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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 7, 2016 14:28:58 GMT 1, I've just watched it and cried mine out too!!
I've just watched it and cried mine out too!!
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Lroy on Feb 7, 2016 15:48:17 GMT 1, I've just watched it and cried mine out too!!
I am very pleased and happy to have made, on this forum, a member happy, and to have posted for the fist time an interesting and discovering thing!
Thanks Pistol you made my ( grey ) Sunday..
I've just watched it and cried mine out too!! I am very pleased and happy to have made, on this forum, a member happy, and to have posted for the fist time an interesting and discovering thing! Thanks Pistol you made my ( grey ) Sunday.. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Rouen Cathedral on Feb 8, 2016 3:25:08 GMT 1, If this is your view I hate to say you are in the wrong world. Art isn't for everyone. Yes some of banksys stuff is over hyped drivel with a lot better stuff from less known artists out there. But to say gwb is a 'fairy basic image' and not worth its place in the art world is foolish. You would pay 5 pounds for the simple image so I'm assuming you won't pay more then 10 for the 'more skillful & interesting' works you see all the time right? I know ... sometimes I feel like my mum, "I just don't get this modern art stuff" she'd say but then again, I do GET lots of art, just maybe don't GET the 'market'. (Sorry to the OP by the way, but if I thought my comments would in any way put off the buyers, I'd make them elsewhere, but I think we're in different worlds, so no probs?) Here's an image that, for me, says nothing ... a girl loses her heart to the breeze, thats not exactly original ... , that I could recreate in one hour or less (I know, I know, it'd just be a copy), that there are 750 exact same copies of, 150 of them signed, so not in any way unique. And, on secondary market, you are not even giving money to the artist so that they can create more art that you love. So, what's left? For me, the only value that I see in it is the investment value. If that is what art is to you, so be it. To me art should speak to my heart, expand my world, start conversation. If I buy a piece of art, of course I hope that it will retain its value, maybe get to be worth more, but really I hope that so I don't get accused of throwing the family's money down the drain, to justify myself to those that say we could have spent that money on a meal out, or a holiday, or on the car, or whatever. So, whether this is worth 15k, 20k, 60k or 80k in the art-market is of no consequence to me. Give me a cheapo WCP any day of the week (but please make it a Rude Copper not this one) I regret that the free & easy world of graffiti & street art has been dragged into this s**t ... remember when it was for fun? for kicks? exciting? when we spoke to each other in paint, not pounds? I go back to my original question (one that I think Banksy understands, given his New York park art stall the other year) ... if you saw this on a market stall, would you stop? If so, what would you expect to see it priced at?
Seems like someone is bitter they didn't think of doing this image years ago?
It's nothing huge that this mainly sells for a lot of money because it has the name Banksy on it? But hey same could be said about that portrait of a women who's creepy eyes follow me no? That's the art world deal!
If this is your view I hate to say you are in the wrong world. Art isn't for everyone. Yes some of banksys stuff is over hyped drivel with a lot better stuff from less known artists out there. But to say gwb is a 'fairy basic image' and not worth its place in the art world is foolish. You would pay 5 pounds for the simple image so I'm assuming you won't pay more then 10 for the 'more skillful & interesting' works you see all the time right? I know ... sometimes I feel like my mum, "I just don't get this modern art stuff" she'd say but then again, I do GET lots of art, just maybe don't GET the 'market'. (Sorry to the OP by the way, but if I thought my comments would in any way put off the buyers, I'd make them elsewhere, but I think we're in different worlds, so no probs?) Here's an image that, for me, says nothing ... a girl loses her heart to the breeze, thats not exactly original ... , that I could recreate in one hour or less (I know, I know, it'd just be a copy), that there are 750 exact same copies of, 150 of them signed, so not in any way unique. And, on secondary market, you are not even giving money to the artist so that they can create more art that you love. So, what's left? For me, the only value that I see in it is the investment value. If that is what art is to you, so be it. To me art should speak to my heart, expand my world, start conversation. If I buy a piece of art, of course I hope that it will retain its value, maybe get to be worth more, but really I hope that so I don't get accused of throwing the family's money down the drain, to justify myself to those that say we could have spent that money on a meal out, or a holiday, or on the car, or whatever. So, whether this is worth 15k, 20k, 60k or 80k in the art-market is of no consequence to me. Give me a cheapo WCP any day of the week (but please make it a Rude Copper not this one) I regret that the free & easy world of graffiti & street art has been dragged into this s**t ... remember when it was for fun? for kicks? exciting? when we spoke to each other in paint, not pounds? I go back to my original question (one that I think Banksy understands, given his New York park art stall the other year) ... if you saw this on a market stall, would you stop? If so, what would you expect to see it priced at? Seems like someone is bitter they didn't think of doing this image years ago? It's nothing huge that this mainly sells for a lot of money because it has the name Banksy on it? But hey same could be said about that portrait of a women who's creepy eyes follow me no? That's the art world deal! |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by snoozy on Feb 8, 2016 9:21:50 GMT 1, That's the sign of a good art piece 'when the eyes follow you 'round the room'
That's the sign of a good art piece 'when the eyes follow you 'round the room'
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 11:40:00 GMT 1, What date do the coa's say these prints were produced? Just out of interest really!! Are they credited to 2014/15 or 2004?
What date do the coa's say these prints were produced? Just out of interest really!! Are they credited to 2014/15 or 2004?
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Hubble Bubble on Feb 12, 2016 11:44:25 GMT 1, Surely not 2004?
There were a couple of red A/P's done in 2005 I think (and sold that year)
But the new ones would surely be the year they were signed and offered.
EDIT -- sorryโฆ I assume you're talking about the recent silver/gold?
Surely not 2004?
There were a couple of red A/P's done in 2005 I think (and sold that year)
But the new ones would surely be the year they were signed and offered.
EDIT -- sorryโฆ I assume you're talking about the recent silver/gold?
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 11:46:22 GMT 1, I am indeed purple pink gold etc....
I am indeed purple pink gold etc....
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2016 11:54:32 GMT 1, From what I was told you aren't supposed to sell them for five years. So that'd be 2020. Perhaps the Dumbo prints are dated 2019? Correct me if I'm wrong. They are being shopped around at the moment.
From what I was told you aren't supposed to sell them for five years. So that'd be 2020. Perhaps the Dumbo prints are dated 2019? Correct me if I'm wrong. They are being shopped around at the moment.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by stillborncrisps on Feb 12, 2016 12:33:34 GMT 1, I don't understand how Pest Control future dating COAs realy stops someone determined to resell/buy?
A COA from Pest Control is a COA from Pest Control, no matter what date is on it. The COA's very presence is the thing that gives the piece legitimacy, not the date on it?
I don't understand how Pest Control future dating COAs realy stops someone determined to resell/buy?
A COA from Pest Control is a COA from Pest Control, no matter what date is on it. The COA's very presence is the thing that gives the piece legitimacy, not the date on it?
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Dr Plip on Feb 12, 2016 12:38:00 GMT 1, I don't understand how Pest Control future dating COAs realy stops someone determined to resell/buy? A COA from Pest Control is a COA from Pest Control, no matter what date is on it. The COA's very presence is the thing that gives the piece legitimacy, not the date on it?
I don't understand how Pest Control future dating COAs realy stops someone determined to resell/buy? A COA from Pest Control is a COA from Pest Control, no matter what date is on it. The COA's very presence is the thing that gives the piece legitimacy, not the date on it? Perhaps if you try to register a change of ownership with PC before that date, things might get amusing. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by brookvale on Feb 12, 2016 12:51:38 GMT 1, I've seen a pink version, with no signature and not numbered, I've also seen a red one, with no signature and not numbered but with a black Banksy stamp.
I've seen a pink version, with no signature and not numbered, I've also seen a red one, with no signature and not numbered but with a black Banksy stamp.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by 11 on Feb 12, 2016 13:04:32 GMT 1, To my knowledge no Silver....unless there's been another release #whoknows
To my knowledge no Silver....unless there's been another release #whoknows
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 13:13:58 GMT 1, Coa's aren't post dated.
Coa's aren't post dated.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 13:27:00 GMT 1, Sorry I have just realised this is on the wrong thread, my bad!
Sorry I have just realised this is on the wrong thread, my bad!
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 12, 2016 13:31:58 GMT 1, Are artist proofs supposed to be produced at the same time as the regular edition run?
If produced 10 years after the original edition , is that not bad play ? Or even a few months after an edition has sold out.
All artists can extend editions if a print is popular by labelling as an ap?
If it was any other artist doing this , the discussion would be different .
Sometimes you buy at the time as the limited edition appeals
Are artist proofs supposed to be produced at the same time as the regular edition run?
If produced 10 years after the original edition , is that not bad play ? Or even a few months after an edition has sold out.
All artists can extend editions if a print is popular by labelling as an ap?
If it was any other artist doing this , the discussion would be different .
Sometimes you buy at the time as the limited edition appeals
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Dexter Bulldog on Feb 12, 2016 13:47:06 GMT 1, Someone please pm me in 4.5-5 years. Discretion assured.
Someone please pm me in 4.5-5 years. Discretion assured.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Ruggs on Feb 12, 2016 14:13:04 GMT 1, My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong.
My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by 11 on Feb 12, 2016 14:15:07 GMT 1, Yhat aligns pretty much with my understanding - started being offered in April'15
Edit : I think it's light pink and dark pink (not red)
Yhat aligns pretty much with my understanding - started being offered in April'15
Edit : I think it's light pink and dark pink (not red)
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 14:33:06 GMT 1, My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong.
The gold was issued way before Dismaland. I know that for a fact.....
My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong. The gold was issued way before Dismaland. I know that for a fact..... |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 14:42:45 GMT 1, Yup I'm with 11 on that around April last year!
Yup I'm with 11 on that around April last year!
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Hubble Bubble on Feb 12, 2016 14:47:20 GMT 1, My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong.
ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. Fair play!
Keep it Real, indeed.
My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong. ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by toshspice on Feb 12, 2016 14:57:13 GMT 1, Are artist proofs supposed to be produced at the same time as the regular edition run? If produced 10 years after the original edition , is that not bad play ? Or even a few months after an edition has sold out. All artists can extend editions if a print is popular by labelling as an ap? If it was any other artist doing this , the discussion would be different .
Are artist proofs supposed to be produced at the same time as the regular edition run? If produced 10 years after the original edition , is that not bad play ? Or even a few months after an edition has sold out. All artists can extend editions if a print is popular by labelling as an ap? If it was any other artist doing this , the discussion would be different . Happens all the time in the artworld. There's a famous story about a world-renowned artist who, on hearing a collector wanted to buy one of his sculptures for several million dollars long after the edition had sold out, popped another one out, declared it an AP and sold it at secondary market value. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by kel on Feb 12, 2016 14:59:16 GMT 1, My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong. ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed.
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong. ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed.
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Coach on Feb 12, 2016 15:03:52 GMT 1, ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. ย Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed.
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
You might. Or, you might think that Dismalland was a lot of fun for an awful lot of us, for next to nothing.
ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. ย Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed.
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
You might. Or, you might think that Dismalland was a lot of fun for an awful lot of us, for next to nothing. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 15:13:34 GMT 1, I have just found out the coa's are dated 2004
Laughable really.
I have just found out the coa's are dated 2004
Laughable really.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by kel on Feb 12, 2016 15:18:37 GMT 1,
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
You might. Or, you might think that Dismalland was a lot of fun for an awful lot of us, for next to nothing.
Coach I have no doubt there was some extremely hi costs involved in the putting together and running of Dismaland and that has to be recouped somewhere.
Also I agree that there was an opportunity given to us all for a Banksy curated show for next to nothing how ever that isn't my point.
My point is with regards the release of work which now seems to be a closed shop. I stand to be corrected but the last readily made available work to the public was CYW which was over 5 years ago. Evidently the business model has changed.
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
You might. Or, you might think that Dismalland was a lot of fun for an awful lot of us, for next to nothing.
Coach I have no doubt there was some extremely hi costs involved in the putting together and running of Dismaland and that has to be recouped somewhere.
Also I agree that there was an opportunity given to us all for a Banksy curated show for next to nothing how ever that isn't my point.
My point is with regards the release of work which now seems to be a closed shop. I stand to be corrected but the last readily made available work to the public was CYW which was over 5 years ago. Evidently the business model has changed.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 15:19:19 GMT 1, My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong. ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. ย Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed.
That's just gwb, what about any others they may have done ;-)
My understanding is gold, pink, purple and red artist's proofs were produced each as an edition of 22, so, 88 in all, priced at ยฃ35k + VAT, all included COA's. I think they were printed and available before and during the Dismaland show to VIP's only. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong. ยฃ3,080,000 from a 88 run print drop. ย Fair play! Keep it Real, indeed. That's just gwb, what about any others they may have done ;-) |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by bone on Feb 12, 2016 15:20:52 GMT 1, Are artist proofs supposed to be produced at the same time as the regular edition run? If produced 10 years after the original edition , is that not bad play ? Or even a few months after an edition has sold out. All artists can extend editions if a print is popular by labelling as an ap? If it was any other artist doing this , the discussion would be different .
Are artist proofs supposed to be produced at the same time as the regular edition run? If produced 10 years after the original edition , is that not bad play ? Or even a few months after an edition has sold out. All artists can extend editions if a print is popular by labelling as an ap? If it was any other artist doing this , the discussion would be different . I would love any of the GWB AP's, but I feel if it were a different artist people would see things like this differently. I'm guessing we would here the same old comments, "cash grab" "greed", etc. I don't think that is the case, but defiantly think he is treated differently, probably deservedly |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 15:26:08 GMT 1, Art is there to provoke a reaction so in that respect Banksy and Pow succeed 100%
Art is there to provoke a reaction so in that respect Banksy and Pow succeed 100%
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 12, 2016 15:29:53 GMT 1,
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
I like to think of it as a transference of wealth. If, in these times of widespread hardship,ย some people are willing to spend ยฃ35,000 on a piece of paper to decorate their hallway with, then they probably shouldn't be in charge of that kind of money. Best that someone else has it.
And it is insane. But that's art. And life. And life is art. Or something like that.
ยฃ42k inc vat
That is insane when you look at it that way. I remember when getting a Banksy print was a good old bun fight or via the lottery (which was the only time I was lucky) .At those prices and the fact it is all selected customers you start to look at Banksy in a whole different light.
Anyway sorry to detract from the thread.
I like to think of it as a transference of wealth. If, in these times of widespread hardship,ย some people are willing to spend ยฃ35,000 on a piece of paper to decorate their hallway with, then they probably shouldn't be in charge of that kind of money. Best that someone else has it.
And it is insane. But that's art. And life. And life is art. Or something like that.
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