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H&M v. Revok, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 15, 2018 12:01:53 GMT 1, I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place?
What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background?
I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place?
What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background?
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H&M v. Revok, by Happy Shopper on Mar 15, 2018 12:06:28 GMT 1, I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place? What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background?
That's the trouble with the situation... The issue is when an artist's mural is used specifically as the backdrop to a commercial shoot. Is that ethical? Not such an issue, probably, if it's just somewhere in the background of a few shots.
I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place? What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background? That's the trouble with the situation... The issue is when an artist's mural is used specifically as the backdrop to a commercial shoot. Is that ethical? Not such an issue, probably, if it's just somewhere in the background of a few shots. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Fake on Mar 15, 2018 12:59:13 GMT 1, Case apparantly has been withdrawn by H&M.
No it was not, you did not read the full statement with incorrect spelling ;-)
Case apparantly has been withdrawn by H&M. No it was not, you did not read the full statement with incorrect spelling ;-) |
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H&M v. Revok, by kbfrombk on Mar 15, 2018 13:42:03 GMT 1, isn't it sad that it takes H&M filing some insanely idiotic lawsuit, for all of us to unite behind hating on them?!?
long time coming IMO ;-)
isn't it sad that it takes H&M filing some insanely idiotic lawsuit, for all of us to unite behind hating on them?!?
long time coming IMO ;-)
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H&M v. Revok, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 15, 2018 14:48:03 GMT 1, Given the number of (street) artists using famous brands in their works without their agreement (Speedy Graphito, Zevs, Beejoir and many more)...Not sure this would end well for artists in the end on a legal point of view... Anyway, this is an interesting subject.
Given the number of (street) artists using famous brands in their works without their agreement (Speedy Graphito, Zevs, Beejoir and many more)...Not sure this would end well for artists in the end on a legal point of view... Anyway, this is an interesting subject.
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H&M v. Revok, by Happy Shopper on Mar 15, 2018 14:53:06 GMT 1, Given the number of (street) artists using famous brands in their works without their agreement (Speedy Graphito, Zevs, Beejoir and many more)...Not sure this would end well for artists in the end on a legal point of view... Anyway, this is an interesting subject.
Use of logos and images is not a problem for artists. It's called "fair use".
fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/
Given the number of (street) artists using famous brands in their works without their agreement (Speedy Graphito, Zevs, Beejoir and many more)...Not sure this would end well for artists in the end on a legal point of view... Anyway, this is an interesting subject. Use of logos and images is not a problem for artists. It's called "fair use". fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/ |
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H&M v. Revok, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 15, 2018 15:15:03 GMT 1, Given the number of (street) artists using famous brands in their works without their agreement (Speedy Graphito, Zevs, Beejoir and many more)...Not sure this would end well for artists in the end on a legal point of view... Anyway, this is an interesting subject. Use of logos and images is not a problem for artists. It's called "fair use". fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/
Given the number of (street) artists using famous brands in their works without their agreement (Speedy Graphito, Zevs, Beejoir and many more)...Not sure this would end well for artists in the end on a legal point of view... Anyway, this is an interesting subject. Use of logos and images is not a problem for artists. It's called "fair use". fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/Well I know about fair use. But I imagine brands could as well invoke fair use as well then (especially on a public space piece, moreover an illegal one) ? |
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H&M v. Revok, by Cookiemonster on Mar 15, 2018 15:16:46 GMT 1, Case apparantly has been withdrawn by H&M. No it was not, you did not read the full statement with incorrect spelling ;-)
Case apparantly has been withdrawn by H&M. No it was not, you did not read the full statement with incorrect spelling ;-) So this is a fake statement made by H&M? |
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H&M v. Revok, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 15, 2018 15:45:45 GMT 1, Now watch artists flock to add there inages to the storefronts.
Ha
Now watch artists flock to add there inages to the storefronts.
Ha
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H&M v. Revok, by Happy Shopper on Mar 15, 2018 15:57:33 GMT 1, Well I know about fair use. But I imagine brands could as well invoke fair use as well then (especially on a public space piece, moreover an illegal one) ?  )
Well I know about fair use. But I imagine brands could as well invoke fair use as well then (especially on a public space piece, moreover an illegal one) ? Fair Use doesn't count for creating a commercial product. Art isn't considered like a product for sale so gets away with it (although that's doubtful in this scene sometimes! ) |
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H&M v. Revok, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 15, 2018 20:16:22 GMT 1, Got to say the artists are being played... And it appears they are getting roped in...
Got to say the artists are being played... And it appears they are getting roped in...
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H&M v. Revok, by Aubrey 245 on Mar 15, 2018 20:22:12 GMT 1, H&M really thought as a 'thank you' for withdrawing the case, they will now get some beautiful Graffiti artwork on their shop fronts???
H&M really thought as a 'thank you' for withdrawing the case, they will now get some beautiful Graffiti artwork on their shop fronts???
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H&M v. Revok, by Con Art Studio on Mar 15, 2018 21:57:47 GMT 1, Apparently Revok started the spat by asking for payment, if he hadn't and just thought its all good publicity the court case wouldn't be happening.
using their logic, if someone illegally puts up the H&M logo on a wall, then H&M loses all copyright to that logo and anyone is then free to use it how they see fit.
Apparently Revok started the spat by asking for payment, if he hadn't and just thought its all good publicity the court case wouldn't be happening. revok asked them to stop using his art and they filed a countersuit saying ALL illegal street art is copyright free for them to use for anything... H&M started the war and they will lose. using their logic, if someone illegally puts up the H&M logo on a wall, then H&M loses all copyright to that logo and anyone is then free to use it how they see fit. |
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H&M v. Revok, by sakyamuni on Mar 15, 2018 21:58:46 GMT 1, H&M responded to HuffPostโs inquiry on Thursday afternoon by saying that it was withdrawing its legal complaint and that it never intended to โinfluence the debate on the legality of street art.โ
โH&M respects the creativity and uniqueness of artists, no matter the medium. We should have acted differently in our approach to this matter. It was never our intention to set a precedent concerning public art or to influence the debate on the legality of street art,โ the company said.
H&M said it was withdrawing the complaint filed in court and โcurrently reaching out directly to the artist in question to come up with a solution.โ
H&M responded to HuffPostโs inquiry on Thursday afternoon by saying that it was withdrawing its legal complaint and that it never intended to โinfluence the debate on the legality of street art.โ
โH&M respects the creativity and uniqueness of artists, no matter the medium. We should have acted differently in our approach to this matter. It was never our intention to set a precedent concerning public art or to influence the debate on the legality of street art,โ the company said.
H&M said it was withdrawing the complaint filed in court and โcurrently reaching out directly to the artist in question to come up with a solution.โ
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H&M v. Revok, by Con Art Studio on Mar 15, 2018 22:01:13 GMT 1, H&M responded to HuffPostโs inquiry on Thursday afternoon by saying that it was withdrawing its legal complaint and that it never intended to โinfluence the debate on the legality of street art.โ โH&M respects the creativity and uniqueness of artists, no matter the medium. We should have acted differently in our approach to this matter. It was never our intention to set a precedent concerning public art or to influence the debate on the legality of street art,โ the company said. H&M said it was withdrawing the complaint filed in court and โcurrently reaching out directly to the artist in question to come up with a solution.โ
H&M responded to HuffPostโs inquiry on Thursday afternoon by saying that it was withdrawing its legal complaint and that it never intended to โinfluence the debate on the legality of street art.โ โH&M respects the creativity and uniqueness of artists, no matter the medium. We should have acted differently in our approach to this matter. It was never our intention to set a precedent concerning public art or to influence the debate on the legality of street art,โ the company said. H&M said it was withdrawing the complaint filed in court and โcurrently reaching out directly to the artist in question to come up with a solution.โ pretty convenient after their stock dropped today. it's too late now. damage is done. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 15, 2018 22:49:03 GMT 1, Huge fan of street art but sorry artists righting the f word on their signs doesn't help your position.
Let me guess of someone uses a photo of you defacing their property you want some credit and to get paid too? Lol
Huge fan of street art but sorry artists righting the f word on their signs doesn't help your position.
Let me guess of someone uses a photo of you defacing their property you want some credit and to get paid too? Lol
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H&M v. Revok, by nobokov on Mar 15, 2018 23:08:33 GMT 1, On HMs feed
On HMs feed |
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H&M v. Revok, by shygetshigh83 on Mar 16, 2018 9:17:18 GMT 1, I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place? What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background?
I'm not an H&M fan, but I really really don't get it..
I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place? What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background? Agree 100% with your thoughts.. I'm not an H&M fan, but I really really don't get it.. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Fake on Mar 16, 2018 9:23:45 GMT 1, I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place? What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background? Agree 100% with your thoughts.. I'm not an H&M fan, but I really really don't get it..
And like I said before, H&M would not have used the same place to film etc if the graffiti was not there.
I don't get it. They aren't allowed to film in a public place? What's next an architect can sure if their building is in the background? A homeowner can sure if their landscaping is in the background? Agree 100% with your thoughts.. I'm not an H&M fan, but I really really don't get it.. No they cant. if they would use a modern building as a feature they would need permission from the architect. And like I said before, H&M would not have used the same place to film etc if the graffiti was not there. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Carl Cashman on Mar 16, 2018 9:23:58 GMT 1, Alls fine now, continue buying your ยฃ1 pants 
Alls fine now, continue buying your ยฃ1 pants |
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H&M v. Revok, by bustart on Mar 16, 2018 10:43:21 GMT 1, i have see the add and tought right away that this is a collaboration with revok, he must get payd good to work with thiss**t brand i sayd to myself. the statment of revok that the viewers get this feeling of a collaboration witch is not helping him is absolutly right and therefore he has to be payd.
this is not about "ohhh sorry we did not reconise the graffiti in the background" this was a act of lets make the shoot in front of this graffiti cause it looks cool. and this happens all the time , some weeks ago Mecedes had a photoshoot in a closed factory in germany. there is one graffiti in there (done with permission) and 1000000 empty walls, of cause they made the shooting in front of the graffiti. a good friend of me who is the artist heard about this and contacted mercedes to tell them that they cant make a add in front of his wall without pay him (he ask for 1500.- euros) mercedes did not really react on this and placed a add on insta of cause with his graffiti in the background. so he contact them again and the agancy who made the add told him the graffiti was just there by acident... instagram is not really advertisment and all thats**t... they offer him now 300.- euros....
i have see the add and tought right away that this is a collaboration with revok, he must get payd good to work with thiss**t brand i sayd to myself. the statment of revok that the viewers get this feeling of a collaboration witch is not helping him is absolutly right and therefore he has to be payd.
this is not about "ohhh sorry we did not reconise the graffiti in the background" this was a act of lets make the shoot in front of this graffiti cause it looks cool. and this happens all the time , some weeks ago Mecedes had a photoshoot in a closed factory in germany. there is one graffiti in there (done with permission) and 1000000 empty walls, of cause they made the shooting in front of the graffiti. a good friend of me who is the artist heard about this and contacted mercedes to tell them that they cant make a add in front of his wall without pay him (he ask for 1500.- euros) mercedes did not really react on this and placed a add on insta of cause with his graffiti in the background. so he contact them again and the agancy who made the add told him the graffiti was just there by acident... instagram is not really advertisment and all thats**t... they offer him now 300.- euros....
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H&M v. Revok, by Happy Shopper on Mar 16, 2018 11:00:32 GMT 1, i have see the add and tought right away that this is a collaboration with revok, he must get payd good to work with thiss**t brand i sayd to myself. the statment of revok that the viewers get this feeling of a collaboration witch is not helping him is absolutly right and therefore he has to be payd. this is not about "ohhh sorry we did not reconise the graffiti in the background" this was a act of lets make the shoot in front of this graffiti cause it looks cool. and this happens all the time , some weeks ago Mecedes had a photoshoot in a closed factory in germany. there is one graffiti in there (done with permission) and 1000000 empty walls, of cause they made the shooting in front of the graffiti. a good friend of me who is the artist heard about this and contacted mercedes to tell them that they cant make a add in front of his wall without pay him (he ask for 1500.- euros) mercedes did not really react on this and placed a add on insta of cause with his graffiti in the background. so he contact them again and the agancy who made the add told him the graffiti was just there by acident... instagram is not really advertisment and all thats**t... they offer him now 300.- euros....
Offering 300 is an admission that they know they're wrong. He should push for more, and point out this H&M issue.
i have see the add and tought right away that this is a collaboration with revok, he must get payd good to work with thiss**t brand i sayd to myself. the statment of revok that the viewers get this feeling of a collaboration witch is not helping him is absolutly right and therefore he has to be payd. this is not about "ohhh sorry we did not reconise the graffiti in the background" this was a act of lets make the shoot in front of this graffiti cause it looks cool. and this happens all the time , some weeks ago Mecedes had a photoshoot in a closed factory in germany. there is one graffiti in there (done with permission) and 1000000 empty walls, of cause they made the shooting in front of the graffiti. a good friend of me who is the artist heard about this and contacted mercedes to tell them that they cant make a add in front of his wall without pay him (he ask for 1500.- euros) mercedes did not really react on this and placed a add on insta of cause with his graffiti in the background. so he contact them again and the agancy who made the add told him the graffiti was just there by acident... instagram is not really advertisment and all thats**t... they offer him now 300.- euros.... Offering 300 is an admission that they know they're wrong. He should push for more, and point out this H&M issue. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Karl Read on Mar 16, 2018 11:06:15 GMT 1, Alls fine now, continue buying your ยฃ1 pants
You should see the factories that make for high volume cheap product, they don't look like this but yeah, get your point.
Alls fine now, continue buying your ยฃ1 pants You know thats the kind of factory/enviroment that will make high end/expensive items as well right? You should see the factories that make for high volume cheap product, they don't look like this but yeah, get your point. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Carl Cashman on Mar 16, 2018 11:17:57 GMT 1,
Alls fine now, continue buying your ยฃ1 pants You know thats the kind of factory/enviroment that will make high end/expensive items as well right? You should see the factories that make for high volume cheap product, they don't look like this but yeah, get your point.
Yer no doubt, this one doesnt have the netting preventing people committing suicide due to the working conditions.
Alls fine now, continue buying your ยฃ1 pants You know thats the kind of factory/enviroment that will make high end/expensive items as well right? You should see the factories that make for high volume cheap product, they don't look like this but yeah, get your point. Yer no doubt, this one doesnt have the netting preventing people committing suicide due to the working conditions. |
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H&M v. Revok, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 16, 2018 11:37:21 GMT 1, Agree 100% with your thoughts.. I'm not an H&M fan, but I really really don't get it.. No they cant. if they would use a modern building as a feature they would need permission from the architect.ย And like I said before, H&M would not have used the same place to film etc if the graffiti was not there.ย
Can you share an example of where this happened or where there was a dispute?
Agree 100% with your thoughts.. I'm not an H&M fan, but I really really don't get it.. No they cant. if they would use a modern building as a feature they would need permission from the architect.ย And like I said before, H&M would not have used the same place to film etc if the graffiti was not there.ย Can you share an example of where this happened or where there was a dispute? |
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