dwight
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by dwight on Mar 17, 2017 22:33:30 GMT 1, I know that the site suggests this hotel may stay open all year, but I speculate that June 30 will be the end. I think that there are a finite number of people who can go and have this experience, and I'm guessing that most have already booked. I expect there will be more cancellations than new bookings going forward. Not because it won't be a truly unique experience but because of the time, money, and advance planning required. I believe that Banksy would rather close it while it is in high demand than close it as bookings decline. Anyone else agree? (Or disagree?)
I know that the site suggests this hotel may stay open all year, but I speculate that June 30 will be the end. I think that there are a finite number of people who can go and have this experience, and I'm guessing that most have already booked. I expect there will be more cancellations than new bookings going forward. Not because it won't be a truly unique experience but because of the time, money, and advance planning required. I believe that Banksy would rather close it while it is in high demand than close it as bookings decline. Anyone else agree? (Or disagree?)
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 2:39:11 GMT 1, I know that the site suggests this hotel may stay open all year, but I speculate that June 30 will be the end. I think that there are a finite number of people who can go and have this experience, and I'm guessing that most have already booked. I expect there will be more cancellations than new bookings going forward. Not because it won't be a truly unique experience but because of the time, money, and advance planning required. I believe that Banksy would rather close it while it is in high demand than close it as bookings decline. Anyone else agree? (Or disagree?)
I don't see how it would make sense to close it really.
The amount of time and money that went into this. Surely the operational costs can't be that demanding...
Would be a shame if it's just a pop up shop and then disappears. Kind of losing the whole purpose and power.
I know that the site suggests this hotel may stay open all year, but I speculate that June 30 will be the end. I think that there are a finite number of people who can go and have this experience, and I'm guessing that most have already booked. I expect there will be more cancellations than new bookings going forward. Not because it won't be a truly unique experience but because of the time, money, and advance planning required. I believe that Banksy would rather close it while it is in high demand than close it as bookings decline. Anyone else agree? (Or disagree?) I don't see how it would make sense to close it really. The amount of time and money that went into this. Surely the operational costs can't be that demanding... Would be a shame if it's just a pop up shop and then disappears. Kind of losing the whole purpose and power.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Coach on Mar 18, 2017 2:41:32 GMT 1, I know that the site suggests this hotel may stay open all year, but I speculate that June 30 will be the end. I think that there are a finite number of people who can go and have this experience, and I'm guessing that most have already booked. I expect there will be more cancellations than new bookings going forward. Not because it won't be a truly unique experience but because of the time, money, and advance planning required. I believe that Banksy would rather close it while it is in high demand than close it as bookings decline. Anyone else agree? (Or disagree?) I don't see how it would make sense to close it really. The amount of time and money that went into this. Surely the operational costs can't be that demanding... Would be a shame if it's just a pop up shop and then disappears. Kind of losing the whole purpose and power.
Jesus! Maybe look at a glass half full for a change?!
I know that the site suggests this hotel may stay open all year, but I speculate that June 30 will be the end. I think that there are a finite number of people who can go and have this experience, and I'm guessing that most have already booked. I expect there will be more cancellations than new bookings going forward. Not because it won't be a truly unique experience but because of the time, money, and advance planning required. I believe that Banksy would rather close it while it is in high demand than close it as bookings decline. Anyone else agree? (Or disagree?) I don't see how it would make sense to close it really. The amount of time and money that went into this. Surely the operational costs can't be that demanding... Would be a shame if it's just a pop up shop and then disappears. Kind of losing the whole purpose and power. Jesus! Maybe look at a glass half full for a change?!
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snoozy
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by snoozy on Mar 18, 2017 3:15:35 GMT 1, Mid April 2 days in Banksy room, available soon...baby due, travel no can do..pm if interested, I will give the dates and cancel so a fellow member can have...will throw in the tour for free (x2) If no takers, will just cancel. gutted :-(
Mid April 2 days in Banksy room, available soon...baby due, travel no can do..pm if interested, I will give the dates and cancel so a fellow member can have...will throw in the tour for free (x2) If no takers, will just cancel. gutted :-(
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Black Apple Art
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Black Apple Art on Mar 18, 2017 3:17:03 GMT 1, I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called.
Bella Gladman
"latest evolution in a career of unsophisticated protest art, the tipping point where he jumped the shark from aggressive mediocrity to ludicrous pompousness."
"Banksy's GCSE-level protest art was banal but tolerable"
"If he is trying to bring awareness to the conflict through this art, he has failed spectacularly"
"At worst it's an arrogant Brit drunk on the heady potion of faux-cool, thinking his hot takes on politics eg. "war bad, peace good" might alleviate the world's most intractable conflict."
"His entire career has been made on his hack tactic of mashing together, the images he produces ultimately meaningless through the lack of ideological weight"
I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman "latest evolution in a career of unsophisticated protest art, the tipping point where he jumped the shark from aggressive mediocrity to ludicrous pompousness." "Banksy's GCSE-level protest art was banal but tolerable" "If he is trying to bring awareness to the conflict through this art, he has failed spectacularly" "At worst it's an arrogant Brit drunk on the heady potion of faux-cool, thinking his hot takes on politics eg. "war bad, peace good" might alleviate the world's most intractable conflict." "His entire career has been made on his hack tactic of mashing together, the images he produces ultimately meaningless through the lack of ideological weight"
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 18, 2017 4:28:41 GMT 1, I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman "latest evolution in a career of unsophisticated protest art, the tipping point where he jumped the shark from aggressive mediocrity to ludicrous pompousness." "Banksy's GCSE-level protest art was banal but tolerable" "If he is trying to bring awareness to the conflict through this art, he has failed spectacularly" "At worst it's an arrogant Brit drunk on the heady potion of faux-cool, thinking his hot takes on politics eg. "war bad, peace good" might alleviate the world's most intractable conflict." "His entire career has been made on his hack tactic of mashing together, the images he produces ultimately meaningless through the lack of ideological weight"
Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off..
I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman "latest evolution in a career of unsophisticated protest art, the tipping point where he jumped the shark from aggressive mediocrity to ludicrous pompousness." "Banksy's GCSE-level protest art was banal but tolerable" "If he is trying to bring awareness to the conflict through this art, he has failed spectacularly" "At worst it's an arrogant Brit drunk on the heady potion of faux-cool, thinking his hot takes on politics eg. "war bad, peace good" might alleviate the world's most intractable conflict." "His entire career has been made on his hack tactic of mashing together, the images he produces ultimately meaningless through the lack of ideological weight" Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off..
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Poly Mindset
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Poly Mindset on Mar 18, 2017 5:14:48 GMT 1, I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman "latest evolution in a career of unsophisticated protest art, the tipping point where he jumped the shark from aggressive mediocrity to ludicrous pompousness." "Banksy's GCSE-level protest art was banal but tolerable" "If he is trying to bring awareness to the conflict through this art, he has failed spectacularly" "At worst it's an arrogant Brit drunk on the heady potion of faux-cool, thinking his hot takes on politics eg. "war bad, peace good" might alleviate the world's most intractable conflict." "His entire career has been made on his hack tactic of mashing together, the images he produces ultimately meaningless through the lack of ideological weight" Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO.
I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman "latest evolution in a career of unsophisticated protest art, the tipping point where he jumped the shark from aggressive mediocrity to ludicrous pompousness." "Banksy's GCSE-level protest art was banal but tolerable" "If he is trying to bring awareness to the conflict through this art, he has failed spectacularly" "At worst it's an arrogant Brit drunk on the heady potion of faux-cool, thinking his hot takes on politics eg. "war bad, peace good" might alleviate the world's most intractable conflict." "His entire career has been made on his hack tactic of mashing together, the images he produces ultimately meaningless through the lack of ideological weight" Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by nex on Mar 18, 2017 7:48:16 GMT 1, Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO.
You probably need to check your definition of exploitation
Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. You probably need to check your definition of exploitation
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 9:17:26 GMT 1, Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO.
It's not a bad article and there's nothing wrong with critiquing Banksy on here. I actually also agree with much of what she writes. But I'll reserve judgement until I (hopefully) get to see it firsthand.
Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. It's not a bad article and there's nothing wrong with critiquing Banksy on here. I actually also agree with much of what she writes. But I'll reserve judgement until I (hopefully) get to see it firsthand.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 12:57:20 GMT 1, I don't see how it would make sense to close it really. The amount of time and money that went into this. Surely the operational costs can't be that demanding... Would be a shame if it's just a pop up shop and then disappears. Kind of losing the whole purpose and power. Jesus! Maybe look at a glass half full for a change?!
Yeah maybe. But if this is the case I'd call it quarter full. Haha
I don't see how it would make sense to close it really. The amount of time and money that went into this. Surely the operational costs can't be that demanding... Would be a shame if it's just a pop up shop and then disappears. Kind of losing the whole purpose and power. Jesus! Maybe look at a glass half full for a change?! Yeah maybe. But if this is the case I'd call it quarter full. Haha
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 13:01:19 GMT 1, I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. You probably need to check your definition of exploitation
Well it would help if we knew details of profit, expenses, time, etc.
If it closes in a month what does that say? Lots of unknowns.
I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. You probably need to check your definition of exploitation Well it would help if we knew details of profit, expenses, time, etc. If it closes in a month what does that say? Lots of unknowns.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 13:16:08 GMT 1, I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman
This is pretty gross and offensive.
I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman This is pretty gross and offensive.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 13:17:01 GMT 1, I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman This statement is pretty gross and offensive.
I've never seen such an axe to grind towards Banksy. I'm thinking B definitely ran through Bella one drunken evening a while back and never called. Bella Gladman This statement is pretty gross and offensive.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Lroy on Mar 18, 2017 14:09:45 GMT 1, This statement is pretty gross and offensive.
Yes I agree , full of hate since the first word. And so contemptuous !! As a sniper she wanted to shoot Banksy since the beginning, even before the beginning ( maybe she moaned about Banksy years ago ) . What is upset me, is the " hipster art critic bourgeoisie pose "', so sure of her, as she knows that she is the strongest of all - she even put a link of the Gardian ). Oh yeah ! She dared to attack Banksy , clap clap clap 👏🏼 ! What a strong and so clever woman. And his binary arguments Palestine/Israel , Banksy/banksy, poor/rich etc are silly and childish. As my colleague ( who have been in Israel army fir a while ) who likes JR but not Banksy because " all the left sides people are for Palestine and Hate Israël ! " Banksy is for peace, and he tried with courage to tell his point of view on its website - and in the Wall too. Telling that he has been there as a crusader because Palestine is poor and in war, is a wrong and childish argument also !
So JR who have been there too and also in " poor " African countries is a colonialist too ?! These countries, these people need that we talk - or that we see their landscape and human conditions - about them, they are proud of reconnaissance , and art is the best langage ! Banksy never pretended to be the Messiah that will make peace between Palestine and Israel, he put his hotel there when others put miradors, control towers or satellite, at the difference that his installation ( sic ), I mean this hotel is peaceful, provocative but ludicrous, with a confortable view on this inhuman wall, nobody observes nobody , they just live together. Only the wall is guilty and has no innocence. High cements Walls instead of an ordinary frontier are inacceptable and insane. They kill all dialogs. Air is the same for all, after wall.
This statement is pretty gross and offensive. Yes I agree , full of hate since the first word. And so contemptuous !! As a sniper she wanted to shoot Banksy since the beginning, even before the beginning ( maybe she moaned about Banksy years ago ) . What is upset me, is the " hipster art critic bourgeoisie pose "', so sure of her, as she knows that she is the strongest of all - she even put a link of the Gardian ). Oh yeah ! She dared to attack Banksy , clap clap clap 👏🏼 ! What a strong and so clever woman. And his binary arguments Palestine/Israel , Banksy/banksy, poor/rich etc are silly and childish. As my colleague ( who have been in Israel army fir a while ) who likes JR but not Banksy because " all the left sides people are for Palestine and Hate Israël ! " Banksy is for peace, and he tried with courage to tell his point of view on its website - and in the Wall too. Telling that he has been there as a crusader because Palestine is poor and in war, is a wrong and childish argument also ! So JR who have been there too and also in " poor " African countries is a colonialist too ?! These countries, these people need that we talk - or that we see their landscape and human conditions - about them, they are proud of reconnaissance , and art is the best langage ! Banksy never pretended to be the Messiah that will make peace between Palestine and Israel, he put his hotel there when others put miradors, control towers or satellite, at the difference that his installation ( sic ), I mean this hotel is peaceful, provocative but ludicrous, with a confortable view on this inhuman wall, nobody observes nobody , they just live together. Only the wall is guilty and has no innocence. High cements Walls instead of an ordinary frontier are inacceptable and insane. They kill all dialogs. Air is the same for all, after wall.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 14:14:36 GMT 1, I think she's a fashion writer. thequietus.com/articles/21993-banksy-walled-off-hotel-israel-palestine
Never the less it's a good article. She makes some fair point and my view is that she misses a fair few points too. There is a shortage of art critics and the best ones are the ones who make us challenge them and re look at art ourselves.
Banksy makes eye candy protest art. It appeals to many people because it's simple, easy on the eye. It works very well in getting a visual message across. He could have kitted the hotel out with Bryan Haw style protest banners etc but that would have put off too many of the type of tourists that would pay to visit Bethlehem whose money would go to the local people.
Regardless of her views etc. Banksy did the right thing and whilst local hotels have been ignored by the media the Walled Off Hotel got the media spotlight back onto the Israeli wall cutting off the Palestinians from the rest of the world. Plus Bethlehem having many Christians living there. What right do Israeli Jews have to treat Christians in this way? Should be the question that all these zionist supporters in USA etc who consider themselves good old Americian Christians be demanding of their senators.
Israeli Jews is a bit of a generalisation as it is not the Jews in Israel who are opressing Palestinians but the Jewish state which Israel calls itself.
The best point made in the article is not about Banksy but about the type of people who will fly into the region only interested in looking at Banksy art and seing what bits o Banksy souvenirs they can grab and fly back home and who see the jaunt as another visit to a Banksy exhibition so that they can banksy wank all the way home and impress their Banksy nista friends with their tales of sleeping in the Banksy bed with their Banksy blow up doll.
Who avoided any contact with local people and getting to know the locals and talking with them and making sure they spend their money in other local shops and hotels restaurants too.
If the Banksy hotel is a gateway into more direct contact with Palestinians in that area is what the hotel is trying to achieve. Banksy has done his part and the rest is down to people who decide to visit the hotel.
The hotel has given some local people jobs and I cannot see Banksy closing it after six months as then it would be viewed as a gimmick, just some sort of rich persons pop up art thing where locals and their plight were used for some protest art. That would backfire big time on Banksy and i'm sure the hotel is there to stay for as long as the wall is there.
The hotel manager is an artist and also gives talks about the situation in Bethlehem. Visit for the eye candy protest art and visit to make friends with the locals.
It's linked to this article which is far more informative.
"Buttu said that the most worrying aspect of what she referred to as “oppression tourism”"
www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=775854
I think she's a fashion writer. thequietus.com/articles/21993-banksy-walled-off-hotel-israel-palestineNever the less it's a good article. She makes some fair point and my view is that she misses a fair few points too. There is a shortage of art critics and the best ones are the ones who make us challenge them and re look at art ourselves. Banksy makes eye candy protest art. It appeals to many people because it's simple, easy on the eye. It works very well in getting a visual message across. He could have kitted the hotel out with Bryan Haw style protest banners etc but that would have put off too many of the type of tourists that would pay to visit Bethlehem whose money would go to the local people. Regardless of her views etc. Banksy did the right thing and whilst local hotels have been ignored by the media the Walled Off Hotel got the media spotlight back onto the Israeli wall cutting off the Palestinians from the rest of the world. Plus Bethlehem having many Christians living there. What right do Israeli Jews have to treat Christians in this way? Should be the question that all these zionist supporters in USA etc who consider themselves good old Americian Christians be demanding of their senators. Israeli Jews is a bit of a generalisation as it is not the Jews in Israel who are opressing Palestinians but the Jewish state which Israel calls itself. The best point made in the article is not about Banksy but about the type of people who will fly into the region only interested in looking at Banksy art and seing what bits o Banksy souvenirs they can grab and fly back home and who see the jaunt as another visit to a Banksy exhibition so that they can banksy wank all the way home and impress their Banksy nista friends with their tales of sleeping in the Banksy bed with their Banksy blow up doll. Who avoided any contact with local people and getting to know the locals and talking with them and making sure they spend their money in other local shops and hotels restaurants too. If the Banksy hotel is a gateway into more direct contact with Palestinians in that area is what the hotel is trying to achieve. Banksy has done his part and the rest is down to people who decide to visit the hotel. The hotel has given some local people jobs and I cannot see Banksy closing it after six months as then it would be viewed as a gimmick, just some sort of rich persons pop up art thing where locals and their plight were used for some protest art. That would backfire big time on Banksy and i'm sure the hotel is there to stay for as long as the wall is there. The hotel manager is an artist and also gives talks about the situation in Bethlehem. Visit for the eye candy protest art and visit to make friends with the locals. It's linked to this article which is far more informative. "Buttu said that the most worrying aspect of what she referred to as “oppression tourism”"
www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=775854
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by mutatis on Mar 18, 2017 14:27:53 GMT 1, Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. It might be the Banksy Forum but I'd like to think the fanboy thing can withstand a healthy reality check. I've read worse critiques of his work, and in more artistically credible outlets then "The Quietus", but to me ultimately that's all they are, critiques and it makes a change from hearing all the praise, lots of which I have agreed with. Rather than dismiss it out of hand, I like the fact that it has made me consider issues I might not have considered about him or worse still subconsciously suppressed.
I simply don't get the personal attacks on Bella Gladman for having an opinion.
Yeah she's had a right dig at him ??!! Probably queued up overnight for 'choose you weapon', missed out and got pissed off.. I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. It might be the Banksy Forum but I'd like to think the fanboy thing can withstand a healthy reality check. I've read worse critiques of his work, and in more artistically credible outlets then "The Quietus", but to me ultimately that's all they are, critiques and it makes a change from hearing all the praise, lots of which I have agreed with. Rather than dismiss it out of hand, I like the fact that it has made me consider issues I might not have considered about him or worse still subconsciously suppressed. I simply don't get the personal attacks on Bella Gladman for having an opinion.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by snoozy on Mar 18, 2017 16:07:26 GMT 1, April 23-24 in the Banksy room now available to book. Just cancelled. Hope someone can enjoy!
April 23-24 in the Banksy room now available to book. Just cancelled. Hope someone can enjoy!
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Poly Mindset on Mar 18, 2017 18:09:09 GMT 1, I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. You probably need to check your definition of exploitation Well, if it's a proper hotel then you probably have to pay for a room. If it's just a museum I'm sure you have to pay to get in. Even at Dismaland you had to pay to get in. Additionally, I heard some of the art was for sale. I'm sure he's going to have to recoop his cost somehow. So if a penny is made on the whole deal then yes I call it exploitation.
I'm probably going against the grain here but I think she actually makes some fairly valid points, which probably sounds sacrilegious being that this is the Banksy Forum. However, I empathize with the people of that region whose daily life is constantly affected by the violence and history of violence in that region and to have an outsider come in and trivialize the pain and suffering of the people or even just put it on display and exploit it does seem in poor taste IMHO. You probably need to check your definition of exploitation Well, if it's a proper hotel then you probably have to pay for a room. If it's just a museum I'm sure you have to pay to get in. Even at Dismaland you had to pay to get in. Additionally, I heard some of the art was for sale. I'm sure he's going to have to recoop his cost somehow. So if a penny is made on the whole deal then yes I call it exploitation.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Happy Shopper on Mar 18, 2017 18:14:13 GMT 1, You probably need to check your definition of exploitation Well, if it's a proper hotel then you probably have to pay for a room. If it's just a museum I'm sure you have to pay to get in. Even at Dismaland you had to pay to get in. Additionally, I heard some of the art was for sale. I'm sure he's going to have to recoop his cost somehow. So if a penny is made on the whole deal then yes I call it exploitation.
You're assuming the profit isn't going to charity or that the area may be helped just by the hotel being there. Is that the people who work on it get paid, so they can live and afford to do the next thing, so bad?
Charity workers get paid!
You probably need to check your definition of exploitation Well, if it's a proper hotel then you probably have to pay for a room. If it's just a museum I'm sure you have to pay to get in. Even at Dismaland you had to pay to get in. Additionally, I heard some of the art was for sale. I'm sure he's going to have to recoop his cost somehow. So if a penny is made on the whole deal then yes I call it exploitation. You're assuming the profit isn't going to charity or that the area may be helped just by the hotel being there. Is that the people who work on it get paid, so they can live and afford to do the next thing, so bad? Charity workers get paid!
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by ilmambo on Mar 18, 2017 18:29:39 GMT 1, "Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. " www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html
"Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 18:47:40 GMT 1, "Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html
The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich.
"Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by ilmambo on Mar 18, 2017 18:53:34 GMT 1, "Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich. He's done that before and will (probably?) do it again in the future. prints, multiples or original works, with or without the hotel. I can't see any problem with that? He's an artist, that's how artists make a living, selling artworks to people.
"Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich. He's done that before and will (probably?) do it again in the future. prints, multiples or original works, with or without the hotel. I can't see any problem with that? He's an artist, that's how artists make a living, selling artworks to people.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Pysgod on Mar 18, 2017 18:56:13 GMT 1, "Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich.
I really despair with you
"Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich.
I really despair with you
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 19:27:35 GMT 1, "Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich. LOL
"Are you just making a profit from other people's misery?
Don't worry, Banksy won't see a penny. The artist paid for the installation costs and has now handed it over as an independent local business. The aim is to break even and put any profits back into local projects. "www.walledoffhotel.com/questions.html The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich. LOL
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 19:35:16 GMT 1, The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich. He's done that before and will (probably?) do it again in the future. prints, multiples or original works, with or without the hotel. I can't see any problem with that? He's an artist, that's how artists make a living, selling artworks to people.
Is he an artist or social justice warrior first?
When his arts great everyone wants to talk about that and how great an artist he is. When his arts poor people get all upset if it's criticized and people want to ignore it. Especially if it has a 'nice' theme.
Can't have it both ways.
Oh and speaking about artists selling art to make a living. Don't give me that nonsense haha. That's garbage especially when many other artists get flack for their print prices. Yet it's okay for banksy to sell prints to the uber rich. Forget actual fans of his.
Banksy isn't selling 40$ prints to make ends meet and continue his passion on painting on walls.
Ironically it seems you are defending him for basically being everything he despised early on. An artist making a living. Now that's hilarious.
The question isn't the profits from running the hotel. Which if he just shuts it down on a month would be a shame. It would be if he releases some of his VIP prints to the uber rich. He's done that before and will (probably?) do it again in the future. prints, multiples or original works, with or without the hotel. I can't see any problem with that? He's an artist, that's how artists make a living, selling artworks to people. Is he an artist or social justice warrior first? When his arts great everyone wants to talk about that and how great an artist he is. When his arts poor people get all upset if it's criticized and people want to ignore it. Especially if it has a 'nice' theme. Can't have it both ways. Oh and speaking about artists selling art to make a living. Don't give me that nonsense haha. That's garbage especially when many other artists get flack for their print prices. Yet it's okay for banksy to sell prints to the uber rich. Forget actual fans of his. Banksy isn't selling 40$ prints to make ends meet and continue his passion on painting on walls. Ironically it seems you are defending him for basically being everything he despised early on. An artist making a living. Now that's hilarious.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by ilmambo on Mar 18, 2017 20:20:10 GMT 1, Is he an artist or social justice warrior first? When his arts great everyone wants to talk about that and how great an artist he is. When his arts poor people get all upset if it's criticized and people want to ignore it. Especially if it has a 'nice' theme. Can't have it both ways. Oh and speaking about artists selling art to make a living. Don't give me that nonsense haha. That's garbage especially when many other artists get flack for their print prices. Yet it's okay for banksy to sell prints to the uber rich. Forget actual fans of his. Banksy isn't selling 40$ prints to make ends meet and continue his passion on painting on walls. Ironically it seems you are defending him for basically being everything he despised early on. An artist making a living. Now that's hilarious. First of all I'm not "defending" him. He doesn't need my defence and I'm not his lawyer.
Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. He didn't like being that at the beginning of his career? Maybe that's just because he started doing graffiti for fun and usually when you do something for fun and you enjoy it you don't care about getting an income out of it.
Changing mindset and goals over the years it's perfectly normal, if he got famous and people are now willing to pay very good money for his work, what's wrong in selling them at those prices? For years there were prints and originals unsold at POW. We all had chances to buy his stuff at "affordable" prices. Now those times are over. What would you expect? A new print every week for £10 just to make fans happy? I'm sorry but being upset that he now sells only to VIPs instead of everyone is the real nonsense. And if you're a fan, can't you just enjoy his murals, exibitions and stuff? Isn't that enough?
Is he an artist or social justice warrior first? When his arts great everyone wants to talk about that and how great an artist he is. When his arts poor people get all upset if it's criticized and people want to ignore it. Especially if it has a 'nice' theme. Can't have it both ways. Oh and speaking about artists selling art to make a living. Don't give me that nonsense haha. That's garbage especially when many other artists get flack for their print prices. Yet it's okay for banksy to sell prints to the uber rich. Forget actual fans of his. Banksy isn't selling 40$ prints to make ends meet and continue his passion on painting on walls. Ironically it seems you are defending him for basically being everything he despised early on. An artist making a living. Now that's hilarious. First of all I'm not "defending" him. He doesn't need my defence and I'm not his lawyer. Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. He didn't like being that at the beginning of his career? Maybe that's just because he started doing graffiti for fun and usually when you do something for fun and you enjoy it you don't care about getting an income out of it. Changing mindset and goals over the years it's perfectly normal, if he got famous and people are now willing to pay very good money for his work, what's wrong in selling them at those prices? For years there were prints and originals unsold at POW. We all had chances to buy his stuff at "affordable" prices. Now those times are over. What would you expect? A new print every week for £10 just to make fans happy? I'm sorry but being upset that he now sells only to VIPs instead of everyone is the real nonsense. And if you're a fan, can't you just enjoy his murals, exibitions and stuff? Isn't that enough?
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 19, 2017 0:12:50 GMT 1, Is he an artist or social justice warrior first? When his arts great everyone wants to talk about that and how great an artist he is. When his arts poor people get all upset if it's criticized and people want to ignore it. Especially if it has a 'nice' theme. Can't have it both ways. Oh and speaking about artists selling art to make a living. Don't give me that nonsense haha. That's garbage especially when many other artists get flack for their print prices. Yet it's okay for banksy to sell prints to the uber rich. Forget actual fans of his. Banksy isn't selling 40$ prints to make ends meet and continue his passion on painting on walls. Ironically it seems you are defending him for basically being everything he despised early on. An artist making a living. Now that's hilarious. First of all I'm not "defending" him. He doesn't need my defence and I'm not his lawyer. Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. He didn't like being that at the beginning of his career? Maybe that's just because he started doing graffiti for fun and usually when you do something for fun and you enjoy it you don't care about getting an income out of it. Changing mindset and goals over the years it's perfectly normal, if he got famous and people are now willing to pay very good money for his work, what's wrong in selling them at those prices? For years there were prints and originals unsold at POW. We all had chances to buy his stuff at "affordable" prices. Now those times are over. What would you expect? A new print every week for £10 just to make fans happy? I'm sorry but being upset that he now sells only to VIPs instead of everyone is the real nonsense. And if you're a fan, can't you just enjoy his murals, exibitions and stuff? Isn't that enough?
Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth.
That statement is a fact.
This statement is not.
BANKSY selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth.
You don't find it ironic that his 'art' he sells is the exact same thing his morons prints mock?
Selling to VIPs is nonsense. Saying it's a change of goals and mindset could be seen as cash grabs and selling out.
Setting up a stall in NYC and selling originals at $50. That was genius. Selling secret prints to millionaires is not.
Is he an artist or social justice warrior first? When his arts great everyone wants to talk about that and how great an artist he is. When his arts poor people get all upset if it's criticized and people want to ignore it. Especially if it has a 'nice' theme. Can't have it both ways. Oh and speaking about artists selling art to make a living. Don't give me that nonsense haha. That's garbage especially when many other artists get flack for their print prices. Yet it's okay for banksy to sell prints to the uber rich. Forget actual fans of his. Banksy isn't selling 40$ prints to make ends meet and continue his passion on painting on walls. Ironically it seems you are defending him for basically being everything he despised early on. An artist making a living. Now that's hilarious. First of all I'm not "defending" him. He doesn't need my defence and I'm not his lawyer. Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. He didn't like being that at the beginning of his career? Maybe that's just because he started doing graffiti for fun and usually when you do something for fun and you enjoy it you don't care about getting an income out of it. Changing mindset and goals over the years it's perfectly normal, if he got famous and people are now willing to pay very good money for his work, what's wrong in selling them at those prices? For years there were prints and originals unsold at POW. We all had chances to buy his stuff at "affordable" prices. Now those times are over. What would you expect? A new print every week for £10 just to make fans happy? I'm sorry but being upset that he now sells only to VIPs instead of everyone is the real nonsense. And if you're a fan, can't you just enjoy his murals, exibitions and stuff? Isn't that enough? Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. That statement is a fact. This statement is not. BANKSY selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. You don't find it ironic that his 'art' he sells is the exact same thing his morons prints mock? Selling to VIPs is nonsense. Saying it's a change of goals and mindset could be seen as cash grabs and selling out. Setting up a stall in NYC and selling originals at $50. That was genius. Selling secret prints to millionaires is not.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Reader on Mar 19, 2017 0:26:41 GMT 1, First of all I'm not "defending" him. He doesn't need my defence and I'm not his lawyer. Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. He didn't like being that at the beginning of his career? Maybe that's just because he started doing graffiti for fun and usually when you do something for fun and you enjoy it you don't care about getting an income out of it. Changing mindset and goals over the years it's perfectly normal, if he got famous and people are now willing to pay very good money for his work, what's wrong in selling them at those prices? For years there were prints and originals unsold at POW. We all had chances to buy his stuff at "affordable" prices. Now those times are over. What would you expect? A new print every week for £10 just to make fans happy? I'm sorry but being upset that he now sells only to VIPs instead of everyone is the real nonsense. And if you're a fan, can't you just enjoy his murals, exibitions and stuff? Isn't that enough? Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. That statement is a fact. This statement is not. BANKSY selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. You don't find it ironic that his 'art' he sells is the exact same thing his morons prints mock? Selling to VIPs is nonsense. Saying it's a change of goals and mindset could be seen as cash grabs and selling out. Setting up a stall in NYC and selling originals at $50. That was genius. Selling secret prints to millionaires is not. Oh I don't know, taking 100's of thousands from the rich to re-invest in Weston Super Mare and Bethlehem whilst raising the issue of Palestine and at the same time creating two of the world's most talked about art projects..pretty impressive for an ex vandal if you ask me.
First of all I'm not "defending" him. He doesn't need my defence and I'm not his lawyer. Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. He didn't like being that at the beginning of his career? Maybe that's just because he started doing graffiti for fun and usually when you do something for fun and you enjoy it you don't care about getting an income out of it. Changing mindset and goals over the years it's perfectly normal, if he got famous and people are now willing to pay very good money for his work, what's wrong in selling them at those prices? For years there were prints and originals unsold at POW. We all had chances to buy his stuff at "affordable" prices. Now those times are over. What would you expect? A new print every week for £10 just to make fans happy? I'm sorry but being upset that he now sells only to VIPs instead of everyone is the real nonsense. And if you're a fan, can't you just enjoy his murals, exibitions and stuff? Isn't that enough? Artist selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. That statement is a fact. This statement is not. BANKSY selling art to make a living is not nonsese, just the plain truth. You don't find it ironic that his 'art' he sells is the exact same thing his morons prints mock? Selling to VIPs is nonsense. Saying it's a change of goals and mindset could be seen as cash grabs and selling out. Setting up a stall in NYC and selling originals at $50. That was genius. Selling secret prints to millionaires is not. Oh I don't know, taking 100's of thousands from the rich to re-invest in Weston Super Mare and Bethlehem whilst raising the issue of Palestine and at the same time creating two of the world's most talked about art projects..pretty impressive for an ex vandal if you ask me.
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