBay auction links. If you have a deck to sell, offer it up to the group, don't whore out your auctions, chances are if out members are looking for the board, they will see it (eBay isn't a secret......) auction links will get deleted
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 12:39:38 GMT 1, Do I have to keep my clothes on?
Do I have to keep my clothes on?
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 13:15:03 GMT 1, Do I have to keep my clothes on? Jermaine Stewart says that you don't need to take them off if you want to have a good time; I suppose it depends on what you want.
Do I have to keep my clothes on? Jermaine Stewart says that you don't need to take them off if you want to have a good time; I suppose it depends on what you want.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 15:28:47 GMT 1, Innit to winnit
Innit to winnit
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 15:30:31 GMT 1, I'll be curious what the results of the experiment show about all of us.
I'll be curious what the results of the experiment show about all of us.
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jayTown
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THE MET LOTTERY, by jayTown on Jan 9, 2017 12:21:23 GMT 1, I heard posterbob has already entered this, won and sold the prize on eBay for a huge profit.
I heard posterbob has already entered this, won and sold the prize on eBay for a huge profit.
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mla
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THE MET LOTTERY, by mla on Jan 9, 2017 12:23:57 GMT 1, Yes.
Yes.
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dotdot
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THE MET LOTTERY, by dotdot on Jan 9, 2017 12:53:43 GMT 1, I'm in as well... another first.
I'm in as well... another first.
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RoboJ
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THE MET LOTTERY, by RoboJ on Jan 9, 2017 12:54:48 GMT 1, It sounds intriguing. By March I will have forgotten to enter/be part of it though!
It sounds intriguing. By March I will have forgotten to enter/be part of it though!
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Quinnster
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Quinnster on Jan 9, 2017 20:09:38 GMT 1, Could be good?
Could be good?
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pklong17
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THE MET LOTTERY, by pklong17 on Jan 9, 2017 20:28:57 GMT 1, Look forward to it
Look forward to it
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met
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 1, 2017 16:02:17 GMT 1, THE MET LOTTERY โ MARCH 2017
PART I: MARATHON โ GAME FORMAT AND RULES
[EDIT: See 27 March 2017 update here.]
1. PART I is a game divided into 14 separate competitions, to be held sequentially throughout March 2017. The first competition for example starts on Wednesday, 1 March and ends on Thursday, 2 March. All key dates can be viewed in the opening post of this thread.
The winner of each competition will be allocated specified numbers in a lottery, with the draw taking place at the end of the game, after PART II.
A prize will be awarded to the person holding the number drawn in that lottery.
2. For every competition, a video, collection of videos, or podcast will be posted by met (the "Organiser") โ along with a set time and date one to three days in the future. Players have this brief period for watching / listening to the video(s) or podcast. They are welcome to discuss the content on this thread if they so wish.
Times and dates mentioned in this game refer to those in the UK, being Greenwich Mean Time.
[Technical issues: Regrettably, the sound volume of some videos will be lower than ideal. There is a risk as well that a video link may be subject to geo-blocking, with the relevant video not being available in a particular country. Video titles will therefore also be listed. This may assist an affected member in finding the video elsewhere on the internet if they do not wish to use a proxy service or virtual private network.]
3. At the set time on the future date referred to in point 2 above, three questions relating to the competition video(s) or podcast will be posted by the Organiser.
The winner of a competition is the first player to correctly or sufficiently answer all three questions.
4. The correctness or sufficiency of answers (including their sufficient clarity) will be decided solely by the Organiser, acting reasonably, taking into account the letter and spirit of these rules, and the spirit of the game more generally.
To qualify for consideration, any three answers by a player in a competition must be:
(i) in a single unedited post on this thread (multiple attempts by a player at answering the same three questions are not permitted, including by deleting their original answers and reposting revised ones); (ii) clear; (iii) numbered (1., 2., 3.); and (iv) in the same order as the corresponding questions.
[Player dilemma and balancing act: For a chance to win a competition, players are pressured to answer the relevant three questions quickly. At the same time, they only get one attempt per competition to answer. If a player answers any question incorrectly, insufficiently, unclearly, or in the wrong format, their efforts will be wasted. They also risk divulging some correct answers to other players who (having not yet posted their own answers) can still win that competition.]
5. Once a competition winner has been declared by the Organiser and allocated the relevant lottery numbers, the next video(s) or podcast will be posted and a new competition begins.
The Organiser will not be online at all times but will confirm each competition winner within 3 hours of posting the related three questions. In the unlikely event no player has correctly or sufficiently answered all three questions within 3 hours of being posted, that competition will have no winner. The next video(s) or podcast will then be posted and a new competition begins.
This process will continue until Friday, 31 March 2017, when the 14th competition (and PART I in its entirety) will end.
6. Players may participate in as many competitions as they like. Those with the inclination, time and marathon stamina are free to compete in all the competitions.
Winning one competition does not preclude a player from winning others. The more competitions a player wins, the more lottery numbers they're allocated โ and the better the odds that one of those will be the lottery-draw number.
7. PART I is open to everyone except those disqualified pursuant to point 8 below. An honour system is in place: Please do not play if you fall within any of the exclusions.
8. A forum member is disqualified from participating in PART I in the following cases:
8.1 That member does not already have a minimum of 91 existing posts, i.e. at least 4 pages of undeleted posts showing in their profile when clicking the link, 'View this member's recent posts.' (the first 3 pages will display their last 90 posts).
The critical moment here is the time of participation. A member, excluded at the beginning of the game because they don't have enough posts, may therefore qualify to play in later competitions by sufficiently increasing their post count.
8.2 That member is a fraudster or thief.
8.3 That member has control over or access to more than one account on this forum. Those with duplicate or triplicate accounts are therefore excluded from playing, even if the other accounts are rarely used. Given the issue is one of existing control or access, accounts that have been deactivated, banned or deleted will not be taken into consideration for the purpose of this point 8.3.
The critical moment here is the time of participation. A member, excluded at the beginning of the game because they have control over or access to more than one forum account, may therefore qualify to play in later competitions by deleting their other accounts โ or, if they've misplaced their password(s), by arranging for those other accounts to be deactivated or deleted by forum administrative staff.
Limited exception: Any member with a private account who also has access โ or is in any way connected (e.g. as a co-owner, employee, business partner or business associate) โ to a forum-recognised Gallery, Media, Framing or Art Event account is also excluded from playing unless the link between the accounts is or has been clearly and expressly stated by that member in at least one undeleted post on the forum. The flawed assumption that "everyone already knows" is insufficient. [By way of example, maceventura has satisfied the criterion in this post which clearly and expressly refers to his separate gallery account, mace.] A post by the relevant member that is unclear, indirect or merely implies a connection between the private account and Gallery, Media, Framing or Art Event account does not satisfy the requirement of glasnost under this limited exception.
9. A declared winner of a competition may have their lottery numbers revoked if they are later discovered to have been in breach of points 4(i), 8.2 or 8.3 above, or if sufficient evidence suggests they were in breach. Any decision hereunder will be taken solely by the Organiser, acting reasonably, with the standard of proof applied being "on the balance of probabilities".
10. In order to address unforeseen issues that may arise during the course of the game, the Organiser reserves the discretion to take any decision or action he in good faith deems appropriate, including the creation of new rules or the amendment, replacement or suspension of existing ones.
11. Details of PART II โ along with details of the lottery draw determining the prize winner โ will be published late April 2017 on Friday, 31 March 2017.
12. Any additional information in connection with the game, or any clarifications deemed helpful, will be posted on this thread.
13. The lottery prize is undisclosed. It may be East London air, the Organiser's soul, or something less / more interesting.
The prize has already been decided upon and will not change. It is therefore impersonal (unlike a gift chosen with a particular recipient in mind), free from any implied moral duty that it be retained. For the avoidance of doubt, the lottery winner may do as they please with the prize: keep it, immediately sell it, or give it away.
14. The PART I lottery winner will be announced on Saturday, 1 April 2017 (at a time specified the previous day pursuant to point 11 above). Immediately afterwards, the Organiser will liaise with the winner via private message for their:
(i) full name; (ii) postal address; (iii) email address; and (iv) telephone number.
In case the Organiser does not receive all of these details from the winner by 18:00 GMT on Wednesday, 5 April 2017, a new winner will be selected via a second lottery draw later that day.
The game therefore requires reasonably prompt communication by the winner (by logging in to this forum and replying to the Organiser's private message), as well as openness regarding their details to allow for secure delivery of the prize.
15. The lottery winner agrees to confirm upon safe receipt of the prize.
Although not strictly necessary, it would be in the spirit of the game if the lottery winner posted on this thread a photo of the prize. This is mainly a courtesy issue โ the idea being to satisfy the curiosity of other participants who invested time and energy while playing. It would also offer a fitting closure to the game.
THE MET LOTTERY โ MARCH 2017PART I: MARATHON โ GAME FORMAT AND RULES[EDIT: See 27 March 2017 update here.]1. PART I is a game divided into 14 separate competitions, to be held sequentially throughout March 2017. The first competition for example starts on Wednesday, 1 March and ends on Thursday, 2 March. All key dates can be viewed in the opening post of this thread. The winner of each competition will be allocated specified numbers in a lottery, with the draw taking place at the end of the game , after PART II. A prize will be awarded to the person holding the number drawn in that lottery. 2. For every competition, a video, collection of videos, or podcast will be posted by met (the " Organiser") โ along with a set time and date one to three days in the future. Players have this brief period for watching / listening to the video(s) or podcast. They are welcome to discuss the content on this thread if they so wish. Times and dates mentioned in this game refer to those in the UK, being Greenwich Mean Time. [ Technical issues: Regrettably, the sound volume of some videos will be lower than ideal. There is a risk as well that a video link may be subject to geo-blocking, with the relevant video not being available in a particular country. Video titles will therefore also be listed. This may assist an affected member in finding the video elsewhere on the internet if they do not wish to use a proxy service or virtual private network.] 3. At the set time on the future date referred to in point 2 ab ove, three questions relating to the competition video(s) or podcast will be posted by the Organiser. The winner of a competition is the first player to correctly or sufficiently answer all three questions. 4. The correctness or sufficiency of answers (including their sufficient clarity) will be decided solely by the Organiser, acting reasonably, taking into account the letter and spirit of these rules, and the spirit of the game more generally. To qualify for consideration, any three answers by a player in a competition must be: (i) in a single unedited post on this thread (multiple attempts by a player at answering the same three questions are not permitted, including by deleting their original answers and reposting revised ones); (ii) clear; (iii) numbered (1., 2., 3.); and (iv) in the same order as the corresponding questions. [ Player dilemma and balancing act: For a chance to win a competition, players are pressured to answer the relevant three questions quickly. At the same time, they only get one attempt per competition to answer. If a player answers any question incorrectly, insufficiently, unclearly, or in the wrong format, their efforts will be wasted. They also risk divulging some correct answers to other players who (having not yet posted their own answers) can still win that competition.] 5. Once a competition winner has been declared by the Organiser and allocated the relevant lottery numbers, the next video(s) or podcast will be posted and a new competition begins. The Organiser will not be online at all times but will confirm each competition winner within 3 hours of posting the related three questions. In the unlikely event no player has correctly or sufficiently answered all three questions within 3 hours of being posted, that competition will have no winner. The next video(s) or podcast will then be posted and a new competition begins. This process will continue until Friday, 31 March 2017, when the 14th competition (and PART I in its entirety) will end. 6. Players may participate in as many competitions as they like. Those with the inclination, time and marathon stamina are free to compete in all the competitions. Winning one competition does not preclude a player from winning others. The more competitions a player wins, the more lottery numbers they're allocated โ and the better the odds that one of those will be the lottery-draw number. 7. PART I is open to everyone except those disqualified pursuant to point 8 below. An honour system is in place: Please do not play if you fall within any of the exclusions. 8. A forum member is disqualified from participating in PART I in the following cases: 8.1 That member does not already have a minimum of 91 existing posts, i.e. at least 4 pages of undeleted posts showing in their profile when clicking the link, 'View this member's recent posts.' (the first 3 pages will display their last 90 posts). The critical moment here is the time of participation. A member, excluded at the beginning of the game because they don't have enough posts, may therefore qualify to play in later competitions by sufficiently increasing their post count. 8.2 That member is a fraudster or thief. 8.3 That member has control over or access to more than one account on this forum. Those with duplicate or triplicate accounts are therefore excluded from playing, even if the other accounts are rarely used. Given the issue is one of existing control or access, accounts that have been deactivated, banned or deleted will not be taken into consideration for the purpose of this point 8.3. The critical moment here is the time of participation. A member, excluded at the beginning of the game because they have control over or access to more than one forum account, may therefore qualify to play in later competitions by deleting their other accounts โ or, if they've misplaced their password(s), by arranging for those other accounts to be deactivated or deleted by forum administrative staff. Limited exception: Any member with a private account who also has access โ or is in any way connected (e.g. as a co-owner, employee, business partner or business associate) โ to a forum-recognised Gallery, Media, Framing or Art Event account is also excluded from playing unless the link between the accounts is or has been clearly and expressly stated by that member in at least one undeleted post on the forum. The flawed assumption that "everyone already knows" is insufficient. [By way of example, maceventura has satisfied the criterion in this post which clearly and expressly refers to his separate gallery account, mace.] A post by the relevant member that is unclear, indirect or merely implies a connection between the private account and Gallery, Media, Framing or Art Event account does not satisfy the requirement of glasnost under this limited exception. 9. A declared winner of a competition may have their lottery numbers revoked if they are later discovered to have been in breach of points 4(i), 8.2 or 8.3 ab ove, or if sufficient evidence suggests they were in breach. Any decision hereunder will be taken solely by the Organiser, acting reasonably, with the standard of proof applied being "on the balance of probabilities". 10. In order to address unforeseen issues that may arise during the course of the game, the Organiser reserves the discretion to take any decision or action he in good faith deems appropriate, including the creation of new rules or the amendment, replacement or suspension of existing ones. 11. Details of PART II โ along with details of the lottery draw determining the prize winner โ will be published late April 2017 on Friday, 31 March 2017. 12. Any additional information in connection with the game, or any clarifications deemed helpful, will be posted on this thread. 13. The lottery prize is undisclosed. It may be East London air, the Organiser's soul, or something less / more interesting. The prize has already been decided upon and will not change. It is therefore impersonal (unlike a gift chosen with a particular recipient in mind), free from any implied moral duty that it be retained. For the avoidance of doubt, the lottery winner may do as they please with the prize: keep it, immediately sell it, or give it away. 14. The PART I lottery winner will be announced on Saturday, 1 April 2017 (at a time specified the previous day pursuant to point 11 ab ove). Immediately afterwards, the Organiser will liaise with the winner via private message for their: (i) full name; (ii) postal address; (iii) email address; and (iv) telephone number. In case the Organiser does not receive all of these details from the winner by 18:00 GMT on Wednesday, 5 April 2017, a new winner will be selected via a second lottery draw later that day. The game therefore requires reasonably prompt communication by the winner (by logging in to this forum and replying to the Organiser's private message), as well as openness regarding their details to allow for secure delivery of the prize. 15. The lottery winner agrees to confirm upon safe receipt of the prize. Although not strictly necessary, it would be in the spirit of the game if the lottery winner posted on this thread a photo of the prize. This is mainly a courtesy issue โ the idea being to satisfy the curiosity of other participants who invested time and energy while playing. It would also offer a fitting closure to the game.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 1, 2017 16:05:22 GMT 1, COMPETITION 1 โ Wednesday, 1 March to Thursday, 2 March 2017
Three questions related to the videos below will be posted on Thursday, 2 March at 21:00 GMT (or within a few minutes thereof).
The first person to correctly or sufficiently answer all three questions (in accordance with the Game Format and Rules) will be allocated the following two lottery numbers: 1 and 2
CRITICAL THINKING - Fundamentals: Introduction to Critical Thinking [9:49] โ uploaded by Wireless Philosophy
Critical Thinking [5:12] โ uploaded by QualiaSoup
The Illusion of Truth [8:24] โ uploaded by Veritasium
COMPETITION 1 โ Wednesday, 1 March to Thursday, 2 March 2017
Three questions related to the videos below will be posted on Thursday, 2 March at 21:00 GMT (or within a few minutes thereof).
The first person to correctly or sufficiently answer all three questions (in accordance with the Game Format and Rules) will be allocated the following two lottery numbers: 1 and 2
CRITICAL THINKING - Fundamentals: Introduction to Critical Thinking [9:49] โ uploaded by Wireless Philosophy
Critical Thinking [5:12] โ uploaded by QualiaSoup
The Illusion of Truth [8:24] โ uploaded by Veritasium
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THE MET LOTTERY, by twist65 on Mar 1, 2017 16:30:41 GMT 1, Ha, very good Met. I haven't posted on here for a while, am intrigued by this though so will be interesting to take part.
Ha, very good Met. I haven't posted on here for a while, am intrigued by this though so will be interesting to take part.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by ilmambo on Mar 1, 2017 16:38:47 GMT 1, sounds fun. I'm in!
sounds fun. I'm in!
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 1, 2017 19:21:56 GMT 1, Since posting the 'Game Format and Rules' and Competition 1 videos over three hours ago, my Inbox has been hit with some questions.
Despite nursing a migraine, I've been responding to most people surprisingly quickly.
In case it may assist other forum members, I will cut-and-paste a few of the Q&As.
The first batch is below.
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PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (1)
1. I've got 100 posts referred to under my avatar. However, only 80 show up when you click 'View this member's recent posts.' because I deleted 20 of them. Can I participate in the game?
For this purpose, let's leave aside my wariness and weariness of forum members who delete their posts and destroy the coherence of threads.
In answer to your question โ No, sorry. A minimum of 91 existing (undeleted) posts is required, as set out in point 8.1 of the Game Format and Rules. Since you currently only have 80, you'll need an additional 11 posts before taking part in the game.
2. Regarding the minimum requirement in point 8.1 of "91 existing posts", do these need to be of a certain calibre? Although I have thousands of posts to my name, pretty much all of them consist of:
- price checks - fetishising over whether a print is close to selling out (more spelling mistakes in these posts due to one-hand typing) - giddily obsessing about the latest auction prices for Banksy or Kaws or Invader or Harland Miller or Stik (these posts also typed with one hand) - trying to shift my previous purchase mistakes onto other members - constantly bumping my sales threads - asking strangers in other cities to buy stuff for me - fatuous and/or pointless commentary
What I haven't done is share any real thoughts, perspectives or insights on an artist. Or their work's impact or meaning to me. Or their work's value in non-financial terms. Nor have I ever discussed history or ideas or inspiration generally. You refer to the link, 'View this member's recent posts.' on the profile page of forum members. But if anyone were to sit down and just read through the first page showing my last 30 posts, they would feel mind-numbing, spirit-crushing emptiness. Like being beaten over the head with a bag of sand. Repeatedly.
The "91 existing posts" criterion is not subject to any quality control. You are welcome to participate in the game.
3. I wanted to be certain about point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules and who's excluded from the game. At Dismaland in 2015, I asked someone to purchase t-shirts and other items for me. They made a special effort and paid for the items out of their own pocket. But when it came time for me to reimburse the expenditure made on my behalf, I noticed these types of items weren't selling on eBay for as much as I had hoped. So I flaked on my promise to pay and I left the person high and dry. Can I still take part in the game?
Thank you for your question. While I'd be embarrassed to be associated with an individual like you, your actions are not quite at the level of theft or fraud. So, yes, you are welcome to participate in the game.
4. Could you clarify the exclusions in point 8.2?
As a seller, I might agree a price with a buyer. But if I then see the same item for a higher amount at a gallery or at auction (or if my gut tells me the price I agreed to was too low), then of course I start renegotiating to achieve a better price. Or I pull out of the deal completely and look for someone else who will pay more. Likewise, if I'm a buyer, I might agree to purchase artwork for a specific sum. But if I then see the same item selling elsewhere for a lower price (or if I simply change my mind about buying), then of course I pull out of the deal.
Now, on these occasions I've often upset the other party and had my integrity unfairly called into question. I wish to make sure that by "thief" and "fraudster" in point 8.2, you're not using these words loosely to cover the totally justified and normal acts I've mentioned. I am not a thief or fraudster. I am a good person. I'm trustworthy, I have integrity, and my word is my honour.
This behavioural pattern falls short of thieving and defrauding. You are welcome to participate in the game.
[For what it's worth, my view is that your sense of self is self-servingly delusional. But people do tend to be resistant to scrutiny of their deepest assumptions, especially favourable ones they have about themselves. The acts you describe, both as a seller and buyer, demonstrate an absence of trustworthiness and a lack of integrity. How you can claim "my word is my honour", while at the same time breaking your word and reneging on agreements you reached with other people, is puzzling.
I am not a psychologist, but these types of mental gymnastics are sadly quite common. It may be a self-protection mechanism triggered by cognitive dissonance. When a person's actions contradict the flattering beliefs they have about their own character, there's a temptation for the mind to blank out those actions โ or rationalise them in a manner which allows the beliefs to continue being held. By ignoring uncomfortable evidence staring them in the face, by pushing aside reality in favour of a conveniently-distorted perception of reality, they're able to look in the mirror and still feel good about themselves. Mantra-like repetition of statements (such as "I am a good person") also makes it easier to trick their mind into actually believing them โ regardless of what the facts happen to be.
Although a separate issue, it's worth noting as well that keeping a promise per se proves nothing about a person's character. Honouring a commitment may be in that person's self interest. Past deals having been successfully completed therefore risk creating false confidence and trust. In a commercial situation, the only proper test of someone's integrity is to watch what they do when keeping their promise becomes financially inconvenient โ e.g. following a shift in the market, the discovery of previously-undisclosed condition issues, or loss / damage occurring to artwork in transit. Often, you'll then find the whole "man of my word" spiel being reinterpreted or thrown out the window.
In this respect, the 'Not So Good Dealings With:' thread ( urbanartassociation.com/thread/92154/good-dealings?page=1 ), which consolidates poor experiences by forum members, is a helpful eye-opener. It serves to counterbalance the sense of security people might feel when dealing with strangers here. That sense of security may be unfounded. In some cases, it could just be based on the forum avatars and usernames of those strangers having become so reassuringly familiar over the years.]
5. Hello there, good sir. I am a liar and a parasite. I take advantage of the ignorance of less experienced collectors. But I usually get away with it because, like any capable con artist, I'm engaging and a really good laugh. It's more difficult to build trust and manipulate someone if they haven't warmed to you first. So I'm rather good at switching on the charm. People like me. I'm an amiable rogue. Actually, the very people I've duped will even defend me on this forum. They'll describe me as "a genuine collector", "one of the good guys", "a true fan". Hahaha! Can you believe it?! There must be some psychological block going on. Once a relationship is established and the halo effect takes hold, it's easier for me to keep fooling people than for them to realise โ and therefore admit to themselves โ that they're being fooled. LMAO! ... Funny, I usually only write "LMAO" when somebody on the internet has made me really, really angry. But this time I'm actually laughing. Can I still participate in the game?
With situations like the ones you've broadly described, it often comes down to degree. So you'll need to be more specific. Based purely on the limited information you've provided, I don't yet see clearcut evidence of thievery or fraud that would trigger your exclusion under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules.
6. I sell plenty of legitimate artwork and art-related products. Occasionally, however, I've passed on items I knew to be fake or suspected might be fake. This wasn't disclosed to the relevant buyers because it probably would have sabotaged the sales. It's not ideal, but what I want to stress is that, in total, only 3 or 4% of everything I've sold was dodgy or possibly dodgy. Most sales were for small amounts of money as well, so no serious harm was ever done. Other than that, I'm 100% a straight arrow. My legitimate sales have earned me the support of quite a few forum members.
I appreciate this case is not entirely black-and-white. It has a hint of grey area, although people clearly consider me honest. The successful sales I have under my belt have lent me credibility and, more often than not, encouraged others to give me the benefit of the doubt. May I therefore take part in the game?
No, sorry. Notwithstanding any successfully completed transactions for genuine items, the occasional sales where you've passed off fakes as genuine make you a fraudster under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules. The same applies in relation to your sales of suspected fakes โ including (for me at least) sales of items for which you (i) were negligent about verifying authenticity or (ii) recklessly disregarded whether or not they were authentic.
7. My parents failed to teach me common courtesy. Or maybe they did teach me, but it's not something I really think about. I enter into exchanges with other members via private message to buy or sell artwork. Sometimes, when I ask a question and the other member promptly responds, I don't bother thanking them or even acknowledging their reply. Other times, after everything is agreed with a sale, including price, I kind of go AWOL. I go completely silent and don't respond to any further messages. Does this exclude me from playing in the game?
Whether it's a case of poor upbringing, shirking personal responsibility, blame-shifting, bad manners, wasting the time of others, or simply being a clown and disregarding the Golden Rule, none of these trigger an exclusion under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules. You are welcome to participate in the game.
8. When describing the condition of artwork, inexperienced collectors often misuse the term "mint" through ignorance. They are simply clueless as to its correct meaning.
Not me. I misuse the term "mint" deliberately. Therefore, please don't patronise by trying to educate me about the fact it is synonymous with "as-new and flawless" and "off-the-press, pristine condition". I already know it is an extreme term, not a relative one that's open to a range of possible interpretations.
For that reason, I'm well aware the description is only suitable in exceptional cases. You don't have to inform me that it shouldn't be used to describe a print which doesn't lie flat due to having been kept in a tube for three years. No need to tell me that, by definition, a framed print can almost never be described as "mint" (since, among other reasons, adhesive or paste will have been applied to the paper in almost every case). And of course I know that a print "restored to mint condition" is not only contradictory, it's dishonest to the point of being obscene.
So yes, I do get it. But you are too focused on semantics. That is your weakness. You're simply unaware of the broader issues sellers like me need to consider. It's not as easy as you think to find buyers for prints when everyone's fixated on buzzwords like "mint condition". And let's face it, many people don't really understand the expression. They'll have some notion that it's a woolly descriptive like "splendid" or "cracking" condition.
You see, this is the kind of problem I have to deal with. Consequently, my approach must be a flexible one. I use the word "mint" to describe nearly any work on paper. If the condition is simply very good or good, I call it "mint" to generate more interest. It's just a way of getting potential buyers to message me enquires about a piece. Of course they're always free to inspect it in person before buying. Or, if the buyer is non-local and gets all prissy about the print's actual condition upon receipt, they can simply return it. I'm fair. If a buyer is not satisfied, I guarantee a full refund of the purchase price minus shipping. Everyone's happy in the end. No harm, no foul.
So it's one thing to pontificate, but in the real world people need to be realistic. It just comes down to compromise, really. In a civilised society, every citizen must compromise a little for the greater good. We all need to be responsible and meet each other halfway. It would be an absolute travesty if any of this disqualified me from taking part in the game. Could you therefore confirm I am entitled to play?
The closest potential exclusion would be pursuant to point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules. However, false representations and lying fall short of both theft and fraud. Accordingly, you are welcome to participate in the game.
9. One of my mates on the forum sold a Banksy so-called backdoor print featuring the Flying Copper image. But instead of describing it solely as "a backdoor print" or "stolen property", he also referred to it as a "Printers Proof". This was deliberate, the objective being to give the print an air of legitimacy, thereby making the print easier to offload onto a newbie who wouldn't know any better.
I know this inclusion in my mate's description was cynical and misleading. Maybe I should have said something, but mates need to stick together, right? I didn't want to rock the boat. You've got to choose your battles, right? Calling out my mate on the forum would have had an adverse effect on our relationship. He's got a nice collection of non-stolen art too, so being openly critical might also have torpedoed any opportunities of future deals with him. Is this moral cowardice on my part? I hope not, because "coward" doesn't sound very nice. It conflicts with how I see myself, as an upstanding and decent human being. Can I still participate in the game?
Focusing simply on your last question โ Yes, you are welcome to participate. Being complicit in an act of dishonesty does not trigger an exclusion under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules.
10. Despite having had various forum accounts over the years, I currently just have one active account. The others are still visible, but can no longer be accessed by me because they were banned. May I play in the game?
Yes, you are welcome to participate. This scenario is specifically covered in point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules.
11. Hi, I've got more than one forum account. But I need all of them to wax lyrical about artists I collect. The idea is to heighten demand in their work, thereby increasing the market value of my own collection. It's more credible if I conceal my vested interest, and if it looks like different forum members are actually posting. My various accounts also allow me to enter competitions and giveaways multiple times, which increases my chances of winning. Can I participate in the game? I've got a young child.
No, sorry. Please see point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules.
12. Hi, it's me again. I also need more than one forum account to lowball other members when they're selling prints. It's a good psychological tactic: When those sellers receive a few low offers at similar price levels from what appears to be different people, it reduces their expectations and creates a new psychological anchor. Afterwards, when I use my regular account and offer a slightly higher price, that offer is more likely to get accepted. Did I tell you that I have a kid? I've actually got a second one on the way. Could you reconsider point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules so I can participate in the game?
No, sorry.
Since posting the 'Game Format and Rules' and Competition 1 videos over three hours ago, my Inbox has been hit with some questions. Despite nursing a migraine, I've been responding to most people surprisingly quickly. In case it may assist other forum members, I will cut-and-paste a few of the Q&As. The first batch is below. __________________________________ PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (1)1. I've got 100 posts referred to under my avatar. However, only 80 show up when you click 'View this member's recent posts.' because I deleted 20 of them. Can I participate in the game? For this purpose, let's leave aside my wariness and weariness of forum members who delete their posts and destroy the coherence of threads.
In answer to your question โ No, sorry. A minimum of 91 existing (undeleted) posts is required, as set out in point 8.1 of the Game Format and Rules. Since you currently only have 80, you'll need an additional 11 posts before taking part in the game.2. Regarding the minimum requirement in point 8.1 of "91 existing posts", do these need to be of a certain calibre? Although I have thousands of posts to my name, pretty much all of them consist of: - price checks - fetishising over whether a print is close to selling out (more spelling mistakes in these posts due to one-hand typing) - giddily obsessing about the latest auction prices for Ba nksy or Ka ws or In vader or Ha rland Mi ller or St ik (these posts also typed with one hand) - trying to shift my previous purchase mistakes onto other members - constantly bumping my sales threads - asking strangers in other cities to buy stuff for me - fatuous and/or pointless commentary What I haven't done is share any real thoughts, perspectives or insights on an artist. Or their work's impact or meaning to me. Or their work's value in non-financial terms. Nor have I ever discussed history or ideas or inspiration generally. You refer to the link, 'View this member's recent posts.' on the profile page of forum members. But if anyone were to sit down and just read through the first page showing my last 30 posts, they would feel mind-numbing, spirit-crushing emptiness. Like being beaten over the head with a bag of sand. Repeatedly. The "91 existing posts" criterion is not subject to any quality control. You are welcome to participate in the game.3. I wanted to be certain about point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules and who's excluded from the game. At Dismaland in 2015, I asked someone to purchase t-shirts and other items for me. They made a special effort and paid for the items out of their own pocket. But when it came time for me to reimburse the expenditure made on my behalf, I noticed these types of items weren't selling on eB ay for as much as I had hoped. So I flaked on my promise to pay and I left the person high and dry. Can I still take part in the game? Thank you for your question. While I'd be embarrassed to be associated with an individual like you, your actions are not quite at the level of theft or fraud. So, yes, you are welcome to participate in the game.4. Could you clarify the exclusions in point 8.2? As a seller, I might agree a price with a buyer. But if I then see the same item for a higher amount at a gallery or at auction (or if my gut tells me the price I agreed to was too low), then of course I start renegotiating to achieve a better price. Or I pull out of the deal completely and look for someone else who will pay more. Likewise, if I'm a buyer, I might agree to purchase artwork for a specific sum. But if I then see the same item selling elsewhere for a lower price (or if I simply change my mind about buying), then of course I pull out of the deal. Now, on these occasions I've often upset the other party and had my integrity unfairly called into question. I wish to make sure that by "thief" and "fraudster" in point 8.2, you're not using these words loosely to cover the totally justified and normal acts I've mentioned. I am not a thief or fraudster. I am a good person. I'm trustworthy, I have integrity, and my word is my honour. This behavioural pattern falls short of thieving and defrauding. You are welcome to participate in the game.[For what it's worth, my view is that your sense of self is self-servingly delusional. But people do tend to be resistant to scrutiny of their deepest assumptions, especially favourable ones they have about themselves. The acts you describe, both as a seller and buyer, demonstrate an absence of trustworthiness and a lack of integrity. How you can claim "my word is my honour", while at the same time breaking your word and reneging on agreements you reached with other people, is puzzling.
I am not a psychologist, but these types of mental gymnastics are sadly quite common. It may be a self-protection mechanism triggered by cognitive dissonance. When a person's actions contradict the flattering beliefs they have about their own character, there's a temptation for the mind to blank out those actions โ or rationalise them in a manner which allows the beliefs to continue being held. By ignoring uncomfortable evidence staring them in the face, by pushing aside reality in favour of a conveniently-distorted perception of reality, they're able to look in the mirror and still feel good about themselves. Mantra-like repetition of statements (such as "I am a good person") also makes it easier to trick their mind into actually believing them โ regardless of what the facts happen to be.
Although a separate issue, it's worth noting as well that keeping a promise per se proves nothing about a person's character. Honouring a commitment may be in that person's self interest. Past deals having been successfully completed therefore risk creating false confidence and trust. In a commercial situation, the only proper test of someone's integrity is to watch what they do when keeping their promise becomes financially inconvenient โ e.g. following a shift in the market, the discovery of previously-undisclosed condition issues, or loss / damage occurring to artwork in transit. Often, you'll then find the whole "man of my word" spiel being reinterpreted or thrown out the window.
In this respect, the 'Not So Good Dealings With:' thread ( urbanartassociation.com/thread/92154/good-dealings?page=1 ), which consolidates poor experiences by forum members, is a helpful eye-opener. It serves to counterbalance the sense of security people might feel when dealing with strangers here. That sense of security may be unfounded. In some cases, it could just be based on the forum avatars and usernames of those strangers having become so reassuringly familiar over the years.]5. Hello there, good sir. I am a liar and a parasite. I take advantage of the ignorance of less experienced collectors. But I usually get away with it because, like any capable con artist, I'm engaging and a really good laugh. It's more difficult to build trust and manipulate someone if they haven't warmed to you first. So I'm rather good at switching on the charm. People like me. I'm an amiable rogue. Actually, the very people I've duped will even defend me on this forum. They'll describe me as "a genuine collector", "one of the good guys", "a true fan". Hahaha! Can you believe it?! There must be some psychological block going on. Once a relationship is established and the halo effect takes hold, it's easier for me to keep fooling people than for them to realise โ and therefore admit to themselves โ that they're being fooled. LMAO! ... Funny, I usually only write "LMAO" when somebody on the internet has made me really, really angry. But this time I'm actually laughing. Can I still participate in the game? With situations like the ones you've broadly described, it often comes down to degree. So you'll need to be more specific. Based purely on the limited information you've provided, I don't yet see clearcut evidence of thievery or fraud that would trigger your exclusion under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules.6. I sell plenty of legitimate artwork and art-related products. Occasionally, however, I've passed on items I knew to be fake or suspected might be fake. This wasn't disclosed to the relevant buyers because it probably would have sabotaged the sales. It's not ideal, but what I want to stress is that, in total, only 3 or 4% of everything I've sold was dodgy or possibly dodgy. Most sales were for small amounts of money as well, so no serious harm was ever done. Other than that, I'm 100% a straight arrow. My legitimate sales have earned me the support of quite a few forum members. I appreciate this case is not entirely black-and-white. It has a hint of grey area, although people clearly consider me honest. The successful sales I have under my belt have lent me credibility and, more often than not, encouraged others to give me the benefit of the doubt. May I therefore take part in the game? No, sorry. Notwithstanding any successfully completed transactions for genuine items, the occasional sales where you've passed off fakes as genuine make you a fraudster under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules. The same applies in relation to your sales of suspected fakes โ including (for me at least) sales of items for which you (i) were negligent about verifying authenticity or (ii) recklessly disregarded whether or not they were authentic.7. My parents failed to teach me common courtesy. Or maybe they did teach me, but it's not something I really think about. I enter into exchanges with other members via private message to buy or sell artwork. Sometimes, when I ask a question and the other member promptly responds, I don't bother thanking them or even acknowledging their reply. Other times, after everything is agreed with a sale, including price, I kind of go AWOL. I go completely silent and don't respond to any further messages. Does this exclude me from playing in the game? Whether it's a case of poor upbringing, shirking personal responsibility, blame-shifting, bad manners, wasting the time of others, or simply being a clown and disregarding the Golden Rule, none of these trigger an exclusion under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules. You are welcome to participate in the game.8. When describing the condition of artwork, inexperienced collectors often misuse the term "mint" through ignorance. They are simply clueless as to its correct meaning. Not me. I misuse the term "mint" deliberately. Therefore, please don't patronise by trying to educate me about the fact it is synonymous with "as-new and flawless" and "off-the-press, pristine condition". I already know it is an extreme term, not a relative one that's open to a range of possible interpretations. For that reason, I'm well aware the description is only suitable in exceptional cases. You don't have to inform me that it shouldn't be used to describe a print which doesn't lie flat due to having been kept in a tube for three years. No need to tell me that, by definition, a framed print can almost never be described as "mint" (since, among other reasons, adhesive or paste will have been applied to the paper in almost every case). And of course I know that a print "restored to mint condition" is not only contradictory, it's dishonest to the point of being obscene. So yes, I do get it. But you are too focused on semantics. That is your weakness. You're simply unaware of the broader issues sellers like me need to consider. It's not as easy as you think to find buyers for prints when everyone's fixated on buzzwords like "mint condition". And let's face it, many people don't really understand the expression. They'll have some notion that it's a woolly descriptive like "splendid" or "cracking" condition. You see, this is the kind of problem I have to deal with. Consequently, my approach must be a flexible one. I use the word "mint" to describe nearly any work on paper. If the condition is simply very good or good, I call it "mint" to generate more interest. It's just a way of getting potential buyers to message me enquires about a piece. Of course they're always free to inspect it in person before buying. Or, if the buyer is non-local and gets all prissy about the print's actual condition upon receipt, they can simply return it. I'm fair. If a buyer is not satisfied, I guarantee a full refund of the purchase price minus shipping. Everyone's happy in the end. No harm, no foul. So it's one thing to pontificate, but in the real world people need to be realistic. It just comes down to compromise, really. In a civilised society, every citizen must compromise a little for the greater good. We all need to be responsible and meet each other halfway. It would be an absolute travesty if any of this disqualified me from taking part in the game. Could you therefore confirm I am entitled to play? The closest potential exclusion would be pursuant to point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules. However, false representations and lying fall short of both theft and fraud. Accordingly, you are welcome to participate in the game.9. One of my mates on the forum sold a Ba nksy so-called backdoor print featuring the Flying Copper image. But instead of describing it solely as "a backdoor print" or "stolen property", he also referred to it as a "Printers Proof". This was deliberate, the objective being to give the print an air of legitimacy, thereby making the print easier to offload onto a newbie who wouldn't know any better. I know this inclusion in my mate's description was cynical and misleading. Maybe I should have said something, but mates need to stick together, right? I didn't want to rock the boat. You've got to choose your battles, right? Calling out my mate on the forum would have had an adverse effect on our relationship. He's got a nice collection of non-stolen art too, so being openly critical might also have torpedoed any opportunities of future deals with him. Is this moral cowardice on my part? I hope not, because "coward" doesn't sound very nice. It conflicts with how I see myself, as an upstanding and decent human being. Can I still participate in the game? Focusing simply on your last question โ Yes, you are welcome to participate. Being complicit in an act of dishonesty does not trigger an exclusion under point 8.2 of the Game Format and Rules.10. Despite having had various forum accounts over the years, I currently just have one active account. The others are still visible, but can no longer be accessed by me because they were banned. May I play in the game? Yes, you are welcome to participate. This scenario is specifically covered in point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules.11. Hi, I've got more than one forum account. But I need all of them to wax lyrical about artists I collect. The idea is to heighten demand in their work, thereby increasing the market value of my own collection. It's more credible if I conceal my vested interest, and if it looks like different forum members are actually posting. My various accounts also allow me to enter competitions and giveaways multiple times, which increases my chances of winning. Can I participate in the game? I've got a young child. No, sorry. Please see point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules.12. Hi, it's me again. I also need more than one forum account to lowball other members when they're selling prints. It's a good psychological tactic: When those sellers receive a few low offers at similar price levels from what appears to be different people, it reduces their expectations and creates a new psychological anchor. Afterwards, when I use my regular account and offer a slightly higher price, that offer is more likely to get accepted. Did I tell you that I have a kid? I've actually got a second one on the way. Could you reconsider point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules so I can participate in the game? No, sorry.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 1, 2017 19:22:46 GMT 1, PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (2)
13. Hi, it's me yet again. This is my third time reaching out. I forgot to add that I need more than one forum account for a legitimate reason: I sometimes leave brutally honest, controversial, inflammatory, or imbecilic but humorous comments which irritate some forum members. This is the essence of freedom of expression. And it should continue. I genuinely believe that posting funny but perhaps hurtful truths is in the interest of the forum. But I don't want this to compromise my personal and professional relationships, or to restrict my opportunities for buying and selling art. Having a second or third forum account therefore keeps the doors open for dealing with the people I piss off under another username. Given that free speech is at stake, could you waive point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules so I can participate in the game?
No, sorry. I am conscious that, when you can be held accountable for your words, being candid or contentious is not without its disadvantages. There are obvious sacrifices โ including the closing of doors which the cloak of anonymity would otherwise leave conveniently open. My position may be flawed but it's quite simple: People should avoid succumbing to cowardice. The principle can be summarised as, "Man up or shut up."
14. Hi, it's still me. Fourth attempt. If anything, you have to give me credit for my perseverance. I really need more than one forum account for confidentiality reasons as well. Privacy, as I'm sure you'll appreciate, is a crucial issue these days, one of the key issues of our time. When I'm buying art from other members, I want to be able to do so on the down-low using different accounts. This is even more important when I'm selling art, or immediately reselling stuff I've just bought.
I'm a frequent poster on this forum, and I'm a respected member who helps and contributes to the urban art community. But I fear that greater transparency on the forum would have serious drawbacks. My activities could be used against me if they were visible under a single forum account. For example, if I berated another member for flipping, the strength of my arguments would be undermined by my own history of reselling. This is what I'd like to avoid. Separately, I have a good, longstanding reputation under my regular forum username. I don't wish for my true-fan status to be tainted. And that status would indeed be tainted by the reselling I do using my second and third forum accounts. Under these exceptional circumstances, could you please waive point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules so I can participate in the game? I am a trusted member.
No, sorry. I would encourage you to resist any approach that amounts to, "Do as I say, not as I do."
15. Hi, yes, it's still me. Fifth and last time. I just wanted to say, ever so sincerely, that you're a condescending fรบcker. You, with your know-it-all attitude, can go fรบck yourself. Seriously. And while I'm here, your moral compass is totally skewed. You allow relative newbies, mediocre little shรญts, and bloody Schweinehunde to participate in the game, but not a true fan and trusted member like me who actually contributes and only needs a few forum accounts to resell in peace.
Fair comment, especially on the Schweinehunde front. The truth of the matter is that I have more time for Schweinehunde than I do for cowards and hypocrites. They aren't mutually exclusive of course; vile characters are more likely to have multiple forum accounts. But, if forced under duress to choose between an upfront Schweinehund and an underhand so-called trusted forum member, I'd probably go with the former. At least I would know where they stood. It may be a fallacious argument, but the upfront Schweinehund seems more noble to me. There's greater honesty in their dishonesty.
Noted as well regarding the attitude. I appreciate the feedback. Whenever attention is focused more on the perceived tone of delivery than on the actual substance of communications, the risk is that the effectiveness of those communications is diminished. That's when it becomes an issue of concern for me.
16. You're not Admin. How would you know whether or not somebody has more than one forum account?
Some members have previously been outed, in a convincing manner. Other members have unintentionally outed themselves. During the game itself, a forum moderator may discover that the IP address of a competition winner is linked to more than one account. This wouldn't be definitive proof of a duplicate account, but it would not look great either.
If evidence presents itself that a competition winner has more than one account, I'll weigh it up and make a decision pursuant to point 9 of the Game Format and Rules.
That said, the game is largely reliant upon the integrity of players. I'm optimistic the vast majority will behave honestly. Yes, a cheater could slip through the net, but I do hope the spirit of the game will dissuade them from trying.
17. Dear Sirs,
If I'm selling some art or showing off art on my walls at home, any hint of disapproval about the work is taken extra personally by me.
I appreciate that, by its very nature, each and any post on a forum is an express or implied invitation for comments by other members. However, when I'm trying to get a deal done or proudly sharing my latest acquisition, choice of framing or hanging style, finicky comments are unwelcome. Such comments are actually an attack on my identity, on my being. So they're obviously inappropriate and have no place in a discussion about art on an art forum.
When I post photos, I want an easy sale, not open challenges. Or I want validation. I want compliments and reassuring pats on the head. What I don't need is some bloody "art critic" piping up with "opinions" or "advice", WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR!!! I mean, like, HELLO???!! Who do they think they are? The stuck-up pricks, trying to find little faults in everything. I'm all for constructive criticism and everything but criticism just isn't constructive. Like, get a life! Start your own thread, stop derailing mine! I'm the one who started my thread, it's MINE!!! Do I have to spell it out for you?! This isn't Nazi Germany!
People need to limit the opinions they express to positive ones. When I post about my art sales or my art collection, I'm baring my soul to complete strangers. And if my soul is being attacked, then naturally I'm gonna kinda freak out. It's difficult not to get defensive and passive-aggressive and a wee bit hysterical when I'm only trying to sell or share.
Why are some people always so negative? Why do they insist on victimising me? Why can't those troublemakers STFU? Why can't we all just be nice to each other? No bully hiding behind a keyboard is going to shut me up. I will not be intimidated by bigots or college graduates or fascists!
Can I play in the game?
Yours sincerely, [Name removed]
I read this three times. Yet I'm still not sure what it has to do with the game. Focusing simply on your last question โ Yes, you are welcome to participate in the game. Good luck.
[In case it is also of interest, I have a random but hopefully helpful tip for you: If yours had been a UK business letter, with a "Dear Sirs" greeting (i.e. non-specific recipient), the correct complimentary close would be "Yours faithfully" (rather than "Yours sincerely", which is used when a letter is addressed to a specific individual).]
18. Whenever someone finds fault in the work of an artist I collect, I argue that the artist is a really great guy. Or that the detractor is being haughty and sneering. Granted, this is irrelevant to whether the art is any good. But straw man and ad hominem tactics help to personalise matters. They elicit emotional responses in people. As idiotic as it sounds, this often succeeds at deflecting the issue, discouraging critical thought and shutting down debate. It's rather convenient!
In any event, if an artist is nice, they don't really deserve to have unkind things said about their work. Even less so if they're a member of the forum. It's bad etiquette. And, let's not forget either, this is my pension we're talking about. I've got to protect my investment. Am I eligible to participate in the competitions?
As with the previous question, what you've mentioned seems unrelated to the game. But, yes, you are welcome to participate.
19. I am dim and repugnant. In a private message to a Norwegian forum member a few years ago, I said I hoped his mother and kids get AIDS and die a painful death of cancer. Although this was later made public in a Dolk for-sale thread, it didn't stop me from becoming a Forum Guardian months later . But that position has since been revoked unfortunately . Will you allow me to take part in the game?
Though it half feels like you're conflating this Q&A platform with a secular confessional, yes, you are welcome to participate.
20. I've learned a lot about art through this forum and I'm starting to collect cool stuff. So far I've got some prints by Alec Monopoly, Mr Brainwash, Sandra Chevrier, The Connor Brothers and Kunstrasen. I have a Dumb Voters print by RYCA, an original painting by Bambi, and the chimpanzee ballerina print by Martin Whatson. I'm also really getting into JJ Adams, saving up for some of his Star Wars and Royal Family stuff. I've taken out personal loans and borrowed from my mum because urban art is the future. Just look at Banksy. There are people who don't like it but they're blind. They're incapable of seeing the future and just jealous. Like, whatever. You know? People didn't take Van Gogh seriously but look at him now. Imagine if you had a time machine. How cool would that be? Back in the day, you could have bought all his prints for peanuts. Same with Picasso. And Warhol of course. He's a legend. Can I play in the game?
I'm having difficulty following your train of thought. Have you read points 7 and 8 of the Game Format and Rules? They seem straightforward to me, yet some of the questions I'm receiving make me think the drafting needs to be clearer.
For the avoidance of doubt, yes, you are welcome to participate.
[As an aside, do we know each other? If not, then apologies. You sound so much like a collector I met about 10 years ago. At the time, he was remortgaging his flat and maxing out credit cards to invest in urban art. It was like a feeding frenzy; prices for the artists he collected seemed to be going ballistic. I'm sure he's sitting on a massive pension now. Wouldn't be surprised if he's lying in the sun sipping piรฑa coladas.
I don't want to betray a confidence, so I'll call this collector, "[X]". Well, [X] really had a real knack for spotting talent. Finger right on the pulse. He could foresee the direction in which the art market was moving. It was impressive. And eerie too, like he had a sixth sense. Each artist [X] collected was the next Banksy. I mean, the work of those artists was in the private collections of celebrities. Like Dean Gaffney and everyone. It was starting to be sold at Urban Art auctions at Dreweatts, Bonhams... Even Bond Street and Knightsbridge galleries were selling it. And [X] had bought up all the good stuff before any of that lot were even clued in.
Have you heard of Diffusion of Innovations by Everett Rogers? In the adopter categories, [X] was an 'Early Adopter', maybe even an 'Innovator'. Completely ahead of the curve. And you should have seen his collection. One word: Stunning.
I must try to get back in touch and ask how that collection is coming along. We're talking museum-quality, iconic pieces by all the rising stars: SPQR, BAM, Bram, Hutch, Hush, DON, DOC, Ripper 1331, Prefab77, Static, Jef Aรฉrosol, David Walker, Holly Thoburn, ยฉopyยฎight, gE o RGE Morton-Clark, L.E.T., IamCxxx, GVD, Rourke Van Dal, Grafter, Fake, Levi C, T.Wat, Rich Simmonsโฆ all the big-names of the urban art scene. Or was it a "movement"? I can't remember. It was either a scene or a movement.
Anyhow, I'm totally out of the loop now with the market. But given the eye that [X] had and the shedloads of money I'm sure he made, it wouldn't surprise me if he reinvested most of it. Like you, no doubt he piled cash into Alec Monopoly and Mr Brainwash. Those guys are Premier League. I heard they're now being sold by Artnet alongside the likes of Warhol and Haring. If that doesn't say something, I don't know what does.
Good shout too with Sandra Chevrier, Bambi, JJ Adams, The Connor Brothers, Martin Whatson and Kunstrasen. When I was on holiday in Beaconsfield, I saw works by JJ Adams and Martin Whatson in the window of a gallery there. Imagine that โ underground graffiti kings like them having officially crossed over into the mainstream. It was so totally awesome. This is my generation and our time has finally come. I'm going on YouTube now to find We Are The Champions by Queen. I've got external speakers to play it super loud on repeat. The neighbours might complain but they can go do one.
By the way, you should check out other graffiti artists as well, like Pegasus, Plastic Jesus and Outis. And Stein too. Acquaintances tell me the Norwegian stencil scene is starting to kick some serious butt, as much butt as the black metal crab walk. Go Abbath!]
21. Wotcha. I only refer to B stuff by abbreviations: FC, HC, RC, LR, GR (my number one favourite print) and also GR (my number two favourite print). It saves a lot of time. And as with my impressively high post-count, it shows I know what I'm talking about.
In addition, the abbreviations reinforce an in-groupโout-group environment on the forum. What I often find myself doing at a conscious or subconscious level is trying to maximise the intergroup differences. It gives me a more tangible sense of social identity. I want to exclude from the in-group all of the Johnny-come-latelies who only got into B after DL and don't even know what "LN" means. Because, you know, I've been into B since like forever. Since BvBM and ETTGS. At least. If not earlier.
Do I meet the requirements for playing the game?
Has anyone actually read points 7 and 8 of the Game Format and Rules?
And, yes, you are welcome to participate.
22. hello !!! i write like a 12-year-old ! with loads of exclamation marks and things !! and plenty of emojis too...... because it's faster than thinking and finding the right way to share my feelings and stuff ! showing my mood in words is so tricky !!! omg, winky faces are sooooooo much simpler !! am i right or am i right ?! how did i ever live before emojis ??!!! whoever invented them deserves a medal !!! please, please, may i play the game ? lol !!!!!
If I were of a suspicious disposition, I'd think some of these questions were agenda-driven โ the Q&A equivalent of fake news. Resistance is an option for me. I could try my best working out which questions are sincere and which ones may have been planted. But that might be like swimming against the tide โ when all I seek is a simple life. Going with the flow, by taking each question at face value, therefore seems the wisest bet.
So, yes, you are welcome to participate.
23. Don't call me a flipper, I'm not a flipper. Maybe I do immediately resell most purchases, but who are you to judge? I don't judge you, so you have no right to judge me. Mind your own business. You have no idea how much I'm actually buying so you don't have all the facts. You're ignorant. Besides, I love art. I am an honest man, I'm not a flipper because I love art. I'm only trading up. That's not flipping, it doesn't count. "Creating unsustainable speculative bubbles which may ultimately hurt the artist", yeah, whinge whinge whatever. My bum. That's just your opinion. Say it all you want, I don't care. Try walking in my shoes and see how it feels. You can't have my shoes anyway, I need them. Nobody is clean. My shoes aren't even clean. So how would that even make sense? Tell me that! If I flip a Conor Harrington charity print, who are you to judge? Don't judge me, judge the real flippers! I love art. How many times do I have to repeat this for you to understand?! It's my print, I bought it, I can do what I want. The charity already got its money. So why are you sticking your nose in anyone else's business? If I flip multiple copies of the post-massacre issue of Charlie Hebdo, who are you to judge? You don't know me. Anyway, that's all water under the bridge I'll burn when I come to it. So move on, it's none of your business. All these accusations! Discussions about what's right or wrong are a waste of time. Ethics my bum. They only poison the forum. Nobody is clean. It's all relative. Enough with all this hatred! And don't compare me to flippers, I'm a true fan. I love art. I hate the real flippers. Those fรบcking flippers. Go after them instead! The bastards have no place on this forum. They're not true fans, only interested in money. We should ban them. Sic semper tyrannis! ยกHasta la victoria siempre! I love giveaways. Can you add me to the list ?
Hmm. There is no list as such, but you are welcome to participate in the game.
24. Sometimes when I read a forum post that I agree with or enjoy, I will click the 'Like Post' button. Sometimes I won't. What I've found is that it's easier to 'Like' a post that has already been 'Liked' by other people. It kind of feels safer that way, almost as if I'm joining a club. But when no one else has already clicked 'Like Post', I hesitate about whether I should do so myself, especially if the post is a bit critical. From a psychological perspective, that's quite interesting isn't it?
No, not really. Did you have a question about the game?
PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (2)13. Hi, it's me yet again. This is my third time reaching out. I forgot to add that I need more than one forum account for a legitimate reason: I sometimes leave brutally honest, controversial, inflammatory, or imbecilic but humorous comments which irritate some forum members. This is the essence of freedom of expression. And it should continue. I genuinely believe that posting funny but perhaps hurtful truths is in the interest of the forum. But I don't want this to compromise my personal and professional relationships, or to restrict my opportunities for buying and selling art. Having a second or third forum account therefore keeps the doors open for dealing with the people I piss off under another username. Given that free speech is at stake, could you waive point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules so I can participate in the game? No, sorry. I am conscious that, when you can be held accountable for your words, being candid or contentious is not without its disadvantages. There are obvious sacrifices โ including the closing of doors which the cloak of anonymity would otherwise leave conveniently open. My position may be flawed but it's quite simple: People should avoid succumbing to cowardice. The principle can be summarised as, "Man up or shut up."14. Hi, it's still me. Fourth attempt. If anything, you have to give me credit for my perseverance. I really need more than one forum account for confidentiality reasons as well. Privacy, as I'm sure you'll appreciate, is a crucial issue these days, one of the key issues of our time. When I'm buying art from other members, I want to be able to do so on the down-low using different accounts. This is even more important when I'm selling art, or immediately reselling stuff I've just bought. I'm a frequent poster on this forum, and I'm a respected member who helps and contributes to the urb an art community. But I fear that greater transparency on the forum would have serious drawbacks. My activities could be used against me if they were visible under a single forum account. For example, if I berated another member for flipping, the strength of my arguments would be undermined by my own history of reselling. This is what I'd like to avoid. Separately, I have a good, longstanding reputation under my regular forum username. I don't wish for my true-fan status to be tainted. And that status would indeed be tainted by the reselling I do using my second and third forum accounts. Under these exceptional circumstances, could you please waive point 8.3 of the Game Format and Rules so I can participate in the game? I am a trusted member. No, sorry. I would encourage you to resist any approach that amounts to, "Do as I say, not as I do."15. Hi, yes, it's still me. Fifth and last time. I just wanted to say, ever so sincerely, that you're a condescending fรบcker. You, with your know-it-all attitude, can go fรบck yourself. Seriously. And while I'm here, your moral compass is totally skewed. You allow relative newbies, mediocre little shรญts, and bloody Schwei nehunde to participate in the game, but not a true fan and trusted member like me who actually contributes and only needs a few forum accounts to resell in peace. Fair comment, especially on the Schweinehunde front. The truth of the matter is that I have more time for Schweinehunde than I do for cowards and hypocrites. They aren't mutually exclusive of course; vile characters are more likely to have multiple forum accounts. But, if forced under duress to choose between an upfront Schweinehund and an underhand so-called trusted forum member, I'd probably go with the former. At least I would know where they stood. It may be a fallacious argument, but the upfront Schweinehund seems more noble to me. There's greater honesty in their dishonesty.Noted as well regarding the attitude. I appreciate the feedback. Whenever attention is focused more on the perceived tone of delivery than on the actual substance of communications, the risk is that the effectiveness of those communications is diminished. That's when it becomes an issue of concern for me.16. You're not Admin. How would you know whether or not somebody has more than one forum account? Some members have previously been outed, in a convincing manner. Other members have unintentionally outed themselves. During the game itself, a forum moderator may discover that the IP address of a competition winner is linked to more than one account. This wouldn't be definitive proof of a duplicate account, but it would not look great either.If evidence presents itself that a competition winner has more than one account, I'll weigh it up and make a decision pursuant to point 9 of the Game Format and Rules.That said, the game is largely reliant upon the integrity of players. I'm optimistic the vast majority will behave honestly. Yes, a cheater could slip through the net, but I do hope the spirit of the game will dissuade them from trying.17. Dear Sirs, If I'm selling some art or showing off art on my walls at home, any hint of disapproval about the work is taken extra personally by me. I appreciate that, by its very nature, each and any post on a forum is an express or implied invitation for comments by other members. However, when I'm trying to get a deal done or proudly sharing my latest acquisition, choice of framing or hanging style, finicky comments are unwelcome. Such comments are actually an attack on my identity, on my being. So they're obviously inappropriate and have no place in a discussion about art on an art forum. When I post photos, I want an easy sale, not open challenges. Or I want validation. I want compliments and reassuring pats on the head. What I don't need is some bloody "art critic" piping up with "opinions" or "advice", WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR!!! I mean, like, HELLO???!! Who do they think they are? The stuck-up pricks, trying to find little faults in everything. I'm all for constructive criticism and everything but criticism just isn't constructive. Like, get a life! Start your own thread, stop derailing mine! I'm the one who started my thread, it's MINE!!! Do I have to spell it out for you?! This isn't Nazi Germany! People need to limit the opinions they express to positive ones. When I post about my art sales or my art collection, I'm baring my soul to complete strangers. And if my soul is being attacked, then naturally I'm gonna kinda freak out. It's difficult not to get defensive and passive-aggressive and a wee bit hysterical when I'm only trying to sell or share. Why are some people always so negative? Why do they insist on victimising me? Why can't those troublemakers STFU? Why can't we all just be nice to each other? No bully hiding behind a keyboard is going to shut me up. I will not be intimidated by bigots or college graduates or fascists! Can I play in the game? Yours sincerely, [ Name removed] I read this three times. Yet I'm still not sure what it has to do with the game. Focusing simply on your last question โ Yes, you are welcome to participate in the game. Good luck.[In case it is also of interest, I have a random but hopefully helpful tip for you: If yours had been a UK business letter, with a "Dear Sirs" greeting (i.e. non-specific recipient), the correct complimentary close would be "Yours faithfully" (rather than "Yours sincerely", which is used when a letter is addressed to a specific individual).]18. Whenever someone finds fault in the work of an artist I collect, I argue that the artist is a really great guy. Or that the detractor is being haughty and sneering. Granted, this is irrelevant to whether the art is any good. But straw man and ad hominem tactics help to personalise matters. They elicit emotional responses in people. As idiotic as it sounds, this often succeeds at deflecting the issue, discouraging critical thought and shutting down debate. It's rather convenient! In any event, if an artist is nice, they don't really deserve to have unkind things said about their work. Even less so if they're a member of the forum. It's bad etiquette. And, let's not forget either, this is my pension we're talking about. I've got to protect my investment. Am I eligible to participate in the competitions? As with the previous question, what you've mentioned seems unrelated to the game. But, yes, you are welcome to participate.19. I am dim and repugnant. In a private message to a Norwegian forum member a few years ago, I said I hoped his mother and kids get AIDS and die a painful death of cancer. Although this was later made public in a Dolk for-sale thread, it didn't stop me from becoming a Forum Guardian months later . But that position has since been revoked unfortunately . Will you allow me to take part in the game? Though it half feels like you're conflating this Q&A platform with a secular confessional, yes, you are welcome to participate.20. I've learned a lot about art through this forum and I'm starting to collect cool stuff. So far I've got some prints by Al ec Mo nopoly, Mr Br ainwash, Sa ndra Ch evrier, The Con nor Brothers and Ku nstrasen. I have a Dumb Voters print by RY CA, an original painting by Ba mbi, and the chimpanzee ballerina print by Martin Wh atson. I'm also really getting into JJ Ad ams, saving up for some of his Star Wars and Royal Family stuff. I've taken out personal loans and borrowed from my mum because urb an art is the future. Just look at Ba nksy. There are people who don't like it but they're blind. They're incapable of seeing the future and just jealous. Like, whatever. You know? People didn't take Van Gogh seriously but look at him now. Imagine if you had a time machine. How cool would that be? Back in the day, you could have bought all his prints for peanuts. Same with Picasso. And Wa rhol of course. He's a legend. Can I play in the game? I'm having difficulty following your train of thought. Have you read points 7 and 8 of the Game Format and Rules? They seem straightforward to me, yet some of the questions I'm receiving make me think the drafting needs to be clearer.For the avoidance of doubt, yes, you are welcome to participate.[As an aside, do we know each other? If not, then apologies. You sound so much like a collector I met about 10 years ago. At the time, he was remortgaging his flat and maxing out credit cards to invest in urban art. It was like a feeding frenzy; prices for the artists he collected seemed to be going ballistic. I'm sure he's sitting on a massive pension now. Wouldn't be surprised if he's lying in the sun sipping piรฑa coladas.I don't want to betray a confidence, so I'll call this collector, "[X]". Well, [X] really had a real knack for spotting talent. Finger right on the pulse. He could foresee the direction in which the art market was moving. It was impressive. And eerie too, like he had a sixth sense. Each artist [X] collected was the next Banksy. I mean, the work of those artists was in the private collections of celebrities. Like Dean Gaffney and everyone. It was starting to be sold at Urban Art auctions at Dreweatts, Bonhams... Even Bond Street and Knightsbridge galleries were selling it. And [X] had bought up all the good stuff before any of that lot were even clued in.Have you heard of Diffusion of Innovations by Everett Rogers? In the adopter categories, [X] was an 'Early Adopter', maybe even an 'Innovator'. Completely ahead of the curve. And you should have seen his collection. One word: Stunning. I must try to get back in touch and ask how that collection is coming along. We're talking museum-quality, iconic pieces by all the rising stars: SPQR, BAM, Bram, Hutch, Hush, DON, DOC, Ripper 1331, Prefab77, Static, Jef Aรฉrosol, David Walker, Holly Thoburn, ยฉopyยฎight, gE o RGE Morton-Clark, L.E.T., IamCxxx, GVD, Rourke Van Dal, Grafter, Fake, Levi C, T.Wat, Rich Simmonsโฆ all the big-names of the urban art scene. Or was it a "movement"? I can't remember. It was either a scene or a movement.Anyhow, I'm totally out of the loop now with the market. But given the eye that [X] had and the shedloads of money I'm sure he made, it wouldn't surprise me if he reinvested most of it. Like you, no doubt he piled cash into Alec Monopoly and Mr Brainwash. Those guys are Premier League. I heard they're now being sold by Artnet alongside the likes of Warhol and Haring. If that doesn't say something, I don't know what does.Good shout too with Sandra Chevrier, Bambi, JJ Adams, The Connor Brothers, Martin Whatson and Kunstrasen. When I was on holiday in Beaconsfield, I saw works by JJ Adams and Martin Whatson in the window of a gallery there. Imagine that โ underground graffiti kings like them having officially crossed over into the mainstream. It was so totally awesome. This is my generation and our time has finally come. I'm going on YouTube now to find We Are The Champions by Queen. I've got external speakers to play it super loud on repeat. The neighbours might complain but they can go do one.By the way, you should check out other graffiti artists as well, like Pegasus, Plastic Jesus and Outis. And Stein too. Acquaintances tell me the Norwegian stencil scene is starting to kick some serious butt, as much butt as the black metal crab walk. Go Abbath!]21. Wotcha. I only refer to B stuff by abbreviations: FC, HC, RC, LR, GR (my number one favourite print) and also GR (my number two favourite print). It saves a lot of time. And as with my impressively high post-count, it shows I know what I'm talking about. In addition, the abbreviations reinforce an in-groupโout-group environment on the forum. What I often find myself doing at a conscious or subconscious level is trying to maximise the intergroup differences. It gives me a more tangible sense of social identity. I want to exclude from the in-group all of the Johnny-come-latelies who only got into B after DL and don't even know what "LN" means. Because, you know, I've been into B since like forever. Since BvBM and ETTGS. At least. If not earlier. Do I meet the requirements for playing the game? Has anyone actually read points 7 and 8 of the Game Format and Rules?And, yes, you are welcome to participate.22. hello !!! i write like a 12-year-old ! with loads of exclamation marks and things !! and plenty of emojis too...... because it's faster than thinking and finding the right way to share my feelings and stuff ! showing my mood in words is so tricky !!! omg, winky faces are sooooooo much simpler !! am i right or am i right ?! how did i ever live before emojis ??!!! whoever invented them deserves a medal !!! please, please, may i play the game ? lol !!!!! If I were of a suspicious disposition, I'd think some of these questions were agenda-driven โ the Q&A equivalent of fake news. Resistance is an option for me. I could try my best working out which questions are sincere and which ones may have been planted. But that might be like swimming against the tide โ when all I seek is a simple life. Going with the flow, by taking each question at face value, therefore seems the wisest bet.So, yes, you are welcome to participate.23. Don't call me a flipper, I'm not a flipper. Maybe I do immediately resell most purchases, but who are you to judge? I don't judge you, so you have no right to judge me. Mind your own business. You have no idea how much I'm actually buying so you don't have all the facts. You're ignorant. Besides, I love art. I am an honest man, I'm not a flipper because I love art. I'm only trading up. That's not flipping, it doesn't count. "Creating unsustainable speculative bubbles which may ultimately hurt the artist", yeah, whinge whinge whatever. My bum. That's just your opinion. Say it all you want, I don't care. Try walking in my shoes and see how it feels. You can't have my shoes anyway, I need them. Nobody is clean. My shoes aren't even clean. So how would that even make sense? Tell me that! If I flip a Conor Harrington charity print, who are you to judge? Don't judge me, judge the real flippers! I love art. How many times do I have to repeat this for you to understand?! It's my print, I bought it, I can do what I want. The charity already got its money. So why are you sticking your nose in anyone else's business? If I flip multiple copies of the post-massacre issue of Charlie Hebdo, who are you to judge? You don't know me. Anyway, that's all water under the bridge I'll burn when I come to it. So move on, it's none of your business. All these accusations! Discussions about what's right or wrong are a waste of time. Ethics my bum. They only poison the forum. Nobody is clean. It's all relative. Enough with all this hatred! And don't compare me to flippers, I'm a true fan. I love art. I hate the real flippers. Those fรบcking flippers. Go after them instead! The bastards have no place on this forum. They're not true fans, only interested in money. We should ban them. Sic semper tyrannis! ยกHasta la victoria siempre! I love giveaways. Can you add me to the list ? Hmm. There is no list as such, but you are welcome to participate in the game.24. Sometimes when I read a forum post that I agree with or enjoy, I will click the 'Like Post' button. Sometimes I won't. What I've found is that it's easier to 'Like' a post that has already been 'Liked' by other people. It kind of feels safer that way, almost as if I'm joining a club. But when no one else has already clicked 'Like Post', I hesitate about whether I should do so myself, especially if the post is a bit critical. From a psychological perspective, that's quite interesting isn't it? No, not really. Did you have a question about the game?
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25. Hey!! I like to refer to art as "this bad boy" or "that bad boy". My art is a very bad boy. I want to spank its bare bottom. I want to spank that bad boy's bottom until it's bright red. Woohooyaahey! It really is a bad, baaad boy.
Oh yeah, and when I buy art, I won't say, "I bought some art". I'll say, "I pulled the trigger". It's like an analogy or a metaphor or something. It's like I'm pulling the trigger of a gun. Pew, pew, pew!
Can I take part in the game?
Yes, you are welcome to participate.
26. Hey!! It's me again! Thank you for the quick reply to my earlier question. I have another question. With the artist Banksy, I don't call him "Banksy". I call him "Mr B", which shows I know what I'm talking about. I'm really, really into his work. I know it so well. I love it! Futura and Invader are amazing as well. I want to call them "Mr F" and "Mr I". It seems like a cool thing to do but I haven't seen anyone else do it yet. Maybe I'll wait for others to start using "Mr F" and "Mr I" first, because I don't want to stick out too much or look like an idiot. ROFL!
Oh yeah, and I describe original artworks as "OGs". I'm not sure why, but that's what I've seen others doing. And they seem to know what they're talking about. I can't imagine so many people saying "OG" if it wasn't the right term to use. I guess it's similar to "GLWYS". That's like secret gang language, but for forum members. I did go out with a girl from Cardiff once, for almost three months. To my shame I never learned a word of Welsh, but I'm sure "Glwys" just means "Cheers". Everybody says it. So guess I should too.
Can I still take part in the game?
Yes, you are still welcome to participate.
27. Hey!! Glwys again for the quick reply!
You are welcome.
28. Hey!! Sorry, it's only me again! Last question. I use the words "iconic" and "classic" all the time. To describe any image, really, as long as I recognise it. Andโฆ Oh yeah, I forgot... I don't get bogged down in all the details like technical skill or concept or originality and stuff. I mean, nothing on this planet is original anymore, is it? Besides, I'm more of a big picture kind of person.
Also, I'm comfortable calling every artist and their art "brilliant" and "genius". It's subjective, right? All of it is subjective. Everything is brilliant and genius in its own way. It just depends on how you're looking at things. Have you seen Dead Poets Society? The way they looked at things was by standing on their desks.
Can I still, still take part in the game?
Yes, you are still, still welcome to participate.
29. i uh we publish what some snobs refer to as "naff, insipid prints by mostly third-rate artists and other people who refer to themselves as artists".
some of my uh i mean our artists have even painted sanctioned walls in the street.
ive appropriated the term "graffiti" and used it in my business name, its like free credibility by forced association but without having to deal with actual graffiti and stuff
it helps me to offload prints onto punters uh i mean seasoned collectors who know little about art let alone graffiti culture.
in this business thats a mega market and punters uh savvy collectors fall over themselves to lap our shรญt up. faux tagging, outis lol classic
faux sincerity is also the new black so i uh we like to come across as open and genuine, talking about my uh i mean our tiny artisan print company, but we also lie about the number of prints actually available for online releases.
its completely unnecessary to lie though its fun to see if i uh we can get away with it, and we are just a small family here so plenty of stock has to be held back to be sold later at adjusted prices, or on ebay during the anticipated post-release&sellout frenzy.
some people complain which is why we dont write so much here anymore
anyway we can just throw a couple of biscuits to our useful idiot punters uh seasoned collectors and they do most of the work defending me uh us online
they will defend us like bitches if we let them think they might get a few scraps in the future, access to a pre-pre release etc. its quid pro quo. ยฃiterally
one born every minute as they say, thats where the magic is.
its a funny old business but we love it
Can i uh we play in the game?
Yes, you are welcome to participate.
30. Wow. just wow. I bet u think ur soooo clever dont u? Well ur a jackass fusspot. ur always hatin on artists and publishers. They have a hard nuff time as it is fyi their just trying to make a living. Lets see u do better!! Can u even paint smartypants? Huh? Methinks not!!! how can u hate on artists if u cant even paint urself? Would u complain about a restaurant meal if u never even baked a soufflรฉ before? Of course not coz u wouldnt know what u were talked about! no leg to stand on dude. Just think about THAT next time u want to hate on someone whose just trying to make a living. Their not mugging grannies for gods sake! ur just angry dude!! If ur so angry u need to TAKE A CHILL PILL AND CHILL THE F**K OUT!! and if u dont like something why dont u just move on dude?! why waste ur own time and everybody elses time by even commenting dude? Keep ur thoughts to urself. No offence but Im sick of haters like u ALWAYS BRINGING DOWN THIS COMMUNITY!!! I shouldnt be surprised coz HATERS GONNA HATE. So suck it. SUCK THE BIG ONE! LOL!!#suckthebigone #lol #justsayin #peace. Can I take part in the game?
Yes, you are welcome to participate.
31. If discussing issues with others here who have opposing views, they will occasionally raise strong or valid points that support their positions. When this occurs, I never acknowledge they have a good point because it would weaken my own position. It isn't about having a civilised discussion. That would require reflection, flushing out specific areas of disagreement, finding common ground with the other side, and possibly having to alter my own position. You see, I don't actually need to think. Intuitively, I already know what is right and wrong. So critical reasoning is unnecessary and actually unhelpful; it's for pseudo-intellectuals who spend their time looking for nuances and grey areas from their comfortable armchairs.
On a public platform like a message board, what is necessary is to stand firm, to not budge an inch. When faced with a good argument or counterargument from the opposing side, it's best to dig your heels in and double-down. Alternatively, duck the issue and ignore the argument completely, or downplay its relevance. Even better, consciously misrepresent the argument. If necessary, change the subject immediately.
And if you start to lose ground, resort to personal attacks and name-calling as a distraction tactic. It will often throw the other side off balance, putting them in a defensive tailspin. Some of the most effective slurs in my arsenal are "bigot", "racist" and "fascist". These are highly emotive terms and they stick like mud. Even when patently ridiculous, they can still undermine the credibility of your opponent among less intelligent readers, or those who are oblivious to rhetorical and propaganda techniques. Depending on the context, more tempered accusations like "troll", "bitter", "judgemental", "holier-than-thou", "elitist" and even "expert" can also be highly effective at silencing adversaries.
Again, under no circumstances should you acknowledge the strength or soundness of the other side's argument. Intellectual honesty and fair play should be resisted. They're part of the namby-pamby, bourgeois toolkit โ completely ineffective and complicating matters unnecessarily.
You see, by very definition, the other side in a discussion is the enemy. They must be ridiculed, humiliated, crushed. If you don't win the debate, you lose the debate. You lose face. When you concede any point to your opponent, you lose face. This is serious. It's an all or nothing scenario.
May I participate in the game?
Yes, you are welcome to participate.
32. Free speech is great and all but if people are insulting me, it's not on, is it? I'm a knowledgeable forum member. I don't have time to deal with idiots criticising me or my words or my actions. They can fรบck right off. I'm outta here. How dare they judge a solid, knowledgable member. It's disrespectful. I won't stand for it. No wonder all the knowledgeable members and all the artists have left this forum. More people should be backing me up when I'm only being honest and talking sense. But they don't because there are no knowledgeable members left here. Where have they gone? I'll tell you. They jumped ship ages ago with all of the respected members. And what about the trusted members? Where are they? Well, they're gone too. I'm telling you. The trusted members left after all the genuine collectors took off. There are no more true fans here either. The forum has gone to crap. It really has. I remember how it was back in the day. It's all about the money now. This place ain't what it used to be. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. I've never even read Peter De Vries. No one understands. Fรบck you all. I'm not bothered. Do I look bothered? What are you looking at? Stop looking at me! Well, hope you're happy because this is the last you'll hear from me. I'm done. I've had enough of this place. I'm gone. I'm not coming back. I'm outta here... Hello? Are you still there? I'm really serious this time. I'm really going. I'm outta here... Hello?
Did you have a question about the game?
33. How are you deciding on the number of lottery numbers up for grabs for each of the competitions?
In part, it relates to the length of the relevant video(s) or podcast, i.e. the amount of time players have to sacrifice if they wish to compete in a particular competition. The level of concentration required for the relevant video(s) or podcast is also factored in.
For example, a competition featuring a documentary that's pretty straightforward and even enjoyable to watch may be for fewer lottery numbers than a podcast that can only be listened to, a video of a lecture with poor sound quality, or discussions presenting ideas that are controversial or challenging. The latter might deprive listeners of the reassurance of their echo chamber and filter bubbles, the comfort of instinctively nodding in agreement to viewpoints aligning with their own. These cases may require listeners to expend more energy in thinking critically โ if only to formulate in their own minds rational and convincing arguments as to why they disagree with specific opinions expressed.
So there's a correlation as well between the likely irritation or pain to be endured by players and the number of lottery numbers they're competing for.
34. If I'm the winner of a competition (fingers crossed!) and I'm allocated specific lottery numbers, can I swap one of these with another winner so that I end up with my lucky number 21?
No. Frankly, your request is in itself disheartening. It indicates I'm already failing to achieve one of my goals. I'd be tempted to revoke all of your lottery numbers simply for having asked the question. But this would be unfair and mean-spirited of me. I do however recommend that you check out YouTube videos on the psychological explanations for superstition.
35. Why do we have to watch long, boring videos and answer questions to take part in the lottery? What's the point?
If you're unable to work this out for yourself, then you more than anyone are my target market.
36. WTF? What's with the fรบcking videos and exam questions? How much time do you think we have? Is this some kind of self-indulgent power trip? Seeing how much people will do when you dangle in front of them some unknown prize? Is that the experiment? Pull your head out of your ass. Why don't you start a normal list, or get people to "Like" your original post if they want to be in the lottery? That's what the other attention-seeking saddos do with their giveaways. You know, the ones with insecurity issues, who are desperate to be popular with strangers online? Sound familiar? Knob.
To the extent intentions are relevant, I confirm that mine are unrelated to power-tripping. But nor is the game a free ride. Playing requires a commitment in time, listening and reflection. And if you're unwilling to make such an investment, then regrettably this isn't for you. I say "regrettably" without facetiousness because you are one of the people I had in mind when creating the game. So please reconsider your position. There's always the option of participating in just one or two of the competitions.
PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (3)25. Hey!! I like to refer to art as "this bad boy" or "that bad boy". My art is a very bad boy. I want to spank its bare bottom. I want to spank that bad boy's bottom until it's bright red. Woohooyaahey! It really is a bad, baaad boy. Oh yeah, and when I buy art, I won't say, "I bought some art". I'll say, "I pulled the trigger". It's like an analogy or a metaphor or something. It's like I'm pulling the trigger of a gun. Pew, pew, pew! Can I take part in the game? Yes, you are welcome to participate.26. Hey!! It's me again! Thank you for the quick reply to my earlier question. I have another question. With the artist Ba nksy, I don't call him "Banksy". I call him "Mr B", which shows I know what I'm talking about. I'm really, really into his work. I know it so well. I love it! Fu tura and In vader are amazing as well. I want to call them "Mr F" and "Mr I". It seems like a cool thing to do but I haven't seen anyone else do it yet. Maybe I'll wait for others to start using "Mr F" and "Mr I" first, because I don't want to stick out too much or look like an idiot. ROFL! Oh yeah, and I describe original artworks as "OGs". I'm not sure why, but that's what I've seen others doing. And they seem to know what they're talking about. I can't imagine so many people saying "OG" if it wasn't the right term to use. I guess it's similar to "GLWYS". That's like secret gang language, but for forum members. I did go out with a girl from Cardiff once, for almost three months. To my shame I never learned a word of Welsh, but I'm sure "Glwys" just means "Cheers". Everybody says it. So guess I should too. Can I still take part in the game? Yes, you are still welcome to participate.27. Hey!! Glwys again for the quick reply! You are welcome.28. Hey!! Sorry, it's only me again! Last question. I use the words "iconic" and "classic" all the time. To describe any image, really, as long as I recognise it. Andโฆ Oh yeah, I forgot... I don't get bogged down in all the details like technical skill or concept or originality and stuff. I mean, nothing on this planet is original anymore, is it? Besides, I'm more of a big picture kind of person. Also, I'm comfortable calling every artist and their art "brilliant" and "genius". It's subjective, right? All of it is subjective. Everything is brilliant and genius in its own way. It just depends on how you're looking at things. Have you seen Dead Poets Society? The way they looked at things was by standing on their desks. Can I still, still take part in the game? Yes, you are still, still welcome to participate.29. i uh we publish what some snobs refer to as "naff, insipid prints by mostly third-rate artists and other people who refer to themselves as artists". some of my uh i mean our artists have even painted sanctioned walls in the street. ive appropriated the term "graffiti" and used it in my business name, its like free credibility by forced association but without having to deal with actual graffiti and stuff it helps me to offload prints onto punters uh i mean seasoned collectors who know little about art let alone graffiti culture. in this business thats a mega market and punters uh savvy collectors fall over themselves to lap our shรญt up. faux tagging, outis lol classic faux sincerity is also the new black so i uh we like to come across as open and genuine, talking about my uh i mean our tiny artisan print company, but we also lie about the number of prints actually available for online releases. its completely unnecessary to lie though its fun to see if i uh we can get away with it, and we are just a small family here so plenty of stock has to be held back to be sold later at adjusted prices, or on eb ay during the anticipated post-release&sellout frenzy. some people complain which is why we dont write so much here anymore anyway we can just throw a couple of biscuits to our useful idiot punters uh seasoned collectors and they do most of the work defending me uh us online they will defend us like bi tches if we let them think they might get a few scraps in the future, access to a pre-pre release etc. its quid pro quo. ยฃiterally one born every minute as they say, thats where the magic is. its a funny old business but we love it Can i uh we play in the game? Yes, you are welcome to participate.30. Wow. just wow. I bet u think ur soooo clever dont u? Well ur a jackass fusspot. ur always hatin on artists and publishers. They have a hard nuff time as it is fyi their just trying to make a living. Lets see u do better!! Can u even paint smartypants? Huh? Methinks not!!! how can u hate on artists if u cant even paint urself? Would u complain about a restaurant meal if u never even baked a soufflรฉ before? Of course not coz u wouldnt know what u were talked about! no leg to stand on dude. Just think about THAT next time u want to hate on someone whose just trying to make a living. Their not mugging grannies for gods sake! ur just angry dude!! If ur so angry u need to TAKE A CHILL PILL AND CHILL THE F**K OUT!! and if u dont like something why dont u just move on dude?! why waste ur own time and everybody elses time by even commenting dude? Keep ur thoughts to urself. No offence but Im sick of haters like u ALWAYS BRINGING DOWN THIS COMMUNITY!!! I shouldnt be surprised coz HATERS GONNA HATE. So suck it. SUCK THE BIG ONE! LOL!!#suckthebigone #lol #justsayin #peace. Can I take part in the game? Yes, you are welcome to participate.31. If discussing issues with others here who have opposing views, they will occasionally raise strong or valid points that support their positions. When this occurs, I never acknowledge they have a good point because it would weaken my own position. It isn't about having a civilised discussion. That would require reflection, flushing out specific areas of disagreement, finding common ground with the other side, and possibly having to alter my own position. You see, I don't actually need to think. Intuitively, I already know what is right and wrong. So critical reasoning is unnecessary and actually unhelpful; it's for pseudo-intellectuals who spend their time looking for nuances and grey areas from their comfortable armchairs. On a public platform like a message board, what is necessary is to stand firm, to not budge an inch. When faced with a good argument or counterargument from the opposing side, it's best to dig your heels in and double-down. Alternatively, duck the issue and ignore the argument completely, or downplay its relevance. Even better, consciously misrepresent the argument. If necessary, change the subject immediately. And if you start to lose ground, resort to personal attacks and name-calling as a distraction tactic. It will often throw the other side off balance, putting them in a defensive tailspin. Some of the most effective slurs in my arsenal are "bigot", "racist" and "fascist". These are highly emotive terms and they stick like mud. Even when patently ridiculous, they can still undermine the credibility of your opponent among less intelligent readers, or those who are oblivious to rhetorical and propaganda techniques. Depending on the context, more tempered accusations like "troll", "bitter", "judgemental", "holier-than-thou", "elitist" and even "expert" can also be highly effective at silencing adversaries. Again, under no circumstances should you acknowledge the strength or soundness of the other side's argument. Intellectual honesty and fair play should be resisted. They're part of the namby-pamby, bourgeois toolkit โ completely ineffective and complicating matters unnecessarily. You see, by very definition, the other side in a discussion is the enemy. They must be ridiculed, humiliated, crushed. If you don't win the debate, you lose the debate. You lose face. When you concede any point to your opponent, you lose face. This is serious. It's an all or nothing scenario. May I participate in the game? Yes, you are welcome to participate.32. Free speech is great and all but if people are insulting me, it's not on, is it? I'm a knowledgeable forum member. I don't have time to deal with idiots criticising me or my words or my actions. They can fรบck right off. I'm outta here. How dare they judge a solid, knowledgable member. It's disrespectful. I won't stand for it. No wonder all the knowledgeable members and all the artists have left this forum. More people should be backing me up when I'm only being honest and talking sense. But they don't because there are no knowledgeable members left here. Where have they gone? I'll tell you. They jumped ship ages ago with all of the respected members. And what about the trusted members? Where are they? Well, they're gone too. I'm telling you. The trusted members left after all the genuine collectors took off. There are no more true fans here either. The forum has gone to crap. It really has. I remember how it was back in the day. It's all about the money now. This place ain't what it used to be. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. I've never even read Peter De Vries. No one understands. Fรบck you all. I'm not bothered. Do I look bothered? What are you looking at? Stop looking at me! Well, hope you're happy because this is the last you'll hear from me. I'm done. I've had enough of this place. I'm gone. I'm not coming back. I'm outta here... Hello? Are you still there? I'm really serious this time. I'm really going. I'm outta here... Hello? Did you have a question about the game?33. How are you deciding on the number of lottery numbers up for grabs for each of the competitions? In part, it relates to the length of the relevant video(s) or podcast, i.e. the amount of time players have to sacrifice if they wish to compete in a particular competition. The level of concentration required for the relevant video(s) or podcast is also factored in.For example, a competition featuring a documentary that's pretty straightforward and even enjoyable to watch may be for fewer lottery numbers than a podcast that can only be listened to, a video of a lecture with poor sound quality, or discussions presenting ideas that are controversial or challenging. The latter might deprive listeners of the reassurance of their echo chamber and filter bubbles, the comfort of instinctively nodding in agreement to viewpoints aligning with their own. These cases may require listeners to expend more energy in thinking critically โ if only to formulate in their own minds rational and convincing arguments as to why they disagree with specific opinions expressed.So there's a correlation as well between the likely irritation or pain to be endured by players and the number of lottery numbers they're competing for.34. If I'm the winner of a competition (fingers crossed!) and I'm allocated specific lottery numbers, can I swap one of these with another winner so that I end up with my lucky number 21? No. Frankly, your request is in itself disheartening. It indicates I'm already failing to achieve one of my goals. I'd be tempted to revoke all of your lottery numbers simply for having asked the question. But this would be unfair and mean-spirited of me. I do however recommend that you check out YouTube videos on the psychological explanations for superstition.35. Why do we have to watch long, boring videos and answer questions to take part in the lottery? What's the point? If you're unable to work this out for yourself, then you more than anyone are my target market.36. WTF? What's with the fรบcking videos and exam questions? How much time do you think we have? Is this some kind of self-indulgent power trip? Seeing how much people will do when you dangle in front of them some unknown prize? Is that the experiment? Pull your head out of your ass. Why don't you start a normal list, or get people to "Like" your original post if they want to be in the lottery? That's what the other attention-seeking saddos do with their giveaways. You know, the ones with insecurity issues, who are desperate to be popular with strangers online? Sound familiar? Knob. To the extent intentions are relevant, I confirm that mine are unrelated to power-tripping. But nor is the game a free ride. Playing requires a commitment in time, listening and reflection. And if you're unwilling to make such an investment, then regrettably this isn't for you. I say "regrettably" without facetiousness because you are one of the people I had in mind when creating the game. So please reconsider your position. There's always the option of participating in just one or two of the competitions.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 1, 2017 19:23:59 GMT 1, PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (4)
37. Your Q&As are far too long. For the average person, I imagine they're off-putting. It would be better to reduce the questions and answers to a number that's more manageable and reader-friendly. Many people will have a quick glance, see massive walls of text, and say to themselves, "I can't be bothered to even begin reading." And so, paradoxically, in an effort to be comprehensive, the only thing you've actually succeeded in doing is to dilute your own effectiveness.
Amazingly quick reaction. I thought I was fast, but how did you do that? I only started posting these Q&As here a few seconds ago.
Very good remark as well. In my naivety, I underestimated the volume of correspondence I'd have to deal with. But, in fairness to everyone who's taken the time to write in, I feel I've got to continue ploughing on. Did you have a question about the game?
38. Can I take part in the competitions by attempting to answer the three questions, but without watching the videos? I think I can bluff it, or play the system by using Google for the answers.
You are most welcome to try. If, by using that technique, you somehow succeed in being the first person to answer a set of three questions correctly, then glory truly is yours.
39. This is JBoy. can i take part in the competitions?
40. This is JBoy. My last message might not have gone through. ive been having some computer problems lately. so i thought id better send you another message... can i take part in the competitions?
Yes, you are welcome to participate in the game.
41. This is JBoy again. id like to take part in the competitions. not being funny but Im afraid if i win the lottery draw, you will swap the prize and send me a turd in the post instead. can you promise you wont do that?
Well, it is true that for me you personify much of what I have contempt for: Sociopathic lying, disingenuousness, deceitful and manipulative behaviour, hyping random artists you have vested interests in for short-term profit through sales here or on eBay, exploiting the lack of knowledge of inexperienced collectors, generally being small-minded or ignoble. And occasionally trying to conceal your detestable nature with a veil of bonhomie. That sort of thing.
In fairness, I acknowledge the level of your repulsiveness has lessened in recent years, or perhaps it's simply become less visible. Regardless, you are someone I wish to have zero association with โ even in opposition, which is why I rarely consider your posts and have never replied to them. The irony of responding to you here is therefore not lost on me. It's a betrayal of personal principle which makes me feel both oddly magnanimous and sick to my stomach.
That being said, I usually try to be mindful of and to resist the temptation of behaving in a petty manner. Sending a turd in the post would be petty. And odious. And disgusting. Hardly ennobling. Separately, my integrity is greater than my distaste for you (and for the small handful of other buffoons or contemptible characters on this forum). Accordingly, I give you my word that the prize will remain the same regardless of the identity of the lottery-draw winner. See also point 13 of the Game Format and Rules.
[Curiously enough, you actually inspired me to pursue an interest in the natural sciences โ specifically in the field of evolutionary developmental biology. My indebtedness to you is for the lightbulb moment I had reading a few of your posts eight or nine years ago. Stepping back for a moment, within the scientific community, the received wisdom is that humans (anatomically modern Homo sapiens) have a common ancestor with chimpanzees and bonobos, and more distant common ancestors with gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. I believe this is mostly accurate, yet not entirely so.
Extensive research will be needed of course, along with supporting DNA evidence (perhaps a sample from a strand of your hair). But I'm confident I can turn an entire field of study on its head by proving the soundness of my new, rival theory. It is as follows: Conventional thinking regarding human evolution is correct with respect to the vast majority of our species. However, a small number of humans do exist that are separate and genetically distinct. They share common ancestry, not with apes, but with Dracunculus medinensis.
While it's terribly premature of me to say so, I can feel it in my veins: This revolutionary theory has "holiday in Stockholm", "gold medal" and "SEK 8,000,000" written all over it.]
42. *** FORUM GUARDIAN ALERT *** Who do you think you are kidding ? These aren't genuine questions !!!! They are way more like fiction and fantasy and I'm sure you made them up !!!! The staff at Banksy.info is not taking any sides on this particular issue at this time until all the facts are known - but we do frown upon respected forum members being ridiculed. How would you like it if we did that to you ? I am wound up today. Do you think you are funny busting my chops ? I know what's funny, and this is not funny !! I'm open minded - I don't mind a bit of "joking" or whatever - I've got a sense of humour. Many well respected members have vouched for me. But you crossed the line - plain disrespectful. It is not cool and it is happening more and more. There are tons of great people on here and you are hating on us. That just seems a bit pathetic to me and I didn't want to bit my tongue any longer. You have mental problems !!!! I don't mean that in a negative way against mental people - I am PC and I support mental people 24/7, seven days a week, 360ยฐ. But you aren't right in the head - I mean WTF dude !!!!!! This is bullying & harassment. Do you not realize it's against the law ?! My role is to not have a specific biased opinion - but rather independently enforce the rules set forth by Pro Boards without personal prejudice. I will edit the thread to remove any profanities and what could be perceived as threats. It easier to be proactive PC than deal with the PM's that always eventually follow. Did I ever mention I sent out almost a hundred FREE signed STIK "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show ? And how many members thanked me ? Almost no one. I remember someone on here busting my chops because I asked for postage. I am not looking for appreciation, I am just pointing out that I wasn't thanked enough. Let me be perfectly clear - all FG"s are NON paid volunteers - we do not get paid for our services. We do it because we love this scene and want to make sure our site remains relevant and a fun, interesting & safe place to visit. After I finish promoting my commercial gallery here, I will be sending a PM to the other FG"s on this particular issue. I don't have inconclusive proof yet but I am almost 110% positive all these questions aren't genuine !!!!
What we have is an unfortunate misunderstanding. Please rest assured that none of the questions I've posted are any less genuine than yours.
43. I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
First, I'm not looking for a ransom. Second, I don't have your daughter. Third, this is only a game. If you're upset about the sound volume being too low on some of the competition videos, then I sincerely apologise.
44. Last month, my partner and I watched the 2003 docudrama, Touching the Void. In case you don't know, it's about the 1985 story of two British mountaineers during a climb in the Peruvian Andes, their situation becoming increasingly dire: extreme cold, crazy stormy weather conditions, they've run out of gas for fire, dehydration, exhaustion, one of them badly breaks his leg, you name it... Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. If you think losing out on a print release after a few hours of pressing F5 is excruciating, you should watch this film.
Anyway, the two climbers are attached together by a long rope, and there's a moment where the first inadvertently lowers the second one with the broken leg off a very high cliff. That one is hanging like a deadweight, unable to climb back up because his hands are also frostbitten, while the first doesn't have the strength to pull him up. They can't see each other, nor can they even hear each other in the blizzard.
After about an hour in this limbo, the first climber starts to lose his secure position due to the powdery snow. He's being pulled down by the weight of the second at the other end of the rope. So the first climber has to decide whether to (a) cut the rope to save his own life or (b) risk being pulled down into the void, with both climbers then almost certainly falling to their deaths.
When the film was over, my partner asked me what I'd do if we were in that scenario and she were the one hanging over the cliff. I said I'd have to cut the rope. Because, clearly, it's better for one of us to survive than for both of us to die. This rational and honest response didn't go down well, and my partner hasn't spoken to me since. Can you help?
No, sorry. Good luck to you, but that is beyond the remit of the game. I don't even have time to deal with my own problems.
45. [Consolidation of multiple questions received:] Could you change the time at which you post the sets of three questions? I live in [Los Angeles / New York / London / Paris / Moscow / Singapore / Melbourne]. That means the questions are posted when I'm usually [stuck in rush hour traffic / at the office / in class / at an art show / at the pub / eating dinner / in the loo / walking the dog / spending quality time with family / asleep].
No, sorry. I understand the timing may be awkward or disruptive for you. But anyone wishing to participate in the game needs to work around my hours, not vice versa. When it comes to the times at which the questions are posted, my priority will be consistency. I'm fond of patterns.
46. It would of been preferable to vary the competitions. Their current format of video-related questions is too restricted. All the videos are in English, my third language, which affects (a lot) my ability to compete. It's not a level playing field because English native speakers have the advantage. They're more likely to be first to answer the questions correctly. Could you diversify the game a bit more?
No, sorry. Your predicament is unfortunate. I do empathise.
While it may not reduce the grievance you feel, I will say that your written English is commendable. In one paragraph, you sidestepped about half a dozen common spelling and grammar mistakes. The only errors I spotted were the references to "would of" (instead of "would have") and "English native speakers" (instead of "native English speakers" or "native speakers of English").
Moreover, please note that many other people will also be at some disadvantage when playing the game. They include, for example, anyone who:
(i) has hand osteoarthritis or is simply a slow writer; (ii) has attention-deficit / hyperactivity disorder; (iii) can hear but nevertheless has trouble listening; (iv) has difficulty with information retention; (v) lacks "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills"; (vi) is an infrequent visitor to this forum; (vii) happens to have a busy schedule with little spare time for watching videos; or (viii) is based in Asia Pacific, where the time-zone differences with GMT may be very inconvenient.
47. Ha ha! I see the winner will be announced on April 1st โ April Fool's Day. All of this is a wind-up, isn't it? I bet there's no prize and the lottery "winner" will actually end up being the big loser. Am I right?
Good for you for spotting that date. The caveat I'd make here is to be wary of looking for significance in places where none may exist. Being highly observant and very suspicious probably serves you well in life. But this can just as easily be a hindrance, the source of paranoia and a conspiracy-theory mindset.
48. Can you tell us what the prize is? It would allow members to make an informed decision about whether it's worth their while to play. This would be consistent with what seems to be a recurring objective in many of your posts: Encouraging people to inform themselves, think critically, hold considered opinions, and make rational decisions.
Deftly crafted. And in response โ No, sorry. Disclosing the prize would undermine one of the aims of the game. As your parents and teachers will have drummed into your head years ago, "It's not the winning, it's the taking part that counts."
So I'm afraid you'll have to go in blind. If you really do need to make a cost / benefit analysis, it would be safest to work on the assumption that the benefit of playing to you, at least in financial terms, might be zero.
I do understand why some are drawn to the idea of a prize. That's why it exists to begin with โ it serves as a carrot to encourage a broader participation in the game. But the prize is also a red herring. To focus on it is to miss the point.
PART I: MARATHON โ Q&As / FAQs (4)
37. Your Q&As are far too long. For the average person, I imagine they're off-putting. It would be better to reduce the questions and answers to a number that's more manageable and reader-friendly. Many people will have a quick glance, see massive walls of text, and say to themselves, "I can't be bothered to even begin reading." And so, paradoxically, in an effort to be comprehensive, the only thing you've actually succeeded in doing is to dilute your own effectiveness.
Amazingly quick reaction. I thought I was fast, but how did you do that? I only started posting these Q&As here a few seconds ago.
Very good remark as well. In my naivety, I underestimated the volume of correspondence I'd have to deal with. But, in fairness to everyone who's taken the time to write in, I feel I've got to continue ploughing on. Did you have a question about the game?
38. Can I take part in the competitions by attempting to answer the three questions, but without watching the videos? I think I can bluff it, or play the system by using Google for the answers.
You are most welcome to try. If, by using that technique, you somehow succeed in being the first person to answer a set of three questions correctly, then glory truly is yours.
39. This is JBoy. can i take part in the competitions?
40. This is JBoy. My last message might not have gone through. ive been having some computer problems lately. so i thought id better send you another message... can i take part in the competitions?
Yes, you are welcome to participate in the game.
41. This is JBoy again. id like to take part in the competitions. not being funny but Im afraid if i win the lottery draw, you will swap the prize and send me a turd in the post instead. can you promise you wont do that?
Well, it is true that for me you personify much of what I have contempt for: Sociopathic lying, disingenuousness, deceitful and manipulative behaviour, hyping random artists you have vested interests in for short-term profit through sales here or on eBay, exploiting the lack of knowledge of inexperienced collectors, generally being small-minded or ignoble. And occasionally trying to conceal your detestable nature with a veil of bonhomie. That sort of thing.
In fairness, I acknowledge the level of your repulsiveness has lessened in recent years, or perhaps it's simply become less visible. Regardless, you are someone I wish to have zero association with โ even in opposition, which is why I rarely consider your posts and have never replied to them. The irony of responding to you here is therefore not lost on me. It's a betrayal of personal principle which makes me feel both oddly magnanimous and sick to my stomach.
That being said, I usually try to be mindful of and to resist the temptation of behaving in a petty manner. Sending a turd in the post would be petty. And odious. And disgusting. Hardly ennobling. Separately, my integrity is greater than my distaste for you (and for the small handful of other buffoons or contemptible characters on this forum). Accordingly, I give you my word that the prize will remain the same regardless of the identity of the lottery-draw winner. See also point 13 of the Game Format and Rules.
[Curiously enough, you actually inspired me to pursue an interest in the natural sciences โ specifically in the field of evolutionary developmental biology. My indebtedness to you is for the lightbulb moment I had reading a few of your posts eight or nine years ago. Stepping back for a moment, within the scientific community, the received wisdom is that humans (anatomically modern Homo sapiens) have a common ancestor with chimpanzees and bonobos, and more distant common ancestors with gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. I believe this is mostly accurate, yet not entirely so.
Extensive research will be needed of course, along with supporting DNA evidence (perhaps a sample from a strand of your hair). But I'm confident I can turn an entire field of study on its head by proving the soundness of my new, rival theory. It is as follows: Conventional thinking regarding human evolution is correct with respect to the vast majority of our species. However, a small number of humans do exist that are separate and genetically distinct. They share common ancestry, not with apes, but with Dracunculus medinensis.
While it's terribly premature of me to say so, I can feel it in my veins: This revolutionary theory has "holiday in Stockholm", "gold medal" and "SEK 8,000,000" written all over it.]
42. *** FORUM GUARDIAN ALERT *** Who do you think you are kidding ? These aren't genuine questions !!!! They are way more like fiction and fantasy and I'm sure you made them up !!!! The staff at Banksy.info is not taking any sides on this particular issue at this time until all the facts are known - but we do frown upon respected forum members being ridiculed. How would you like it if we did that to you ? I am wound up today. Do you think you are funny busting my chops ? I know what's funny, and this is not funny !! I'm open minded - I don't mind a bit of "joking" or whatever - I've got a sense of humour. Many well respected members have vouched for me. But you crossed the line - plain disrespectful. It is not cool and it is happening more and more. There are tons of great people on here and you are hating on us. That just seems a bit pathetic to me and I didn't want to bit my tongue any longer. You have mental problems !!!! I don't mean that in a negative way against mental people - I am PC and I support mental people 24/7, seven days a week, 360ยฐ. But you aren't right in the head - I mean WTF dude !!!!!! This is bullying & harassment. Do you not realize it's against the law ?! My role is to not have a specific biased opinion - but rather independently enforce the rules set forth by Pro Boards without personal prejudice. I will edit the thread to remove any profanities and what could be perceived as threats. It easier to be proactive PC than deal with the PM's that always eventually follow. Did I ever mention I sent out almost a hundred FREE signed STIK "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show ? And how many members thanked me ? Almost no one. I remember someone on here busting my chops because I asked for postage. I am not looking for appreciation, I am just pointing out that I wasn't thanked enough. Let me be perfectly clear - all FG"s are NON paid volunteers - we do not get paid for our services. We do it because we love this scene and want to make sure our site remains relevant and a fun, interesting & safe place to visit. After I finish promoting my commercial gallery here, I will be sending a PM to the other FG"s on this particular issue. I don't have inconclusive proof yet but I am almost 110% positive all these questions aren't genuine !!!!
What we have is an unfortunate misunderstanding. Please rest assured that none of the questions I've posted are any less genuine than yours.
43. I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
First, I'm not looking for a ransom. Second, I don't have your daughter. Third, this is only a game. If you're upset about the sound volume being too low on some of the competition videos, then I sincerely apologise.
44. Last month, my partner and I watched the 2003 docudrama, Touching the Void. In case you don't know, it's about the 1985 story of two British mountaineers during a climb in the Peruvian Andes, their situation becoming increasingly dire: extreme cold, crazy stormy weather conditions, they've run out of gas for fire, dehydration, exhaustion, one of them badly breaks his leg, you name it... Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. If you think losing out on a print release after a few hours of pressing F5 is excruciating, you should watch this film.
Anyway, the two climbers are attached together by a long rope, and there's a moment where the first inadvertently lowers the second one with the broken leg off a very high cliff. That one is hanging like a deadweight, unable to climb back up because his hands are also frostbitten, while the first doesn't have the strength to pull him up. They can't see each other, nor can they even hear each other in the blizzard.
After about an hour in this limbo, the first climber starts to lose his secure position due to the powdery snow. He's being pulled down by the weight of the second at the other end of the rope. So the first climber has to decide whether to (a) cut the rope to save his own life or (b) risk being pulled down into the void, with both climbers then almost certainly falling to their deaths.
When the film was over, my partner asked me what I'd do if we were in that scenario and she were the one hanging over the cliff. I said I'd have to cut the rope. Because, clearly, it's better for one of us to survive than for both of us to die. This rational and honest response didn't go down well, and my partner hasn't spoken to me since. Can you help?
No, sorry. Good luck to you, but that is beyond the remit of the game. I don't even have time to deal with my own problems.
45. [Consolidation of multiple questions received:] Could you change the time at which you post the sets of three questions? I live in [Los Angeles / New York / London / Paris / Moscow / Singapore / Melbourne]. That means the questions are posted when I'm usually [stuck in rush hour traffic / at the office / in class / at an art show / at the pub / eating dinner / in the loo / walking the dog / spending quality time with family / asleep].
No, sorry. I understand the timing may be awkward or disruptive for you. But anyone wishing to participate in the game needs to work around my hours, not vice versa. When it comes to the times at which the questions are posted, my priority will be consistency. I'm fond of patterns.
46. It would of been preferable to vary the competitions. Their current format of video-related questions is too restricted. All the videos are in English, my third language, which affects (a lot) my ability to compete. It's not a level playing field because English native speakers have the advantage. They're more likely to be first to answer the questions correctly. Could you diversify the game a bit more?
No, sorry. Your predicament is unfortunate. I do empathise.
While it may not reduce the grievance you feel, I will say that your written English is commendable. In one paragraph, you sidestepped about half a dozen common spelling and grammar mistakes. The only errors I spotted were the references to "would of" (instead of "would have") and "English native speakers" (instead of "native English speakers" or "native speakers of English").
Moreover, please note that many other people will also be at some disadvantage when playing the game. They include, for example, anyone who:
(i) has hand osteoarthritis or is simply a slow writer; (ii) has attention-deficit / hyperactivity disorder; (iii) can hear but nevertheless has trouble listening; (iv) has difficulty with information retention; (v) lacks "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills"; (vi) is an infrequent visitor to this forum; (vii) happens to have a busy schedule with little spare time for watching videos; or (viii) is based in Asia Pacific, where the time-zone differences with GMT may be very inconvenient.
47. Ha ha! I see the winner will be announced on April 1st โ April Fool's Day. All of this is a wind-up, isn't it? I bet there's no prize and the lottery "winner" will actually end up being the big loser. Am I right?
Good for you for spotting that date. The caveat I'd make here is to be wary of looking for significance in places where none may exist. Being highly observant and very suspicious probably serves you well in life. But this can just as easily be a hindrance, the source of paranoia and a conspiracy-theory mindset.
48. Can you tell us what the prize is? It would allow members to make an informed decision about whether it's worth their while to play. This would be consistent with what seems to be a recurring objective in many of your posts: Encouraging people to inform themselves, think critically, hold considered opinions, and make rational decisions.
Deftly crafted. And in response โ No, sorry. Disclosing the prize would undermine one of the aims of the game. As your parents and teachers will have drummed into your head years ago, "It's not the winning, it's the taking part that counts."
So I'm afraid you'll have to go in blind. If you really do need to make a cost / benefit analysis, it would be safest to work on the assumption that the benefit of playing to you, at least in financial terms, might be zero.
I do understand why some are drawn to the idea of a prize. That's why it exists to begin with โ it serves as a carrot to encourage a broader participation in the game. But the prize is also a red herring. To focus on it is to miss the point.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by ilmambo on Mar 1, 2017 19:32:25 GMT 1, any other FAQs? this is reading material for a whole week on the loo (I might be a slow reader). also I should have probably PM'd this.
any other FAQs? this is reading material for a whole week on the loo (I might be a slow reader). also I should have probably PM'd this.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Dr Plip on Mar 1, 2017 19:35:33 GMT 1, ......wow
......wow
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Fะฏ on Mar 1, 2017 19:36:21 GMT 1, Met - someones having you on with the jboy thing
Met - someones having you on with the jboy thing
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THE MET LOTTERY, by Dr Plip on Mar 1, 2017 19:37:14 GMT 1, Why do I get the feeling we're being schooled.
Why do I get the feeling we're being schooled.
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