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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:39:24 GMT 1, The large are all individually hand finished also with blobs of ink running...here and there..and scratches etc...another level if I'm honest...(yes i have both ) 
The large are all individually hand finished also with blobs of ink running...here and there..and scratches etc...another level if I'm honest...(yes i have both ) |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by docean on May 24, 2017 5:34:14 GMT 1, Just hype. Just forum members trying to make money, hyping up prints saying they're worth ยฃ20k easy when a frigging canvas three times the size is only ยฃ30k with fees. That would be a cool story if only it were true. I know of several that were purchased off the secondary and it's only been out a few months. No hype. No conjecture. Just plain facts.
LOL ยฃ30k for a Harland canvas. Do you know his market at all? You would be lucky to get a 1/1 on paper for that price.
Canvases are usually $85k+ and that's if you can find a desirable one. Not many get sold, people hang on to them.
Just hype. Just forum members trying to make money, hyping up prints saying they're worth ยฃ20k easy when a frigging canvas three times the size is only ยฃ30k with fees. That would be a cool story if only it were true. I know of several that were purchased off the secondary and it's only been out a few months. No hype. No conjecture. Just plain facts. LOL ยฃ30k for a Harland canvas. Do you know his market at all? You would be lucky to get a 1/1 on paper for that price. Canvases are usually $85k+ and that's if you can find a desirable one. Not many get sold, people hang on to them. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by docean on May 24, 2017 5:53:19 GMT 1,
Weaker image, though I'm still surprised. I'm not even a huge fan of it and I would've paid more.
Weaker image, though I'm still surprised. I'm not even a huge fan of it and I would've paid more. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by andyroo0312 on May 24, 2017 10:09:03 GMT 1, this original sold for 7000 in USA last week and peoplkes asking for ยฃ20k for a print... The Indefeatable Secretary (2011) Drawing-Watercolor , Watercolour , 58 cm x 44 cm Estimate: ยฃ 3,084 - ยฃ 4,626 Hammer price: ? 
this original sold for 7000 in USA last week and peoplkes asking for ยฃ20k for a print... The Indefeatable Secretary (2011) Drawing-Watercolor , Watercolour , 58 cm x 44 cm Estimate: ยฃ 3,084 - ยฃ 4,626 Hammer price: ? What original and what are you saying? ( in english please but i am good in French, Russian and Icelandic if they are easier) |
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Weaker image, though I'm still surprised. I'm not even a huge fan of it and I would've paid more. MEGALULZ DO U EVN NO HIS MARKET? |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by docean on May 24, 2017 12:47:03 GMT 1, Weaker image, though I'm still surprised. I'm not even a huge fan of it and I would've paid more. MEGALULZ DO U EVN NO HIS MARKET?
(If you even meant to) you referenced an outlier, not the norm. Don't pretend you were even in the same ballpark
Weaker image, though I'm still surprised. I'm not even a huge fan of it and I would've paid more. MEGALULZ DO U EVN NO HIS MARKET? (If you even meant to) you referenced an outlier, not the norm. Don't pretend you were even in the same ballpark |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by andyroo0312 on May 24, 2017 13:15:02 GMT 1, When is this hype fest of a thread going to be dumped in the Harland Miller section where it belongs? It shouldn't have been in the for sale section from the start!
When is this hype fest of a thread going to be dumped in the Harland Miller section where it belongs? It shouldn't have been in the for sale section from the start! It seems someone is having a bad day..? I always find a massage and a spliff helps. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by docean on May 24, 2017 13:48:01 GMT 1,
2 pelicans and arguably the least wall friendly penguin are your support? Weak case.
2 pelicans and arguably the least wall friendly penguin are your support? Weak case. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by stelio on May 24, 2017 13:50:26 GMT 1, Most of those listing are two years old. If you have been following along Harlands hit a little of a rise last 6-9months. Not as big as invader but still a rise. When these auctions happened many of the prints were still available at source, now you can barely find any at original source. More people are getting into Harland's work and for good reason.
Most of those listing are two years old. If you have been following along Harlands hit a little of a rise last 6-9months. Not as big as invader but still a rise. When these auctions happened many of the prints were still available at source, now you can barely find any at original source. More people are getting into Harland's work and for good reason.
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by 63schoefflin on May 24, 2017 13:52:03 GMT 1, Yeah, I had several galleries send me pricing info on a few prints.... by the time I got back to them less than a week later, they had all sold and I was left SOL.
Yeah, I had several galleries send me pricing info on a few prints.... by the time I got back to them less than a week later, they had all sold and I was left SOL.
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by medichead on May 24, 2017 13:54:50 GMT 1, Not to contribute to the hypetrain, but his popular prints have gone up more than 50% in less than 6 months.
Not to contribute to the hypetrain, but his popular prints have gone up more than 50% in less than 6 months.
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by Poster Bob on May 24, 2017 13:58:34 GMT 1, Yet that massive canvas still went for just ยฃ32k with fees. Keep the hype up boys. Don't get stuck with Chalks prints.
Yet that massive canvas still went for just ยฃ32k with fees. Keep the hype up boys. Don't get stuck with Chalks prints.
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by docean on May 24, 2017 14:12:02 GMT 1, ^^ same type of guy who moaned about Banksy's at $2k
^^ same type of guy who moaned about Banksy's at $2k
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by andyroo0312 on May 24, 2017 14:58:31 GMT 1, At least Bob is very constant with his dribble. Harland has some very hip and happening friends and i bet just those alone could keep him in artist luxury for many years to come. His art is in major collections all over the world, coveted by the rich and shameless.s**t even Ed Sherran even collects him. I think the next couple of year will be very good for Mr Miller, Hype or not...
At least Bob is very constant with his dribble. Harland has some very hip and happening friends and i bet just those alone could keep him in artist luxury for many years to come. His art is in major collections all over the world, coveted by the rich and shameless.s**t even Ed Sherran even collects him. I think the next couple of year will be very good for Mr Miller, Hype or not... |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by greedy21 on May 24, 2017 15:07:15 GMT 1, I should anti-hype this print as I don't own it and would like to. IMHO this is his best work to date.
I should anti-hype this print as I don't own it and would like to. IMHO this is his best work to date.
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by mash on May 24, 2017 15:07:57 GMT 1, Yet that massive canvas still went for just ยฃ32k with fees. Keep the hype up boys. Don't get stuck with Chalks prints.
Its not zero sum though is it?
There are a very limited supply of prints and xx number of people who can afford a print at 8-10k vs a much smaller amount of people who can afford a canvas. Coupled with the relative publicity of the prints vs, I imagine a lot of people not knowing or looking at the auctions.
This means there are proportionately far greater number of interested parties who have the knowledge and means to pay for a 10k print vs a much smaller number who would could afford the canvas even if they were aware.
In my case I can justify 8-10k on a print I really want but im not in the 35k plus fees for a single piece of art bracket, i imagine many others on here are the same.
It doesnt mean the prices are hype, doesn't mean they aren't either. It just means that because a sold for x doesnt follow that b should sell for y.
In my industry the same convention applies. More people can afford cheaper assets vs expensive =relatively more attractive deals on higher priced superior asset.
Cheaper assets sell more quantity than expensive ones.
Yet that massive canvas still went for just ยฃ32k with fees. Keep the hype up boys. Don't get stuck with Chalks prints. Its not zero sum though is it? There are a very limited supply of prints and xx number of people who can afford a print at 8-10k vs a much smaller amount of people who can afford a canvas. Coupled with the relative publicity of the prints vs, I imagine a lot of people not knowing or looking at the auctions. This means there are proportionately far greater number of interested parties who have the knowledge and means to pay for a 10k print vs a much smaller number who would could afford the canvas even if they were aware. In my case I can justify 8-10k on a print I really want but im not in the 35k plus fees for a single piece of art bracket, i imagine many others on here are the same. It doesnt mean the prices are hype, doesn't mean they aren't either. It just means that because a sold for x doesnt follow that b should sell for y. In my industry the same convention applies. More people can afford cheaper assets vs expensive =relatively more attractive deals on higher priced superior asset. Cheaper assets sell more quantity than expensive ones. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by Poster Bob on May 24, 2017 15:13:16 GMT 1, Yet that massive canvas still went for just ยฃ32k with fees. Keep the hype up boys. Don't get stuck with Chalks prints. Its not zero sum though is it? There are a very limited supply of prints and xx number of people who can afford a print at 8-10k vs a much smaller amount of people who can afford a canvas. Coupled with the relative publicity of the prints vs, I imagine a lot of people not knowing or looking at the auctions. This means there are proportionately far greater number of interested parties who have the knowledge and means to pay for a 10k print vs a much smaller number who would could afford the canvas even if they were aware. In my case I can justify 8-10k on a print I really want but im not in the 35k plus fees for a single piece of art bracket, i imagine many others on here are the same. It doesnt mean the prices are hype, doesn't mean they aren't either. It just means that because a sold for x doesnt follow that b should sell for y. In my industry the same convention applies. More people can afford cheaper assets vs expensive =relatively more attractive deals on higher priced superior asset. Cheaper assets sell more quantity than expensive ones.
I examine art markets in terms of big players, not prints for peasants.
Yet that massive canvas still went for just ยฃ32k with fees. Keep the hype up boys. Don't get stuck with Chalks prints. Its not zero sum though is it? There are a very limited supply of prints and xx number of people who can afford a print at 8-10k vs a much smaller amount of people who can afford a canvas. Coupled with the relative publicity of the prints vs, I imagine a lot of people not knowing or looking at the auctions. This means there are proportionately far greater number of interested parties who have the knowledge and means to pay for a 10k print vs a much smaller number who would could afford the canvas even if they were aware. In my case I can justify 8-10k on a print I really want but im not in the 35k plus fees for a single piece of art bracket, i imagine many others on here are the same. It doesnt mean the prices are hype, doesn't mean they aren't either. It just means that because a sold for x doesnt follow that b should sell for y. In my industry the same convention applies. More people can afford cheaper assets vs expensive =relatively more attractive deals on higher priced superior asset. Cheaper assets sell more quantity than expensive ones. I examine art markets in terms of big players, not prints for peasants. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by mash on May 24, 2017 15:14:29 GMT 1, Its not zero sum though is it? There are a very limited supply of prints and xx number of people who can afford a print at 8-10k vs a much smaller amount of people who can afford a canvas. Coupled with the relative publicity of the prints vs, I imagine a lot of people not knowing or looking at the auctions. This means there are proportionately far greater number of interested parties who have the knowledge and means to pay for a 10k print vs a much smaller number who would could afford the canvas even if they were aware. In my case I can justify 8-10k on a print I really want but im not in the 35k plus fees for a single piece of art bracket, i imagine many others on here are the same. It doesnt mean the prices are hype, doesn't mean they aren't either. It just means that because a sold for x doesnt follow that b should sell for y. In my industry the same convention applies. More people can afford cheaper assets vs expensive =relatively more attractive deals on higher priced superior asset. Cheaper assets sell more quantity than expensive ones. I examine art markets in terms of big players, not prints for peasants.
Its not zero sum though is it? There are a very limited supply of prints and xx number of people who can afford a print at 8-10k vs a much smaller amount of people who can afford a canvas. Coupled with the relative publicity of the prints vs, I imagine a lot of people not knowing or looking at the auctions. This means there are proportionately far greater number of interested parties who have the knowledge and means to pay for a 10k print vs a much smaller number who would could afford the canvas even if they were aware. In my case I can justify 8-10k on a print I really want but im not in the 35k plus fees for a single piece of art bracket, i imagine many others on here are the same. It doesnt mean the prices are hype, doesn't mean they aren't either. It just means that because a sold for x doesnt follow that b should sell for y. In my industry the same convention applies. More people can afford cheaper assets vs expensive =relatively more attractive deals on higher priced superior asset. Cheaper assets sell more quantity than expensive ones. I examine art markets in terms of big players, not prints for peasants. You troll art boards to make your life seem better. Fixed that for you sweetheart. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by mawk on May 25, 2017 19:27:05 GMT 1, this original sold for 7000 in USA last week and peoplkes asking for ยฃ20k for a print... The Indefeatable Secretary (2011) Drawing-Watercolor , Watercolour , 58 cm x 44 cm Estimate: ยฃ 3,084 - ยฃ 4,626 Hammer price: ?
www.artnet.com/artists/harland-miller/the-indefatigable-secretary-AAJQEa7kKNrzWFjwcjHzBw2?
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by WOOF on May 25, 2017 19:45:56 GMT 1, I examine art markets in terms of big players, not prints for peasants. You troll art boards to make your life seem better. Fixed that for you sweetheart.
I don't always see eye to eye with pbob, but on this one, I'm inclined to agree. Saying prints are for peasants makes him sound like an asshole, but judging art markets by the big money is the smart move.
I examine art markets in terms of big players, not prints for peasants. You troll art boards to make your life seem better. Fixed that for you sweetheart. I don't always see eye to eye with pbob, but on this one, I'm inclined to agree. Saying prints are for peasants makes him sound like an asshole, but judging art markets by the big money is the smart move. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by jluhiex on May 25, 2017 19:57:27 GMT 1, 1. Ink on paer
2. 58.4 x 45.1cm
3. Weak image
With Miller you either like the whole book thing or you don't, the title speaks to you or it doesn't. I will admit some of his prints are getting ridiculously high but the same can be said for Invader, Pejac, Banksy etc. An artist's true market test is his oil/acrylic on canvas. With that being said, Miller prints from 2 years ago asking 20k usd is either genius or insanity.
1. Ink on paer 2. 58.4 x 45.1cm 3. Weak image With Miller you either like the whole book thing or you don't, the title speaks to you or it doesn't. I will admit some of his prints are getting ridiculously high but the same can be said for Invader, Pejac, Banksy etc. An artist's true market test is his oil/acrylic on canvas. With that being said, Miller prints from 2 years ago asking 20k usd is either genius or insanity. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by Deleted on May 25, 2017 20:21:00 GMT 1, At least Bob is very constant with his dribble. Harland has some very hip and happening friends and i bet just those alone could keep him in artist luxury for many years to come. His art is in major collections all over the world, coveted by the rich and shameless.s**t even Ed Sherran even collects him. I think the next couple of year will be very good for Mr Miller, Hype or not...
I'm a huge fan of HM and totally agree that he will continue to have a market.
I also do think that there will be a rebalance at some point soon. When prints begin to eclipse original works corrections typically follow suit wether by price increases or decreases.
At least Bob is very constant with his dribble. Harland has some very hip and happening friends and i bet just those alone could keep him in artist luxury for many years to come. His art is in major collections all over the world, coveted by the rich and shameless.s**t even Ed Sherran even collects him. I think the next couple of year will be very good for Mr Miller, Hype or not... I'm a huge fan of HM and totally agree that he will continue to have a market. I also do think that there will be a rebalance at some point soon. When prints begin to eclipse original works corrections typically follow suit wether by price increases or decreases. |
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Wasn't this still for sale at source last month for like $5k? Pretty sure I toyed with the idea of buying one from Ingleby. Current bid is for sure already over the last tiered price sold. |
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by Artfan13 on May 25, 2017 22:17:24 GMT 1, The final tier was ยฃ5k + vat on this piece.
The final tier was ยฃ5k + vat on this piece.
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by DrWhite on May 26, 2017 18:22:33 GMT 1,
These have already changed hands for ยฃ10k+
These have already changed hands for ยฃ10k+
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Harland Miller โข Happiness The Case Against, by mawk on May 26, 2017 19:09:24 GMT 1, I believe that Ingleby prices included VAT, so final tier price was ยฃ5,200 or ยฃ5,400 inc VAT, and I believe Dare sold one recently. The asking price was ยฃ12k to ยฃ13k so I presume went for around that price. I bought one from Ingleby 9 months ago and they told me it had been a " steady seller " since it had first gone on sale. Surprised it took over 2 years to sell out in the first place for one of his signature titles.
I believe that Ingleby prices included VAT, so final tier price was ยฃ5,200 or ยฃ5,400 inc VAT, and I believe Dare sold one recently. The asking price was ยฃ12k to ยฃ13k so I presume went for around that price. I bought one from Ingleby 9 months ago and they told me it had been a " steady seller " since it had first gone on sale. Surprised it took over 2 years to sell out in the first place for one of his signature titles.
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