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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Poster Bob on Jul 12, 2017 14:14:25 GMT 1, Way to compare an apple to an orange.
A guy named Lazrides did pretty well for an artist from Bristol. Must have missed the Gagosian show? Good thing his career never took off :-)
Way to compare an apple to an orange. A guy named Lazrides did pretty well for an artist from Bristol. Must have missed the Gagosian show? Good thing his career never took off :-) |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by sweetmimsy on Jul 12, 2017 15:03:14 GMT 1, the guy can paint/draw but the "meaning" that so many look for in his work is as subtle as a brick through the window.
I was at his show and whilst some was brilliant (the riot shields) some other bits (the spilled paint on the floor) wouldn't have looked out of place at a 6th form exhibition.
the guy can paint/draw but the "meaning" that so many look for in his work is as subtle as a brick through the window.
I was at his show and whilst some was brilliant (the riot shields) some other bits (the spilled paint on the floor) wouldn't have looked out of place at a 6th form exhibition.
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by pada1 on Jul 12, 2017 15:18:56 GMT 1, I guess you can't get a hit every time. Same for all artists.
I still believe Pejac diserve credits for his body of work and his many approaches.
I guess you can't get a hit every time. Same for all artists.
I still believe Pejac diserve credits for his body of work and his many approaches.
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:47:40 GMT 1, I bet Pejac and Max are getting sweaty hands from this thread...
I bet they are not. This will sell out in 20 seconds
I bet Pejac and Max are getting sweaty hands from this thread... I bet they are not. This will sell out in 20 seconds |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by raphyki55 on Jul 12, 2017 15:48:22 GMT 1, I bet Pejac and Max are getting sweaty hands from this thread... I bet they are not. This will sell out in 20 seconds
Agree
I bet Pejac and Max are getting sweaty hands from this thread... I bet they are not. This will sell out in 20 seconds Agree |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by overend on Jul 12, 2017 16:45:16 GMT 1, Clearly, if you know the artist he is known! However, he's not well known in the art world. He's never had a show at any major gallery or museum. Nor is his work regularly consigned to major auction houses. He is most definitely a talent, but has not made it yet outside of a niche group of collectors. letisss: critics tend to bring up these arguments again and again and I would really like to understand these points. could you explain what difference it would make a) if a major gallery would stage a pejac show and b) if major auction houses would sell his works? his editions usually are sold out within minutes as was his london show (sold out before the private viewing). I also believe his next show will be sold out pre-show start - even with probably higher prices and doing it on their own. and second question regarding the non existing auction consignments: who in their right mind would sell his pejac original at this early stage of pejac's career? in my opinion this shows that collectors believe in the artist, love to look at the originals on their walls and can't be bothered to make a quick profit through an auction.
Just to correct the above it is incorrect to say that the London show sold out before the preview.
Clearly, if you know the artist he is known! However, he's not well known in the art world. He's never had a show at any major gallery or museum. Nor is his work regularly consigned to major auction houses. He is most definitely a talent, but has not made it yet outside of a niche group of collectors. letisss: critics tend to bring up these arguments again and again and I would really like to understand these points. could you explain what difference it would make a) if a major gallery would stage a pejac show and b) if major auction houses would sell his works? his editions usually are sold out within minutes as was his london show (sold out before the private viewing). I also believe his next show will be sold out pre-show start - even with probably higher prices and doing it on their own. and second question regarding the non existing auction consignments: who in their right mind would sell his pejac original at this early stage of pejac's career? in my opinion this shows that collectors believe in the artist, love to look at the originals on their walls and can't be bothered to make a quick profit through an auction. Just to correct the above it is incorrect to say that the London show sold out before the preview. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by sircoxson on Jul 12, 2017 16:48:20 GMT 1, letisss: critics tend to bring up these arguments again and again and I would really like to understand these points. could you explain what difference it would make a) if a major gallery would stage a pejac show and b) if major auction houses would sell his works? his editions usually are sold out within minutes as was his london show (sold out before the private viewing). I also believe his next show will be sold out pre-show start - even with probably higher prices and doing it on their own. and second question regarding the non existing auction consignments: who in their right mind would sell his pejac original at this early stage of pejac's career? in my opinion this shows that collectors believe in the artist, love to look at the originals on their walls and can't be bothered to make a quick profit through an auction. Just to correct the above it is incorrect to say that the London show sold out before the preview.
you are right. IIRC sold out but one painting. plus the helmet, the bear traps, the pony and the whale?
letisss: critics tend to bring up these arguments again and again and I would really like to understand these points. could you explain what difference it would make a) if a major gallery would stage a pejac show and b) if major auction houses would sell his works? his editions usually are sold out within minutes as was his london show (sold out before the private viewing). I also believe his next show will be sold out pre-show start - even with probably higher prices and doing it on their own. and second question regarding the non existing auction consignments: who in their right mind would sell his pejac original at this early stage of pejac's career? in my opinion this shows that collectors believe in the artist, love to look at the originals on their walls and can't be bothered to make a quick profit through an auction. Just to correct the above it is incorrect to say that the London show sold out before the preview. you are right. IIRC sold out but one painting. plus the helmet, the bear traps, the pony and the whale? |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by overend on Jul 12, 2017 16:58:31 GMT 1, Just to correct the above it is incorrect to say that the London show sold out before the preview. you are right. IIRC sold out but one painting. plus the helmet, the bear traps, the pony and the whale?
A couple more I believe but that's about right and I seem to recall that the helmet was still unsold on the day the show closed.
Just to correct the above it is incorrect to say that the London show sold out before the preview. you are right. IIRC sold out but one painting. plus the helmet, the bear traps, the pony and the whale? A couple more I believe but that's about right and I seem to recall that the helmet was still unsold on the day the show closed. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Rouen Cathedral on Jul 12, 2017 23:11:01 GMT 1, The more I look at this I'm disappointed in the concept.
I feel like I've seen tens of artworks with a figure turning into birds.
The more I look at this I'm disappointed in the concept.
I feel like I've seen tens of artworks with a figure turning into birds.
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by phischa on Jul 13, 2017 7:48:45 GMT 1, The more I look at this I'm disappointed in the concept. I feel like I've seen tens of artworks with a figure turning into birds.
The more I look at this I'm disappointed in the concept. I feel like I've seen tens of artworks with a figure turning into birds. That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 8:07:53 GMT 1, That's because you don't know the artist. Any person who knows him knows the image. He isn't unknown. Price may be expensive for you...it will be cheap for others. Clearly, if you know the artist he is known! However, he's not well known in the art world. He's never had a show at any major gallery or museum. Nor is his work regularly consigned to major auction houses. He is most definitely a talent, but has not made it yet outside of a niche group of collectors.
patience. His team are managing his career very carefully. The next show will be very interesting. Time will prove him to be a great
That's because you don't know the artist. Any person who knows him knows the image. He isn't unknown. Price may be expensive for you...it will be cheap for others. Clearly, if you know the artist he is known! However, he's not well known in the art world. He's never had a show at any major gallery or museum. Nor is his work regularly consigned to major auction houses. He is most definitely a talent, but has not made it yet outside of a niche group of collectors. patience. His team are managing his career very carefully. The next show will be very interesting. Time will prove him to be a great |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by sircoxson on Jul 13, 2017 8:22:39 GMT 1, The more I look at this I'm disappointed in the concept. I feel like I've seen tens of artworks with a figure turning into birds. That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though
I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010).
so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010?
surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years...
full disclosure: I might be biased.
The more I look at this I'm disappointed in the concept. I feel like I've seen tens of artworks with a figure turning into birds. That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by overend on Jul 13, 2017 8:43:23 GMT 1, That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased.
You do set yourself up for a fall www.ukstreetart.co.uk/eelus-raven-haired-print-available-at-electrik-sheep/
That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased. You do set yourself up for a fall www.ukstreetart.co.uk/eelus-raven-haired-print-available-at-electrik-sheep/ |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by sircoxson on Jul 13, 2017 9:01:20 GMT 1,
touche, that is one.
I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept?
touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept? |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by phischa on Jul 13, 2017 9:02:00 GMT 1, That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased.
That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased. I'm not saying he's copying a certain artist, the image is just unimaginative as the the concept of "something is transforming into birds" is old hat. Just google "tranforming into birds" and you'll see what I mean. Just my 2 Cents. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by overend on Jul 13, 2017 9:10:10 GMT 1, touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept?
That was the first one that came to mind. There are images of a feather turning into birds that I've seen as tattoos.
Not saying that the artist has copied anything. For the record I think he's a great artist. I know you have a fantastic collection of his work. Very envious but just trying to correct some things on this thread that are blatantly untrue.
touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept? That was the first one that came to mind. There are images of a feather turning into birds that I've seen as tattoos. Not saying that the artist has copied anything. For the record I think he's a great artist. I know you have a fantastic collection of his work. Very envious but just trying to correct some things on this thread that are blatantly untrue. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by sircoxson on Jul 13, 2017 9:14:01 GMT 1, touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept? That was the first one that came to mind. There are images of a feather turning into birds that I've seen as tattoos. Not saying that the artist has copied anything. For the record I think he's a great artist. I know you have a fantastic collection of his work. Very envious but just trying to correct some things on this thread that are blatantly untrue.
I appreciate this, I am always open to corrections and eager to learn more about art.
touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept? That was the first one that came to mind. There are images of a feather turning into birds that I've seen as tattoos. Not saying that the artist has copied anything. For the record I think he's a great artist. I know you have a fantastic collection of his work. Very envious but just trying to correct some things on this thread that are blatantly untrue. I appreciate this, I am always open to corrections and eager to learn more about art. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by highflyer on Jul 13, 2017 9:16:00 GMT 1, touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept? That was the first one that came to mind. There are images of a feather turning into birds that I've seen as tattoos. Not saying that the artist has copied anything. For the record I think he's a great artist. I know you have a fantastic collection of his work. Very envious but just trying to correct some things on this thread that are blatantly untrue.
Thanks for the corrections and all your efforts
touche, that is one. I am not monitoring the whole market since 2000, so were there more of this concept? That was the first one that came to mind. There are images of a feather turning into birds that I've seen as tattoos. Not saying that the artist has copied anything. For the record I think he's a great artist. I know you have a fantastic collection of his work. Very envious but just trying to correct some things on this thread that are blatantly untrue. Thanks for the corrections and all your efforts |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by highflyer on Jul 13, 2017 9:17:08 GMT 1, I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased. I'm not saying he's copying a certain artist, the image is just unimaginative as the the concept of "something is transforming into birds" is old hat. Just google "tranforming into birds" and you'll see what I mean. Just my 2 Cents.
But it's not just "something" turning into birds. Clearly you miss the point entirely so I understand why it's not your bag.
I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased. I'm not saying he's copying a certain artist, the image is just unimaginative as the the concept of "something is transforming into birds" is old hat. Just google "tranforming into birds" and you'll see what I mean. Just my 2 Cents. But it's not just "something" turning into birds. Clearly you miss the point entirely so I understand why it's not your bag. |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Fake on Jul 13, 2017 9:21:00 GMT 1, That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased.
urbanartassociation.com/thread/30768
That's exactly what I thought. The concept has been used over and over again. He's an amazing artist, no doubt, the image is unimaginative in comparison to other works though I see this different. imho the scattercrow is one of pejac's iconic pieces since it was one of his first "street interventions" (salamanca, 2010). so I assume it's not that he was inspired by tens of other artists - can anyone show examples of figures turning into birds btw pre 2010? surely there are other images that were worthy of a print release, so I am looking forward to the next years... full disclosure: I might be biased. Yes, Eelus did one in 2007 / 2008 " Raven Haired" urbanartassociation.com/thread/30768 |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Viking Surfer on Jul 13, 2017 11:04:05 GMT 1, I've been in two minds about this release.
Love the imagery, would have preferred the birds flying the other way like the original. Maybe Pejac didn't think about tackling the drawing of it in reverse with the tusche on the limestone (as all lithos / etchings etc have to be drawn backwards due to the pull being mirrored).
Either way, it is still lovely and I love the message behind it. I don't think you can compare it with Eelus's work or any other artist using the transformation of birds for that matter. They're telling a completely different story.
I think I'll be giving it a miss Friday though, I don't need another print for the wall and I'll let another collector have the opportunity to get one.
I've been in two minds about this release.
Love the imagery, would have preferred the birds flying the other way like the original. Maybe Pejac didn't think about tackling the drawing of it in reverse with the tusche on the limestone (as all lithos / etchings etc have to be drawn backwards due to the pull being mirrored).
Either way, it is still lovely and I love the message behind it. I don't think you can compare it with Eelus's work or any other artist using the transformation of birds for that matter. They're telling a completely different story.
I think I'll be giving it a miss Friday though, I don't need another print for the wall and I'll let another collector have the opportunity to get one.
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by artepersfizio on Jul 13, 2017 16:29:42 GMT 1, FWIW, I was aware of Raven Haired by Eelus, and didn't make the connection.
FWIW, I was aware of Raven Haired by Eelus, and didn't make the connection.
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by raphyki55 on Jul 13, 2017 17:51:04 GMT 1, Wow you're all going very far in reflexion but that's the point no ? 
Pejac has always followed simple rules:
-black and white colors / or one color more (wound, seppuku and heavy sea)
-small size ed (under 100) except for linea
-hidden and/or obvious message through the picture (best part, some complex messages, that lead to a debate)
-few public release
This is the shape of a great artist imo
About the price, it can be justified by the technique / anti flip / ongoing rate of the artist
I'll try my shot tmrw, good luck everybody
Wow you're all going very far in reflexion but that's the point no ? Pejac has always followed simple rules: -black and white colors / or one color more (wound, seppuku and heavy sea) -small size ed (under 100) except for linea -hidden and/or obvious message through the picture (best part, some complex messages, that lead to a debate) -few public release This is the shape of a great artist imo About the price, it can be justified by the technique / anti flip / ongoing rate of the artist I'll try my shot tmrw, good luck everybody |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Jul 13, 2017 18:02:29 GMT 1, Just being a bit of a nosey parker - who is going for one of these tomorrow?
Just being a bit of a nosey parker - who is going for one of these tomorrow?
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by artepersfizio on Jul 13, 2017 18:26:36 GMT 1, I will likely try for one..
I will likely try for one..
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by sugar72 on Jul 13, 2017 18:32:22 GMT 1, Was but now waiting to see what uldalen pieces will appear tomorrow!!
Was but now waiting to see what uldalen pieces will appear tomorrow!!
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 18:38:44 GMT 1, This eelus print is so different to the pejac print the reference makes little sense to me.. There is something interesting in this pejac work. The scarecrow being made of crows is nice. I mean let's be honest we could take 99.9% off all art and say it's similar or taking inspiration from another but I get nothing from a girl who's hair is made of birds, but a scarecrow made of crows.. yeah I like the idea, it's the exact opposite of what should be happening. Rocket science? No . The best concept I've seen? No better than pretty much everything else out there? Yes
This eelus print is so different to the pejac print the reference makes little sense to me.. There is something interesting in this pejac work. The scarecrow being made of crows is nice. I mean let's be honest we could take 99.9% off all art and say it's similar or taking inspiration from another but I get nothing from a girl who's hair is made of birds, but a scarecrow made of crows.. yeah I like the idea, it's the exact opposite of what should be happening. Rocket science? No . The best concept I've seen? No better than pretty much everything else out there? Yes
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by WOOF on Jul 13, 2017 18:49:44 GMT 1, This eelus print is so different to the pejac print the reference makes little sense to me.. There is something interesting in this pejac work. The scarecrow being made of crows is nice. I mean let's be honest we could take 99.9% off all art and say it's similar or taking inspiration from another but I get nothing from a girl who's hair is made of birds, but a scarecrow made of crows.. yeah I like the idea, it's the exact opposite of what should be happening. Rocket science? No . The best concept I've seen? No better than pretty much everything else out there? Yes
I wholeheartedly disagree with that last point. The image is ok at best. It reminds me a lot of banksy in that it speaks to the lowest common denominator. Super simple image without much meaning behind it.
I bet if everyone on this forum took a week and just thought about random image juxtapositions, they could easily best the idea of this image. Maybe not the execution, but absolutely the idea. It's just not that hard. I work in advertising and do things like that all day long. Any number of people I work with could be banksy if they cared to be.
just sayin...
This eelus print is so different to the pejac print the reference makes little sense to me.. There is something interesting in this pejac work. The scarecrow being made of crows is nice. I mean let's be honest we could take 99.9% off all art and say it's similar or taking inspiration from another but I get nothing from a girl who's hair is made of birds, but a scarecrow made of crows.. yeah I like the idea, it's the exact opposite of what should be happening. Rocket science? No . The best concept I've seen? No better than pretty much everything else out there? Yes I wholeheartedly disagree with that last point. The image is ok at best. It reminds me a lot of banksy in that it speaks to the lowest common denominator. Super simple image without much meaning behind it. I bet if everyone on this forum took a week and just thought about random image juxtapositions, they could easily best the idea of this image. Maybe not the execution, but absolutely the idea. It's just not that hard. I work in advertising and do things like that all day long. Any number of people I work with could be banksy if they cared to be. just sayin... |
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Pejac - Scattercrow print, by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 18:53:59 GMT 1, This eelus print is so different to the pejac print the reference makes little sense to me.. There is something interesting in this pejac work. The scarecrow being made of crows is nice. I mean let's be honest we could take 99.9% off all art and say it's similar or taking inspiration from another but I get nothing from a girl who's hair is made of birds, but a scarecrow made of crows.. yeah I like the idea, it's the exact opposite of what should be happening. Rocket science? No . The best concept I've seen? No better than pretty much everything else out there? Yes I wholeheartedly disagree with that last point. The image is ok at best. It reminds me a lot of banksy in that it speaks to the lowest common denominator. Super simple image without much meaning behind it. I bet if everyone on this forum took a week and just thought about random image juxtapositions, they could easily best the idea of this image. Maybe not the execution, but absolutely the idea. It's just not that hard. I work in advertising and do things like that all day long. Any number of people I work with could be banksy if they cared to be. just sayin...
Ahh yes sir! The classic I could have done that (but didn't)
This eelus print is so different to the pejac print the reference makes little sense to me.. There is something interesting in this pejac work. The scarecrow being made of crows is nice. I mean let's be honest we could take 99.9% off all art and say it's similar or taking inspiration from another but I get nothing from a girl who's hair is made of birds, but a scarecrow made of crows.. yeah I like the idea, it's the exact opposite of what should be happening. Rocket science? No . The best concept I've seen? No better than pretty much everything else out there? Yes I wholeheartedly disagree with that last point. The image is ok at best. It reminds me a lot of banksy in that it speaks to the lowest common denominator. Super simple image without much meaning behind it. I bet if everyone on this forum took a week and just thought about random image juxtapositions, they could easily best the idea of this image. Maybe not the execution, but absolutely the idea. It's just not that hard. I work in advertising and do things like that all day long. Any number of people I work with could be banksy if they cared to be. just sayin... Ahh yes sir! The classic I could have done that (but didn't) |
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