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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lroy on Mar 18, 2021 20:25:59 GMT 1, I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Agreed. The various threads today have been glorious for keeping my ‘which members own which prints’ spreadsheets updated.
You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it !
This forum is only about money and taxes.
I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Agreed. The various threads today have been glorious for keeping my ‘which members own which prints’ spreadsheets updated. You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 18, 2021 20:27:23 GMT 1, For transparency I own several Banksy prints including a SE V2.
Not for sale.
For transparency I own several Banksy prints including a SE V2.
Not for sale.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Artyfarty on Mar 18, 2021 20:38:03 GMT 1, Agreed. The various threads today have been glorious for keeping my ‘which members own which prints’ spreadsheets updated. You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes.
Have never got used to how the banksy market continually increases in value.nice to see as I own a few but do not agree with how valuations jump so high.
Agreed. The various threads today have been glorious for keeping my ‘which members own which prints’ spreadsheets updated. You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. Have never got used to how the banksy market continually increases in value.nice to see as I own a few but do not agree with how valuations jump so high.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lunch Special on Mar 18, 2021 20:39:28 GMT 1, Whats going on with the numbers thing i been out the loop?
Same as above NFS.
GLWYS
Whats going on with the numbers thing i been out the loop?
Same as above NFS.
GLWYS
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:40:34 GMT 1, I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value.
Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand.
Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more??
I’m not selling until hits 150k
I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Artyfarty on Mar 18, 2021 20:46:52 GMT 1, Seems like an odd time to cash out, like selling BTC at $1k
One would assume so, not saying this is the case here, but the pandemic has hit many individuals hard, businesses failing, loss of income leads to repossessions etc also with the nhs many surgeries cancelled and people have the option of private care if they can afford the costs especially those waiting for Ivf and cancer treatment with which time is not on their side and can run into tens of thousands of pounds. With the banksy market as it is, for those that need a quick input of cash an easy option to help in a difficult situation and explains why some people do not wait the extra month or two for a big auction house sale
Seems like an odd time to cash out, like selling BTC at $1k One would assume so, not saying this is the case here, but the pandemic has hit many individuals hard, businesses failing, loss of income leads to repossessions etc also with the nhs many surgeries cancelled and people have the option of private care if they can afford the costs especially those waiting for Ivf and cancer treatment with which time is not on their side and can run into tens of thousands of pounds. With the banksy market as it is, for those that need a quick input of cash an easy option to help in a difficult situation and explains why some people do not wait the extra month or two for a big auction house sale
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:54:31 GMT 1, 60k at the moment is probably right for a private sale. There is/was a few available at galleries recently in the 63-67 range. Who knows, Tate Ward and Christie's might adjust the price, but going on the prints history, 60k is probably about right IMO
60k at the moment is probably right for a private sale. There is/was a few available at galleries recently in the 63-67 range. Who knows, Tate Ward and Christie's might adjust the price, but going on the prints history, 60k is probably about right IMO
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by tab1 on Mar 18, 2021 20:55:49 GMT 1, Agreed. The various threads today have been glorious for keeping my ‘which members own which prints’ spreadsheets updated. You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. nice price on the TM😉🙄
Agreed. The various threads today have been glorious for keeping my ‘which members own which prints’ spreadsheets updated. You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. nice price on the TM😉🙄
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:56:07 GMT 1, 60k at the moment is probably right for a private sale. There is/was a few available at galleries recently in the 63-67 range. Who knows, Tate Ward and Christie's might adjust the price, but going on the prints history, 60k is probably about right IMO
150k or no deal
60k at the moment is probably right for a private sale. There is/was a few available at galleries recently in the 63-67 range. Who knows, Tate Ward and Christie's might adjust the price, but going on the prints history, 60k is probably about right IMO 150k or no deal
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:57:55 GMT 1, 60k at the moment is probably right for a private sale. There is/was a few available at galleries recently in the 63-67 range. Who knows, Tate Ward and Christie's might adjust the price, but going on the prints history, 60k is probably about right IMO 150k or no deal
No one is going to pay 150k for many years....if ever...
60k at the moment is probably right for a private sale. There is/was a few available at galleries recently in the 63-67 range. Who knows, Tate Ward and Christie's might adjust the price, but going on the prints history, 60k is probably about right IMO 150k or no deal No one is going to pay 150k for many years....if ever...
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:59:40 GMT 1, No one is going to pay 150k for many years....if ever...
No deal
No one is going to pay 150k for many years....if ever... No deal
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lroy on Mar 18, 2021 20:59:47 GMT 1, You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. Have never got used to how the banksy market continually increases in value.nice to see as I own a few but do not agree with how valuations jump so high. me too, especially for poster, lp, postcards, and tats, well all the Poundlaz stuff !
as I said i don't run for money ( ask members, i Never discuss or discussed even if it woll be sell x 4 the price) ... I love banksy Invader and few others that's all !
You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. Have never got used to how the banksy market continually increases in value.nice to see as I own a few but do not agree with how valuations jump so high. me too, especially for poster, lp, postcards, and tats, well all the Poundlaz stuff !
as I said i don't run for money ( ask members, i Never discuss or discussed even if it woll be sell x 4 the price) ... I love banksy Invader and few others that's all !
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lroy on Mar 18, 2021 21:00:24 GMT 1, You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. nice price on the TM😉🙄 What is the TM ?
You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. nice price on the TM😉🙄 What is the TM ?
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lroy on Mar 18, 2021 21:02:30 GMT 1, No one is going to pay 150k for many years....if ever... I am thinking like you, all sooner than we believe, will be fed up ot fhis and will be back for real prints ad Dold Pow, etc.. PIns too ! But all these tats, so boring !
No one is going to pay 150k for many years....if ever... I am thinking like you, all sooner than we believe, will be fed up ot fhis and will be back for real prints ad Dold Pow, etc.. PIns too ! But all these tats, so boring !
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by tab1 on Mar 18, 2021 21:08:47 GMT 1,
The toxic Mary At Sotheby’s, the market has kept climbing constantly for the last 15 years.quite a few discussions over the years here on the unsigned market and would never think the unsigned would be at this stage. The unsigned market has jumped over the Warhol print market now 😮
The toxic Mary At Sotheby’s, the market has kept climbing constantly for the last 15 years.quite a few discussions over the years here on the unsigned market and would never think the unsigned would be at this stage. The unsigned market has jumped over the Warhol print market now 😮
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Balboa on Mar 18, 2021 21:09:55 GMT 1, I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal?
I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal?
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 21:17:43 GMT 1, Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal?
It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature.
In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints.
Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by hnkpnk on Mar 18, 2021 21:22:31 GMT 1, I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable.
I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Quinnster on Mar 18, 2021 21:36:08 GMT 1, You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. nice price on the TM😉🙄
How much did it go for? I’m thinking of selling one soon.
You must admit that all are playing the same game ! Those who haven’t criticized it, but when it’s one that they own, they like it ! This forum is only about money and taxes. nice price on the TM😉🙄 How much did it go for? I’m thinking of selling one soon.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 21:39:41 GMT 1, It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable.
Me
It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable. Me
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by pauls on Mar 18, 2021 21:57:38 GMT 1, It's irrelevant who signed anything. The point is whether it is accepted as a genuine signature. Just as it's irrelevant who actually makes anything, as long as it's accepted as a genuine work of (such-and-such's) art.
It's irrelevant who signed anything. The point is whether it is accepted as a genuine signature. Just as it's irrelevant who actually makes anything, as long as it's accepted as a genuine work of (such-and-such's) art.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 22:04:18 GMT 1, It's irrelevant who signed anything. The point is whether it is accepted as a genuine signature. Just as it's irrelevant who actually makes anything, as long as it's accepted as a genuine work of (such-and-such's) art.
Yeah but no but
It's irrelevant who signed anything. The point is whether it is accepted as a genuine signature. Just as it's irrelevant who actually makes anything, as long as it's accepted as a genuine work of (such-and-such's) art. Yeah but no but
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by met on Mar 19, 2021 2:56:18 GMT 1, I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable.
I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Banksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Banksy himself.
All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]
What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking.
It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly.
__________
As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity.
Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case.
I love seeing owners panic and try and talk up prices of their prints when someone dares to advertise one for a current realistic value. Yeah big panic here with 60k as the realistic price. 😂 It’s a signed banksy!! One of the only signed banksys we are 100% confident is by his hand. Unsigned prints going for 60k so how isn’t this more?? I’m not selling until hits 150k I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable.I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 6:47:34 GMT 1, Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable. I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case.
What a waffling pile of bollox 😂
Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable. I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. What a waffling pile of bollox 😂
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by dan993c2 on Mar 19, 2021 7:44:50 GMT 1, I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. What a waffling pile of bollox 😂 Yes you are aren't you!
I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. What a waffling pile of bollox 😂 Yes you are aren't you!
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by buffin on Mar 19, 2021 8:03:28 GMT 1, I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. What a waffling pile of bollox 😂
Awkward attempt at humour to hide embarrassment. Met nailed it.
I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. What a waffling pile of bollox 😂 Awkward attempt at humour to hide embarrassment. Met nailed it.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lroy on Mar 19, 2021 9:50:16 GMT 1, The toxic Mary At Sotheby’s, the market has kept climbing constantly for the last 15 years.quite a few discussions over the years here on the unsigned market and would never think the unsigned would be at this stage. The unsigned market has jumped over the Warhol print market now 😮 Anyway, after all this bullshit of people buying LP, CD, Books' cover made by Banksy, poscards etc... All the old and classical prints by Banksy, Dolk, POW, etc.. Will be the real market, I mean will be the only sure asked art. All the rest will fall down. When we see that the two wonderful prints ( Dawn and Dusk ) an artist as Dale East have been sold bargains ( at cost nearly ) on here, it means a lot.. , and so many others ( Obey, just few prints of him are asked, others at 150 $ staying unsold on ebay ) , ... We all know how art could be : hype and fluctuating with crazy prices during crisis ( we are in crisis ) , then going back on sure and solid values.
Per example , figurative will still be a strong value
The toxic Mary At Sotheby’s, the market has kept climbing constantly for the last 15 years.quite a few discussions over the years here on the unsigned market and would never think the unsigned would be at this stage. The unsigned market has jumped over the Warhol print market now 😮 Anyway, after all this bullshit of people buying LP, CD, Books' cover made by Banksy, poscards etc... All the old and classical prints by Banksy, Dolk, POW, etc.. Will be the real market, I mean will be the only sure asked art. All the rest will fall down. When we see that the two wonderful prints ( Dawn and Dusk ) an artist as Dale East have been sold bargains ( at cost nearly ) on here, it means a lot.. , and so many others ( Obey, just few prints of him are asked, others at 150 $ staying unsold on ebay ) , ... We all know how art could be : hype and fluctuating with crazy prices during crisis ( we are in crisis ) , then going back on sure and solid values. Per example , figurative will still be a strong value
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Pistol on Mar 19, 2021 10:22:25 GMT 1, Anyway back to the original post, glwts 😊
Anyway back to the original post, glwts 😊
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silvermyn
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April 2008
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by silvermyn on Mar 19, 2021 10:53:12 GMT 1, Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable. I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case.
Hey Met.
As you know, the colour Trolleys is a signed edition of 750 prints. All signed in pencil.
When the prints were produced there was a plate signature that was later filled in with a coloured pencil. I know this because I recall seeing one of the prints where somebody had forgotten to write over the plate signature.
Now, putting aside the discussion as to whether Banksy could be arsed to sit there signing 750 prints (and that's in addition to the 100 odd signatures that would have gone on the B&W and Bethlehem editions) why do you suppose a plate signature was used on the 750 colour edition? Is it not fair to assume that the plate was there so that any one of his assistants could help get the prints all signed and in the post in a timely manner?
I don't think that a plate signature would serve any other purpose, but maybe you know more about this sort of stuff.
Cheers.
Give me one (1) source for this. It doesn't even have to be that reliable. I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. Hey Met. As you know, the colour Trolleys is a signed edition of 750 prints. All signed in pencil. When the prints were produced there was a plate signature that was later filled in with a coloured pencil. I know this because I recall seeing one of the prints where somebody had forgotten to write over the plate signature. Now, putting aside the discussion as to whether Banksy could be arsed to sit there signing 750 prints (and that's in addition to the 100 odd signatures that would have gone on the B&W and Bethlehem editions) why do you suppose a plate signature was used on the 750 colour edition? Is it not fair to assume that the plate was there so that any one of his assistants could help get the prints all signed and in the post in a timely manner? I don't think that a plate signature would serve any other purpose, but maybe you know more about this sort of stuff. Cheers.
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silvermyn
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by silvermyn on Mar 19, 2021 11:10:57 GMT 1, I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints.
I doubt it myself.
I believe he changed his signature around 2006/2007 because it was not easy to copy his original hand signature without it looking like a forgery. The new format signature is easy to copy.
Anything signed with the new format signature (e.g. POW Grannies, Trolleys, Morons, Applause onwards) is questionable IMHO. Even if they are certified as "signed", the certificate doesn't specify that that the print was signed by Banksy himself.
It's an interesting point that I suppose will never be clarified by PC.
I'm sorry but I've got to challenge this. Why are 'we' more confident that this was signed personally by Banksy than something from say 2004 when he wasn't a big deal? It’s documented that early pow was chaos and that Ben eine and many other employees scribbled his signature. In 2017 things had changed , he signed those prints. I doubt it myself. I believe he changed his signature around 2006/2007 because it was not easy to copy his original hand signature without it looking like a forgery. The new format signature is easy to copy. Anything signed with the new format signature (e.g. POW Grannies, Trolleys, Morons, Applause onwards) is questionable IMHO. Even if they are certified as "signed", the certificate doesn't specify that that the print was signed by Banksy himself. It's an interesting point that I suppose will never be clarified by PC.
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