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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Dive Jedi on Mar 19, 2021 11:20:04 GMT 1, I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. Hey Met. As you know, the colour Trolleys is a signed edition of 750 prints. All signed in pencil. When the prints were produced there was a plate signature that was later filled in with a coloured pencil. I know this because I recall seeing one of the prints where somebody had forgotten to write over the plate signature. Now, putting aside the discussion as to whether Banksy could be arsed to sit there signing 750 prints (and that's in addition to the 100 odd signatures that would have gone on the B&W and Bethlehem editions) why do you suppose a plate signature was used on the 750 colour edition? Is it not fair to assume that the plate was there so that any one of his assistants could help get the prints all signed and in the post in a timely manner? I don't think that a plate signature would serve any other purpose, but maybe you know more about this sort of stuff. Cheers.
I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. Hey Met. As you know, the colour Trolleys is a signed edition of 750 prints. All signed in pencil. When the prints were produced there was a plate signature that was later filled in with a coloured pencil. I know this because I recall seeing one of the prints where somebody had forgotten to write over the plate signature. Now, putting aside the discussion as to whether Banksy could be arsed to sit there signing 750 prints (and that's in addition to the 100 odd signatures that would have gone on the B&W and Bethlehem editions) why do you suppose a plate signature was used on the 750 colour edition? Is it not fair to assume that the plate was there so that any one of his assistants could help get the prints all signed and in the post in a timely manner? I don't think that a plate signature would serve any other purpose, but maybe you know more about this sort of stuff. Cheers. Where's GUN when you need him..... ? |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by iamzero on Mar 19, 2021 11:40:38 GMT 1, When I want to buy a Colour Trolleys way back when they were around the £3k mark a was told by someone at Laz it probably wasn’t actually signed by Banksy himself and it made me hesitant on the purchase. I lost out on the deal. Huge mistake.
When I want to buy a Colour Trolleys way back when they were around the £3k mark a was told by someone at Laz it probably wasn’t actually signed by Banksy himself and it made me hesitant on the purchase. I lost out on the deal. Huge mistake.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by buffin on Mar 19, 2021 11:46:35 GMT 1, I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. Hey Met. As you know, the colour Trolleys is a signed edition of 750 prints. All signed in pencil. When the prints were produced there was a plate signature that was later filled in with a coloured pencil. I know this because I recall seeing one of the prints where somebody had forgotten to write over the plate signature. Now, putting aside the discussion as to whether Banksy could be arsed to sit there signing 750 prints (and that's in addition to the 100 odd signatures that would have gone on the B&W and Bethlehem editions) why do you suppose a plate signature was used on the 750 colour edition? Is it not fair to assume that the plate was there so that any one of his assistants could help get the prints all signed and in the post in a timely manner? I don't think that a plate signature would serve any other purpose, but maybe you know more about this sort of stuff. Cheers.
Guide for his new style signature? Do it 750 times and you probably have it memorised.
I am aware of no credible sources (documented or otherwise) that would support an assertion of genuine Ban ksy editioned prints having been signed by someone other than Ban ksy himself. All I've witnessed thus far over the years is the very occasional member making unsubstantiated claims on the topic. But when challenged and asked for evidence (cf. the Sagan standard of ECREE), they tend to go silent. Or they become evasive and deflect, sometimes with awkward attempts at humour. [Misplaced pride will often prevent such individuals from backtracking. And to openly acknowledge they misspoke would of course also require a level of integrity that may be in short supply.]What this amounts to is dishonesty and/or attention-seeking, as opposed to truth-seeking. It is in my view a contemptuous disregard for verification, evidence and truth. That is regrettable on open forums like this one — especially when pure speculation is presented as statements of fact, whether cynically or cluelessly. __________ As for why this happens (leaving aside the explanation of false details being spread to prop up vested interests), my guess is that the reasons include discontentment and insecurity. Both are manifested by an apparent desire to give the appearance of being more in-the-know than is actually the case. Hey Met. As you know, the colour Trolleys is a signed edition of 750 prints. All signed in pencil. When the prints were produced there was a plate signature that was later filled in with a coloured pencil. I know this because I recall seeing one of the prints where somebody had forgotten to write over the plate signature. Now, putting aside the discussion as to whether Banksy could be arsed to sit there signing 750 prints (and that's in addition to the 100 odd signatures that would have gone on the B&W and Bethlehem editions) why do you suppose a plate signature was used on the 750 colour edition? Is it not fair to assume that the plate was there so that any one of his assistants could help get the prints all signed and in the post in a timely manner? I don't think that a plate signature would serve any other purpose, but maybe you know more about this sort of stuff. Cheers. Guide for his new style signature? Do it 750 times and you probably have it memorised. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by silvermyn on Mar 19, 2021 11:50:39 GMT 1, When I want to buy a Colour Trolleys way back when they were around the £3k mark a was told by someone at Laz it probably wasn’t actually signed by Banksy himself and it made me hesitant on the purchase. I lost out on the deal. Huge mistake.
Agreed. However, you could probably pick up the unsigned B&W for under £1k at the time and you would have lost out on that too.
Begs the question as to whether it is worth having a signed version if it was signed by anyone other than Banksy himself. Suppose only the true purists will be losing any sleep over it. If the COA states it's signed then most people don't care to look beyond that.
When I want to buy a Colour Trolleys way back when they were around the £3k mark a was told by someone at Laz it probably wasn’t actually signed by Banksy himself and it made me hesitant on the purchase. I lost out on the deal. Huge mistake. Agreed. However, you could probably pick up the unsigned B&W for under £1k at the time and you would have lost out on that too. Begs the question as to whether it is worth having a signed version if it was signed by anyone other than Banksy himself. Suppose only the true purists will be losing any sleep over it. If the COA states it's signed then most people don't care to look beyond that. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by GMA on Mar 19, 2021 12:08:51 GMT 1, Shoulda coulda woulda's, they'll be the death of me 
Shoulda coulda woulda's, they'll be the death of me |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 19, 2021 12:14:43 GMT 1,
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by jamieb on Mar 19, 2021 12:43:32 GMT 1, Here's mine. TBH I'd always wondered why it was plate signed and then gone over.
I had come to my own conclusion that it was to allow multiple people "sign" the print.
It's still a signed print and stated as such on the COA so doesn't bother me.
Obviously looking at mine you can tell that it was signed by the real man though 😄
Here's mine. TBH I'd always wondered why it was plate signed and then gone over. I had come to my own conclusion that it was to allow multiple people "sign" the print. It's still a signed print and stated as such on the COA so doesn't bother me. Obviously looking at mine you can tell that it was signed by the real man though 😄 |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by tab1 on Mar 19, 2021 13:20:09 GMT 1, The toxic Mary At Sotheby’s, the market has kept climbing constantly for the last 15 years.quite a few discussions over the years here on the unsigned market and would never think the unsigned would be at this stage. The unsigned market has jumped over the Warhol print market now 😮 Anyway, after all this bullshit of people buying LP, CD, Books' cover made by Banksy, poscards etc... All the old and classical prints by Banksy, Dolk, POW, etc.. Will be the real market, I mean will be the only sure asked art. All the rest will fall down. When we see that the two wonderful prints ( Dawn and Dusk ) an artist as Dale East have been sold bargains ( at cost nearly ) on here, it means a lot.. , and so many others ( Obey, just few prints of him are asked, others at 150 $ staying unsold on ebay ) , ... We all know how art could be : hype and fluctuating with crazy prices during crisis ( we are in crisis ) , then going back on sure and solid values. Per example , figurative will still be a strong value
Financial worth is Irrelevant I have always liked the tm as to me it is a classic Banksy style. Many of Banksy older works had this drip style effect yet this style is only the second use of this effect in print form. Maybe the subject matter is not so topical compared to 15 years ago and is one of the more impactful visual images that has caused the recent interest?
Will see now if the market is just about value now as this was always one of the least sought after images, still available to purchase two years after initial release at source outlet and hardly seen in any wanted lists .
The toxic Mary At Sotheby’s, the market has kept climbing constantly for the last 15 years.quite a few discussions over the years here on the unsigned market and would never think the unsigned would be at this stage. The unsigned market has jumped over the Warhol print market now 😮 Anyway, after all this bullshit of people buying LP, CD, Books' cover made by Banksy, poscards etc... All the old and classical prints by Banksy, Dolk, POW, etc.. Will be the real market, I mean will be the only sure asked art. All the rest will fall down. When we see that the two wonderful prints ( Dawn and Dusk ) an artist as Dale East have been sold bargains ( at cost nearly ) on here, it means a lot.. , and so many others ( Obey, just few prints of him are asked, others at 150 $ staying unsold on ebay ) , ... We all know how art could be : hype and fluctuating with crazy prices during crisis ( we are in crisis ) , then going back on sure and solid values. Per example , figurative will still be a strong value
Financial worth is Irrelevant I have always liked the tm as to me it is a classic Banksy style. Many of Banksy older works had this drip style effect yet this style is only the second use of this effect in print form. Maybe the subject matter is not so topical compared to 15 years ago and is one of the more impactful visual images that has caused the recent interest? Will see now if the market is just about value now as this was always one of the least sought after images, still available to purchase two years after initial release at source outlet and hardly seen in any wanted lists . |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by eyectopus on Mar 19, 2021 13:21:05 GMT 1, I much prefer this way of signing over prints with plate signature and hand signed aswell. An example is Morons.
I think the Coloured Trolleys is good in that signature was not done separately. Why there is a plate signature for a signed only run I am not sure as it would make sense if there was unsigned aswell.
However, I do not think it is there as a template for others to sign. I also think some variances in signature are to be expected (pens used, time it was signed, batches vs in one go etc).
I much prefer this way of signing over prints with plate signature and hand signed aswell. An example is Morons.
I think the Coloured Trolleys is good in that signature was not done separately. Why there is a plate signature for a signed only run I am not sure as it would make sense if there was unsigned aswell.
However, I do not think it is there as a template for others to sign. I also think some variances in signature are to be expected (pens used, time it was signed, batches vs in one go etc).
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 13:56:03 GMT 1, Well this has gone better than I hoped 😂😂
Have that met! Unless you’re the met police .. in that case I’m terribly sorry officer .. I’ll be good.. if you need anything signed, one of my mates will be happy to scribble ‘glitch’
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Well this has gone better than I hoped 😂😂
Have that met! Unless you’re the met police .. in that case I’m terribly sorry officer .. I’ll be good.. if you need anything signed, one of my mates will be happy to scribble ‘glitch’
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lroy on Mar 19, 2021 13:57:17 GMT 1,
For me, they are all the same.
I never have the same signature too.
For me, they are all the same. I never have the same signature too. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by eyectopus on Mar 19, 2021 14:02:18 GMT 1, I much prefer this way of signing over prints with plate signature and hand signed aswell. An example is Morons. I think the Coloured Trolleys is good in that signature was not done separately. Why there is a plate signature for a signed only run I am not sure as it would make sense if there was unsigned aswell. However, I do not think it is there as a template for others to sign. I also think some variances in signature are to be expected (pens used, time it was signed, batches vs in one go etc). You don't think that the blank white plate was there for others to sign...? That's the only reason to have it there. I'm pretty sure that Banksy does know how to sign his name without the need to trace a blank plate.
The plate would have been part of the design as with other prints, but in this case instead of the double signature it was decided to sign over the plate signature.
I just can't see that it was an intentional template for other people to sign. It just looks better signed this way.
I also think that if any artist was to get someone else to sign their signature it would be someone that could replicate the signature without the need for a template. The easiest option is to have the artist themselves sign.
I much prefer this way of signing over prints with plate signature and hand signed aswell. An example is Morons. I think the Coloured Trolleys is good in that signature was not done separately. Why there is a plate signature for a signed only run I am not sure as it would make sense if there was unsigned aswell. However, I do not think it is there as a template for others to sign. I also think some variances in signature are to be expected (pens used, time it was signed, batches vs in one go etc). You don't think that the blank white plate was there for others to sign...? That's the only reason to have it there. I'm pretty sure that Banksy does know how to sign his name without the need to trace a blank plate. The plate would have been part of the design as with other prints, but in this case instead of the double signature it was decided to sign over the plate signature. I just can't see that it was an intentional template for other people to sign. It just looks better signed this way. I also think that if any artist was to get someone else to sign their signature it would be someone that could replicate the signature without the need for a template. The easiest option is to have the artist themselves sign. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by silvermyn on Mar 19, 2021 14:10:02 GMT 1, You don't think that the blank white plate was there for others to sign...? That's the only reason to have it there. I'm pretty sure that Banksy does know how to sign his name without the need to trace a blank plate. The plate would have been part of the design as with other prints, but in this case instead of the double signature it was decided to sign over the plate signature. I just can't see that it was an intentional template for other people to sign. It just looks better signed this way. I also think that if any artist was to get someone else to sign their signature it would be someone that could replicate the signature without the need for a template. The easiest option is to have the artist themselves sign.
Not sure I agree. Banksy doesn't need a blank template to sign his name. He could have done it freehand.
If you look at sepia Morons, that is the way he signed them; freehand below the plate. Colour Trolleys is signed over a blank (white) plate signature. Anyone could have followed the outline of the plate.
You don't think that the blank white plate was there for others to sign...? That's the only reason to have it there. I'm pretty sure that Banksy does know how to sign his name without the need to trace a blank plate. The plate would have been part of the design as with other prints, but in this case instead of the double signature it was decided to sign over the plate signature. I just can't see that it was an intentional template for other people to sign. It just looks better signed this way. I also think that if any artist was to get someone else to sign their signature it would be someone that could replicate the signature without the need for a template. The easiest option is to have the artist themselves sign. Not sure I agree. Banksy doesn't need a blank template to sign his name. He could have done it freehand. If you look at sepia Morons, that is the way he signed them; freehand below the plate. Colour Trolleys is signed over a blank (white) plate signature. Anyone could have followed the outline of the plate. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 14:50:44 GMT 1, With such uncertainty coming to light over signatures, surely it's clear that now unsigned prints are in fact worth far more than the "signed" ones. Market chaos ahoy.
Nonsense and bollocks.
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With such uncertainty coming to light over signatures, surely it's clear that now unsigned prints are in fact worth far more than the "signed" ones. Market chaos ahoy. Nonsense and bollocks. 😁 |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:24:28 GMT 1, Everyone with their pension tied up in banksy
‘He’s the messiah’
Everyone else
‘He’s not the messiah , he’s a very naughty boy’
Everyone with their pension tied up in banksy
‘He’s the messiah’
Everyone else
‘He’s not the messiah , he’s a very naughty boy’
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by LJCal on Mar 19, 2021 20:54:09 GMT 1, Everyone with their pension tied up in banksy ‘He’s the messiah’ Everyone else ‘He’s not the messiah , he’s a very naughty boy’
Everyone with their pension tied up in banksy ‘He’s the messiah’ Everyone else ‘He’s not the messiah , he’s a very naughty boy’ Haha so true! |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 21:09:59 GMT 1, With such uncertainty coming to light over signatures, surely it's clear that now unsigned prints are in fact worth far more than the "signed" ones. Market chaos ahoy. That only would matter if Banksy was a singular person and not a collective.
Oh god! Don’t say that., they’ll burn you at the stake!
With such uncertainty coming to light over signatures, surely it's clear that now unsigned prints are in fact worth far more than the "signed" ones. Market chaos ahoy. That only would matter if Banksy was a singular person and not a collective. Oh god! Don’t say that., they’ll burn you at the stake! |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by littlewren on Mar 19, 2021 21:12:24 GMT 1, Whats going on with the numbers thing i been out the loop? Same as above NFS. GLWYS
bit of a mish mash of info but basically been led to believe that only 370 v2 prints were released back in 2017 and I am wondering if this is because:
a) the rest of the edition (of 500) is made up of signed/unsigned 2006 versions
or
b) 130 v2 prints were held back for their archives
If the edition of 500 does include the 2006 versions, then there are 26% less v2's than people think
Until someone can show me a v2 numbered below 100 then I am inclined to believe the mixed edition theory
Whats going on with the numbers thing i been out the loop? Same as above NFS. GLWYS
bit of a mish mash of info but basically been led to believe that only 370 v2 prints were released back in 2017 and I am wondering if this is because:
a) the rest of the edition (of 500) is made up of signed/unsigned 2006 versions
or
b) 130 v2 prints were held back for their archives
If the edition of 500 does include the 2006 versions, then there are 26% less v2's than people think
Until someone can show me a v2 numbered below 100 then I am inclined to believe the mixed edition theory
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Pistol on Mar 19, 2021 22:50:57 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by tab1 on Mar 19, 2021 22:57:05 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
this concept was put forward when first released, which caused uproar.
The price they were released for, it was logical to hold back a few for later market value
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! this concept was put forward when first released, which caused uproar. The price they were released for, it was logical to hold back a few for later market value |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Dive Jedi on Mar 19, 2021 22:57:07 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 5 million
If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily.....
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 5 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily..... |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 19, 2021 23:06:58 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 50 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily.....
£5m
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 50 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily..... £5m |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by tab1 on Mar 19, 2021 23:10:23 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 50 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily.....
banksy is fuelled by the heavy pr behind the brand .
Would all prints sell out instantly At the current market rate ? Too many judge a market on how long a print takes to sell, with comments of the markets falling or over priced etc if not sold out instantly,would that effect the market if they did not all sell out instantly ?
Would all on the market at the same time cause fluctuations with prices in the market?if you paid 10k would you be happy to wait 2 years to sell if they placed the same restrictions ? Although the market has consistently risen yearly, there would be hesitancy by a few purchasing at market value to hold for two years with a minuscule possibility the market could drop?its easy to have that stance now but there are many threads over the years where people think the market will drop
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 50 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily..... banksy is fuelled by the heavy pr behind the brand . Would all prints sell out instantly At the current market rate ? Too many judge a market on how long a print takes to sell, with comments of the markets falling or over priced etc if not sold out instantly,would that effect the market if they did not all sell out instantly ? Would all on the market at the same time cause fluctuations with prices in the market?if you paid 10k would you be happy to wait 2 years to sell if they placed the same restrictions ? Although the market has consistently risen yearly, there would be hesitancy by a few purchasing at market value to hold for two years with a minuscule possibility the market could drop?its easy to have that stance now but there are many threads over the years where people think the market will drop |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Pistol on Mar 19, 2021 23:11:25 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 50 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily.....
That doesn’t make much sense either as your maths is a tad out! 😂
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did! That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 50 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily..... That doesn’t make much sense either as your maths is a tad out! 😂 |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Dive Jedi on Mar 19, 2021 23:13:09 GMT 1, That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 5 0 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily..... £5m
That doesn't make much sense..... They could have released them for 10K each x 500 = 5 0 million If they wanted to cash in they could have done it easily..... £5m Indeed.... |
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Pistol
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Pistol on Mar 19, 2021 23:19:16 GMT 1, The whole principal of POW was art for the masses. They would never sell prints at £10k publicly as it would go against all they stood for. What they did behind the scenes, however, was a different matter.
The whole principal of POW was art for the masses. They would never sell prints at £10k publicly as it would go against all they stood for. What they did behind the scenes, however, was a different matter.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by littlewren on Mar 19, 2021 23:34:41 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
But your comment is without foundation. Maybe they did hold them back, or maybe they didn't exist in the first place.
The key is to find a v.2 numbered below 100.
I'd be very interested to know if Sale Ends v.2 has appeared on the private sales emails over the past couple of years. There are definitely people on this forum who have had those emails.
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
But your comment is without foundation. Maybe they did hold them back, or maybe they didn't exist in the first place.
The key is to find a v.2 numbered below 100.
I'd be very interested to know if Sale Ends v.2 has appeared on the private sales emails over the past couple of years. There are definitely people on this forum who have had those emails.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Pistol on Mar 19, 2021 23:49:54 GMT 1, Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
But your comment is without foundation. Maybe they did hold them back, or maybe they didn't exist in the first place.
The key is to find a v.2 numbered below 100.
I'd be very interested to know if Sale Ends v.2 has appeared on the private sales emails over the past couple of years. There are definitely people on this forum who have had those emails.
Sorry should have read let’s face it ‘if’ they held back 100. I only heard this theory today. I have no idea if it’s true or not.
Let’s face it they held 100 back they are now worth iro £6m rather than the £50k they would have sold for. Not a bad return in 4 years! Pow and Pest control have always been very clever in what they do/did!
But your comment is without foundation. Maybe they did hold them back, or maybe they didn't exist in the first place.
The key is to find a v.2 numbered below 100.
I'd be very interested to know if Sale Ends v.2 has appeared on the private sales emails over the past couple of years. There are definitely people on this forum who have had those emails.
Sorry should have read let’s face it ‘if’ they held back 100. I only heard this theory today. I have no idea if it’s true or not. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by tab1 on Mar 20, 2021 0:14:15 GMT 1, banksy is fuelled by the heavy pr behind the brand . That's an awful thing to say about Jo Brooks, she's just big boned and fucking loves a pie.
Seriously though, Banksy has no 'heavy pr'. In fact, he utilises no pr at all. He has a spokesperson.
Nor is Banksy a 'brand'. GDP vs Full Colour Black proves otherwise.
Please feel free to show me some of this 'heavy pr' you speak of if you're still convinced of your nonsense.
every theory here is theoretically nonsense with out factual evidence
Phrase it differently for you, the way Banksy courts the media and uses the placements and subject matter of his street pieces
prsuperstar.co.uk/banksy-guerrilla-pr/
banksy is fuelled by the heavy pr behind the brand . That's an awful thing to say about Jo Brooks, she's just big boned and fucking loves a pie.
Seriously though, Banksy has no 'heavy pr'. In fact, he utilises no pr at all. He has a spokesperson.
Nor is Banksy a 'brand'. GDP vs Full Colour Black proves otherwise.
Please feel free to show me some of this 'heavy pr' you speak of if you're still convinced of your nonsense.
every theory here is theoretically nonsense with out factual evidence Phrase it differently for you, the way Banksy courts the media and uses the placements and subject matter of his street pieces prsuperstar.co.uk/banksy-guerrilla-pr/ |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by littlewren on Mar 20, 2021 0:31:26 GMT 1, It really doesn't matter.
It might not matter to you but in terms of a catalogue raisonné, accuracy is pretty important. You can’t say a variant is an edition of 500 when there isn’t 500 of them.
Do you think a catalogue raisonné would have the unsigned 2006 version down as an edition of 500? If it was an accurate catalogue raisonné then it would have to say something like, numbered out of 500 of which only 100 or so exist. Numbering ranges from 30-130 say.
Same for the signed 2006 version. Numbered out of 150 of which only x amount exist. Numbering ranges from 1-30 say.
It really doesn't matter. It might not matter to you but in terms of a catalogue raisonné, accuracy is pretty important. You can’t say a variant is an edition of 500 when there isn’t 500 of them. Do you think a catalogue raisonné would have the unsigned 2006 version down as an edition of 500? If it was an accurate catalogue raisonné then it would have to say something like, numbered out of 500 of which only 100 or so exist. Numbering ranges from 30-130 say. Same for the signed 2006 version. Numbered out of 150 of which only x amount exist. Numbering ranges from 1-30 say. |
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