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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Scraffer on Mar 27, 2017 7:30:07 GMT 1, I was referring to the point that you made regarding those with the means to travel being rewarded. Im sure that lots of Palestinians would have loved to have gone to LA or NYC or even WSM but didnt have the means to do so. Its these folks turn to have something of this nature on their doorstep. Yeah. Does anyone have any info on how it's viewed on the community. Are the people living there going to see it?
Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones!
I was referring to the point that you made regarding those with the means to travel being rewarded. Im sure that lots of Palestinians would have loved to have gone to LA or NYC or even WSM but didnt have the means to do so. Its these folks turn to have something of this nature on their doorstep. Yeah. Does anyone have any info on how it's viewed on the community. Are the people living there going to see it? Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Daniel Silk on Mar 27, 2017 11:38:31 GMT 1, Yeah. Does anyone have any info on how it's viewed on the community. Are the people living there going to see it? Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones!  Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
Yeah. Does anyone have any info on how it's viewed on the community. Are the people living there going to see it? Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Coach on Mar 27, 2017 11:55:38 GMT 1, Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
Can't please all of the people all of the time.
I couldn't make BOTI or the pet store. But didn't mind. He put on plenty that I could go to! Pop up cinema, Cans, Bristol museum show, dismalland etc.
Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. Can't please all of the people all of the time. I couldn't make BOTI or the pet store. But didn't mind. He put on plenty that I could go to! Pop up cinema, Cans, Bristol museum show, dismalland etc. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 27, 2017 12:07:08 GMT 1, Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
@danielsilk Could you please define "well off" ?
Thank you
Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. @danielsilk Could you please define "well off" ? Thank you |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Happy Shopper on Mar 27, 2017 12:10:45 GMT 1, Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
What does it cost to visit? I heard there are cheapish flights and the bunk beds are £30 or something.
You can probably go for a night or 2 for less than the cost of most prints.
Even going to Dismaland from London cost a fair bit, and many people had to get hotels for a night if they were going to an evening session.
Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. What does it cost to visit? I heard there are cheapish flights and the bunk beds are £30 or something. You can probably go for a night or 2 for less than the cost of most prints. Even going to Dismaland from London cost a fair bit, and many people had to get hotels for a night if they were going to an evening session. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Daniel Silk on Mar 27, 2017 12:19:55 GMT 1, That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. @danielsilk Could you please define "well off" ? Thank you  not exactly a place to take your children for a fun or relaxing break, so you would need to be pretty well off to be able to justify jumping on a plane to Palestine.
If you don't agree, it's ok we just come from different backgrounds and live surrounded by different people.
That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. @danielsilk Could you please define "well off" ? Thank you Some people can't afford to go abroad, traveling, holidaying in another country, some can afford to holiday abroad maybe once a year or every few years if they are lucky. To visit the Walled Off Hotel isn't what you would call a holiday not exactly a place to take your children for a fun or relaxing break, so you would need to be pretty well off to be able to justify jumping on a plane to Palestine. If you don't agree, it's ok we just come from different backgrounds and live surrounded by different people. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 27, 2017 12:30:55 GMT 1, Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
I agree. Great for the part with the local community.
As for everyone else there just seems to be less excitement for those who can't visit. Maybe it's how banksy unveiled it. It's basically a huge dump of images on his website and then you either visit yourself and experience it or maybe hear one thing of someone that did.
Besides the massive speculation for the ship and book followed by disappontement by most it's been so slow for those far away. Very different than NYC or dismaland. It's probably the physical access but I think banksy could have capalized on finding a way to keep it exciting.
Even unveiling a couple new images of the hotel or people thier every day on his instagram would be something.
Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. I agree. Great for the part with the local community. As for everyone else there just seems to be less excitement for those who can't visit. Maybe it's how banksy unveiled it. It's basically a huge dump of images on his website and then you either visit yourself and experience it or maybe hear one thing of someone that did. Besides the massive speculation for the ship and book followed by disappontement by most it's been so slow for those far away. Very different than NYC or dismaland. It's probably the physical access but I think banksy could have capalized on finding a way to keep it exciting. Even unveiling a couple new images of the hotel or people thier every day on his instagram would be something. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Coach on Mar 27, 2017 12:37:29 GMT 1, That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. I agree. Great for the part with the local community. As for everyone else there just seems to be less excitement for those who can't visit. Maybe it's how banksy unveiled it. It's basically a huge dump of images on his website and then you either visit yourself and experience it or maybe hear one thing of someone that did. Besides the massive speculation for the ship and book followed by disappontement by most it's been so slow for those far away. Very different than NYC or dismaland. It's probably the physical access but I think banksy could have capalized on finding a way to keep it exciting. Even unveiling a couple new images of the hotel or people thier every day on his instagram would be something.
I have tried not to reply to your negative posts recently.
But...."disappointment by most...."?!
It seems to me that the disappointment is coming from a very limited number of critics.
It was suggested a while ago that yiu start your own separate thread to contain your moans and groans about how this project just isn't good enough for you. I think that's a great idea.
That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. I agree. Great for the part with the local community. As for everyone else there just seems to be less excitement for those who can't visit. Maybe it's how banksy unveiled it. It's basically a huge dump of images on his website and then you either visit yourself and experience it or maybe hear one thing of someone that did. Besides the massive speculation for the ship and book followed by disappontement by most it's been so slow for those far away. Very different than NYC or dismaland. It's probably the physical access but I think banksy could have capalized on finding a way to keep it exciting. Even unveiling a couple new images of the hotel or people thier every day on his instagram would be something. I have tried not to reply to your negative posts recently. But...."disappointment by most...."?! It seems to me that the disappointment is coming from a very limited number of critics. It was suggested a while ago that yiu start your own separate thread to contain your moans and groans about how this project just isn't good enough for you. I think that's a great idea. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by kaos on Mar 27, 2017 13:29:13 GMT 1, There will always be people who cannot get 'there' for whatever reason no matter where it is. I remember during Dismaland messages from people in Australia, USA and other parts of the world saying how disappointed they were because they could not make it to UK. As our American friends say - that's how the cookie crumbles.
Talking of not being able to making it, I am one of the people who sadly will not be able to make it to Bethlehem but would love a couple of Tee Shirts if anyone is able to help. I will of course pay for your troubles. Thanks in advance.
There will always be people who cannot get 'there' for whatever reason no matter where it is. I remember during Dismaland messages from people in Australia, USA and other parts of the world saying how disappointed they were because they could not make it to UK. As our American friends say - that's how the cookie crumbles.
Talking of not being able to making it, I am one of the people who sadly will not be able to make it to Bethlehem but would love a couple of Tee Shirts if anyone is able to help. I will of course pay for your troubles. Thanks in advance.
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Matt on Mar 27, 2017 13:33:48 GMT 1, Agree with Daniel Silk. Although we are not talking billionaire territory, most people won't be able to afford a stint down to Gaza just for art' sake...
But same for Dismaland unless you lived in the U.K., BOTI unless you were NY local etc etc
Fortunately we all have devices that enable us to feast our eyes on pics and vids, and forum members taking the time to write up their experience !
Agree with Daniel Silk. Although we are not talking billionaire territory, most people won't be able to afford a stint down to Gaza just for art' sake... But same for Dismaland unless you lived in the U.K., BOTI unless you were NY local etc etc Fortunately we all have devices that enable us to feast our eyes on pics and vids, and forum members taking the time to write up their experience ! |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Daniel Silk on Mar 27, 2017 13:50:11 GMT 1, There will always be people who cannot get 'there' for whatever reason no matter where it is. I remember during Dismaland messages from people in Australia, USA and other parts of the world saying how disappointed they were because they could not make it to UK. As our American friends say - that's how the cookie crumbles. Talking of not being able to making it, I am one of the people who sadly will not be able to make it to Bethlehem but would love a couple of Tee Shirts if anyone is able to help. I will of course pay for your troubles. Thanks in advance.
There will always be people who cannot get 'there' for whatever reason no matter where it is. I remember during Dismaland messages from people in Australia, USA and other parts of the world saying how disappointed they were because they could not make it to UK. As our American friends say - that's how the cookie crumbles. Talking of not being able to making it, I am one of the people who sadly will not be able to make it to Bethlehem but would love a couple of Tee Shirts if anyone is able to help. I will of course pay for your troubles. Thanks in advance. Yep, sadly we are probably talking in as low as the hundreds of people who will actually go there and stay at the Hotel, so maybe the media coverage was seen as more important than people going there. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 27, 2017 14:28:15 GMT 1, Agree with Daniel Silk. Although we are not talking billionaire territory, most people won't be able to afford a stint down to Gaza just for art' sake... But same for Dismaland unless you lived in the U.K., BOTI unless you were NY local etc etc Fortunately we all have devices that enable us to feast our eyes on pics and vids, and forum members taking the time to write up their experience !
With BOTI and dismaland there was so much more going on it seemed. It seems like Every day there was discussion and photos and more hyping it up. I did attend either of those either and so far the walled off seems so distant in comparison.
Agree with Daniel Silk. Although we are not talking billionaire territory, most people won't be able to afford a stint down to Gaza just for art' sake... But same for Dismaland unless you lived in the U.K., BOTI unless you were NY local etc etc Fortunately we all have devices that enable us to feast our eyes on pics and vids, and forum members taking the time to write up their experience ! With BOTI and dismaland there was so much more going on it seemed. It seems like Every day there was discussion and photos and more hyping it up. I did attend either of those either and so far the walled off seems so distant in comparison. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 27, 2017 14:28:58 GMT 1, I agree. Great for the part with the local community. As for everyone else there just seems to be less excitement for those who can't visit. Maybe it's how banksy unveiled it. It's basically a huge dump of images on his website and then you either visit yourself and experience it or maybe hear one thing of someone that did. Besides the massive speculation for the ship and book followed by disappontement by most it's been so slow for those far away. Very different than NYC or dismaland. It's probably the physical access but I think banksy could have capalized on finding a way to keep it exciting. Even unveiling a couple new images of the hotel or people thier every day on his instagram would be something. I have tried not to reply to your negative posts recently. But...."disappointment by most...."?! It seems to me that the disappointment is coming from a very limited number of critics. It was suggested a while ago that yiu start your own separate thread to contain your moans and groans about how this project just isn't good enough for you. I think that's a great idea.
You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha
I agree. Great for the part with the local community. As for everyone else there just seems to be less excitement for those who can't visit. Maybe it's how banksy unveiled it. It's basically a huge dump of images on his website and then you either visit yourself and experience it or maybe hear one thing of someone that did. Besides the massive speculation for the ship and book followed by disappontement by most it's been so slow for those far away. Very different than NYC or dismaland. It's probably the physical access but I think banksy could have capalized on finding a way to keep it exciting. Even unveiling a couple new images of the hotel or people thier every day on his instagram would be something. I have tried not to reply to your negative posts recently. But...."disappointment by most...."?! It seems to me that the disappointment is coming from a very limited number of critics. It was suggested a while ago that yiu start your own separate thread to contain your moans and groans about how this project just isn't good enough for you. I think that's a great idea. You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by laurentbaboo on Mar 27, 2017 14:35:35 GMT 1, I have tried not to reply to your negative posts recently. But...."disappointment by most...."?! It seems to me that the disappointment is coming from a very limited number of critics. It was suggested a while ago that yiu start your own separate thread to contain your moans and groans about how this project just isn't good enough for you. I think that's a great idea. You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha
You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason!
I have tried not to reply to your negative posts recently. But...."disappointment by most...."?! It seems to me that the disappointment is coming from a very limited number of critics. It was suggested a while ago that yiu start your own separate thread to contain your moans and groans about how this project just isn't good enough for you. I think that's a great idea. You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Coach on Mar 27, 2017 14:48:48 GMT 1, You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason!
Despite there being "disappointment by most". How odd.
It seems to me that only a small minority are disappointed.
You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Despite there being "disappointment by most". How odd. It seems to me that only a small minority are disappointed. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Scraffer on Mar 27, 2017 15:02:39 GMT 1, To put the prices into perspective for people who are vaguely considering it... I paid £240 for my return easyJet flight. I then paid £12 for a shared taxi from the airport to Jerusalem and £1.50 for the bus from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. I booked into the $30 room for 2 nights (before it was announced that this price bracket was for low income travellers, but that's by-the-by). I've actually stayed on in the country, travelling up to Ramallah, Jericho and Jerusalem, before I head home on Thursday. The hostels I'm staying at for the rest of my trip are all £12 a night, and very nice. This will most likely be my 'summer holiday' for the year. Just to clarify a couple of things, the West Bank is not the same as Gaza, and the situations are very very different. Gaza is impossible for tourists to visit, full stop. The West Bank on the other hand is wide open for people to travel around. Yes, you have to put up with the checkpoints and roadblocks, but that aside, the local people are the most welcoming I've ever come across, and that is no exaggeration. Everyone from taxi drivers down to the random strangers on the street just want to greet you and say 'welcome to Palestine'. There are some cracking tourist sites, including some you might not expect. I spent today doing a tour of the Taybeh brewery and winemakers (highly reccomended), and tomorrow I'll be trekking to the monestary at Wadi Qelt. I'm travelling on my own and feel very safe.
I do understand that for some people a trip like this just isn't affordable, and I know I'm incredibly fortunate to be able to take a week off work to do it, but it's just worth pointing out that one could easily do a three day trip here for the price of a couple of POW-level prints.
Having said that, the situation here is constantly in flux, and it is undeniably a gamble coming to somewhere where violent protests and roadblocks can commence at the drop of a hat. I wouldn't have travelled here if the Foreign Office didn't deem it safe to do so, and as I type this, they do. That may well change tomorrow or the next day, so don't come expecting an easy ride. If you're happy to take a chance and are fortunate enough to have some money spare to do so, you'll have an eye-opening and unforgettable experience...
To put the prices into perspective for people who are vaguely considering it... I paid £240 for my return easyJet flight. I then paid £12 for a shared taxi from the airport to Jerusalem and £1.50 for the bus from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. I booked into the $30 room for 2 nights (before it was announced that this price bracket was for low income travellers, but that's by-the-by). I've actually stayed on in the country, travelling up to Ramallah, Jericho and Jerusalem, before I head home on Thursday. The hostels I'm staying at for the rest of my trip are all £12 a night, and very nice. This will most likely be my 'summer holiday' for the year. Just to clarify a couple of things, the West Bank is not the same as Gaza, and the situations are very very different. Gaza is impossible for tourists to visit, full stop. The West Bank on the other hand is wide open for people to travel around. Yes, you have to put up with the checkpoints and roadblocks, but that aside, the local people are the most welcoming I've ever come across, and that is no exaggeration. Everyone from taxi drivers down to the random strangers on the street just want to greet you and say 'welcome to Palestine'. There are some cracking tourist sites, including some you might not expect. I spent today doing a tour of the Taybeh brewery and winemakers (highly reccomended), and tomorrow I'll be trekking to the monestary at Wadi Qelt. I'm travelling on my own and feel very safe.
I do understand that for some people a trip like this just isn't affordable, and I know I'm incredibly fortunate to be able to take a week off work to do it, but it's just worth pointing out that one could easily do a three day trip here for the price of a couple of POW-level prints.
Having said that, the situation here is constantly in flux, and it is undeniably a gamble coming to somewhere where violent protests and roadblocks can commence at the drop of a hat. I wouldn't have travelled here if the Foreign Office didn't deem it safe to do so, and as I type this, they do. That may well change tomorrow or the next day, so don't come expecting an easy ride. If you're happy to take a chance and are fortunate enough to have some money spare to do so, you'll have an eye-opening and unforgettable experience...
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 27, 2017 15:03:00 GMT 1, You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason!
Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy!
You are only seeing the negative. Oh I did start my own thread with my thoughts! Go join on that one haha You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by mojo on Mar 27, 2017 15:06:52 GMT 1, You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy!
You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by .dappy on Mar 27, 2017 15:10:27 GMT 1, ... no just boring ... same old, same old ...
... no just boring ... same old, same old ...
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Coach on Mar 27, 2017 15:13:24 GMT 1, You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy!
Afraid? Give me a break.
You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! Afraid? Give me a break. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Happy Shopper on Mar 27, 2017 15:20:07 GMT 1, You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy!
It feels like this has been discussed over and over, so how about letting the hotel continue for a while before any more comment about it's success, or lack of?
It's been open just a week or 2. It will be there all year... Let's see what happens, then discuss whether it worked or not.
You did indeed! But no much interest or followers for some reason! Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! It feels like this has been discussed over and over, so how about letting the hotel continue for a while before any more comment about it's success, or lack of? It's been open just a week or 2. It will be there all year... Let's see what happens, then discuss whether it worked or not. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 27, 2017 15:22:25 GMT 1, Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! Afraid? Give me a break.
Well all I see is you speaking negatively about my opinions bringing nothing else to the conversation. Feel free to change that and we'd all benefit in sure.
Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! Afraid? Give me a break. Well all I see is you speaking negatively about my opinions bringing nothing else to the conversation. Feel free to change that and we'd all benefit in sure. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 27, 2017 15:24:14 GMT 1, Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! It feels like this has been discussed over and over, so how about letting the hotel continue for a while before any more comment about it's success, or lack of? It's been open just a week or 2. It will be there all year... Let's see what happens, then discuss whether it worked or not.
I agree and I've said the same.
However I still think it's fine to discuss it early on as well. I think it's valid to discuss a work at its concept, inception, during its peak and when it's 'done'.
Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. Better to stay away from anything that could remotely be seen as a criticism towards the work of banksy! It feels like this has been discussed over and over, so how about letting the hotel continue for a while before any more comment about it's success, or lack of? It's been open just a week or 2. It will be there all year... Let's see what happens, then discuss whether it worked or not. I agree and I've said the same. However I still think it's fine to discuss it early on as well. I think it's valid to discuss a work at its concept, inception, during its peak and when it's 'done'. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Happy Shopper on Mar 27, 2017 15:55:51 GMT 1, It feels like this has been discussed over and over, so how about letting the hotel continue for a while before any more comment about it's success, or lack of? It's been open just a week or 2. It will be there all year... Let's see what happens, then discuss whether it worked or not. I agree and I've said the same. However I still think it's fine to discuss it early on as well. I think it's valid to discuss a work at its concept, inception, during its peak and when it's 'done'.
Of course, but we don't have a lot of facts, most of us haven't been to see it, so we can only talk about what we've seen online and been told.
You seem to be doing a lot of speculating, and focusing on any negatives you can find, and that's fine, but there's not much to really discuss yet.
It feels like this has been discussed over and over, so how about letting the hotel continue for a while before any more comment about it's success, or lack of? It's been open just a week or 2. It will be there all year... Let's see what happens, then discuss whether it worked or not. I agree and I've said the same. However I still think it's fine to discuss it early on as well. I think it's valid to discuss a work at its concept, inception, during its peak and when it's 'done'. Of course, but we don't have a lot of facts, most of us haven't been to see it, so we can only talk about what we've seen online and been told. You seem to be doing a lot of speculating, and focusing on any negatives you can find, and that's fine, but there's not much to really discuss yet. |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 15:59:32 GMT 1, I agree and I've said the same. However I still think it's fine to discuss it early on as well. I think it's valid to discuss a work at its concept, inception, during its peak and when it's 'done'. Of course, but we don't have a lot of facts, most of us haven't been to see it, so we can only talk about what we've seen online and been told. You seem to be doing a lot of speculating, and focusing on any negatives you can find, and that's fine, but there's not much to really discuss yet.
Not much to discuss other than it isnt very convenient for some folks and you canny buy a Fruit of the Loom t-shirt c/w Banksy logo online....
I agree and I've said the same. However I still think it's fine to discuss it early on as well. I think it's valid to discuss a work at its concept, inception, during its peak and when it's 'done'. Of course, but we don't have a lot of facts, most of us haven't been to see it, so we can only talk about what we've seen online and been told. You seem to be doing a lot of speculating, and focusing on any negatives you can find, and that's fine, but there's not much to really discuss yet. Not much to discuss other than it isnt very convenient for some folks and you canny buy a Fruit of the Loom t-shirt c/w Banksy logo online.... |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 16:00:32 GMT 1, Well all I see is you speaking negatively about my opinions bringing nothing else to the conversation. Feel free to change that and we'd all benefit in sure.
You have asked questions, often the same questions again and again and again and again and again and they have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Its all fine, and its clear you get a kick out of winding people up, which again if fine if thats what makes you tick
Enjoy
However, saying you have brought anything to this conversation is over stepping the mark ever so slightly
Well all I see is you speaking negatively about my opinions bringing nothing else to the conversation. Feel free to change that and we'd all benefit in sure. You have asked questions, often the same questions again and again and again and again and again and they have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Its all fine, and its clear you get a kick out of winding people up, which again if fine if thats what makes you tick Enjoy However, saying you have brought anything to this conversation is over stepping the mark ever so slightly |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Matt on Mar 27, 2017 16:01:25 GMT 1, Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art.
No one is scared of discussing anything...
Maybe the issue is not with the forum members who don't want to discuss your opinion ?
Maybe, hypothetically, the issue is with the poster who restate his one-line opinion over and over and over...
Honestly mate, it is extremely tiring. Like being trapped at a party where they only play one song that no one happens to like.
You are underwhelmed. We get it. End of
Haha Yeah who would have thought people would be afraid to discuss art. No one is scared of discussing anything... Maybe the issue is not with the forum members who don't want to discuss your opinion ? Maybe, hypothetically, the issue is with the poster who restate his one-line opinion over and over and over... Honestly mate, it is extremely tiring. Like being trapped at a party where they only play one song that no one happens to like. You are underwhelmed. We get it. End of |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Happy Shopper on Mar 27, 2017 16:03:06 GMT 1, Of course, but we don't have a lot of facts, most of us haven't been to see it, so we can only talk about what we've seen online and been told. You seem to be doing a lot of speculating, and focusing on any negatives you can find, and that's fine, but there's not much to really discuss yet. Not much to discuss other than it isnt very convenient for some folks and you canny buy a Fruit of the Loom t-shirt c/w Banksy logo online....
This is very true, and I hate art that isn't conveniently located for myself and that doesn't have a decent range of merchandise!
Of course, but we don't have a lot of facts, most of us haven't been to see it, so we can only talk about what we've seen online and been told. You seem to be doing a lot of speculating, and focusing on any negatives you can find, and that's fine, but there's not much to really discuss yet. Not much to discuss other than it isnt very convenient for some folks and you canny buy a Fruit of the Loom t-shirt c/w Banksy logo online.... This is very true, and I hate art that isn't conveniently located for myself and that doesn't have a decent range of merchandise! |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 16:08:01 GMT 1, Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
I think its a big world, and he has a big audience. when i was there I introduced a couple of Palestinians i had met to his work and showed them around the museum, it was interesting to hear them talk about how true to their life it was, even down to the house keys that the families still have when they were forced and gun point to leave their family home.
I also noticed in the short time i was their that a few Tourists seemed to find their way to the hotel, no idea how? i think they followed the wall around and then saw a monkey outside a door and found themselves inside having lunch and being introduced to a rather surreal experience.
Also, $30 a night including breakfast really isn't to much for a bed
I havent checked easy jet flight costs? but i don't think they are really that high if you plan ahead?
ETA
I just looked on easy jet and you can get a return flight in June for around the £160 mark, so plus a couple of nights in the hotel @ $30, if you did it right you could possibly visit all in for say £300-£400
Yes, they are. Palestinians get free entry to the museum, and as a result lots of locals are visiting it. Almost every taxi driver I had had been to check it out, and I even met a local at my hotel in Jerusalem who'd made the trip down twice already to see it. People here love Banksy, and everyone knows about him. Banksy tourism is a BIG thing and many gift stores sell as many Banksy products as they do religious ones! That's good to hear Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum. I think its a big world, and he has a big audience. when i was there I introduced a couple of Palestinians i had met to his work and showed them around the museum, it was interesting to hear them talk about how true to their life it was, even down to the house keys that the families still have when they were forced and gun point to leave their family home. I also noticed in the short time i was their that a few Tourists seemed to find their way to the hotel, no idea how? i think they followed the wall around and then saw a monkey outside a door and found themselves inside having lunch and being introduced to a rather surreal experience. Also, $30 a night including breakfast really isn't to much for a bed I havent checked easy jet flight costs? but i don't think they are really that high if you plan ahead? ETA I just looked on easy jet and you can get a return flight in June for around the £160 mark, so plus a couple of nights in the hotel @ $30, if you did it right you could possibly visit all in for say £300-£400 |
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Banksy - The Walled Off Hotel ★★★, by Lroy on Mar 27, 2017 16:28:12 GMT 1, It is funny, it reminds me an English comment in a reportage about a " great exhibition but in the wrong place " - or a thing like that.
The wrong place was Paris. Not so far from London, just the channel to cross, not the red sea to open.
Well, I begin to believe that Brexit or not Brexit, some people are a bit self-absorbed and think that rock, punk, trip-hop, football and street-art and Banksy ( No golf ? ) should be " played " at home ( understand UK first, maybe Europe or Us in short the West - sorry I don't want to make any humilation and I don't attack anybody ) and not elsewhere..
We can read this about the Walled off Hotel in some comments here : " why in Palestine ?! " , " I won't or I can't go " , " bring back our tees, postcards etc.. " and they look - as me - desperatly if shop will sell tees or not...
It's true that London is London, NY/NY, Paris/Paris, and some comments should be a reflex of citizens living in a capital ( they can't even imagine to go in the countryside one day - a lot of snobish Parisians are allergics to the cows, grass, trees, etc.. apart in Deauville, in the South of France, Monaco and its blue seaside, etc...
But...
It si true also ( that's why I am on your forum, brought by the passion of Banksy, that I have known at a later stage, via Exit Through the Gift Shop ) that UK people are legends, and they have created all what I like, rock , street-art, etc etc...
I wont debate here again about xenophobia ( and the comment was surely a joke ) and some conditionned reflex that we could call " chauvinism " - nationalism being a disgusting word.
Banksy has made that in Palestine, it is not whithout reasons, and his Art Hotel is awesome. He took risks ( not only because of the situation between Palestin/Israël , and he has balls to have done that. More than a challenge, it is a chance and a change.
Anyway...
If you can't go, stay home ( great quote innit ? ) ...
... We still can wait in front of the web shop - you know the one with the keyboard and all this boring European time to kill, for any tee to be worn as a cotton flag without any medal nor decoration...
It is funny, it reminds me an English comment in a reportage about a " great exhibition but in the wrong place " - or a thing like that.
The wrong place was Paris. Not so far from London, just the channel to cross, not the red sea to open.
Well, I begin to believe that Brexit or not Brexit, some people are a bit self-absorbed and think that rock, punk, trip-hop, football and street-art and Banksy ( No golf ? ) should be " played " at home ( understand UK first, maybe Europe or Us in short the West - sorry I don't want to make any humilation and I don't attack anybody ) and not elsewhere..
We can read this about the Walled off Hotel in some comments here : " why in Palestine ?! " , " I won't or I can't go " , " bring back our tees, postcards etc.. " and they look - as me - desperatly if shop will sell tees or not...
It's true that London is London, NY/NY, Paris/Paris, and some comments should be a reflex of citizens living in a capital ( they can't even imagine to go in the countryside one day - a lot of snobish Parisians are allergics to the cows, grass, trees, etc.. apart in Deauville, in the South of France, Monaco and its blue seaside, etc...
But...
It si true also ( that's why I am on your forum, brought by the passion of Banksy, that I have known at a later stage, via Exit Through the Gift Shop ) that UK people are legends, and they have created all what I like, rock , street-art, etc etc...
I wont debate here again about xenophobia ( and the comment was surely a joke ) and some conditionned reflex that we could call " chauvinism " - nationalism being a disgusting word.
Banksy has made that in Palestine, it is not whithout reasons, and his Art Hotel is awesome. He took risks ( not only because of the situation between Palestin/Israël , and he has balls to have done that. More than a challenge, it is a chance and a change.
Anyway...
If you can't go, stay home ( great quote innit ? ) ...
... We still can wait in front of the web shop - you know the one with the keyboard and all this boring European time to kill, for any tee to be worn as a cotton flag without any medal nor decoration...
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Yeah, it's great if the locals enjoy it and see it as having a positive impact on the area. But I can also understand the disappointment from the majority of people who can't really justify the budget of a trip there to visit the hotel. Apart from the locals, it really is something that only the well off can afford to go to and experience, but I guess those are also the level of customers Banksy is now selling most of his work to, rather than the masses such as with the Dismaland, Cans Tunnel event or Bristol Museum.
not exactly a place to take your children for a fun or relaxing break, so you would need to be pretty well off to be able to justify jumping on a plane to Palestine.
