Providence is so hard to come by these days...[/quote]

Providence is easily accessible by plane, trains and automobiles (and even buses). The local airport is called TF Green, which is serviced by American, United, SouthWest, Delta, Northwest, and more. From the airport, you can take a shuttle, taxi, or bus into downtown
As for taking the bus, Bonanza Bus offers regular service into Providence from Boston and New York City. If you are flying into Logan Airport in Boston, you can also take Bonanza Bus from there to get to Providence.

even though taking the Bonanza Bus does sound like lots of fun

Maybe i should have used the word provenance instead, either way you knew what i ment when you thought you were winning the point.

Providence is easily accessible by plane, trains and automobiles (and even buses). The local airport is called TF Green, which is serviced by American, United, SouthWest, Delta, Northwest, and more. From the airport, you can take a shuttle, taxi, or bus into downtown
As for taking the bus, Bonanza Bus offers regular service into Providence from Boston and New York City. If you are flying into Logan Airport in Boston, you can also take Bonanza Bus from there to get to Providence.
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Haaaa! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Great Stuff PunkDaisy

Foundation the point isn't about investing in them. Someone stated that they had a print that wasn't numbered and was wondering if, because it didn't have a number it was genuine. I explained that the lack of a number didn't prevent a print from being genuine. It then progressed to people claiming that an un-numbered prints were not genuine and worthless. Which again is in correct, there were claims that a print needed a c.o.a to be genuine, which again is stupid, there are thousands of fake items sold on ebay everyday with 'genuine' c.o.a.'s. If POW were to issue c.o.a's with each print there would be nothing to stop anyone from taking the c.o.a from a genuine print and selling it with a fake one. It doesn't then make the fake print a genuine one because it comes with a genuine pow c.o.a. And likewise a genuine print doesn't become a fake one because it doesn't have a number or a c.o.a. If you are buying Banksy's for investment then it is unlikely that anyone would invest in a un-numbered un-signed print unless of course it was a one off colour variation or trial variation. However if you just want a genuine Banksy on your wall without any thoughts to value or investment, then there is no reason not to buy a print just because it doesn't have a number. The lack of a number does not in itself render the print fake or indeed worthless.

Oh yeah, but if a back door Rude Copper or Queen Vic came up on ebay with no number for £100 I would snap it up ;D
I like the picture and it would stay framed on my wall for the rest of my life, so I would not need to worry about the resale price ;D

Yeah, I agree they are only worth a fiver each ;D Contact me or Stencilope if you have any to sell

Foundation.
I think you have missed the whole point of the discussion.

Jesus foundation, its like banging my head against the wall. Where on earth did you get that from. At the start I advised someone that just because their print doesn't have a number it does not necessarily mean that it is not genuine. If you deduce from this that I do not mind knowing how genuine my prints are then so be it.

As i said before, agree to disagree, the fact that a print is totally unverifiable makes it a fake in my book but not yours, thats just a different opinion. I am not talking about your signed but unnumbered ones that someone mentioned you had, but fully blank prints taken from printers etc... such as the green WSM that float about from time to time. I like the assurance of numbers / verification.

Numusic, i dont think you are allowed to say that, i have been saying it for 2 days, but people say that these knockoffs are fine, so we must be wrong.

You would think so, i did til yesterday.

Just because a print isn't signed or numbered doesn't make it a fake, a fake would be a print NOT printed by Pictures On Walls and with a forged signature and a duplicate number added. Like somebody mentioned earlier why fake a print and then not sign or number it? An authentic un-numbered or un-signed print from Pictures On Walls is not worthless, it's simply not worth as much as the official print run, it is in fact worth whatever somebody is willing to pay!

With regards to provenance you're all getting a bit ahead of yourselves, seems as if you've bought a couple of prints (Foundation) and are now art dealers. If people who buy and sell things for a living (art dealers, antique dealers, etc, etc) always relied on an item coming with written authentication then very little business would ever get done. In the second-hand market of any trade a lot of business is done on the persons own knowledge of a particular subject and very often gut instinct!

I think you should all agree to disagree on this one and remember that just because you (Foundation) wouldn't buy anything without a 'hand written letter to you from Banksy', a lot of other people, especially traders, would!

Punk i am and have been talking about back door prints, as i thought you were, each time a new example of random printing comes up, yellow J&Js, APs, signed unnumbered gifts from the artist etc etc etc......... They all have their place. I see your point about banging my head against a brick wall.