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Dec 10, 2018 20:57:17 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:57:17 GMT 1, Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen. No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end.
The other thing, and sorry to quote you as I am not disagreeing with anything you say
But where are the Brits that have NOT benefited from The EU since we joined?
Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen. No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. The other thing, and sorry to quote you as I am not disagreeing with anything you say But where are the Brits that have NOT benefited from The EU since we joined? |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:58:57 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 20:58:57 GMT 1, No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. I knew exactly what I was voting for I asked my 4 Children what they thought I should do, they all said vote remain as thats what would give them the best opportunities in life So I did, and it would have, they were right, were they not?
It's certainly a valid reason for voting the way you did but I'm sure there'll be leavers with exactly the same argument. I'm talking about knowing about the impact of/on WTO trade arangements, the Irish border, Gibraltar, the Union. The consequences of Brexit on any of these are yet to be determined.
No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. I knew exactly what I was voting for I asked my 4 Children what they thought I should do, they all said vote remain as thats what would give them the best opportunities in life So I did, and it would have, they were right, were they not? It's certainly a valid reason for voting the way you did but I'm sure there'll be leavers with exactly the same argument. I'm talking about knowing about the impact of/on WTO trade arangements, the Irish border, Gibraltar, the Union. The consequences of Brexit on any of these are yet to be determined. |
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Dec 10, 2018 21:02:28 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 21:02:28 GMT 1, No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. The other thing, and sorry to quote you as I am not disagreeing with anything you say But where are the Brits that have NOT benefited from The EU since we joined?
I personally don't believe there are any (excluding some epic scale tax dodgers who are currently running scared). I think there are a very many who are oblivious/ignorant to the benefits though.
No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. The other thing, and sorry to quote you as I am not disagreeing with anything you say But where are the Brits that have NOT benefited from The EU since we joined? I personally don't believe there are any (excluding some epic scale tax dodgers who are currently running scared). I think there are a very many who are oblivious/ignorant to the benefits though. |
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Dec 10, 2018 21:04:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by mojo on Dec 10, 2018 21:04:35 GMT 1, A fine example of the pioneering, go-getting entrepreneurial British citizen over his shoulder I see. The future's safe in their hands. Worth looking at the website he's promoting.
A fine example of the pioneering, go-getting entrepreneurial British citizen over his shoulder I see. The future's safe in their hands. Worth looking at the website he's promoting. Thanks wardance I just dirtied up my PC history by taking a look! A new dawn is breaking... wind and it stinks of grubby pensioner farts and racism ...yuk I've never wanted to escape this lunatic country more. |
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Dec 10, 2018 23:14:20 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Dec 10, 2018 23:14:20 GMT 1, Oh, and don't get me wrong, Labour leadership is currently no better. Doomed, we are dooooomed
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand".
Oh, and don't get me wrong, Labour leadership is currently no better. Doomed, we are dooooomed
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand". |
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Dec 10, 2018 23:27:55 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 23:27:55 GMT 1, Oh, and don't get me wrong, Labour leadership is currently no better. Doomed, we are dooooomed
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand".
What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable
Oh, and don't get me wrong, Labour leadership is currently no better. Doomed, we are dooooomed
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand". What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable |
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Dec 10, 2018 23:35:19 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Dec 10, 2018 23:35:19 GMT 1,
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand". What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable They seem to be only interested in what they see as a potential power grab, which is utterly deluded with Corbyn at the helm, let alone ignoring the interests of the vast majority of their party members who voted Remain.
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand". What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable They seem to be only interested in what they see as a potential power grab, which is utterly deluded with Corbyn at the helm, let alone ignoring the interests of the vast majority of their party members who voted Remain.
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Dec 11, 2018 10:29:18 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Dec 11, 2018 10:29:18 GMT 1, I don't remember who said it on the news last night, but politics is broken in this country.
Politicians should be guiding the country, not making false promises then letting the public vote on something no one can deliver. Then blaming each other while making even more false promises... And the big one... "The will of the people". That's the biggest issue we have, as now no politician can tell the truth without being told they're denying "the will of the people" and destroying democracy.
Bollocks to them all... Really only the Lib Dems and SNP are telling it straight...
I'd vote SNP if I could!
I don't remember who said it on the news last night, but politics is broken in this country.
Politicians should be guiding the country, not making false promises then letting the public vote on something no one can deliver. Then blaming each other while making even more false promises... And the big one... "The will of the people". That's the biggest issue we have, as now no politician can tell the truth without being told they're denying "the will of the people" and destroying democracy.
Bollocks to them all... Really only the Lib Dems and SNP are telling it straight...
I'd vote SNP if I could!
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Dec 11, 2018 10:46:23 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 11, 2018 10:46:23 GMT 1, What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable They seem to be only interested in what they see as a potential power grab, which is utterly deluded with Corbyn at the helm, let alone ignoring the interests of the vast majority of their party members who voted Remain.
If Labour hadn't robbed May of her majority she could do anything she liked. If they hadn't secured the Meaningful Vote there would be no vote to cancel. If they hadnt forced publication of the legal advice parliament might not have united against the deal. Labour, for all their faults are at least trying to represent the interests of their members as well as the wider electorate.
The Tories on the other hand care only about themselves. Not even the 52%. They're acting as if all the power is theirs and trying to bypass parliamentary sovereignty at every stage of the process. It's an affront to democracy.
I'm not sure how Labour dare to fight to be take charge to be honest.
What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable They seem to be only interested in what they see as a potential power grab, which is utterly deluded with Corbyn at the helm, let alone ignoring the interests of the vast majority of their party members who voted Remain.
If Labour hadn't robbed May of her majority she could do anything she liked. If they hadn't secured the Meaningful Vote there would be no vote to cancel. If they hadnt forced publication of the legal advice parliament might not have united against the deal. Labour, for all their faults are at least trying to represent the interests of their members as well as the wider electorate. The Tories on the other hand care only about themselves. Not even the 52%. They're acting as if all the power is theirs and trying to bypass parliamentary sovereignty at every stage of the process. It's an affront to democracy. I'm not sure how Labour dare to fight to be take charge to be honest. |
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Dec 11, 2018 10:59:11 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Dec 11, 2018 10:59:11 GMT 1, A fine example of the pioneering, go-getting entrepreneurial British citizen over his shoulder I see. The future's safe in their hands. Worth looking at the website he's promoting. Thanks wardance I just dirtied up my PC history by taking a look! A new dawn is breaking... wind and it stinks of grubby pensioner farts and racism ...yuk I've never wanted to escape this lunatic country more.
A fine example of the pioneering, go-getting entrepreneurial British citizen over his shoulder I see. The future's safe in their hands. Worth looking at the website he's promoting. Thanks wardance I just dirtied up my PC history by taking a look! A new dawn is breaking... wind and it stinks of grubby pensioner farts and racism ...yuk I've never wanted to escape this lunatic country more. I decided not to look yesterday, i had a feeling it might be something like that! We have a few interestingly retrograde people here, they a small but loud bunch, thankfully they are fewer than the media would have you believe. |
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Dec 11, 2018 11:05:57 GMT 1
Brexit, by Hubble Bubble on Dec 11, 2018 11:05:57 GMT 1, I loved this twitter thread from Hugo Rifkind
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Dec 11, 2018 11:08:49 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Dec 11, 2018 11:08:49 GMT 1,
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand". What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable
I would rather he could be more open, but i think he is doing the right thing. He is the only hope we have, and this is the only way he has any hope of making it happen. The government has spent 2 million funding smear campaigns on him for the love of god, the media hate him, big money hates him and all because he wants to make the system work for all of us. If we had a decent system, it wouldnt be fighting a decent politician like it is, and he would have won the last election.
Caroline Lucas in yesterday's C4 debate, "Brexit is a project for the right, by the right, and why Labour would support it I just don't understand". What would be quite decent of them is to explain what they would do and how they would do it, rather than sound bites and saying what they won't do. I don't think they have a bloody clue either which is understandable Could be that, but i doubt it. I think its more that he knows to keep his mouth shut as much as possible, as the media will use anything he says to batter him with. It doesnt matter how good anything he proposes is, he doesnt fit what the media wants, so they will twist it and slate him with it. His best defence is not to hand them any ammunition, annoying as that is, its that or let the media ensure we never see him in power. They have already shown us that he has a clean past, they have managed to dig up nothing factual and bad on him, but they keep trying with the lies and the smears, which says it all. I would rather he could be more open, but i think he is doing the right thing. He is the only hope we have, and this is the only way he has any hope of making it happen. The government has spent 2 million funding smear campaigns on him for the love of god, the media hate him, big money hates him and all because he wants to make the system work for all of us. If we had a decent system, it wouldnt be fighting a decent politician like it is, and he would have won the last election. |
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Dec 11, 2018 11:19:48 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 11:19:48 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Boris Johnson's still promising them the moon on stick...
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Boris Johnson's still promising them the moon on stick... If Boris Johnson thinks he would have got a brilliant deal out of the EU then he is deluded. But then he loves to scapegoat all the problems he helped to cause in the first place. |
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Dec 11, 2018 11:23:09 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 11:23:09 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Yep itโs all complaining from the brexiters. Iโm just glad that there hasnโt been any complaining from the remainers. Could you just imagine had bad that would be.
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Yep itโs all complaining from the brexiters. Iโm just glad that there hasnโt been any complaining from the remainers. Could you just imagine had bad that would be. I agree that Remainers have moaned a lot in the past but, at the present moment, it is the Brexiters that are moaning and trying to pin all the blame on to Theresa May for this Brexit debacle. They themselves need to take some responsibility for this mess. |
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Dec 11, 2018 11:23:56 GMT 1
Brexit, by k2 on Dec 11, 2018 11:23:56 GMT 1, The Brexit issue seems to cross party lines like no other issue that I can think of - plenty of Labour voters on both sides of the argument, so my assumption is that Labour are being deliberately vague to avoid alienating any part of their membership at this point.
I do kind of wish they'd take up a more formal 'opposition' position and support a second referendum, but that's my own bias coming through I think.
The Brexit issue seems to cross party lines like no other issue that I can think of - plenty of Labour voters on both sides of the argument, so my assumption is that Labour are being deliberately vague to avoid alienating any part of their membership at this point.
I do kind of wish they'd take up a more formal 'opposition' position and support a second referendum, but that's my own bias coming through I think.
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Dec 11, 2018 11:27:28 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 11:27:28 GMT 1, I knew exactly what I was voting for I asked my 4 Children what they thought I should do, they all said vote remain as thats what would give them the best opportunities in life So I did, and it would have, they were right, were they not? It's certainly a valid reason for voting the way you did but I'm sure there'll be leavers with exactly the same argument. I'm talking about knowing about the impact of/on WTO trade arangements, the Irish border, Gibraltar, the Union. The consequences of Brexit on any of these are yet to be determined.
I knew exactly what I was voting for I asked my 4 Children what they thought I should do, they all said vote remain as thats what would give them the best opportunities in life So I did, and it would have, they were right, were they not? It's certainly a valid reason for voting the way you did but I'm sure there'll be leavers with exactly the same argument. I'm talking about knowing about the impact of/on WTO trade arangements, the Irish border, Gibraltar, the Union. The consequences of Brexit on any of these are yet to be determined. Exactly. This is supposed to have been the easy bit. And it's taken us 2 years to get absolutely nowhere! |
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Dec 11, 2018 12:29:05 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Dec 11, 2018 12:29:05 GMT 1, The Brexit issue seems to cross party lines like no other issue that I can think of - plenty of Labour voters on both sides of the argument, so my assumption is that Labour are being deliberately vague to avoid alienating any part of their membership at this point. I do kind of wish they'd take up a more formal 'opposition' position and support a second referendum, but that's my own bias coming through I think.
He is clearly fighting for us, while they are clearly fighting for them. Im happy to sit and let him do this his way. I certainly wouldnt want him to be giving the press every chance to run him into the ground.
And when it comes to open dialogue, the tory party has just become the first government in our history, to be found in contempt of parliament, for refusing to publish their own data on the impact of brexit. How does that rate for being vague, it is on a new level of deceit. It has however had virtually no media since it happened.
The Brexit issue seems to cross party lines like no other issue that I can think of - plenty of Labour voters on both sides of the argument, so my assumption is that Labour are being deliberately vague to avoid alienating any part of their membership at this point. I do kind of wish they'd take up a more formal 'opposition' position and support a second referendum, but that's my own bias coming through I think. Totally agree on the second point, but if he does, the media will smash him all over the place for "ignoring the will of the people" And accuse him of being a stalinist dictator. He isnt being deliberately vague, he is deliberately exposing how crap TM and the tories are, while not standing in the field of fire. Its not a level playing field, so he has to play it different. He is clearly fighting for us, while they are clearly fighting for them. Im happy to sit and let him do this his way. I certainly wouldnt want him to be giving the press every chance to run him into the ground. And when it comes to open dialogue, the tory party has just become the first government in our history, to be found in contempt of parliament, for refusing to publish their own data on the impact of brexit. How does that rate for being vague, it is on a new level of deceit. It has however had virtually no media since it happened. |
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Dec 11, 2018 12:45:02 GMT 1
Brexit, by k2 on Dec 11, 2018 12:45:02 GMT 1, The Brexit issue seems to cross party lines like no other issue that I can think of - plenty of Labour voters on both sides of the argument, so my assumption is that Labour are being deliberately vague to avoid alienating any part of their membership at this point. I do kind of wish they'd take up a more formal 'opposition' position and support a second referendum, but that's my own bias coming through I think. Totally agree on the second point, but if he does, the media will smash him all over the place for "ignoring the will of the people" And accuse him of being a stalinist dictator. He isnt being deliberately vague, he is deliberately exposing how crap TM and the tories are, while not standing in the field of fire. Its not a level playing field, so he has to play it different. He is clearly fighting for us, while they are clearly fighting for them. Im happy to sit and let him do this his way. I certainly wouldnt want him to be giving the press every chance to run him into the ground. And when it comes to open dialogue, the tory party has just become the first government in our history, to be found in contempt of parliament, for refusing to publish their own data on the impact of brexit. How does that rate for being vague, it is on a new level of deceit. It has however had virtually no media since it happened.
The Brexit issue seems to cross party lines like no other issue that I can think of - plenty of Labour voters on both sides of the argument, so my assumption is that Labour are being deliberately vague to avoid alienating any part of their membership at this point. I do kind of wish they'd take up a more formal 'opposition' position and support a second referendum, but that's my own bias coming through I think. Totally agree on the second point, but if he does, the media will smash him all over the place for "ignoring the will of the people" And accuse him of being a stalinist dictator. He isnt being deliberately vague, he is deliberately exposing how crap TM and the tories are, while not standing in the field of fire. Its not a level playing field, so he has to play it different. He is clearly fighting for us, while they are clearly fighting for them. Im happy to sit and let him do this his way. I certainly wouldnt want him to be giving the press every chance to run him into the ground. And when it comes to open dialogue, the tory party has just become the first government in our history, to be found in contempt of parliament, for refusing to publish their own data on the impact of brexit. How does that rate for being vague, it is on a new level of deceit. It has however had virtually no media since it happened. You're absolutely right about the contempt issue - really quite staggering. |
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Dec 11, 2018 13:34:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Dec 11, 2018 13:34:30 GMT 1, I don't remember who said it on the news last night, but politics is broken in this country. Politicians should be guiding the country, not making false promises then letting the public vote on something no one can deliver. Then blaming each other while making even more false promises... And the big one... "The will of the people". That's the biggest issue we have, as now no politician can tell the truth without being told they're denying "the will of the people" and destroying democracy. Bollocks to them all... Really only the Lib Dems and SNP are telling it straight... I'd vote SNP if I could! I'd argue that it's really only The Green Party that are fully and genuinely telling it straight.
And they're picking up huge numbers of new members and voters as a result, much to the detriment of The Labour Party.
Possibly.
I like Corbyn... but he's f**kingthis up... probably because he seems to quite agree with Brexit in principle.
They just need to start talking sense and not promising another impossible deal. Labour will just fail to deliver it too, when their time comes.
And another thing!!... the Northern Ireland Backstop... what are the European Union supposed to be helping May with this week? It's a UK problem to solve!
Boarder or no boarder (can't be no boarder in reality), or special Tax arrangement for Northern Ireland... Those are the only freaking 2 options to choose... It's hard for them to admit, but that's it... Why is no one saying this in the media?
I don't remember who said it on the news last night, but politics is broken in this country. Politicians should be guiding the country, not making false promises then letting the public vote on something no one can deliver. Then blaming each other while making even more false promises... And the big one... "The will of the people". That's the biggest issue we have, as now no politician can tell the truth without being told they're denying "the will of the people" and destroying democracy. Bollocks to them all... Really only the Lib Dems and SNP are telling it straight... I'd vote SNP if I could! I'd argue that it's really only The Green Party that are fully and genuinely telling it straight.
And they're picking up huge numbers of new members and voters as a result, much to the detriment of The Labour Party.
Possibly. I like Corbyn... but he's f**kingthis up... probably because he seems to quite agree with Brexit in principle. They just need to start talking sense and not promising another impossible deal. Labour will just fail to deliver it too, when their time comes. And another thing!!... the Northern Ireland Backstop... what are the European Union supposed to be helping May with this week? It's a UK problem to solve! Boarder or no boarder (can't be no boarder in reality), or special Tax arrangement for Northern Ireland... Those are the only freaking 2 options to choose... It's hard for them to admit, but that's it... Why is no one saying this in the media? |
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Dec 11, 2018 13:44:52 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Dec 11, 2018 13:44:52 GMT 1, Could be that, but i doubt it. I think its more that he knows to keep his mouth shut as much as possible, as the media will use anything he says to batter him with. It doesnt matter how good anything he proposes is, he doesnt fit what the media wants, so they will twist it and slate him with it. His best defence is not to hand them any ammunition, annoying as that is, its that or let the media ensure we never see him in power. They have already shown us that he has a clean past, they have managed to dig up nothing factual and bad on him, but they keep trying with the lies and the smears, which says it all. I would rather he could be more open, but i think he is doing the right thing. He is the only hope we have, and this is the only way he has any hope of making it happen. The government has spent 2 million funding smear campaigns on him for the love of god, the media hate him, big money hates him and all because he wants to make the system work for all of us. If we had a decent system, it wouldnt be fighting a decent politician like it is, and he would have won the last election. And that, sadly, is exactly why he's got to go. "Keeping his mouth shut" is not opposition.
Could be that, but i doubt it. I think its more that he knows to keep his mouth shut as much as possible, as the media will use anything he says to batter him with. It doesnt matter how good anything he proposes is, he doesnt fit what the media wants, so they will twist it and slate him with it. His best defence is not to hand them any ammunition, annoying as that is, its that or let the media ensure we never see him in power. They have already shown us that he has a clean past, they have managed to dig up nothing factual and bad on him, but they keep trying with the lies and the smears, which says it all. I would rather he could be more open, but i think he is doing the right thing. He is the only hope we have, and this is the only way he has any hope of making it happen. The government has spent 2 million funding smear campaigns on him for the love of god, the media hate him, big money hates him and all because he wants to make the system work for all of us. If we had a decent system, it wouldnt be fighting a decent politician like it is, and he would have won the last election. And that, sadly, is exactly why he's got to go. "Keeping his mouth shut" is not opposition.
Really? without him, May would be rolling with carte blanche to do as she wanted. Not only is he the best opposition she could have, he is winning. The government is collapsing due to him not giving the press a stick to beat him with. He is doing exactly what he needs to do. |
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Brexit
Dec 11, 2018 14:08:03 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 11, 2018 14:08:03 GMT 1, Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard.
I should be the new Prime Minister!
Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! |
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Brexit
Dec 11, 2018 14:09:34 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 11, 2018 14:09:34 GMT 1, Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister!
You're an idiot.
Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! You're an idiot. |
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love
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Dec 11, 2018 14:24:00 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 11, 2018 14:24:00 GMT 1, Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! You're an idiot.
Canโt wait to see my bronze statue next to Churchills.
Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! You're an idiot. Youโre right, i forgot about the Scottish independence. Now, problems solved. Canโt wait to see my bronze statue next to Churchills. |
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Brexit
Dec 11, 2018 15:01:38 GMT 1
Brexit, by Dive Jedi on Dec 11, 2018 15:01:38 GMT 1, Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! You're an idiot.
Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! You're an idiot. Soโฆ. are you saying he should or should not be the new Prime Minister....? |
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Dec 11, 2018 15:36:09 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:36:09 GMT 1, And that, sadly, is exactly why he's got to go. "Keeping his mouth shut" is not opposition.
Really? without him, May would be rolling with carte blanche to do as she wanted. Not only is he the best opposition she could have, he is winning. The government is collapsing due to him not giving the press a stick to beat him with. He is doing exactly what he needs to do.
And have you seen Labour's six tests which they are insisting upon for Brexit? I can't see the EU even signing up to one of them, let alone all six. Corbyn's plans make May's deal look brilliant in comparison - and that's no small feat.
And that, sadly, is exactly why he's got to go. "Keeping his mouth shut" is not opposition.
Really? without him, May would be rolling with carte blanche to do as she wanted. Not only is he the best opposition she could have, he is winning. The government is collapsing due to him not giving the press a stick to beat him with. He is doing exactly what he needs to do. Corbyn is doing nothing but trying hard not to upset any of his supporters; Leavers and Remainers. It's a despicable position to adopt. And have you seen Labour's six tests which they are insisting upon for Brexit? I can't see the EU even signing up to one of them, let alone all six. Corbyn's plans make May's deal look brilliant in comparison - and that's no small feat. |
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Dec 11, 2018 15:38:48 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:38:48 GMT 1, Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister!
Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! I agree. That would be the most sensible thing to do. Except no British Prime Minister would ever agree to it. I've always thought the partition of Ireland is a bit daft. |
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Dec 11, 2018 17:14:19 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 11, 2018 17:14:19 GMT 1, Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! I agree. ย That would be the most sensible thing to do. ย Except no British Prime Minister would ever agree to it. ย I've always thought the partition of Ireland is a bit daft. ย
Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit.
What the actual?
Easy solution: Just give Gibraltar to Spain, and let Ireland unite. Bam, problems solved and Brexit hard. I should be the new Prime Minister! I agree. ย That would be the most sensible thing to do. ย Except no British Prime Minister would ever agree to it. ย I've always thought the partition of Ireland is a bit daft. ย Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual? |
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Dec 11, 2018 17:23:41 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:23:41 GMT 1, I agree. That would be the most sensible thing to do. Except no British Prime Minister would ever agree to it. I've always thought the partition of Ireland is a bit daft. Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual?
I agree. That would be the most sensible thing to do. Except no British Prime Minister would ever agree to it. I've always thought the partition of Ireland is a bit daft. Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual? The Republic of Ireland is not "another country". People living in Northern Ireland are Irish whether they like to think they are or not. If you look at this objectively (i.e. outside the Brexit argument) it seems absurd to me that a small island is cut in half with different rules and regulations between the two. No wonder there is so much discord and unrest in the country; now and in the past. Brexit has only thrown the problem up in to the cold hard light of day. The DUP (and others) need to wake up and face reality. |
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Brexit
Dec 11, 2018 17:26:14 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 11, 2018 17:26:14 GMT 1, Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual? The Republic of Ireland is not "another country". ย People living in Northern Ireland are Irish whether they like to think they are or not. ย If you look at this objectively (i.e. outside the Brexit argument) it seems absurd to me that a small island is cut in half with different rules and regulations between the two. ย No wonder there is so much discord and unrest in the country; now and in the past. ย Brexit has only thrown the problem up in to the cold hard light of day. ย The DUP (and others) need to wake up and face reality.
Wut?
Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual? The Republic of Ireland is not "another country". ย People living in Northern Ireland are Irish whether they like to think they are or not. ย If you look at this objectively (i.e. outside the Brexit argument) it seems absurd to me that a small island is cut in half with different rules and regulations between the two. ย No wonder there is so much discord and unrest in the country; now and in the past. ย Brexit has only thrown the problem up in to the cold hard light of day. ย The DUP (and others) need to wake up and face reality. Wut? |
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Brexit
Dec 11, 2018 17:46:48 GMT 1
Brexit, by irl1 on Dec 11, 2018 17:46:48 GMT 1, Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual? The Republic of Ireland is not "another country". People living in Northern Ireland are Irish whether they like to think they are or not. If you look at this objectively (i.e. outside the Brexit argument) it seems absurd to me that a small island is cut in half with different rules and regulations between the two. No wonder there is so much discord and unrest in the country; now and in the past. Brexit has only thrown the problem up in to the cold hard light of day. The DUP (and others) need to wake up and face reality.
Not sure if serious but i think I'm reading a second person suggesting that the UK hand over territory and all those living in it, to another country, without question or query about what those living there want, in order to secure Brexit. What the actual? The Republic of Ireland is not "another country". People living in Northern Ireland are Irish whether they like to think they are or not. If you look at this objectively (i.e. outside the Brexit argument) it seems absurd to me that a small island is cut in half with different rules and regulations between the two. No wonder there is so much discord and unrest in the country; now and in the past. Brexit has only thrown the problem up in to the cold hard light of day. The DUP (and others) need to wake up and face reality. Aw and i was only just getting used to the peace |
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