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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 15:50:10 GMT 1, No its not that. Many people applied and weren't successful as you can see from this thread. The people that are taking advantage of the demand are selling them at an inflated price, with the risk that comes with. For someone to change their mind and sell to you at cost defies logic. The fact alone that you may decide to sell in the future and jeopardise any future dealings with Heni is reason enough for no-one to take up your offer. IMO. Thanks, blerd much appreciate your comment. I guess nothing else left then eBay For me 
No its not that. Many people applied and weren't successful as you can see from this thread. The people that are taking advantage of the demand are selling them at an inflated price, with the risk that comes with. For someone to change their mind and sell to you at cost defies logic. The fact alone that you may decide to sell in the future and jeopardise any future dealings with Heni is reason enough for no-one to take up your offer. IMO. Thanks, blerd much appreciate your comment. I guess nothing else left then eBay For me If you are serious about buying from a flipper on e-bay, I would suggest you leave it for a while. There's always a bit of a buzz following new releases. if they turn up on ebay 6 months from now, I suspect they will probably be cheaper. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Street Art Degree on Sept 15, 2018 15:55:21 GMT 1, Thanks, blerd much appreciate your comment. I guess nothing else left then eBay For me If you are serious about buying from a flipper on e-bay, I would suggest you leave it for a while. There's always a bit of a buzz following new releases. if they turn up on ebay 6 months from now, I suspect they will probably be cheaper.
I think you right, once they will be delivered there will be plenty more on the bay which means they will go next to release price.
Thanks,
Thanks, blerd much appreciate your comment. I guess nothing else left then eBay For me If you are serious about buying from a flipper on e-bay, I would suggest you leave it for a while. There's always a bit of a buzz following new releases. if they turn up on ebay 6 months from now, I suspect they will probably be cheaper. I think you right, once they will be delivered there will be plenty more on the bay which means they will go next to release price. Thanks, |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 19:28:51 GMT 1, I agree with markiemark... better to wait it out as for sure the print will pop up again. Not worth overpaying
I agree with markiemark... better to wait it out as for sure the print will pop up again. Not worth overpaying
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 15, 2018 22:06:31 GMT 1, If you are serious about buying from a flipper on e-bay, I would suggest you leave it for a while. There's always a bit of a buzz following new releases. if they turn up on ebay 6 months from now, I suspect they will probably be cheaper. I think you right, once they will be delivered there will be plenty more on the bay which means they will go next to release price. Thanks,
How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ?
If you are serious about buying from a flipper on e-bay, I would suggest you leave it for a while. There's always a bit of a buzz following new releases. if they turn up on ebay 6 months from now, I suspect they will probably be cheaper. I think you right, once they will be delivered there will be plenty more on the bay which means they will go next to release price. Thanks, How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by touchdowntodd on Sept 15, 2018 22:25:53 GMT 1, I think you right, once they will be delivered there will be plenty more on the bay which means they will go next to release price. Thanks, How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ?
How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5
While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance..
These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho.
One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive
I think you right, once they will be delivered there will be plenty more on the bay which means they will go next to release price. Thanks, How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 23:03:26 GMT 1, You make some really valid points touchdowntodd. Might be a blessing to be passed over and not offered a print, especially if these start flooding the market.
One has to wonder why they are so inexpensive compared to his usual print prices?
Perhaps because he is going in a different style? But no one knows for sure.
You make some really valid points touchdowntodd. Might be a blessing to be passed over and not offered a print, especially if these start flooding the market.
One has to wonder why they are so inexpensive compared to his usual print prices?
Perhaps because he is going in a different style? But no one knows for sure.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 15, 2018 23:04:27 GMT 1, How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive
People pass for varying reasons as we all know. However both Serpentine and Tate were certainly not short of willing customers to fill the void. It all takes time so a month is no time whatsoever to flush out the passers from the buyers.
Transportation of these shouldn’t be a problem. One good thing about Heni is the quality of their shipping. I’ll agree that shipping costs tend to be on the high end due to crate weight and size but when you’re spending £3-5k on a piece an extra few quid for said shipping isn’t really a deal breaker in my opinion?
How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive People pass for varying reasons as we all know. However both Serpentine and Tate were certainly not short of willing customers to fill the void. It all takes time so a month is no time whatsoever to flush out the passers from the buyers. Transportation of these shouldn’t be a problem. One good thing about Heni is the quality of their shipping. I’ll agree that shipping costs tend to be on the high end due to crate weight and size but when you’re spending £3-5k on a piece an extra few quid for said shipping isn’t really a deal breaker in my opinion? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 23:07:26 GMT 1, But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members...
But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members...
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 15, 2018 23:10:24 GMT 1, You make some really valid points touchdowntodd. Might be a blessing to be passed over and not offered a print, especially if these start flooding the market. One has to wonder why they are so inexpensive compared to his usual print prices? Perhaps because he is going in a different style? But no one knows for sure.
Keep the faith You’ve been a strong advocate for these Hirsts and now you’re left out of the loop and you read 1 slightly negative post you’re whole perspective changes?
Like what you like, buy what you want to buy and pay what you can pay...
You make some really valid points touchdowntodd. Might be a blessing to be passed over and not offered a print, especially if these start flooding the market. One has to wonder why they are so inexpensive compared to his usual print prices? Perhaps because he is going in a different style? But no one knows for sure. Keep the faith You’ve been a strong advocate for these Hirsts and now you’re left out of the loop and you read 1 slightly negative post you’re whole perspective changes? Like what you like, buy what you want to buy and pay what you can pay... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Sept 15, 2018 23:14:31 GMT 1, I will assume that the Hirst owners that formed the opinion of doctor's office saw the Henis in real life. Is that correct?
I think the reason folks were being offered a month or so after for H4 was because of sales being managed by one person and their part time assistant.
Tate had a whole team.
The following artists use diasec in their practice. I purposely left out Richter.
Gregory Crewdson, Thomas Demand, Elger Esser, Nan Goldin, Andreas Gursky, Candida Hoffer, David LaChappelle, Marilyn Minter, Shirin Neshat, Thomas Ruff, Cindy Sherman, Thomas Struth, Jeff Wall, Massimo Vitali...
Just treat them like any paper based print, handle with care and don't leave them in the sunlight.
How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive
I will assume that the Hirst owners that formed the opinion of doctor's office saw the Henis in real life. Is that correct? I think the reason folks were being offered a month or so after for H4 was because of sales being managed by one person and their part time assistant. Tate had a whole team. The following artists use diasec in their practice. I purposely left out Richter. Gregory Crewdson, Thomas Demand, Elger Esser, Nan Goldin, Andreas Gursky, Candida Hoffer, David LaChappelle, Marilyn Minter, Shirin Neshat, Thomas Ruff, Cindy Sherman, Thomas Struth, Jeff Wall, Massimo Vitali... Just treat them like any paper based print, handle with care and don't leave them in the sunlight. How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 23:15:43 GMT 1, true... I do like the prints, just commenting that Touchdowntodd has some good points.
in the end I agree with you and as you say it should really come down to "Like what you like, buy what you want to buy and pay what you can pay..."
well said
true... I do like the prints, just commenting that Touchdowntodd has some good points. in the end I agree with you and as you say it should really come down to "Like what you like, buy what you want to buy and pay what you can pay..." well said |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Sept 15, 2018 23:17:31 GMT 1, Plus membership and shipping.
But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members...
Plus membership and shipping. But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 23:23:00 GMT 1, Plus membership and shipping. But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members...
Plus membership and shipping. But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members... Ah yes.... packing , crating and shipping |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 15, 2018 23:33:06 GMT 1, But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members...
We were obviously talking secondary market as Heni organise the initial shipping .....
But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members... We were obviously talking secondary market as Heni organise the initial shipping ..... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 15, 2018 23:33:19 GMT 1, But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members...
We were obviously talking secondary market as Heni organise the initial shipping .....
But they are not 5k a piece? Tate edition is 3k less 10% discount for members... We were obviously talking secondary market as Heni organise the initial shipping ..... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 16, 2018 0:51:59 GMT 1, righto!
righto!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by J0NNY on Sept 16, 2018 0:57:16 GMT 1, Does Heni ship these editions or are they passed onto Tate/Serpentine to deal with the shipping?
Does Heni ship these editions or are they passed onto Tate/Serpentine to deal with the shipping?
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by The Italian One on Sept 16, 2018 8:38:08 GMT 1,
it all depends if Hirst will release other diasec print in the near future.
if he won't, you'll see your h4/h5 increase sensible value in 1-2 years time.
but i doubt it...
How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive
it all depends if Hirst will release other diasec print in the near future. if he won't, you'll see your h4/h5 increase sensible value in 1-2 years time. but i doubt it... How many highly desirable Hirsts have you found on eBay after general release for next to retail price ? NONE is the answer !!! Why would an edition of 100 900x900mm spot prints be any different ? How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by cnrdvln on Sept 16, 2018 12:10:06 GMT 1, it all depends if Hirst will release other diasec print in the near future. if he won't, you'll see your h4/h5 increase sensible value in 1-2 years time. but i doubt it... How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive
He seems to be working on more veil style works, but that video could have been taken a while back and posted later. I don't see any new works or exhibits this year, he's having a laugh in Africa or somewhere similar...
it all depends if Hirst will release other diasec print in the near future. if he won't, you'll see your h4/h5 increase sensible value in 1-2 years time. but i doubt it... How many other times has Hirst dropped 1100 prints in 2 weeks, and had some buyers pass at retail or less (with Tate discount).. some passed on h4 and h5 While I like looking at diasec works, do some research on the flaws and life span of the medium. Not every one is turned on by it. And even further a lot of people I know that own Hirst and much better work feel it's very "doctor's office" like in appearance.. These will be available on secondary (and I'd bet still a few available from source from unpaid, h4 was nearly a month of people still getting chances on less than half the total prints)... Not saying retail, but these won't be super high end imho. One thing to consider tho, is transport of a large semi delicate basically bonded piece.. can be tricky and expensive He seems to be working on more veil style works, but that video could have been taken a while back and posted later. I don't see any new works or exhibits this year, he's having a laugh in Africa or somewhere similar... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 16, 2018 12:18:39 GMT 1, Hirst has made a fortune, and deservedly so... as such he can do as he pleases, but he does employ production staff so one would expect more works to continue to be released.
Hirst has made a fortune, and deservedly so... as such he can do as he pleases, but he does employ production staff so one would expect more works to continue to be released.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 16, 2018 12:18:49 GMT 1, Note that the works behind the H5 are meant to be a closed series.
While instead the traditional spot paintings are meant to be an open series (a beautiful round one seems to be in the making actually - and my bet for a future release).
He has made no statements about the works behind the H4 (as far as I know), so could possibly be an open series.
Note that the works behind the H5 are meant to be a closed series.
While instead the traditional spot paintings are meant to be an open series (a beautiful round one seems to be in the making actually - and my bet for a future release).
He has made no statements about the works behind the H4 (as far as I know), so could possibly be an open series.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 16, 2018 12:33:26 GMT 1, Note that the works behind the H5 are meant to be a closed series. While instead the traditional spot paintings are meant to be an open series (a beautiful round one seems to be in the making actually - and my bet for a future release). He has made no statements about the works behind the H4 (as far as I know), so could possibly be an open series.
Note that the works behind the H5 are meant to be a closed series. While instead the traditional spot paintings are meant to be an open series (a beautiful round one seems to be in the making actually - and my bet for a future release). He has made no statements about the works behind the H4 (as far as I know), so could possibly be an open series. very true... could be the start of a series that he wishes to pursue... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:09:07 GMT 1, boi you just spoilt my buys.
boi you just spoilt my buys.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Sept 17, 2018 15:19:22 GMT 1, It’s a great piece, but it won’t be cheap. Remember there is 25% BP, artist resale rights, shipping etc. At 6-7k you could probably pick up a nicer piece at gallery. Also, if I remember correctly these retailed at something like 6-7k so, I think the going rate of these is going to be higher.
Weng (which I believe is expensive) has just the key priced at $5k.
It’s a great piece, but it won’t be cheap. Remember there is 25% BP, artist resale rights, shipping etc. At 6-7k you could probably pick up a nicer piece at gallery. Also, if I remember correctly these retailed at something like 6-7k so, I think the going rate of these is going to be higher.
Weng (which I believe is expensive) has just the key priced at $5k.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by trapnel1 on Sept 17, 2018 15:39:03 GMT 1, It’s a great piece, but it won’t be cheap. Remember there is 25% BP, artist resale rights, shipping etc. At 6-7k you could probably pick up a nicer piece at gallery. Also, if I remember correctly these retailed at something like 6-7k so, I think the going rate of these is going to be higher. Weng (which I believe is expensive) has just the key priced at $5k.
These originally retailed at £5250 for the pair......
It’s a great piece, but it won’t be cheap. Remember there is 25% BP, artist resale rights, shipping etc. At 6-7k you could probably pick up a nicer piece at gallery. Also, if I remember correctly these retailed at something like 6-7k so, I think the going rate of these is going to be higher. Weng (which I believe is expensive) has just the key priced at $5k.
These originally retailed at £5250 for the pair......
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 17, 2018 15:42:58 GMT 1, Gotta love an estimate ? Nothing like wetting one’s appetite before having the rug pulled from underneath you whilst you’re standing there holding nothing more substantial than a limp paddle !!!
Gotta love an estimate ? Nothing like wetting one’s appetite before having the rug pulled from underneath you whilst you’re standing there holding nothing more substantial than a limp paddle !!!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Sept 17, 2018 15:43:09 GMT 1, It’s a great piece, but it won’t be cheap. Remember there is 25% BP, artist resale rights, shipping etc. At 6-7k you could probably pick up a nicer piece at gallery. Also, if I remember correctly these retailed at something like 6-7k so, I think the going rate of these is going to be higher. Weng (which I believe is expensive) has just the key priced at $5k.
These originally retailed at £5250 for the pair......
Ah, got that wrong. Thanks for letting me know. But either way, above the high estimate.
It’s a great piece, but it won’t be cheap. Remember there is 25% BP, artist resale rights, shipping etc. At 6-7k you could probably pick up a nicer piece at gallery. Also, if I remember correctly these retailed at something like 6-7k so, I think the going rate of these is going to be higher. Weng (which I believe is expensive) has just the key priced at $5k.
These originally retailed at £5250 for the pair......
Ah, got that wrong. Thanks for letting me know. But either way, above the high estimate. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Sept 17, 2018 15:44:54 GMT 1, Gotta love an estimate ? Nothing like wetting one’s appetite before having the rug pulled from underneath you whilst you’re standing there holding nothing more substantial than a limp paddle !!!
Hirst has got a fix for that 😉
Gotta love an estimate ? Nothing like wetting one’s appetite before having the rug pulled from underneath you whilst you’re standing there holding nothing more substantial than a limp paddle !!! Hirst has got a fix for that 😉 |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by ARN on Sept 18, 2018 17:26:05 GMT 1, anyone have any luck on a 2nd run yet? Nothing for me, although I'm pretty sure my application just disappeared deep into the mix somewhere - was no point in getting it done early!
anyone have any luck on a 2nd run yet? Nothing for me, although I'm pretty sure my application just disappeared deep into the mix somewhere - was no point in getting it done early!
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