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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by mjh1234mjh on Jun 21, 2014 23:36:23 GMT 1, Blimey, you lot are hard work.
I've posted (previously unblanked out versions of) the numbering on the print and the COA etc and been very clear that I framed it myself. Yes that makes it an amateur job, I work in property not framing. Thank you kultur for stating the bleeding obvious. Also, thanks for your opinion on the framing - If you dont like the job I've done fair enough but others seem to think it looks quite good.
Here is the receipt from when I bought it as further evidence of provenance.
Blimey, you lot are hard work. I've posted (previously unblanked out versions of) the numbering on the print and the COA etc and been very clear that I framed it myself. Yes that makes it an amateur job, I work in property not framing. Thank you kultur for stating the bleeding obvious. Also, thanks for your opinion on the framing - If you dont like the job I've done fair enough but others seem to think it looks quite good. Here is the receipt from when I bought it as further evidence of provenance.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 23:37:56 GMT 1, I am sorry... but this is a major red flag. If anything... the bottom of the mat should be larger not the top (weighting) which means amateur framing. Taped up neatly should read "taped up sparingly" with not just acid free tape but "framing grade acid free linen tape that is reversible." You might get a sale somewhere... but the peeps on here are a bit too particular to not do a thorough inspection. To then say you are reluctant to unframe when you know now you could have done damage to the print already - well that just screams FAKE and BUYER BEWARE. Fake?, it has a PC COA.
I am sorry... but this is a major red flag. If anything... the bottom of the mat should be larger not the top (weighting) which means amateur framing. Taped up neatly should read "taped up sparingly" with not just acid free tape but "framing grade acid free linen tape that is reversible." You might get a sale somewhere... but the peeps on here are a bit too particular to not do a thorough inspection. To then say you are reluctant to unframe when you know now you could have done damage to the print already - well that just screams FAKE and BUYER BEWARE. Fake?, it has a PC COA.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 23:54:32 GMT 1, jesus, let the bloke sell his print for christ sake.
jesus, let the bloke sell his print for christ sake.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Hubble Bubble on Jun 22, 2014 9:53:11 GMT 1, Agreed Nuart . I'm only surprised nobody's checked its not been hanging above a radiator. Good luck with your sale mjh
Agreed Nuart . I'm only surprised nobody's checked its not been hanging above a radiator. Good luck with your sale mjh
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Warm Gun on Jun 22, 2014 10:05:55 GMT 1, When people are spending £2500+ on an unsigned framed print then it's important that it's been framed to conservation standards by a professional. I don't think anyone is trying to shoot this sale down (I'm certainly not) but it's a subject that's gunna come up whether it's by pm between a potential buyer and the seller or by a post on this thread.
Sell away and good luck with your sale, it's a smashing print and one that I've grown to love more and more over the years.
When people are spending £2500+ on an unsigned framed print then it's important that it's been framed to conservation standards by a professional. I don't think anyone is trying to shoot this sale down (I'm certainly not) but it's a subject that's gunna come up whether it's by pm between a potential buyer and the seller or by a post on this thread.
Sell away and good luck with your sale, it's a smashing print and one that I've grown to love more and more over the years.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 10:24:35 GMT 1, The thing is lots of these earlier Banksys probably were'nt framed to conservation standard originally, they were prob banged into 5 quid frames in many cases , they were pretty cheap afterall so theres plenty with little issues and some with bigger issues like drymounting, fading etc. This one looks in good nick but the only way to be sure is if you take it to a framer they'll pop it out in 5 mins for a few £, I'm sure you'll get plenty of buyers and if it doesnt work out the framer will charge another few £ to pop it back in. GLWTS
The thing is lots of these earlier Banksys probably were'nt framed to conservation standard originally, they were prob banged into 5 quid frames in many cases , they were pretty cheap afterall so theres plenty with little issues and some with bigger issues like drymounting, fading etc. This one looks in good nick but the only way to be sure is if you take it to a framer they'll pop it out in 5 mins for a few £, I'm sure you'll get plenty of buyers and if it doesnt work out the framer will charge another few £ to pop it back in. GLWTS
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by kultur on Jun 22, 2014 17:36:01 GMT 1, @wiz you have been around for a while and know that prints and even COA's have been faked.
betty1 I could buy a real banksy and get a real COA from pest control then buy a West Coast Prince copy and put the same number on the print and frame it up and sell the copy and the real COA to someone who wouldnt know the difference. There have been many examples where this has happened.
If you don't check with Pest Control after (at least) or during a purchase (definitely preferred) it is just silly. PC asks for photos of the signature and the numbering and the stamp - whatever is available - guess why they do that?
This print was not just made by WCP. There was a huge deal quite a few years back where a group was selling TW and other prints as Banksy prints as authentic and they were caught and put on trial... but after 100s were sold.
mjh1234mjh I didnt say I didnt like the framing - I like the frame - the way it looks is odd with the weighting on top - but it is yours. What I do have an issue with is that you seem lazy or unwilling to unframe it - which I think most serious buyers would question. Lazy sellers get lazy prices and this forum is full of them. The fact that you framed it and taped it all up but know you would need to go to a professional to have it undone - well do I need to say more about that?
This is a forum - free speech and all that. Everything could be all legit and that would just be wonderful. Maybe someone learned something.
@wiz you have been around for a while and know that prints and even COA's have been faked. betty1 I could buy a real banksy and get a real COA from pest control then buy a West Coast Prince copy and put the same number on the print and frame it up and sell the copy and the real COA to someone who wouldnt know the difference. There have been many examples where this has happened. If you don't check with Pest Control after (at least) or during a purchase (definitely preferred) it is just silly. PC asks for photos of the signature and the numbering and the stamp - whatever is available - guess why they do that? This print was not just made by WCP. There was a huge deal quite a few years back where a group was selling TW and other prints as Banksy prints as authentic and they were caught and put on trial... but after 100s were sold. mjh1234mjh I didnt say I didnt like the framing - I like the frame - the way it looks is odd with the weighting on top - but it is yours. What I do have an issue with is that you seem lazy or unwilling to unframe it - which I think most serious buyers would question. Lazy sellers get lazy prices and this forum is full of them. The fact that you framed it and taped it all up but know you would need to go to a professional to have it undone - well do I need to say more about that? This is a forum - free speech and all that. Everything could be all legit and that would just be wonderful. Maybe someone learned something.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Rude Copper on Jul 5, 2014 10:35:55 GMT 1, As above, unsigned, No pest control, but will get one if price is agreeable, communication from Dora, & originally purchased way back when from.....Dan Silk!
offers please
As above, unsigned, No pest control, but will get one if price is agreeable, communication from Dora, & originally purchased way back when from.....Dan Silk!
offers please
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by robertjones on Jul 5, 2014 12:06:23 GMT 1, Pm sent
Pm sent
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Rude Copper on Jul 5, 2014 19:06:31 GMT 1, had quite a bit of interested already, so, to be fair, 1st offer of £2750 can have. will include pc cert. will post pictures shortly. hope this is fair
had quite a bit of interested already, so, to be fair, 1st offer of £2750 can have. will include pc cert. will post pictures shortly. hope this is fair
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by dbnetherleigh on Jul 5, 2014 23:39:57 GMT 1, Decent price IMO - iconic image that doesn't appear for sale too often. Doubt this will hang around....
Decent price IMO - iconic image that doesn't appear for sale too often. Doubt this will hang around....
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by kenzler on Jul 6, 2014 0:14:48 GMT 1, I sent a message early on mate. What's the condition like ??
I sent a message early on mate. What's the condition like ??
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 10:06:53 GMT 1, had quite a bit of interested already, so, to be fair, 1st offer of £2750 can have. will include pc cert. will post pictures shortly. hope this is fair Bargain for someone!.
had quite a bit of interested already, so, to be fair, 1st offer of £2750 can have. will include pc cert. will post pictures shortly. hope this is fair Bargain for someone!.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Dice on Jul 6, 2014 23:17:04 GMT 1, had quite a bit of interested already, so, to be fair, 1st offer of £2750 can have. will include pc cert. will post pictures shortly. hope this is fair Bargain for someone!.
£2750 is a hardly a bargain
had quite a bit of interested already, so, to be fair, 1st offer of £2750 can have. will include pc cert. will post pictures shortly. hope this is fair Bargain for someone!. £2750 is a hardly a bargain
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 23:39:10 GMT 1, £2750 is a hardly a bargain Find one for less.
£2750 is a hardly a bargain Find one for less.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Dice on Jul 7, 2014 8:42:13 GMT 1, £2750 is a hardly a bargain Find one for less. Do you happen to own one? Due to rarity £2750 is probably about right but £2250-2500 would be more in bargain territory
£2750 is a hardly a bargain Find one for less. Do you happen to own one? Due to rarity £2750 is probably about right but £2250-2500 would be more in bargain territory
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 9:25:57 GMT 1, Do you happen to own one? Due to rarity £2750 is probably about right but £2250-2500 would be more in bargain territory Only a backdoor one now. I did have an US one but had to sell a few months back to pay a bill, I sold it at cost to me to someone on here and it was a lot less than 2750. I had saved for a while to get it as I wanted a TW / HMV and Gangsta Rat of all the prints, I was gutted to sell but thats that. Anyhow, thats besides the point but I thought to answer your slightly strange question of 'Do you own one?' which seems to me like you were inferring I was in someway hyping the price?, if so then I take exception to it but you are wrong.
I know how difficult it is to find one so I agree re. the scarcity of the print coming up for sale. I still think that 2750 is a bargain, and I also think that at present the chances of finding a Banksy print at 2250 are slim to none, if so it would no longer be a bargain but a steal IMO.
Anyhow, good luck with the sale OP, its a bargain for someone.
Do you happen to own one? Due to rarity £2750 is probably about right but £2250-2500 would be more in bargain territory Only a backdoor one now. I did have an US one but had to sell a few months back to pay a bill, I sold it at cost to me to someone on here and it was a lot less than 2750. I had saved for a while to get it as I wanted a TW / HMV and Gangsta Rat of all the prints, I was gutted to sell but thats that. Anyhow, thats besides the point but I thought to answer your slightly strange question of 'Do you own one?' which seems to me like you were inferring I was in someway hyping the price?, if so then I take exception to it but you are wrong. I know how difficult it is to find one so I agree re. the scarcity of the print coming up for sale. I still think that 2750 is a bargain, and I also think that at present the chances of finding a Banksy print at 2250 are slim to none, if so it would no longer be a bargain but a steal IMO. Anyhow, good luck with the sale OP, its a bargain for someone.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by mikehaspey on Jul 7, 2014 19:26:31 GMT 1, Totally agree with Wiz... You won't get one of these for £2250-£2500 now, I would say £2750 is right. Might not be a bargain but it will take you a long time to find another. I'm looking for a few pieces and it's really hard to get anyone to part with their Banksy now. Things have really changed price wise, just in the last 12 months
Totally agree with Wiz... You won't get one of these for £2250-£2500 now, I would say £2750 is right. Might not be a bargain but it will take you a long time to find another. I'm looking for a few pieces and it's really hard to get anyone to part with their Banksy now. Things have really changed price wise, just in the last 12 months
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Harveyn on Sept 9, 2014 23:52:44 GMT 1, Looking to add a few unsigned Banksy's. Giving my office at work a redecorate and as I spend most of my live there I thought its about time I put some nice art up.
Might already have the BC sorted but looking for TW and HMV also.
Looking to add a few unsigned Banksy's. Giving my office at work a redecorate and as I spend most of my live there I thought its about time I put some nice art up.
Might already have the BC sorted but looking for TW and HMV also.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Toykio on Oct 24, 2014 20:51:14 GMT 1, PM me!
PM me!
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Poster Bob on Oct 24, 2014 20:55:02 GMT 1, Hahaha, a gallery offering £2700 for a print that went for £4500 the last time it sold on Ebay? Say it isn't so!
Hahaha, a gallery offering £2700 for a print that went for £4500 the last time it sold on Ebay? Say it isn't so!
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Dungle on Oct 24, 2014 20:56:31 GMT 1,
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 24, 2014 20:58:17 GMT 1, nice profit
nice profit
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Poster Bob on Oct 24, 2014 21:03:06 GMT 1, I have an unsigned Lenin print with COA for £1000. Will you please buy it from me? I'm begging; I'm destitute!
I have an unsigned Lenin print with COA for £1000. Will you please buy it from me? I'm begging; I'm destitute!
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:07:50 GMT 1, I have to say the chances of another TW selling for 4500 are slim to zero, if i was selling one id be wanting to price it at 3500 retail, thats where i feel its at, 2700 isnt that bad an offer, remember the khaki that went for 30k or whatever, i wouldnt want to pay over 14k if even, would anyone else on here?? Auctions throw up annomolies.
I have to say the chances of another TW selling for 4500 are slim to zero, if i was selling one id be wanting to price it at 3500 retail, thats where i feel its at, 2700 isnt that bad an offer, remember the khaki that went for 30k or whatever, i wouldnt want to pay over 14k if even, would anyone else on here?? Auctions throw up annomolies.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by bullysonzx10r on Oct 24, 2014 21:36:31 GMT 1, Auctions are almost more about who has the largest "Junk" as opposed to what the piece is worth. People get excited/invested when they think they're going to win/lose.
Auctions are almost more about who has the largest "Junk" as opposed to what the piece is worth. People get excited/invested when they think they're going to win/lose.
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:43:59 GMT 1, Auctions are almost more about who has the largest "Junk" as opposed to what the piece is worth. People get excited/invested when they think they're going to win/lose. True, also i always get quoted the high auction realisations never the low, ive broken my rule of posting about prices, have to find something anal and pointless to post to make up...back soon
Auctions are almost more about who has the largest "Junk" as opposed to what the piece is worth. People get excited/invested when they think they're going to win/lose. True, also i always get quoted the high auction realisations never the low, ive broken my rule of posting about prices, have to find something anal and pointless to post to make up...back soon
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Toykio on Oct 24, 2014 21:44:00 GMT 1, forget the 2700 i think 2600 must do...
forget the 2700 i think 2600 must do...
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Banksy • Turf War Print • 2003, by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:50:45 GMT 1, Auctions are almost more about who has the largest "Junk" as opposed to what the piece is worth. People get excited/invested when they think they're going to win/lose. True, also i always get quoted the high auction realisations never the low, ive broken my rule of posting about prices, have to find something anal and pointless to post to make up...back soon
Auctions are almost more about who has the largest "Junk" as opposed to what the piece is worth. People get excited/invested when they think they're going to win/lose. True, also i always get quoted the high auction realisations never the low, ive broken my rule of posting about prices, have to find something anal and pointless to post to make up...back soon
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