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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 12:14:39 GMT 1, And there's a full catalogue of other artists to validate the guide prices against. Nothing looks too low for the other artists I follow
And there's a full catalogue of other artists to validate the guide prices against. Nothing looks too low for the other artists I follow
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 12:30:56 GMT 1, I don't need to review the catalogue. The point I'm making is that the hammer is always far more relevant in determining market value than the estimate.
I don't need to review the catalogue. The point I'm making is that the hammer is always far more relevant in determining market value than the estimate.
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 12:33:29 GMT 1, You also keep referencing other works that form the basis for your conclusions -- let's see them.
You also keep referencing other works that form the basis for your conclusions -- let's see them.
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 12:46:38 GMT 1, I don't need to review the catalogue. The point I'm making is that the hammer is always far more relevant in determining market value than the estimate.
Hmm in some scenarios, never charity auctions.
You asked for substance and the catalogue does actually do that. The guide prices set by stolen for all the different prices are fair market prices for the work listed, including for the CH piece.
One charity sale exceeded estimate doesn't change the market for the artist.
Well if it does not by informed buyers.
OP/MLA do you have other recent sales to support the value on this? Interested now because you demanded myself to substatiate my comments, how do you substatiate yours?
Thank
I don't need to review the catalogue. The point I'm making is that the hammer is always far more relevant in determining market value than the estimate. Hmm in some scenarios, never charity auctions. You asked for substance and the catalogue does actually do that. The guide prices set by stolen for all the different prices are fair market prices for the work listed, including for the CH piece. One charity sale exceeded estimate doesn't change the market for the artist. Well if it does not by informed buyers. OP/MLA do you have other recent sales to support the value on this? Interested now because you demanded myself to substatiate my comments, how do you substatiate yours? Thank |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 12:50:20 GMT 1, You also keep referencing other works that form the basis for your conclusions -- let's see them.
I've shown what I base my price on. Can you and the OP substantiate your 'expertise' mentioned a few times already at all?
You also keep referencing other works that form the basis for your conclusions -- let's see them. I've shown what I base my price on. Can you and the OP substantiate your 'expertise' mentioned a few times already at all? |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 12:59:42 GMT 1, I have not made any assertions about the price in this thread. All I've done is asked you to support the ones that you have made, as they could have a potentially detrimental impact on the original poster's ability to sell the work in question.
This line inquiry has already demonstrated that you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so it serves it's purpose, in that no one will view your comments as being from a credible source.
Best of luck with the sale, disappointed.
I have not made any assertions about the price in this thread. All I've done is asked you to support the ones that you have made, as they could have a potentially detrimental impact on the original poster's ability to sell the work in question. This line inquiry has already demonstrated that you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so it serves it's purpose, in that no one will view your comments as being from a credible source. Best of luck with the sale, disappointed. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 13:12:12 GMT 1, I have not made any assertions about the price in this thread. All I've done is asked you to support the ones that you have made, as they could have a potentially detrimental impact on the original poster's ability to sell the work in question. This line inquiry has already demonstrated that you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so it serves it's purpose, in that no one will view your comments as being from a credible source. Best of luck with the sale, disappointed.
Summary:
Drawing is not a finished painting and has a high price.
Stolen space priced a finished and rarer oil painting at ยฃ5k only 2months ago.
Agg from trolly member who doesn't agree.
End.
I have not made any assertions about the price in this thread. All I've done is asked you to support the ones that you have made, as they could have a potentially detrimental impact on the original poster's ability to sell the work in question. This line inquiry has already demonstrated that you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so it serves it's purpose, in that no one will view your comments as being from a credible source. Best of luck with the sale, disappointed. Summary: Drawing is not a finished painting and has a high price. Stolen space priced a finished and rarer oil painting at ยฃ5k only 2months ago. Agg from trolly member who doesn't agree. End. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by shygetshigh83 on Jul 13, 2017 13:23:39 GMT 1, Where do you think to find a CH original oil on canvas (small dimension) at ยฃ5k?? Dream on boy...
This sketch is really beautiful, good luck with the sale @disappointed
Where do you think to find a CH original oil on canvas (small dimension) at ยฃ5k?? Dream on boy...
This sketch is really beautiful, good luck with the sale @disappointed
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 13:44:11 GMT 1, Where do you think to find a CH original oil on canvas (small dimension) at ยฃ5k?? Dream on boy... This sketch is really beautiful, good luck with the sale @disappointed
I'm not a boy. But thanks for being weird about it.
If anyone can show recent pricing then fine. I'm only going by what I've seen from galleries- not what I wish for.
At the end of the day.. if it's priced right It will sell......
Where do you think to find a CH original oil on canvas (small dimension) at ยฃ5k?? Dream on boy... This sketch is really beautiful, good luck with the sale @disappointed I'm not a boy. But thanks for being weird about it. If anyone can show recent pricing then fine. I'm only going by what I've seen from galleries- not what I wish for. At the end of the day.. if it's priced right It will sell...... |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 13:46:11 GMT 1, Summary: Drawing is not a finished painting and has a high price. Stolen space priced a finished and rarer oil painting at ยฃ5k only 2months ago. Agg from trolly member who doesn't agree. End. The oil painting is a 'morning glory' study. They're studies for larger paintings, not finished pieces. They're also not worth 5k. If you can find me one for 5k, I'll give you a few k for your troubles.
It's not a study. He said if you wanted studies this is a smaller piece so might suit.
Summary: Drawing is not a finished painting and has a high price. Stolen space priced a finished and rarer oil painting at ยฃ5k only 2months ago. Agg from trolly member who doesn't agree. End. The oil painting is a 'morning glory' study. They're studies for larger paintings, not finished pieces. They're also not worth 5k. If you can find me one for 5k, I'll give you a few k for your troubles. It's not a study. He said if you wanted studies this is a smaller piece so might suit. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 13:51:26 GMT 1, It's not a study. He said if you wanted studies this is a smaller piece so might suit. Morning glories: "A few years ago in the months before Weekend Warriors, my 2nd solo show at Laz, I set myself a task each morning of doing a quick study before getting on with the larger canvases, kinda like stretching before going for a jog. And thatโs exactly how the large paintings feel sometimes, like running a marathon, so its nice to bang out a few loose pieces to get myself going. I set my stopwatch (not saying for how long) and get going. It makes me make decisions I wouldnโt normally take, if I f**kup thereโs nothing I can do about it."
Read the instagram post. This isn't one of those studies. That was most definately a finished piece, he described it as a piece not a study. And you can tell just by looking at it.
It's not a study. He said if you wanted studies this is a smaller piece so might suit. Morning glories: "A few years ago in the months before Weekend Warriors, my 2nd solo show at Laz, I set myself a task each morning of doing a quick study before getting on with the larger canvases, kinda like stretching before going for a jog. And thatโs exactly how the large paintings feel sometimes, like running a marathon, so its nice to bang out a few loose pieces to get myself going. I set my stopwatch (not saying for how long) and get going. It makes me make decisions I wouldnโt normally take, if I f**kup thereโs nothing I can do about it." Read the instagram post. This isn't one of those studies. That was most definately a finished piece, he described it as a piece not a study. And you can tell just by looking at it. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 13:57:49 GMT 1, Morning glories: "A few years ago in the months before Weekend Warriors, my 2nd solo show at Laz, I set myself a task each morning of doing a quick study before getting on with the larger canvases, kinda like stretching before going for a jog. And thatโs exactly how the large paintings feel sometimes, like running a marathon, so its nice to bang out a few loose pieces to get myself going. I set my stopwatch (not saying for how long) and get going. It makes me make decisions I wouldnโt normally take, if I f**kup thereโs nothing I can do about it." Read the instagram post. This isn't one of those studies. That was most definately a finished piece, he described it as a piece not a study. And you can tell just by looking at it.
Okay ah I see it is a 'study' but not in the unfinished prep sketch sense of the drawing. It's a finished piece.
Morning glories: "A few years ago in the months before Weekend Warriors, my 2nd solo show at Laz, I set myself a task each morning of doing a quick study before getting on with the larger canvases, kinda like stretching before going for a jog. And thatโs exactly how the large paintings feel sometimes, like running a marathon, so its nice to bang out a few loose pieces to get myself going. I set my stopwatch (not saying for how long) and get going. It makes me make decisions I wouldnโt normally take, if I f**kup thereโs nothing I can do about it." Read the instagram post. This isn't one of those studies. That was most definately a finished piece, he described it as a piece not a study. And you can tell just by looking at it. Okay ah I see it is a 'study' but not in the unfinished prep sketch sense of the drawing. It's a finished piece. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by shygetshigh83 on Jul 13, 2017 13:59:42 GMT 1, Where do you think to find a CH original oil on canvas (small dimension) at ยฃ5k?? Dream on boy... This sketch is really beautiful, good luck with the sale @disappointed I'm not a boy. But thanks for being weird about it. If anyone can show recent pricing then fine. I'm only going by what I've seen from galleries- not what I wish for. At the end of the day.. if it's priced right It will sell......
You're not a boy but a dreamer..
Did you understand that 5k was the previous estimation??? This piece sold at 16k mate!!!
Where do you think to find a CH original oil on canvas (small dimension) at ยฃ5k?? Dream on boy... This sketch is really beautiful, good luck with the sale @disappointed I'm not a boy. But thanks for being weird about it. If anyone can show recent pricing then fine. I'm only going by what I've seen from galleries- not what I wish for. At the end of the day.. if it's priced right It will sell...... You're not a boy but a dreamer.. Did you understand that 5k was the previous estimation??? This piece sold at 16k mate!!! |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 14:04:00 GMT 1, Only someone who is mentally deficient would assert a value of ยฃ5000, then reference a piece that sold for more than 3 times as much and think they've proven their point.
The onus is on your to support your value. You've asked others to provide support for their claims, however, those claims amount to nothing more than "you will you not find a similar piece for ยฃ5000", which is a negative claim, that I would argue has already been proven by way of the lack of evidence for your initial assertion.
Arguing with you is a fools errand.
In the interest of contributing some actual evidence to the discussion, I would include these two Morning Glory studies auctioned at Artcurial in October of 2016, which both sold for โฌ11,700 including buyer's premium.
Only someone who is mentally deficient would assert a value of ยฃ5000, then reference a piece that sold for more than 3 times as much and think they've proven their point. The onus is on your to support your value. You've asked others to provide support for their claims, however, those claims amount to nothing more than "you will you not find a similar piece for ยฃ5000", which is a negative claim, that I would argue has already been proven by way of the lack of evidence for your initial assertion. Arguing with you is a fools errand. In the interest of contributing some actual evidence to the discussion, I would include these two Morning Glory studies auctioned at Artcurial in October of 2016, which both sold for โฌ11,700 including buyer's premium. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 14:05:10 GMT 1, I'm not a boy. But thanks for being weird about it. If anyone can show recent pricing then fine. I'm only going by what I've seen from galleries- not what I wish for. At the end of the day.. if it's priced right It will sell...... You're not a boy but a dreamer.. Did you understand that 5k was the previous estimation??? This piece sold at 16k mate!!!
Charity sale. Do you understand that? We're going round in circles here
I'm not a boy. But thanks for being weird about it. If anyone can show recent pricing then fine. I'm only going by what I've seen from galleries- not what I wish for. At the end of the day.. if it's priced right It will sell...... You're not a boy but a dreamer.. Did you understand that 5k was the previous estimation??? This piece sold at 16k mate!!! [ Charity sale. Do you understand that? We're going round in circles here |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 14:06:09 GMT 1, Only someone who is mentally deficient would assert a value of ยฃ5000, then reference a piece that sold for more than 3 times as much and think they've proven their point. The onus is on your to support your value. You've asked others to provide support for their claims, however, those claims amount to nothing more than "you will you not find a similar piece for ยฃ5000", which is a negative claim, that I would argue has already been proven by way of the lack of evidence for your initial assertion. Arguing with you is a fools errand. In the interest of contributing some actual evidence to the discussion, I would include these two Morning Glory studies auctioned at Artcurial in October of 2016, which both sold for ยฃ11,700 including buyer's premium.
These aren't far off are they. Definately proves my point
Only someone who is mentally deficient would assert a value of ยฃ5000, then reference a piece that sold for more than 3 times as much and think they've proven their point. The onus is on your to support your value. You've asked others to provide support for their claims, however, those claims amount to nothing more than "you will you not find a similar piece for ยฃ5000", which is a negative claim, that I would argue has already been proven by way of the lack of evidence for your initial assertion. Arguing with you is a fools errand. In the interest of contributing some actual evidence to the discussion, I would include these two Morning Glory studies auctioned at Artcurial in October of 2016, which both sold for ยฃ11,700 including buyer's premium. [be These aren't far off are they. Definately proves my point |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 14:08:12 GMT 1, Definately proves my point
Definately proves my point |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 14:12:14 GMT 1, Definately proves my point
The hammer price for these is less than what he OP is asking for and not much more than ยฃ5k.
These a USD not GBP aren't they?
So three finished oil paintings between 5-6k.
This drawing is overpriced.
Thanks.. Team work!
Definately proves my point The hammer price for these is less than what he OP is asking for and not much more than ยฃ5k. These a USD not GBP aren't they? So three finished oil paintings between 5-6k. This drawing is overpriced. Thanks.. Team work! |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 14:16:48 GMT 1, The prices are in Euro.
โฌ11,700 = ยฃ10,319 = $13,355
The prices are in Euro.
โฌ11,700 = ยฃ10,319 = $13,355
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 14:30:04 GMT 1, The prices are in Euro. โฌ11,700 = ยฃ10,319 = $13,355
Why would you use buyers premium when that's not relevant to the forum?
The prices are in Euro. โฌ11,700 = ยฃ10,319 = $13,355 Why would you use buyers premium when that's not relevant to the forum? |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by mla on Jul 13, 2017 14:37:08 GMT 1, The buyers premium is a component of the total price paid by the buyer.
The buyers premium is a component of the total price paid by the buyer.
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 14:43:48 GMT 1, The buyers premium is a component of the total price paid by the buyer.
To an auction house, to cover their fees. Looks this comes down to people paying what they want to pay.. personally on a forum I wouldn't want to match a price that includes the overheads and margin for an auction house but you might. And I would want a fair market price. Everyone's different. Enjoy if you do buy it MLA.
The buyers premium is a component of the total price paid by the buyer. To an auction house, to cover their fees. Looks this comes down to people paying what they want to pay.. personally on a forum I wouldn't want to match a price that includes the overheads and margin for an auction house but you might. And I would want a fair market price. Everyone's different. Enjoy if you do buy it MLA. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by erik on Jul 13, 2017 15:09:01 GMT 1, Please stop.
OP, hope you find a nice new home for your CH.
Please stop.
OP, hope you find a nice new home for your CH.
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by shygetshigh83 on Jul 13, 2017 21:23:45 GMT 1, The buyers premium is a component of the total price paid by the buyer. To an auction house, to cover their fees. Looks this comes down to people paying what they want to pay.. personally on a forum I wouldn't want to match a price that includes the overheads and margin for an auction house but you might. And I would want a fair market price. Everyone's different. Enjoy if you do buy it MLA.
C'mon mate move over.. you already spent so much useless words ! Hope this wonderful drawing will find his home soon, it's really tempting
The buyers premium is a component of the total price paid by the buyer. To an auction house, to cover their fees. Looks this comes down to people paying what they want to pay.. personally on a forum I wouldn't want to match a price that includes the overheads and margin for an auction house but you might. And I would want a fair market price. Everyone's different. Enjoy if you do buy it MLA. C'mon mate move over.. you already spent so much useless words ! Hope this wonderful drawing will find his home soon, it's really tempting |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by loveart10000 on Jul 13, 2017 21:37:06 GMT 1, To an auction house, to cover their fees. Looks this comes down to people paying what they want to pay.. personally on a forum I wouldn't want to match a price that includes the overheads and margin for an auction house but you might. And I would want a fair market price. Everyone's different. Enjoy if you do buy it MLA. C'mon mate move over.. you already spent so much useless words ! Hope this wonderful drawing will find his home soon, it's really tempting
It was six hours ago. Stop flagging my posts pls.
To an auction house, to cover their fees. Looks this comes down to people paying what they want to pay.. personally on a forum I wouldn't want to match a price that includes the overheads and margin for an auction house but you might. And I would want a fair market price. Everyone's different. Enjoy if you do buy it MLA. C'mon mate move over.. you already spent so much useless words ! Hope this wonderful drawing will find his home soon, it's really tempting It was six hours ago. Stop flagging my posts pls. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by John The Badgers on Jul 14, 2017 19:15:27 GMT 1, It is a lovely item from a very talented artist.
It is a lovely item from a very talented artist.
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 12:14:56 GMT 1, disappointed Would you be kind enough to respond to my PM? or is this sold?
disappointed Would you be kind enough to respond to my PM? or is this sold?
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by met on Jul 17, 2017 7:33:11 GMT 1, Anyone interested in this piece can have total reliance on the seller and his knowledge of his art. He has been a long standing collector and I would trust his judgement in relation to this piece. Also whoever buys this piece can be assured of the integrity of the seller and that any deal will be handled with due care and honesty.
All good and well, but what is with the seller's gimp outfit?
It isn't very reassuring. I saw what happened to Marsellus Wallace in Zed and Maynard's basement. The damage was probably long-lasting, including PTSD.
Because just look at Wallace now โ playing action-movie lackey roles to a creepy, hysteria-prone Scientologist, who calls interviewers "glib" and jumps up on talk-show sofas declaring he's in love.
Anyone interested in this piece can have total reliance on the seller and his knowledge of his art. He has been a long standing collector and I would trust his judgement in relation to this piece. Also whoever buys this piece can be assured of the integrity of the seller and that any deal will be handled with due care and honesty. All good and well, but what is with the seller's gimp outfit? It isn't very reassuring. I saw what happened to Marsellus Wallace in Zed and Maynard's basement. The damage was probably long-lasting, including PTSD. Because just look at Wallace now โ playing action-movie lackey roles to a creepy, hysteria-prone Scientologist, who calls interviewers "glib" and jumps up on talk-show sofas declaring he's in love. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by disappointed on Jul 17, 2017 13:12:03 GMT 1, disappointed Would you be kind enough to respond to my PM? or is this sold?
As I informed you yesterday, I am currently out of the country on business and, as such, have very little time to read this thread. It doesn't help that the ancient forum software does not allow responses to be flagged to the OP.
disappointed Would you be kind enough to respond to my PM? or is this sold? As I informed you yesterday, I am currently out of the country on business and, as such, have very little time to read this thread. It doesn't help that the ancient forum software does not allow responses to be flagged to the OP. |
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Conor Harrington Drawing FS, by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 13:54:52 GMT 1, disappointed Would you be kind enough to respond to my PM? or is this sold? As I informed you yesterday, I am currently out of the country on business and, as such, have very little time to read this thread. It doesn't help that the ancient forum software does not allow responses to be flagged to the OP.
No worries. My ask was posted prior to any response from you. Was just trying to make sure that you saw the PM as I don't always see them myself. All good. ๐
disappointed Would you be kind enough to respond to my PM? or is this sold? As I informed you yesterday, I am currently out of the country on business and, as such, have very little time to read this thread. It doesn't help that the ancient forum software does not allow responses to be flagged to the OP. No worries. My ask was posted prior to any response from you. Was just trying to make sure that you saw the PM as I don't always see them myself. All good. ๐ |
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